Stay-N-Charge Chat 11/12/03

Chatman - Ladies and Gentlemen, a warm Walleye Central welcome for Jim Payne of Stay N Charge!
Chatman - Clap, clap, clap, clap!!
ETT - Welcome.
Jim Payne - Thanks for having me and I am ready to talk STAYNCHARGE!
Chatman - Well, how about a basic run down (no pun) of how the system works Jim?
Jim Payne - Well, for the last ten years, I have been putting units into guys I knew and their friends. About three years ago I had so many guys wanting the units, I went out and found that no one had a patent on it. The original harnesses were made for the guy that had to take the battery out of the boat and put it in the garage to charge it. I have used the power from tow vehicles for a long time and we have just made it better every year.
perchjerker - Is there an isolator in the system?
Jim Payne - Not on the original because it is not really needed.
Chatman - Is there an issue with Gel Batteries, or is the system good on all types of batteries we use?
perchjerker - So how are the batteries separated electrically?
ETT - How long does it typically take the vehicle to charge a 60% discharged deep-cycle battery?
Chatman - Woa, lets give him a second...LOL!!
Jim Payne - An isolator is not needed because the batteries will even each other out and we put out 1300 units this year and a lot of gel cells, with no problems yet.
Jim Payne - For each battery, from dead to full, is less then 25 minutes charge time. I guarantee it, with a money back guarantee.
perchjerker - I see, that's interesting.
George - Doesn't that quick of a charge have the potential to shorten the battery life?
ETT - Whoa, that's impressive!
perchjerker - What happens if the vehicle battery is really low for some reason, and so is the boat battery?
George - How many amps is it charging to each battery, or is that dependent on your vehicle alternator?
Jim Payne - The engineers tell me I can tell you that my DC to DC charging system will let your batteries get what they want and they should last longer.
Chatman - So the big difference is using DC power to charge the batteries?
Jim Payne - The amps are the key, if your batteries ask for 30 amps your alternator gives them 30 amps and if they only want 2 amps, that is what they get.
Chatman - Makes sense, like your outboards alternator then....
perchjerker - You are always using DC to charge batteries, a regular charger just converts AC to DC.
Jim Payne - That is correct.
perchjerker - I get it.
perchjerker - I used to do this stuff for a living.
Jim Payne - Yes the AC chargers do that, but the regulators are not as good as the alternator in your vehicle.
George - So if I am charging 3 batteries on a 36 volt system, is it 25 minutes per each battery?
Chatman - Is there any heat generated with the Stay N Charge Jim?
Jim Payne - Yes George. 
perchjerker - I can see how it would work.
Jim Payne - There is a 30 amp circuit breaker on the units but the new gorilla systems has a lot of stuff for protection on the batteries in series.
George - With this system, I am guessing there would be no need for an onboard charger?
George - How difficult is it to install? 
Jim Payne - Well if you leave your boat in the water and are not towing it or do not get a long run then you will still need an onboard charger.
George - Agreed.
perchjerker - Is this similar to a system to charge an RV's batteries through the trailer plug?
Jim Payne - Installation is the best part because it only takes 20 to 30 minutes, tops!
George - Really? Can you provide a summary of the steps?
Jim Payne - Trailer companies and RV's have been doing this for 30 years, we just brought to the fishing market and made it better!
perchjerker - I see, that's pretty clever!
Jim Payne - Yes the installation steps are on my web site at,
George - Here's a big question, do I have to cut any holes in my boat?
Jim Payne - No holes need to be cut, anywhere. Unless you want to "custom" install it.
Chatman - You mentioned a guarantee or warranty Jim?
Jim Payne - I have installed in a lot of pro's fishing boats and it still only takes under 1 hour to do.
George - That is great. You mention on your website, parallel and serial connections, what is the difference between the two? How do you know which one you have on boat?
Jim Payne - We have a 90 day, money back guarantee and a three year warranty.
perchjerker - 24v systems are series systems.
George - Thanks PJ, what about 36v systems?
perchjerker - They are also series wired, unless you have 6 batteries! LOL!!
Jim Payne - The boating manufacturers changed a lot of boats in 2001 and now if the batteries are wired positive to positive and negative to negative, that is parallel. And if they are wired positive to negative, that is series wiring.
George - So for anything but 12v, I would need to purchase the Gorilla model?
Jim Payne - Yes the gorilla is for charging batteries in series up to 36 volt.
perchjerker - What gauge wire are you running in the gorilla model?
Jim Payne - All wiring is 10 gauge wire. (10awg)
Chatman - Does this add any drain or load to, or shorten the life of the vehicles alternator?
George - Good question Chatman!
Jim Payne - No way, no how. They are built to work at maximum range.
Chatman - I see, this all sounds to great! Especially for a guy like me that has, one a few occasions, forgotten to plug in his battery charger...
George - To summarize, when I take boat out of the water and drive 70 miles back to the house, the batteries should be charged?
Chatman - Only to find this out at the ramp when there is zero power to anything...
George - Or certainly will be by the time I drive back to lake.
Chatman - With this system it would charge up on the way and I'd be good to go...
perchjerker - What would happen, say if your boat battery shorted out? I would imagine there is circuit protection against that.
Jim Payne - I get new customers every day telling me that they only take 15 minutes and the batteries are full!
ETT - Jim, Have you heard of Power Pulse conditioners? (de-sulfating system)
Jim Payne - There is a circuit protection PJ.
Jim Payne - I have not heard of them ETT.
Jim Payne - I would like to hear about them. 
perchjerker - So, in essence, when this thing is hooked up, all your batteries in the boat and vehicle are hooked in parallel, is that correct?
Jim Payne - Only on the original model PJ.
perchjerker - I see, I'm just trying to picture the set up.
Chatman - Perchjerker had a great question, what would happen if a battery shorted out? Is there a breaker or some such item?
Jim Payne - The gorilla is a computer chip controlled switching box that weighs less then a pound and controls the charge to batteries wired in series.
Jim Payne - All the systems are circuit protected, guys.
perchjerker - I see so there is more than just a harness.
Jim Payne - Yes.
perchjerker - Ok, that makes sense now! I knew it had to have some kind of controller.
Jim Payne - The systems are all tested and checked by electrical engineers.
ETT - Jim, does your site have the costs listed?
Chatman - We have them for sale here on Walleye Central, Scott has one of the systems in his Ranger.
Jim Payne - Yes it does list the prices and if we can get Scott to work, I have given him a deal to pass along to you guys at Walleye Central.
perchjerker - Pass some out at the get together! You know, its all for charity! LOL!!
Jim Payne - Were is that?
ETT - Huron, Ohio.
George - Have any of your units ever caused a fire or electrical damage to boat or tow vehicle?
Jim Payne - No, out of 1,300 units we put out, not one has been returned for any reason.
George - That's impressive!
Chatman - That's an incredible track record Jim!
Jim Payne - We have a 2,000,000.00 bond also.
George - That was my next question! LOL!!
ETT - Are there any problem with the new electronic computers? 
Jim Payne - Not as of yet. I have worked with engineers from mercury and other companies and I really have great engineering guys that have taken every possible step to make it work correct.
George - ETT are you taking about the computers on the outboards?
Chatman - So there is no problem with the new high-end motors, or with battery chargers at all?
Jim Payne - The original is not a new idea, I just made it better.
ETT - Well, the boat or the truck. Both have them. 
perchjerker - I am just throwing out possibilities here. What if the alternator full fields and overcharges. I would assume nothing would go wrong?
Jim Payne - No, because the system is circuit protected too!
perchjerker - So it would be no different than if it happened in a normal system?
perchjerker - Very good.
Jim Payne - I do not understand the question about battery chargers.
George - Where do you run the wires from your boat batteries to trailer hitch? Do you tie them down to boat trailer?
Jim Payne - There are a lot of ways to run wires so it would be what you wanted, there are examples on my site.
Chatman - I was stating that the system will not feed power to anywhere but your batteries, there is no trouble with the computers in the new outboards or with battery chargers, all 3 co exist..
Jim Payne - There are three separate harness per system one for vehicle, one for trailer and one for boat or ice-house.
Jim Payne - Yes on battery chargers, all get along fine.
Chatman - So you can use this ice fishing too?
perchjerker - There is a guy on Walleye Central who charges his ice house batteries with it!
Jim Payne - I have a lot of guys that use the same unit on the boat and they use it on the ice house. There are two companies that build ice houses in Minnesota that make it a standard option.
perchjerker - I like the idea. Most of the energy from the alternator is wasted just running down the road.
Jim Payne - We have put product into the hands of a guy up north that has 40 ice houses and five trucks. He never takes a battery back the his house to charge them any more.
George - Jim, I am looking at your instructions on your website and am wondering if wire A, from positive battery post to trailer hitch has to be spliced into an existing wire on trailer plug.
Jim Payne - There is a short jumper at the back to ground on the back of the truck to complete the circuit.
perchjerker - The guy with the 40 houses is the guy on Walleye Central, I mentioned earlier. 
Jim Payne - It is McQuaids Inn and Resort on Mille Lacs.
George - Ahhhhhh, now I understand the directions! It took me a couple of minutes.
George - I did not see wire B.
perchjerker - Hey, I have another scenario for you.
Jim Payne - Do not be afraid of my systems because they work and we have made them to keep you fishing and not looking for AC power cords.
Chatman - It sounds fairly easy to install. I bet most people would be surprised at how fast they put theirs in...
Jim Payne - I hear every day that is so easy to do!
perchjerker - I have a GM 4.3L in my boat, can I hook it to that and charge my trolling batteries while running from spot to spot?
Chatman - This is a great thing if you fish tourneys at crowded motels where you cannot be assured of the voltage level from a plug with 6 other charges attached. Or someone knocking out the charger plug and leaving you with low batteries...
Jim Payne - Yes you can but you would need to put a switch in it so it would not drain they running battery while you troll.
perchjerker - So an isolator would be necessary there then?
Jim Payne - You could do that too.
perchjerker - I don't want to get too technical, but why would that be different than using your truck to charge your boat?
Chatman - Not too technical PJ, and a GREAT question..
Jim Payne - It would not be, it would just give you more charge time if you were leaving your boat in the water.
perchjerker - Oh, so you could manually control where the charge goes?
ETT - You don't leave your truck at idle, like you do your boat while trolling.
Jim Payne - Yes. 
perchjerker - I don't troll with the big motor, but I get your point Jim.
Jim Payne - The truck is not hooked up while you troll either.
George - Jim, I did not understand why it would drain the running battery while trolling.
perchjerker - Neither is my big motor, I troll with a kicker or my electric motor.
Jim Payne - Well if it is hooked to the battery on your boat motor it is going to drain the motor battery while you troll unless it is isolated
perchjerker - The trolling motor batteries are totally separate from the main motor.
George - So the running battery will be trying to charge the trolling batteries when main motor is not running?
Jim Payne - But if you use the alternator on your boat, you would be going through the running battery unless your boat motor has its own out put.
Jim Payne - Yes, George.
George - I understand now.
Jim Payne - There are a lot of different ways to do this and if you have a different deal, I will do all I can to help!
perchjerker - yea, its kind of hard to explain all the different setups in a forum like this.
Jim Payne - it is really hard when you have a product that goes against everything you have been told for the past ten years!
perchjerker - yea, I'm sure it works fine.
Chatman - Well, has Jim missed any questions? We have just a few minutes left before we wrap this chat up. Officially.
perchjerker - I will back off now, I didn't mean to grill you too bad!
perchjerker - LOL!!
George - This has been an excellent session!
Jim Payne - We have designed the systems from what I got from you guys that fish. And we have made the systems to work the way you want them to, and we will still get it better with your help!
Jim Payne - No don't let up! I want you to get all you want, and more!!
George - So 25 minutes to charge a drained battery with most tow vehicles?
Jim Payne - Yes, at the longest, per each 12 volt battery!
George - Is there an explanation for why it is so much faster then my Dual Pro?
Chatman - Man, you can fully charge your batteries just runnin to another ramp on the other side of the lake!
Jim Payne - The dual pro is designed to put a certain amount of power to each battery and that's all it can do. The StayNCharge gives each battery the amount of power it wants.
fsih - Isn't the fast charging hard on the batteries?
Dutchman - Ok, Im interested, what's it cost?
George - I would not have to pay the $15 per month for electricity in storage facility!
Jim Payne - Well for some reason they said anything over 5 amps was bad and now they are making chargers that put out 30 amps.
Jim Payne - The cost for Walleye Central is on their site. 
eyeguy/mn - How come they don't make deep cycle starting batteries for automotive use?
Jim Payne - I am not trying to be a smart butt about the dual pros, because they are probably the best out there. I have learned a lot about them. 
George - I did not take it that way Jim.
Jim Payne - I know guys in Oklahoma that use deep cycle batteries in their truck, and then and take it out to fish!
eyeguy/mn - But then, they're from Oklahoma.
George - Well you know them Okies!
Dutchman - Sounds like a lot of work transferring batteries to me.
George - I was thinking the same thing.
Jim Payne - There are a couple of other systems out there that charge on the water but their system does it differently than mine. 
Chatman - Well, we have run out of time. Do you think there is enough left on the plate to reschedule Jim next Spring? I for one would love to have him back again...
eyeguy/mn - What happens to a battery that constantly gets charged 1/2 or 3/4 full? Does it sulfate?
Jim Payne - If you use an AC charger they will Eyeguy.
George - I also would love to have him back, of course I will probably own one by then!
Chatman - Ladies and Gentlemen, a hearty round of applause for Jim Payne of Stay N Charge!!
perchjerker - Good job!!
Chatman - Clap, clap, clap, clap!!!
perchjerker - I'm glad you could make it this time!
Jim Payne - I would like to help you guys in any way I can. Try my systems, you will not regret it. Thanks guys!! 
George - Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap!!!
Chatman - This was a very informative chat Jim! I am glad we were able to schedule you!
Dutchman - Clap, clap, clap!
Jim Payne - Thanks, and you guys Stay N Charge!