Walleye Central

[19:59:16] ebijack (mi): Please Welcome KEITH KRYCH, who fishes the mwt and the

usfa tourney

[19:59:28] Boomer(sd): HI

[19:59:32] R Hill(mi): Clap-clap-clap

[19:59:33] RoyG(PA): Welcome KEITH KRYCH!

[19:59:37] Drift'r: hi Keith

[19:59:46] RoyG(PA): yeahh!!!!!!!!!!!

[19:59:46] ebijack (mi): tonight Kieth will be talking about Handling, it's an open


[19:59:48] big man: hey keith

[19:59:48] rip some lip wy: clap clap clap clap

[19:59:55] prairiepillow: Hi Keith!!!!!

[19:59:55] ebijack (mi): howdy keith

[20:00:02] Keith Krych(MI): hi all

[20:00:03] RoyG(PA): encore encore

[20:00:06] ND-Marbeliz: hi Keith

[20:00:09] Keith Krych(MI): Wire-lining seems to be unique to the Detroit and St. Clair

rivers. It developed because of the swift currents in these rivers.

[20:00:21] Keith Krych(MI): These rivers can move along at 5 to 10 miles an hour or

better, and are 40 to 80 feet deep.

[20:00:38] Keith Krych(MI): One of the nicest things about wire-lining is a basic small

boat is all you need to start fishing.

[20:00:54] big man: how much weight do you need

[20:00:56] Keith Krych(MI): Small 12 to 16 foot boats are preferred by old "river rats"

because of their maneuverability.

[20:01:12] Keith Krych(MI): Wire is used because it cuts the water more efficiently than

any other material.

[20:01:24] Keith Krych(MI): The only mechanical device needed is the trolling reel. This

is a spring loaded spool designed to hold up to 300 yards of 60lb wire.

[20:01:33] Keith Krych(MI): This type of reel allows the wire to be played out and when

released is automatically rewound onto the reel.

[20:01:36] R Hill(mi): Damn Keith you type faster than I can read

[20:01:44] Keith Krych(MI): Mount the reel as close to the front of the boat as possible

and on the gunnel.

[20:02:03] Keith Krych(MI): I'll slow down :-)

[20:02:09] Keith Krych(MI): old habits

[20:02:14] rip some lip wy: i here that hill

[20:02:18] Keith Krych(MI): any questions?

[20:02:22] R Hill(mi): You dont have to I was almost kidding

[20:02:52] big man: how much weight is needed for that kind of depth

[20:03:06] Keith Krych(MI): We use from one to two pound weights

[20:03:06] R Hill(mi): Keith what does it cost to get started

[20:03:43] Keith Krych(MI): a reel costs from $100 to $165

[20:04:04] RoyG(PA): how do you know when you have a fish on?

[20:04:07] ebijack (mi): keith, do you mainly use rapala's or pencil plugs

[20:04:08] Keith Krych(MI): that is basicly the only cost except for baits :-)

[20:04:24] big man: do you have to "set " hard in that current

[20:04:33] Keith Krych(MI): In early spring the preferred lures are small rapalas, #5, #7,

and #9s.

[20:04:40] Keith Krych(MI): Other small minnow imitating lures like baby thunder sticks

also work well.

[20:04:52] Keith Krych(MI): As the water warms in the spring the baits change to small

spoons, then to flat fish, then to locally made baits called woblers and McGinties.

[20:05:06] Keith Krych(MI): Pencil plugs are used for night fishing. Pencil plugs are

smelt imitating lures that are locally made in a rainbow of colors.

[20:05:55] Keith Krych(MI): When a fish is on the wire it suddenly feels different. It is

either tugging or there is the feeling of having picked up a dead weight.

[20:06:00] R Hill(mi): Can this be set up on any boat

[20:06:13] ebijack (mi): keith, waht do you use on your hand to protect it from the wire


[20:06:15] big man: do you prefer to anchor or troll

[20:06:33] Keith Krych(MI): yes, I have seen 25 foot boats and 12 footers handlining

[20:07:19] Keith Krych(MI): I wear a rubber coated cloth glove. This prevents the wire

cutting my hand, and the rubber glove makes holding onto the wire much easier.

[20:07:25] ebijack (mi): keith, what kind of speed do you look for in the river as

apposed to a lake

[20:08:09] Keith Krych(MI): I judge my speed agenst the shore..If I am going up river at

a slow walking speed..thats perfect

[20:08:20] R Hill(mi): Keith whats the best way to learn to hand line

[20:08:42] Keith Krych(MI): with an old river rat.. or like I did just do it

[20:09:17] Keith Krych(MI): also join a club like mine..the lake st clair walleye


[20:09:28] ebijack (mi): keith, do you believe with your years of experience, that

handlining would work anywhere

[20:09:53] R Hill(mi): did you find it hard to learn

[20:10:06] Keith Krych(MI): YES..I have used it on the mississippi, st maries, niagra


[20:10:10] R Hill(mi): I am a member

[20:10:19] big man: must be tough on the elbow

[20:10:35] Keith Krych(MI): the first time I went we caught 9 walleye

[20:11:00] Keith Krych(MI): It's east to learn but takes 2 years to master..just like any


[20:11:28] ebijack (mi): keith, what kind of speed would you look for in a lake

[20:11:50] R Hill(mi): How long of a snell do you run between the weight and the lure

[20:12:02] ebijack (mi): to give everyone an idea of what your talking about

[20:12:09] Keith Krych(MI): not really tough on elbow... you get use to it...just like

having a jigging rod in your hand all day

[20:12:35] Keith Krych(MI): I like 1 to 1 1/2 mph in a lake

[20:12:52] Keith Krych(MI): I have used it to stay on rock piles in saginaw bay also

[20:13:06] silverfox: in mi how many lures can you run and how would you do it

[20:13:22] ebijack (mi): so anyone who trolls, could do handling with the same


[20:13:47] Keith Krych(MI): I'll get to that silver

[20:13:50] Keith Krych(MI): In addition to the wire line, you also need a shank, and


[20:14:03] Keith Krych(MI): Shanks are 30lb test wire 3 to 6 feet long with multiple

clevises to attach leaders to. At the end of the shank is another snap swivel for the


[20:14:20] Keith Krych(MI): Usually, the clevises are located every 6 inches on the

shank. The leaders that will be used will fasten to the shank using these clevises.

[20:14:39] Keith Krych(MI): The clevises are there to allow for a choice of spacing for

the leaders.

[20:14:53] Keith Krych(MI): Leaders are 5 to 40 feet in length, and are made of 20#

test mono.

[20:15:13] Keith Krych(MI): I use 40 foot leaders, 20 foot leaders, and 6 foot leaders on

a 6 foot shank.

[20:15:46] Keith Krych(MI): The longer the leader the higher up on the shank it is


[20:16:02] Keith Krych(MI): The 40 footer is placed near the top of the shank, the 20

footer in the middle, and the 6 footer near the bottom.

[20:16:18] RoyG(PA): now how do you get a fish caught on a 40 foot leader into the


[20:16:24] Keith Krych(MI): In mich you can run upto 4 baits per person

[20:16:34] Keith Krych(MI): good question

[20:16:37] RoyG(PA): :)

[20:16:45] RoyG(PA): very carefully?

[20:17:08] Keith Krych(MI): If the fish is on the 40 foot leader, pull in the 20 foot leader,

the shank, and the sinker

[20:17:20] Keith Krych(MI): Now, the long leader can be pulled in using the same

steady slow pull. Let the line fall onto the floor.

[20:17:32] silverfox: if you want your lures on the bottom what spaceing would you use

[20:17:33] Keith Krych(MI): If the 20 footer has the fish on, leave the 40 foot leader in

the water but put the line over your shoulder, and slowly pull the fish in hand over

hand, like you were ice fishing using a tip-up.

[20:17:35] R Hill(mi): Keith when your pulling the line back and forth is that to stay in

contact with the bottom

[20:18:31] Keith Krych(MI): I place ythe 6 footer 1 foot off bottom..the 20 footer 3 foot

off bottom and the 40 6 foot off bottom

[20:18:56] ebijack (mi): keith, it sounds like you need alot of floor space for the leader


[20:19:04] Keith Krych(MI): what happens in the water is the 3 baits end up about the

same distance off the bottom

[20:19:48] Keith Krych(MI): I just tap bottom accacionaly to stay in contact with the

bottom,,don't ever drag the sinker or it will hang up

[20:20:05] ebijack (mi): keith, what kind of depths can you cover

[20:20:39] Keith Krych(MI): not really ebi...I use mason leader material..it has a lot of

memory and it coils on the floor nicely

[20:21:02] RoyG(PA): how do you reel it in......you said it was spring loaded.....does it

reel itself in?

[20:21:10] silverfox: i called the dnr they told me 2 lures per line

[20:21:43] Keith Krych(MI): with this method I fish from 50 foot main channels up to the

top of the banks in 10 feet of water

[20:22:25] Keith Krych(MI): 2 lines per fisherman with upto 4 lures..thats how the law is


[20:22:42] Keith Krych(MI): so you can use 1 line with 4 lures

[20:22:58] ebijack (mi): keith, so the reel takes up the slack line as you go shallower?

[20:24:18] Keith Krych(MI): the very best techniques is when you tac back and forth in

the river

[20:24:43] Keith Krych(MI): this way you can truely cover the bottom structure

[20:24:44] ebijack (mi): keith, is there a rythum to your swing, or just a


[20:25:11] Keith Krych(MI): I just tap the bottom occasionaly.. not swing the line

[20:25:22] silverfox: is it hard to run 4 lures i only see handliners using 2 does mike jr

use 2 or 4

[20:25:46] Keith Krych(MI): I usually run 2..sometimes 3 I never run 4

[20:26:09] Keith Krych(MI): 4 is what you can legally run..not practicle though

[20:26:46] ebijack (mi): keith, is handling legal in all tourney's

[20:27:11] Keith Krych(MI): I know it souds a little wierd..but once you try it it realy is a

very effective way to fish

[20:27:52] Keith Krych(MI): It is legal is it is a legal method of fishing in the state your


[20:28:39] Keith Krych(MI): last year on the PWT..they handlined here on the st clair

river and also at debuke on the mississippi

[20:28:39] silverfox: keith thats a lot great info appreciate your honesty

[20:28:41] R Hill(mi): Are there any states that it is not legal in

[20:29:43] Keith Krych(MI): not that i know of...but you never know what a legislature

may do

[20:30:14] silverfox: what is the best reels to get and where do you get them

[20:30:18] Keith Krych(MI): all it is is trolling with out a rod and reel

[20:30:25] ebijack (mi): keith, isn't it true that most of the detroit river mwt tourney's are

won handling

[20:31:00] Keith Krych(MI): the best reel is made by A&S. others are gold caps and

trollAmatics..all made here in detroit

[20:31:42] Keith Krych(MI): yes..the last 3 MWT tourneys have been won by

handliners..and the team USA tourneys also

[20:32:14] ebijack (mi): keith, what do you think the % is of handliners in mich walleye


[20:32:17] Keith Krych(MI): anyone who want info on the reels I can get it to them

[20:33:05] Keith Krych(MI): at the last MWT only 5% were handliners...the winners and

2 other top ten places were handliners

[20:33:57] ebijack (mi): keith, have you ever tried using light weight jigs on the end of

the leader

[20:34:01] Keith Krych(MI): we found that handlining works best in off color or dirty

water..jigging works better when the water is clear

[20:34:45] Keith Krych(MI): jigs tend to hangup...hand lining immitates bait fish moving

up river at a slow speed

[20:34:45] silverfox: yes i am interested ill talk to you at 1 of the mwt events i drive a

silver ranger 690

[20:34:46] ebijack (mi): why do you think that is keith

[20:35:02] Keith Krych(MI): very natural under water presentation

[20:35:31] R Hill(mi): Keith do you hand line in lakes as well

[20:35:41] Keith Krych(MI): when you turn rapals will rise..but a jig will fall to the bottom

and hang up

[20:36:18] Keith Krych(MI): yes I hand line on saginaw bay and on higgins lake for lake

trout.. poor mans down rigger

[20:36:43] Keith Krych(MI): on lakes I will use spinners a lot

[20:36:57] ebijack (mi): spinners with handling?

[20:37:11] R Hill(mi): do you prefer that to long lining or just in deep water

[20:37:13] Keith Krych(MI): you can hover and make tight turns on rock piles and keep

your baits in the zone

[20:37:43] Keith Krych(MI): yes spinners....or crawler harness..just use small blades

[20:38:47] ebijack (mi): what about weeds keith

[20:38:47] Keith Krych(MI): any questions

[20:39:00] Keith Krych(MI): the wire seems to cut weeds

[20:39:17] Keith Krych(MI): but in saginaw and erie rock piles..no weeds

[20:39:33] ebijack (mi): keith, how do you keep the spinners above the weeds

[20:39:53] R Hill(mi): How effective is hand lining in rough water

[20:40:01] Keith Krych(MI): you can feel the weeds hangup on the spinner...just raise

the line up

[20:40:26] Keith Krych(MI): in rough water you can still feel the bottom..so it works

[20:40:31] ebijack (mi): keith, is the wire at a 45 deg angle or more vertical

[20:41:16] Keith Krych(MI): I like to keep the wire at 45 deg or less..some guys like it to

lay back from the boat more

[20:41:33] bob (oh): you use small blades all the time or just handlining?

[20:41:35] Keith Krych(MI): I like it more vertical to avoid snags

[20:41:53] Keith Krych(MI): small blades work better for handlining

[20:42:09] ebijack (mi): keith, does the weight change due to depth or can you get buy

with only maybe two different weights

[20:42:17] Keith Krych(MI): the fish you are going for are on the bottom and they tend

to like small blades

[20:42:44] Keith Krych(MI): the sinker weight changes with the current

[20:42:57] Keith Krych(MI): in the lower detroit river I use 1 1/4 lb

[20:43:02] R Hill(mi): Keith does it matter if your going with or against the current

[20:43:07] Keith Krych(MI): in the st clair I use 1 3/4lb

[20:43:21] Keith Krych(MI): allways go up river

[20:43:36] Keith Krych(MI): or accross

[20:43:45] silverfox: how much are a&s reels

[20:44:07] RoyG(PA): how does the reel mount to your boat....can it be easily


[20:44:13] Keith Krych(MI): $165 for A&S they will last a life time or two

[20:44:40] Keith Krych(MI): the reel has a C clamp attached to the bottom of the reel for


[20:45:35] Keith Krych(MI): I have mine attached to a railing with clamps from big john

made for launcher type rod holders

[20:45:51] R Hill(mi): Can they be easily mounted to lets say your rod holder bracket

[20:46:30] Keith Krych(MI): they can be attached to anything that has a flat top and


[20:48:29] ebijack (mi): keith, does water temp make a difference

[20:48:32] Keith Krych(MI): like I said ..the tecnique is easy once you try it...most

people I have taught have picked it up fast

[20:48:57] R Hill(mi): Keith besides the reel and the baits whats the cost of the rest of

the gear

[20:49:16] Keith Krych(MI): we handline all year... and win the local tourney’s so temp

does't make a difference

[20:49:56] Keith Krych(MI): make the shanks and leaders...you can buy shanks for $3

and sinkers cost about $2 each

[20:50:13] silverfox: when you snag up do you just keep going forward and hang on or


[20:50:13] Drift'r: do you ever use this method in shallower fast waters ( 15 to 40 ')

[20:50:22] Keith Krych(MI): I make my own shanks a leaders

[20:50:29] R Hill(mi): then it’s pretty cheap to get started

[20:50:46] Keith Krych(MI): Yes in 15 to 40 is the lower detroit river depth

[20:51:10] Keith Krych(MI): yes..except rapalas cost a lot :-)

[20:51:28] Keith Krych(MI): localy we have custom colors that run the rainbow

[20:52:30] R Hill(mi): Do you loose as many lures as we do jigs

[20:53:05] Keith Krych(MI): if you hang up I usually drift back over the snag and try to get

it out...if not the snap on the shank will let go

[20:53:37] Keith Krych(MI): I lost one rapala in 4 days of fishing the detroit river...and

recovers 10 jiggs

[20:54:24] Keith Krych(MI): once you learn how to handline you dont lose much


[20:54:37] ebijack (mi): is there any more questions?

[20:55:04] silverfox: what are some of your favorite colors in lures and your all time


[20:55:17] Keith Krych(MI): If any one comes up to detroit and wants to see how its

done contact me and well go out

[20:56:12] Keith Krych(MI): all time favorite is a #9 black and gold rapala for the

day..and a brown trout color pencilplug for night

[20:56:32] ebijack (mi): i'd like to thank KEITH for such a great hosted chat, lots of


[20:56:49] Keith Krych(MI): your welcome

[20:56:50] RoyG(PA): thanks keith!

[20:56:53] R Hill(mi): That was great Keith

[20:56:56] silverfox: ditto

[20:56:57] prairiepillow: yeah i am sorry that I missed part of it Keith.....thanks

[20:57:03] RoyG(PA): clap clap clap

[20:57:20] Pete (In): ditto

[20:57:26] ebijack (mi): how long have you been handlining keith

[20:57:26] Keith Krych(MI): we have a lot of unique local techniques herein detroit...I

know them all

[20:57:33] Drift'r: thanks keith, i hope to try this here on the allegheny river in Pa.

[20:57:36] MT. Troller: thanks Keith for your time !!

[20:57:36] RoyG(PA): it would be nice to see pics of your boat rigged out with the reels

and all

[20:57:54] RoyG(PA): and the shanks and weights

[20:58:03] Keith Krych(MI): My dad started handlining in the 1930"s...I started in the


[20:58:18] Pedro: Thanks Keith, You may be pretty busy with that invite to Detroit.

[20:58:34] Keith Krych(MI): Its one of the oldest techniques in the area

[20:58:43] ebijack (mi): i know that a few pwt pro's have tried it out here

[20:58:44] R Hill(mi): You may be right Pete

[20:58:45] Keith Krych(MI): no problem

[20:59:05] Keith Krych(MI): I took out a pro from the PWT when he was here

[20:59:07] RoyG(PA): it would make a nice addition to the walleye central site......the

"techniques" page

[20:59:44] ebijack (mi): yeah, keith, write an article and scott would post it

[20:59:44] Keith Krych(MI): we also "whip" and "chug" here

[21:00:05] Keith Krych(MI): No thats not in a bar ether

[21:00:13] prairiepillow: lol

[21:00:13] Keith Krych(MI): :-)

[21:00:15] R Hill(mi): Is that still fishin Keith

[21:00:16] Drift'r: :-)

[21:01:00] Keith Krych(MI): think of handlining as a giant bottom bouncer

[21:01:20] R Hill(mi): With out a pole

[21:01:29] Keith Krych(MI): shank and sinker are the bottom bouncer with multiple


[21:02:27] ebijack (mi): keith, can you explain what the weight looks like

[21:02:32] Keith Krych(MI): The only reason to keep the wire in your hand is because

of the constantly changing bottom structure of the rivers.

[21:03:05] Drift'r: do these ever snag up?

[21:03:05] Keith Krych(MI): some people call it a window shash weight.. it's tear drop


[21:03:39] Keith Krych(MI): if your unlucky to place the sinker inbetween two bolders

you will snag

[21:03:57] Keith Krych(MI): the trenton channel in the detroit river is the worst

[21:04:00] Drift'r: but in general not

[21:04:20] Keith Krych(MI): not very much

[21:05:06] Keith Krych(MI): the trolling is the key..you have to tach accross the

river..not straight

[21:05:43] Pedro: Keith, we've got to learn all about this "whipping" & "Chugging"

sometime! Maybe that will be another trip to Detroit!

[21:06:18] Keith Krych(MI): whipping is a night technique..chugging is the for runner of

verticle jigging


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