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Chatman - Ladies and gentlemen, a warm Walleye Central welcome for Steve Worrall of Tuffy Boats!!!
spampy - Clap, clap!
Chatman - Clap, clap, clap!!
Steve Worrall - Throw 'im a fish!
Chatman - Well Steve, where do we want to go tonight?
Juls - Hi Steve, everyone. It's nice to see ya around again Zach...;-)
Steve Worrall - I am at your pleasure, gents!
Steve Worrall - Hey Juls!
Zach Boudreau - Thanks Juls.
Chatman - Let's talk a little about Tuffy. What's new with the world of fiberglass boats?
Steve Worrall - Lots of things, materials, mostly.
Chatman - Can you describe, basically the construction materials used in the hulls etc?
Steve Worrall - Sure.
Chatman - I know your flooring is somewhat special.
Steve Worrall - The hull is a multilayer hand laid laminate incorporating Kevlar, 20/40, 18 oz. and composite materials.
Steve Worrall - Yes, the liner is totally composite,
Chatman - Is any wood still used in a Tuffy?
spampy - Hand laid?
Steve Worrall - Only in the transom, and mine this year is totally Coosa Composite.
Steve Worrall - Yes, hand laid.
Chatman - What is Coosa?
Juls - What is Coosa...
Steve Worrall - Coosa is a brand name, tough stuff, carbon impregnated fiber.
spampy - What is hand laid?
Steve Worrall - All the layers of fiberglass are hand rolled.
Chatman - Do you use chop mat as well?
Steve Worrall - Hand layup, on the otherhand, is different.
Steve Worrall - Yes Tuffy uses chop as binder, between the layers of woven glass.
Chatman - That also brings up a good point, can you
briefly explain the difference between hand laid and hand layup?
Steve Worrall - All the big brands do, Chatman.
Steve Worrall - Hand layup is TOTALLY hand done with layers of woven and mat.
Steve Worrall - Bullet/Allison are the only ones doing it that way, at this point.
spampy - Steve, is that a good thing?
Chatman - I think the stigma with the use of wood and chop is grossly overrated. When used right, the boats are always a better product for using it.
Steve Worrall - Can be if you only want a FAST boat.
Chatman - IMHO.
Steve Worrall - Very light, less resin.
Chatman - That is another great point Steve. Tuffy boats are fast for their size, yet they are not flimsy. How is that
Steve Worrall - Yes, and that has been the accepted way to build a boat for 25 years.
Steve Worrall - The laminate is coupled with composite construction, less weight and no rot.
Chatman - Nothing to eventually absorb water either?
Steve Worrall - The bottom of a 1990 is over 1 and a half inches thick, but light.
Steve Worrall - No, Chatman.
Steve Worrall - 'cept Zach!
Chatman - Yow!
Chatman - LOL!
Zach Boudreau - I heard that....
Steve Worrall - Of course!
Steve Worrall - Any questions?
Steve Worrall - About boats, fishing, the industry?
Chatman - Feel free to jump in anytime people...
spampy - What outboards do you factory mount ?
Steve Worrall - Mercury and Suzuki
Chatman - Whats new in the Tuffy product line?
Steve Worrall - The Esox Deep V line of boats.
Chatman - How does that differ from the 1990 etc....
Steve Worrall - The Liner/interior is designed for muskie fishing, 'cept for some of the walleye boys!
Chatman - Similar or same hull designs?
Steve Worrall - Ralph Diercks loves his.
Steve Worrall - Chatman, they are the same hulls.
Chatman - I was impressed with the one I saw this spring. I really liked the interior. It lends itself to a jig boy such as myself.
Zach Boudreau - I may go to one next year.
Steve Worrall - Muskie guys need LOTS of room!
Steve Worrall - Fast, too, Zach!
Zach Boudreau - For a change of pace.
Steve Worrall - Not that you like THAT!
Chatman - So do relatively buoyant types such as me..LOL!
Steve Worrall - Yup!
Steve Worrall - I am no little fellow, either!
Chatman - Room in a boat! Herecy!! I thought people liked tripping over stuff while fishing!
Steve Worrall - Not this kid.
Chatman - On the interior subject, what are your deck lids made of?
Steve Worrall - Muskie anglers need room for the Frabill net, and over 100 BIG baits!
Steve Worrall - Deck lids are 50/52 welded aluminum,
Chatman - Or 60 lbs of jigs!
Steve Worrall - Yes, they count too!
Steve Worrall - I've been with Tuffy since 1975.
Steve Worrall - Old guy.
Steve Worrall - 'cept for three years with Texas.
Chatman - Back when the line was a roustabout in 2 interior configurations??
Steve Worrall - One, at first, the 154.
Steve Worrall - My first load of boats sold for $900 each!
Steve Worrall - not anymore!
spampy - How much?
Chatman - Tuffy has had some really great boats through the years. I was partial to the Esox, and then there was that scary fast boat...LOL! (The bass boat)
Steve Worrall - 1989.
Steve Worrall - It depends on which boat.
Steve Worrall - You can spend $9000, or $39000.
spampy - Nice price range.
Driftr - What is the $39000 dollar tag attached to?
Driftr - :)
Steve Worrall - We try to fit the demands of the angler.
Mckoz - Does Tuffy make those boats here in Wisconsin?
Steve Worrall - Driftr, that tag would be on an Osprey Pro, 225 Opti, 9.9 EL 4 stroke, GPS, sonars, and more.
Steve Worrall - Yes, Tuffy is in Lake Mills.
Driftr - Ok, that is motors too, thanks Steve.
Eye' Hound - What does an 1800 Esox deep v run?
Steve Worrall - In the mid 20 range, with an Opti.
Driftr - Steve , What is the longest hull in Tuffy's lineup now?
Steve Worrall - 20'1"
champ - What is the biggest motor you can use?
Steve Worrall - 225 hp.
Steve Worrall - The hull is unlimited. We can mount whatever horse power you'd like. However, we rate for 225.
Driftr - Why is it unlimited Steve?
Chatman - Maybe this is a better question to Zach, but how well do the boats handle in rough water?
Steve Worrall - The horse power rating has to do with length. Over 20 feet is a free shot.
Steve Worrall - Zach backtrolls!!
Steve Worrall - LOL!
Driftr - Steve, is that for any manufacturer?
Steve Worrall - Yes.
Zach Boudreau - They handle rough water very well, no problems in the big stuff at Big Bay de Noc and Green Bay MWC tourneys this year.
Steve Worrall - Those are the Coast Guard regulations.
Chatman - I knw my last question sounds silly, but there is always a lot of talk on the message boards about how to handle big waves. And whose boat is better.
Driftr - I wonder why I have a 200 limit on my boat?
Steve Worrall - It's the builder, Driftr.
Driftr - Chatman, and safely :)
champ - Can they handle water like Warrior?
Steve Worrall - They are being conservative Driftr.
Chatman - I know I get passed by a few, Schoenecker and Balliu as an example....
Driftr - Crestliner Phantom, Steve.
Steve Worrall - Yes, they can, and do!
Steve Worrall - And that, Chatman, was a 17'6" boat!!
Steve Worrall - MUCH faster than a Warrior, though, champ.
Driftr - I have to check in on that HP limit.
Steve Worrall - It is coast guard regulations.
Chatman - Yup. Can't miss Eddie's boat, stands out in a crowd!
champ - I'd have to see that Steve.
Zach Boudreau - It is impressive the way Schoenecker can handle that 1760 Osprey in the big stuff, it blows my mind!
Steve Worrall - Where you from, Champ?
Chatman - He is a good boat pilot, no argument there.
Steve Worrall - Scary
Zach Boudreau - That's what it takes, definitely!
champ - Nebraska. But I fish SD.
Steve Worrall - I'll be there in a Month, I can give you a ride champ.
Driftr - Steve , will the 20 Osprey do 70's?
Steve Worrall - Both are good boats, we just look at the speed thing differently.
champ - I have 19ft 3in, tough to beat.
Steve Worrall - Yes, with a light load.
Steve Worrall - Good boat.
Dan(oh) - Fiberglass boats Steve?
Steve Worrall - Yes.
Zach Boudreau - Mine will doe around 67 with a very light load and a 225 EFI. It will run 62-63mph, fully loaded.
Steve Worrall - That's 'bout right.
Driftr - Dan(oh). do you have a HP rating on your boat?
Steve Worrall - Get that Panther off, and you will go alot faster!
Dan(oh) - Yes, 200 hp.
Zach Boudreau - But, conditions to run that fast on the Great Lakes don't come very often.
Steve Worrall - That is for sure!
Chatman - That is a very good point Zach.
Steve Worrall - Big V takes the water well.
Driftr - Once this year for me Zach.....mostly 25 - 30.
Chatman - Is the Esox deep V in the same ballpark, speed wise Steve?
Steve Worrall - Faster, the load is in the rear.
Dan(oh) - Is it more important to handle rough water than speed?
Steve Worrall - The boat does both, very well!
Driftr - I like both Dan.
Chatman - Hachaa!
Steve Worrall - Hoochie?
Chatman - No Hachaa, as in Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwww!! As the boat thunders past!
Dan(oh) - Me too Driftr!
Steve Worrall - I love to open mine up, when I can.
Chatman - The Esox Deep V, would be an excellent river runner!
Driftr - Does that hurt the motors? To run full throttle?
Steve Worrall - With the full composites, I am 200 pounds lighter, so faster, too!
Steve Worrall - Not at all. Mercury wants the Optis at 5600, lots. It keeps things from carboning up.
Chatman - I ran my 225 for a year and a half, according to the tech, I spent the 2nd longest amount of time at 5000 rpm or over.
Steve Worrall - Mine runs most of the time at 5600.
Driftr - I often wondered if it hurt to run WOT..
Chatman - He said my motor checked out like a bassers motor.
Steve Worrall - Not at all Driftr. Motors love it!
Chatman - I have 2 speeds, WOT and fishin!
Driftr - Other than the fuel tank :)
Steve Worrall - Perfect. You will not have a power head problem.
Driftr - LOL, Chatman!!
champ - Gas station.
Steve Worrall - If one worries about the gas, one cannot run fast.
Chatman - I used a bit of fuel to be sure, but with the Opti it was still better than an EFI.
Driftr - Steve, my beast loves his food too!!
Steve Worrall - Oh yes, the OMC 200 is very fast, but hungry.
Zach Boudreau - I am running an EFI this year, the fuel economy is much
better than I expected, but not like my Opti was.
Steve Worrall - Yes , the EFI is not bad at all, and is a great power head.
Chatman - You get a little more umph then Zach?
Zach Boudreau - It's hard to tell because I went from a 200 to 225
Steve Worrall - I'd beat him. Less lead on board!!
Chatman - LOL, Steve!
Steve Worrall - All those jigs, and so little time...
Driftr - Hahaha!
Chatman - Unless ya dump a jig box, then you have to make time to pick up that mess. LOL!
Steve Worrall - Well, anyone who fishes for walleyes with catfish...
Chatman - Oooh, the colors! The colors!!
Steve Worrall - Yellow ones.
Zach Boudreau - Believe it or not I don't have a single jig in my boat right now.
Steve Worrall - I believe it.
Driftr - Scott don't like those catfish baits!
Steve Worrall - Bay de Noc will do that to you this time of the year.
Steve Worrall - I do, it worked for me.
Chatman - Hey now Steve.....I have been known to have a few of those catfish in my bait well too! LOL.
Zach Boudreau - Are there walk-through windshield plans for 2002 Steve?
champ - LOL!
Steve Worrall - Sticky little buggers!!
Steve Worrall - Yes, an 18'9", and the 1990.
Chatman - Just a little bit o ugly....but the eyes love em up!
Steve Worrall - Yes.
Zach Boudreau - Steve, is the 18'9" a new hull?
Steve Worrall - Not sure, we may re-do the 1800, best rough water hull out there
Chatman - Change it how?
Chatman - And why?
Steve Worrall - Make it longer, more horsepower, make it pretty. It is not pretty , at this point.
Steve Worrall - I am gonna MISS those guys!
Chatman - Will that effect the boats handling?
Steve Worrall - No, should be about the same, as it is a wedge hull.
Chatman - Can you explain "wedge hull" ?
Steve Worrall - Has no dead rise, the hull goes down to a sharp V from transom to nose.
Steve Worrall - It is an off-shore design.
Juls - Can you believe it? I have been in every walleye tourney boat out there EXCEPT for the Tuffy....:-( haven't had the chance yet)
Steve Worrall - Juls, you need to hook up with a Tuff team Member!
Chatman - Very good in the bumpy stuff. But does that make the boat draw more water at rest than the remainder of the line?
Steve Worrall - No, the 1800 floats in under a foot of water.
Chatman - And fast?
Steve Worrall - No
Steve Worrall - It will do 53 with a 150 hp.
Chatman - Hey, that isn't bad.
Deano - Does it then drift more evenly in the wind ?
Steve Worrall - No that is not too bad, but not a quick as a 1760 is.
Steve Worrall - Yes, it drifts really well. It makes a heck of a Muskie Boat, too!
Deano - OK!
Chatman - Yes Steve, but if a guy was fishing primarily bigger waters, the 1800 would be the way to go.
Steve Worrall - Can run 45 in 4 footers and drink a pop!
Steve Worrall - Yup, just is not a 'pretty' boat. That is why we need to re-tool.
Chatman - How is the side to side stability at rest?
Chatman - Typically true V hulls tend to be more tippy..
Steve Worrall - As good as an Esox Magnum, Chatman.
Chatman - Outstanding!
Steve Worrall - The boat has sponsons at the chines.
Driftr - Steve, how are the Tuffys stringers made?
Steve Worrall - Trim it down in 4 footers, open it up, and throw water to the sides 50'!
Chatman - Why then isn't this style more popular on big water walleye boats?
Steve Worrall - Stringers are a hybrid Composite/fiberglass/wood, Driftr.
Steve Worrall - Because it is UGLY!! LOL!
Driftr - I can't say I have ever seen a Tuffy on Erie.
Chatman - LOL!
Steve Worrall - There are 3 out there, and I know of quite a few that visit Erie.
Chatman - Is there info on the 1800 on Tuffy's web site?
Steve Worrall - N, uh, not yet.
Steve Worrall - There will be, Zach and I are working on it.
Chatman - Is that hull new this year?
Steve Worrall - No.
Steve Worrall - 1895, I think.
Steve Worrall - With the spanish Galleons!!
Steve Worrall - That's what it looks like, anyway.
Chatman - Does a parrot and an eye patch come as standard equipment then?
Steve Worrall - Yup!!
Chatman - LOL!
Driftr - Are there any Tuffy dealers in the east, Steve?
bill brown(Ind) - Driftr, you just got a new boat!!!
Steve Worrall - There will be. I am headed out there
Chatman - What's on the horizon for Tuffy?
Driftr - I'm not buying Bill, just asking.
bill brown(Ind) - LOL!!
Chatman - The more boats a man has the happier he is Bill!
Steve Worrall - We have new boats planned, new graphics, new seats, and more.
bill brown(Ind) - LOL!
Driftr - LOL, Chatman.
Steve Worrall - Yes, I have 3!
Chatman - His wife may want to kill him, but he will die happy!
Steve Worrall - VERY happy!
Chatman - New graphics? I can't wait to see them.
Deano - Steve, is there a better post to floor plate hook-up design ?
Steve Worrall - Pretty cool, look 21st century!
Steve Worrall - Springfield, best we can get.
Driftr - When will they be marketed?
Steve Worrall - The 2002's started coming off the line this month.
Chatman - Another 50 dollar question, any talk of going to a full liner cap? I get that one at shows a lot. I never know what to tell people, and have not heard.
Steve Worrall - No
bill brown(Ind) - Steve. I'm planning a Muskie trip next summer. July or August. Can you give me the best place to go for a chance at a 50? Wisconsin or Minnesota? It is a 2 week trip, thanks.
Steve Worrall - We cover our gel coat for 5 years, so no full liners.
Steve Worrall - Leech Lake or Bemidji, Bill.
bill brown(Ind) - Thanks.
Steve Worrall - Leech is really, really good!
Steve Worrall - Not as good as the Goon, but..
Driftr - Casting or trolling Steve?
Chatman - Makes sense. The boats seem to hold up just fine. I saw my old Esox a few months back. Still looks pretty good, and that was a late 80's boat!
Steve Worrall - Casting, or trolling.
bill brown(Ind) - I wanted to go to NW Angle, but horror rock stories scare me!
Steve Worrall - Yes. A full liner flexes at a different rate than the hull, causing crazes.
Chatman - Any questions Steve missed? Now is the time to ask.
Steve Worrall - No, NW Angle is fine.
Steve Worrall - Far away, but fine.
Steve Worrall - A full liner is cheaper to build though.
Chatman - How so? You'd think it was the other way round? More
material and such.
Steve Worrall - Not at all. We build a full interior liner and add a cap, all out of woven. The lined boats are primarily chopped strand, and laminated to the floor. Usually wood or foam composite, just two pieces.
Chatman - So a Tuffy is basically 3 pieces?
Steve Worrall - No, the inner liner laminates to the hull, giving us a one piece, watertight hull and deck!
Chatman - Ladies and gentlemen, a warm round of applause for
Steve Worrall of Tuffy Boats!!
Driftr - Thanks Steve!!!!
Steve Worrall - Thanks, anytime!
Driftr - Clap, clap, clap !!!
bill brown(Ind) - Thanks for info Steve!
Steve Worrall - You bet, you are welcome.
Brian/MN - Thanks! I got here late, but I'll be sure to read the whole thing in the archives...
Steve Worrall - Cool!!
Chatman - Look for the chat in a day or so, maybe sooner, Brian.
Chatman - Clap, clap, clap, clap!!
Chatman - Thanks to you as well Zach!
Zach Boudreau - You bet, anytime!
Juls - Clap, clap, clap, clap. Thanks Steve and Zach!