[20:03:14] ebijack (mi): Please Welcome our guess tonight, SAM
and JEFF BAKER !!!!!!!!!
[20:03:17] Drift'r: and i winterized
[20:03:22] cb(OH): to good to be true
[20:03:29] Steve (IA): welcome Sam and Jeff
[20:03:31] ebijack (mi): of BAKERMARINE !!!!!
[20:03:42] Baker Marine: Drift'r - You're winterized already?
[20:03:48] Drift'r: lol
[20:03:52] Doc (WI): lol
[20:03:56] Rod: central sask first time that I have not had to plug the
truck in , in nov.
[20:04:06] ebijack (mi): :)
[20:04:12] Doc (WI): I haven't winterized in 4 years
[20:04:37] cb(OH): sam what about an extended season with an
[20:04:40] Drift'r: i'm gonna unwinterize in a few weeks
[20:04:59] busy: I have crusaders, big blocks, have trouble with oil
cooler water heat exchanger crack at union leaking, can that be
[20:04:59] Doc (WI): longest the boat sat was 3 weeks
[20:05:01] ebijack (mi): sam and jeff, can you tell us your regular
procedure to winterize the average out board
[20:05:03] Baker Marine: Well, we're pretty lucky with outboards,
they are a little easier, but the manufacturers recommend you do a
few things as a kind of preventative maintanence
[20:06:11] Doc (WI): Does fogging oil reach all exposed metal in a
[20:06:32] Baker Marine: Well, here's the standard...We stabilize
the fuel, fog the engine, spray WD-40 on all the ignition and
electrical (including under the dash), lube all the grease fittings,
check/grease steering cables, change lower unit lube, pressure
check the lower unit
[20:07:11] Baker Marine: If you run the fogging oil through the intake
- carbs, etc. it will reach all exposed metal.
[20:07:40] Doc (WI): I disagree
[20:07:58] Baker Marine: In what regard?
[20:08:05] Doc (WI): it's got to sag at some point
[20:08:13] Doc (WI): it's oil
[20:08:36] Baker Marine: It depends on what you mean. It will reach
it, but it may not adhere to it.
[20:08:51] Baker Marine: It may drain off, etc.
[20:09:19] Doc (WI): do you think a product that would stop rust
through vapor technology would help
[20:09:55] Rod: you set him up
[20:10:01] Baker Marine: I'm sure there is a "better mousetrap" so
to speak, but we have not had any problems with our standard
procedure in conjunction with good quality oil.
[20:10:42] busy: It works so don't fix it, foggin oil has a good track
record, just my opinion
[20:10:58] Drift'r: i go as far as spraying my whole trailer with
[20:11:04] Doc (WI): we're working on a product used by industry to
add to fogging oil
[20:11:29] Rod: how long of storage before you should fog?
[20:11:43] Baker Marine: We actually use OMC SysteMatch D.P.L.
instead of WD-40 because it is actually formulated for
[20:12:13] Baker Marine: sorry - marine use.
[20:12:41] Baker Marine: For heavier duty protection, we use
OMC's 6-in-1 spray.
[20:13:36] Baker Marine: We recommend that if it's going to sit for
more than two months, you should definitely fog it.
[20:13:57] Baker Marine: The cold air can cause condensation
inside the motor, forming water droplets that then freeze...you get
[20:14:03] ebijack (mi): sam and jeff, why would anyone want to
spray fogging oil into the carbs, they sit dry from the factory for
longer than they'll ever sit here
[20:14:55] Baker Marine: You're just using the carb to get the foggin
oil to be injested into the motor. OMCs have a special valve that
[20:16:18] ebijack (mi): for anyone who doesn't know, these guys
have a great web page www.scaryfast.com!!!!!
[20:16:19] Drift'r: what are you recommendations for the 4 stroke
[20:17:24] Baker Marine: Typically, you would take the spark plugs
out, and spray into each hole for a few seconds while it's turning
over. You're really just protecting the cylinders in a 4-stroke
[20:17:57] Drift'r: ok thanks
[20:18:09] ebijack (mi): wouldn't that work the same on all 2 strokes
[20:18:15] Doc (WI): thats where this vapor tech. in the oil would be
[20:18:56] Baker Marine: 2-strokes don't have oil in the front half of
the motor like a 4 stroke. You need to spray the oil in the front on a
two stroke in order to protect the front half of the motor.
[20:19:28] ebijack (mi): what about all the oil that's there that was
entered with the fuel
[20:20:12] Baker Marine: When the fuel evaporates, a lot of the oil
goes with it. Also, cheaper oils and some synthetics will evaporate
[20:20:15] ebijack (mi): just picking your brains guys :)
[20:20:24] Doc (WI): does corrosion affect the fuel system at all
[20:20:28] Baker Marine: Great questions! I love getting technical.
[20:20:35] Doc (WI): me too
[20:21:08] Swat 1: How do you do this with a EFI or DFI system?
[20:21:14] Baker Marine: I suppose if there is water in the fuel
system, the carburetors would obviously be affected by the
resulting corrosion. Also, steel sleeve motors would be greatly
[20:21:24] ebijack (mi): sam and jeff, what do you use to clear out
the fogging oil come spring once it's gummed up the carbs
[20:22:34] Baker Marine: EFI/DFI would be the same as a carb
motor. For a Mercury EFI (laser style), they recommend doing it
like the 4 stroke. We do it a little differently.
[20:23:16] Baker Marine: We mix up a fogging oil cocktail and put it
in the water separator fuel filter and run the motor until it really starts
to smoke. That way we know it got through the whole motor.
[20:23:59] Doc (WI): Would you be interested in looking at
[20:24:06] Swat 1: But there isn't a carb to do it through is there? I'm
looking at the new 115 HP merc DFI and don't know that much
[20:24:20] Baker Marine: You actually are spraying the fogging oil
into the open venturi, and technically not into the carburetor. Also,
running a fuel stabilizer will not allow the fuel to gum up to begin
[20:24:40] Reefer: do you handle the ficht the same way?
[20:25:10] Baker Marine: I don't have any experience with the DFI
at this point. The owner's manuals are very detailed as to how to
winterize the motor - sorry.
[20:25:30] Swat 1: That's OK thanks anyway
[20:25:34] Baker Marine: FICHT can be sprayed through the
throttle bodys by taking the front airbox off.
[20:25:49] Reefer: what do you consider the best stabilizer?
[20:26:02] ebijack (mi): i know what the manual says, but
experience says different :
[20:26:02] cb(OH): good question!
[20:27:05] Baker Marine: We use a couple of them. Sta-Bil works
well, but I like to use Klotz Octane Booster. It's also a 16 month
stabilizer and burns cleaner than many of the other products out
[20:27:15] Drift'r: does the stabilized fuel make the performance of
the motor drop when you first use it in the spring
[20:28:06] tp: baker i have a 35 force that was in a accident since
then in the heat i will die after trolling the shop says it is vapor
locking could it be
[20:28:17] Baker Marine: We've never checked that. I will say that
unstabilized fuel can DEFINITELY affect the performance in the
[20:28:56] Reefer: sorry I got in late, so I hope I'm not asking things
you've already covered. I have a 15hp ,4 stroke OMC, anything in
particular to think about in terms of winterizing?
[20:29:12] Baker Marine: How long does the force run, then how
long does it take sitting before it will restart?
[20:29:17] Rod: what if you use to much stabilizer
[20:29:51] Baker Marine: Don't know that you can. I suppose the
motor would not run very well though. That's one reason I like the
Klotz product, it serves a dual purpose.
[20:30:14] ebijack (mi): is the koltz just a octane booster?
[20:30:24] tp: 30 to 40 min.trolling 1-2hours for restart
[20:30:33] Baker Marine: We did cover 4 strokes, but basically
take the spark plugs out, spray some fogging oil in the holes and
crank it over several times.
[20:30:58] Reefer: Thanks.
[20:31:09] Rod: I ask because I have a built in tank and am not
sure how much fuel is left
[20:31:13] Baker Marine: Sounds more like an ignition problem -
maybe heat breakdown. We would suggest taking your hood off
next time and seeing if it will die.
[20:31:21] Drift'r: you do recommend that you change oil & filter too
[20:32:03] tp: thanks baker
[20:32:13] Baker Marine: The Klotz is an octane boost, fuel
stabilizer, anti-knock, moisture absorber, gum/varnish eliminator.
[20:32:52] ebijack (mi): it doesn't hurt the bearings?
[20:33:21] Baker Marine: On the four strokes for sure. That's easy
[20:33:47] Baker Marine: It's an octane boost, it's not a power
booster that will alter the oil/fuel, etc.
[20:34:23] ebijack (mi): sam and jeff, what about the engine
[20:35:12] Baker Marine: We love engine tuners, but don't let it sit
for more than a day or so. Be sure to FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS.
Because it eats carbon, it will eat at the pistons if it sits there long
[20:36:32] ebijack (mi): do you think it's because of the fuels today
that one would need the engine tuners
[20:37:35] Baker Marine: The quality of fuel as gone down, that is a
[20:38:08] ebijack (mi): do you recommend the tuners for older 2
[20:39:34] Baker Marine: They DEFINITELY need them. You want
to get the carbon off the rings. The older motors were designed
when fuel was better. So if you use today's fuel in those motors,
they need a little assistance.
[20:39:44] Drift'r: my 15 hp 4 stroke seems to perform better on 89
octane than 93 , why is that
[20:40:06] Doc (WI): are you talking re formulated fuels
[20:40:35] Baker Marine: Technically, the lower octane fuel will
burn hotter. Heat equals horsepower up to a point. Running fuel
that over detinates or predetinates will cause your motor to burn
[20:40:51] ebijack (mi): most fuels have oxygenates added to raise
[20:41:36] Baker Marine: Not to necessarily raise the octane, but to
lower the CFCs which harm the ozone layer. Basically to make the
fuel burn cleaner.
[20:41:55] Drift'r: do you think i should go back to higher octane or
is the 89 ok in the evinrude
[20:42:22] Baker Marine: 89 is fine. 87 might even work better.
Whisper sent to [Baker Marine]: from the fuel guy i know, he says it
boosts the octane rating, they test every load before using on
[20:42:35] Doc (WI): even on a 175 ficht
[20:43:00] Whisper from Baker Marine to [ebijack (mi)]: It does
boost octane, but that is more of a result than an intention
[20:43:37] Baker Marine: If the owner's manual says 87 is
recommended, I'd use it. Use the minimum that is recommended.
[20:44:13] Doc (WI): thank you
[20:45:13] Baker Marine: I think the biggest mistake with outboard
owners it's that they assume that they just need to run the water out
of the motor and that's it. By doing the "little things" that we
recommend, the motor/boat will last a lot longer.
[20:46:06] ebijack (mi): sam and jeff, what do you recommend to
due to the hulls
[20:46:22] cb(OH): baker - can you briefly touch on I/O's?
[20:47:01] Reefer: yeh, and batteries?
[20:47:04] Baker Marine: Clean the bottom and check for cracks,
scratches, etc. Otherwise make sure the transom bolts are still tight
and all your running hardware is properly attached.
[20:47:57] Baker Marine: I/O's. We run them in a tub of non-toxic
antifreeze. We also spray the D.P.L. on the electronics, etc, but we
use the non-toxic antifreeze so you just run the boat in the spring
and it doesn't hurt the environment.
[20:48:36] Baker Marine: Batteries. Make sure they're good and
charged in the fall, disconnect the + lead, and spray 'em down with
[20:49:13] ebijack (mi): sam and jeff, have you found the gell
batteries to be the best way to go?
[20:49:22] cb(OH): Baker - can you extend the season on an I/O?
[20:49:55] Baker Marine: Not necessarily. They're higher
maintenance in the long run. We love 'em in the race boats though
[20:50:10] Baker Marine: cb, can you elaborate on what you mean
by extending the season.
[20:50:36] Reefer: how so are gel bats. more maint.?
[20:50:51] cb(OH): I'd like to use the boat up till first or second week
of December (Erie)
[20:51:59] Baker Marine: Gel batteries require a different - and
slower - charging process. You can't quick charge them too many
times or they'll burn out.
[20:52:22] ^2old2^ (mi): So i have my boat winterized.. What do i
need to do in the spring to De-Winterize
[20:52:38] Baker Marine: cb, just drain the block and manifolds
after you use it every time. Or if you can, park it in a heated
[20:53:01] Baker Marine: Is it a 2 stroke outboard, 4 stroke
outboard, or an I/O?
[20:53:12] ^2old2^ (mi): 2 stroke 70 hp
[20:53:12] cb(OH): Thanks - you don't need to worry about lower
[20:53:23] Reefer: I've heard that the ficht has a reputation of
cooking batteries, how would they treat gel?
[20:53:52] Baker Marine: If you can, run it on a flushette (garden
hose) before taking it to the lake to make sure it starts and runs.
Then go for a boat ride.
[20:54:00] Doc (WI): what about and outboard when its real cold
what should you do at the ramp so nothing freezes
[20:54:22] Baker Marine: As long as there isn't any water in your
lower unit - other problem - it should be fine.
[20:54:51] Doc (WI): does a quick start help
[20:55:06] Doc (WI): just for a few seconds?
[20:55:13] cb(OH): Baker - where are you in Antioch, say off of
[20:55:23] Baker Marine: The motor will be warm. It will drain as
long as you leave it like that. Don't tilt it out too much.
[20:55:54] Baker Marine: cb, exactly. We're about 3 mile south of
173. 1/2 mile west of rte 59 on Grass Lake Rd. in Lupa's Resort.
[20:56:27] cb(OH): got it, will you be open this Saturday?
[20:56:28] Rod: have to go guy it's been fun
[20:56:30] ebijack (mi): sam and jeff have regular tips posted on
their web site
[20:56:30] Baker Marine: Doc, typically they are self draining.
Starting it will help the process along, but it will drain by itself.
[20:56:48] Baker Marine: We're here from 9-4 on Saturday. Look
forward to seeing you if you can make it.
[20:56:53] Doc (WI): thanks that what I thought
[20:57:22] cb(OH): Turkey dinner at in-laws so will stop on way
back to Ohio
[20:57:42] Baker Marine: Give us a call when you get close -
[20:57:51] cb(OH): thanks
[20:58:55] ebijack (mi): get in your questions guys
[20:58:58] Drift'r: what do you think of the durability of the 4 strokes
[20:59:14] Baker Marine: I actually have to go - gotta get ready for
tomorrow's trip. But you can get more info from our website -
www.scaryfast.com. You can e-mail us at
firstname.lastname@example.org or use the prompts in the website. I'll
stick around for a few more minutes thou
[20:59:18] Reefer: Baker: have you had any experience with the
ficht boiling the water out of batteries, or should I say using more
water than normal?
[21:00:07] ebijack (mi): THANKS for your time SAM and JEFF
[21:00:10] Baker Marine: Four strokes - so far - seem to be
durable. As we speak, we're rigging 2 race boats with 50
horsepower 4 strokes to start a new race class. We'll find out how
durable they are.
[21:00:36] Drift'r: Thanks Sam & Jeff
[21:00:47] ebijack (mi): are they production motors? :)
[21:00:57] Doc (WI): Thanks guys I'll be in touch
[21:01:01] Baker Marine: Sounds like a problem with your charging
system more so than the difference in intake. Thanks a lot and
everybody have a safe holiday. And yes, they are stock right out
of the box!
[21:01:11] Baker Marine: Good night.
[21:01:17] Reefer: thanks guys, happy holidays to you and your's!
[21:01:19] ebijack (mi): thanks again bakers !!!!!
[21:01:30] tp: thanks guys i well try your suggestions
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