[20:06:08] ebijack (mi): OK, LET'S START TALKING OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:06:23] Drift'r: ok whats the best?
[20:06:38] mikej (mn): the manufactures!
[20:06:39] ebijack (mi): how about you ,mike, what do you use and why
[20:06:45] ebijack (mi): i agree mike
[20:06:53] Drift'r: i agree
[20:06:56] mikej (mn): Quicksliver
[20:07:32] Lundman: I have to be honest, I never thought much about it before, till I
started reading the message board...
[20:08:02] ebijack (mi): i never did either lund till i got involved in experimental engs
[20:08:11] Lundman: I always just got the oil when I needed it, wherever I was at the
time....I bet that makes you cringe eh.....:-)
[20:08:45] mikej (mn): I've got some bad oil doing that
[20:08:54] ebijack (mi): have you seen any of the testing done at merc, mike?
[20:09:02] mikej (mn): no
[20:09:31] mikej (mn): I'm pretty new to merc
[20:10:02] ebijack (mi): there are so many differences in oil, it would fill a small book
[20:10:15] boomer: i use yamalube in my new boat because thats what the dealer
talked me into for the motor. previous to that i ran twc3 lubrimatic in my 40hp merc
[20:10:39] boomer: had no problems
[20:11:16] mikej (mn): If you catch it on sale Quicksliver + is about the same cost as
[20:11:18] Lundman: I think I'm gonna switch over to Amsoil...
[20:11:20] ebijack (mi): the manufactures spend thousands of hours testing oil so the
lubrication is right and low smoke
[20:12:29] Lundman: I started running it in my van, and the gas mileage went up by
about 5 miles a gallon....
[20:12:34] boomer: from what ive been reading i am going to stick with the
[20:12:35] ebijack (mi): some of the syntheics are pretty good, but keep an eye on your
plugs, they'll tell you how good/bad it is
[20:13:11] ripper: Do the differences in oil make one better than the next in certain
conditions and if so how should I choose.
[20:13:23] mikej (mn): Yea last year i ran cabelas semi
[20:14:13] mikej (mn): ripper use what makes your motor run best
[20:14:19] ebijack (mi): the manufactures is the best. then you have to see how your
idle is , do the plugs foul, etc to see if another brand has the right properties to burn
clean in your motor if you want to change
[20:14:28] mikej (mn): the least smoke and best plug like
[20:14:35] mikej (mn): life that is
[20:16:42] ebijack (mi): you'd be suprised how a oil can seem ok, then run a long time
at full throttle and zip, your bores are scored because the oil couldn't lube at the higher
temps and higher friction
[20:17:10] Lundman: Ok, ebi, how do you know which one will and which one
[20:18:14] ebijack (mi): like i said, the manufactures is the way to go, they did the
testing, i've tried a few synt. oils and one was terrible and one wasn't to bad but still
fouled the plugs
[20:19:43] Lundman: I've heard from more than one person that Amsoil 2 stroke will not
[20:19:54] ebijack (mi): i bet mike has seen alot of blown motors on boats and it's
because of maintance and cheap oil
[20:20:13] Lundman: Mike, are you a mechanic....?
[20:20:33] ebijack (mi): could be lund, you'll have to try it, i hate putting in 2 gallons of
oil to find out i don't like it
[20:20:43] mikej (mn): Ive never had a motor blow but I always use the manf
[20:20:43] FishinMagician: How can a TCW III rated oil not perform properly?
[20:21:08] mikej (mn): lund no a fisherman
[20:21:12] Esf-wi: Hey I might be getting a used 1994 Starcraft
[20:21:17] Lundman: :-)
[20:21:43] boomer: thats ok i did have a bad arm a year ago
[20:22:02] ebijack (mi): not all motors need the same oil to run right, every motor has
[20:22:09] Esf-wi: got to go eat
[20:22:11] *** Esf-wi has left Walleye Central
[20:22:54] ebijack (mi): i wouldn't use omc oil in a merc and visa versa
[20:23:12] FishinMagician: I have been running a discount store's oil in my motor for 6
years, approx 8 gal/yr and no problems.
[20:23:20] ebijack (mi): the blocks/pistons/rings are all different
[20:23:30] Seamaster: Use what the OEM recamends. The have done all the testing
[20:23:32] mikej (mn): stick with it then fishin
[20:23:52] Drift'r: is it ok to buy the brand names out of a bulk container
[20:24:20] ebijack (mi): good fishin, but at $12,000 for a motor i wouldn't chance it,
[20:24:51] White Cloud: Walley report for lake ERIE ???
[20:24:52] ebijack (mi): i would buy it off the shelf, dealers get a different mix than
what's in the bottle
[20:25:11] Seamaster: I'll sell you my complete boat for 12,000
[20:25:17] FishinMagician: Does any one know if the label TCW 3 does not contain
necessary elements if it is from a discount store?
Whisper sent to [White Cloud]: e-mail email@example.com ric he'll help you
[20:25:41] ebijack (mi): that's only a basic number for tcw111
[20:25:48] prairiepillow: why is that jack if it has the same name?
[20:26:11] mikej (mn): Cheaper oils may not have the additives that the manuf do
[20:26:40] mikej (mn): you could end up with my carbon
[20:26:50] FishinMagician: What kind of additives?
[20:27:13] Seamaster: It's like the saying goes,,,,, pay me now or pay me later!!
[20:27:29] prairiepillow: so what is on the shelf is the best and the bulk is not as good a
[20:27:32] Lundman: Ok, so which one is the best grade, In the gallon jugs from the
[20:27:53] Drift'r: then you are saying that a 55 Gal drum of OMC oil is different than a 1
Gal packaged OMC oil
[20:28:21] ebijack (mi): yes pp, that's where most of the law suits would come from, "
joe regular" bought it off the shelf so that's the best they make
[20:28:23] mikej (mn): It could be if the dealer bought other oil
[20:28:24] Lundman: I don't understand why they would do that....the dealer I
[20:28:41] ripper: what benefits would make it worth changing from the manufacturers
and how would you start to shop for something different
[20:28:53] FishinMagician: Who makes OMC's oil for them? I don't believe they have
their own refinery.
[20:29:25] prairiepillow: in your opinion then jack what oil is the best ?
[20:29:26] ebijack (mi): they contract 3 manufactures to blend oil
[20:29:28] Seamaster: It is made to OMC standards.
[20:29:49] ebijack (mi): one for factory fill, one for dealers, and the shelf
[20:29:57] mikej (mn): fishin they probably have it refined elseware but have additional
additives put in
[20:30:01] FishinMagician: The Tech 2000 TCW3 oil from Walmart states that it meets
or exceeds the original manufacturers specifications.
[20:30:06] Lundman: but why would OMC provide one grade for the shelf, and one
grade for the dealer's application, that does not make any sense to me
[20:30:24] boomer: me either
[20:30:28] ebijack (mi): $$$$$$$ they save money
[20:30:30] Lundman: Why would they not want the same quality for ever motor they
[20:30:35] Magic Marker: doesn't to me either?
[20:30:53] Lundman: That's bull, One more reason to not trust the dealer if you ask
[20:31:15] Drift'r: you got it lund
[20:31:27] FishinMagician: What would you rather pay, 6.50/gallon or 16.95 per
[20:31:31] prairiepillow: seems like that is just asking for trouble
[20:31:32] Seamaster: I use Pensoil 10w40 in my motor
[20:31:53] FishinMagician: LOL
[20:32:08] Seamaster: It works great
[20:32:24] FishinMagician: What do you have, a four stroke?
[20:32:28] Lundman: I understand them wanting to save money, bulk oil should be
cheaper in price, but not in quality.....far as I'm concerned then they are giving
someone they sell a new boat to an inferior oil....
[20:32:31] Seamaster: dose'nt smoke at all
[20:32:59] Drift'r: you got it lund
[20:33:01] Seamaster: Yep:)
[20:33:04] ebijack (mi): it still meets the specs, but the additives are of a cheaper quality
[20:33:05] Lundman: that's crap
[20:33:17] Magic Marker: I agree with Lund, this is ridiculas
[20:33:41] Lundman: specs shmecks......They are rippin us off....
[20:33:49] Magic Marker: gotta get my boys to teach me to spell :-)
[20:33:54] FishinMagician: It would be nice if we could get the TCW3 oil manufacturers
to engage in this chat one night!!!!
[20:33:56] Drift'r: i could have fallen victim if not for this chat
[20:34:10] Drift'r: me too MM
[20:34:48] Drift'r: we can try to get them FM
[20:35:16] Seamaster: Nothing is better than good PM on your engines. If you do that
and use a good quality oil , you will have a long life on your out board motor!!!
[20:35:31] FishinMagician: That's one night I know I would be here for sure!!!
[20:36:14] FishinMagician: Why?
[20:37:17] ripper: If the names the same legally the product should be too no matter the
[20:37:18] Lundman: I think we both spelled it Wrong SM....:-)
[20:37:33] prairiepillow: you would think so ripper
[20:37:35] FishinMagician: I agree with you, ripper
[20:37:52] Lundman: :-)
[20:37:56] ebijack (mi): legally sure, but who wants to fight
[20:38:14] ebijack (mi): i rather have a better running longer lasting motor
[20:38:44] ripper: I would think anyone who has lost an engine to bad oil that they
thought good oil!
[20:38:47] Lundman: Well, far as I'm concerned, it's just one more way to them to make
maximum profit, minimum expense....
[20:39:06] ebijack (mi): i've run the same plugs for 6 yrs in my merc, when i switched
oils i went thru 3 sets in 2 years
[20:39:30] ebijack (mi): so what's your point lund, that's why they'er there
[20:40:07] FishinMagician: Ebi, is changing plugs once in 6 years preventive
[20:40:21] ripper: So ebi why did you switch to begin with
[20:40:31] ebijack (mi): no, it always started, weren't fouled so no need to change
[20:40:38] Lundman: Point is, what ever happened to being concerned about the
customer, and not money being the primary object, don't get me wrong, I know that's
why they are in buisness
[20:40:41] ebijack (mi): to try synt. oil
[20:40:54] Lundman: but when the money comes first, thats wrong, in my opinion
[20:40:57] Seamaster: Ebi, you should replace you plugs more than that due to worn
plugs loose thier heat range
[20:41:05] bob (oh): customer has never been as important as profit
[20:41:45] bob (oh): you should replace them ebi, cause somebody makes them and
they need a job
[20:41:46] Seamaster: yea ebi
[20:41:55] Lundman: Oil did Mike...?
[20:41:59] FishinMagician: You'll have to get them out with a hammer and a
[20:42:01] ebijack (mi): nope on the siezeing, i check my motor often
[20:42:28] boomer: i change mine once ayear and check and clean twice during
[20:42:41] ebijack (mi): zero gap plugs here
[20:42:45] FishinMagician: Do you guys think it would be possible to get OMC to join in
[20:42:59] ebijack (mi): we've been trying and we tried merc too
[20:43:25] Griz: has PinPoint ever been here?
[20:43:26] Seamaster: I love my mercruser 4 banger
[20:43:34] Magic Marker: how about a good omc mechanic
[20:44:01] ebijack (mi): drift r is working on pin point
[20:44:07] bob (oh): there's an omc tech that answers guestion on rec.boats maybe
he'd come on
[20:44:35] Lundman: Ya, seahorse I think he goes by...
[20:44:37] ebijack (mi): i spent 3 yrs running 2 strokes on dyno's, and i was amazed at
the differences in oil
[20:44:50] Griz: I'm a phone call away from buying one. Got any thoughts on them?
[20:44:58] FishinMagician: We need to have several of the oil manufacturers/retailers
on at once.
[20:45:06] Lundman: Ok, ebi , so the best one for Johnson would be the OMC gallons
off the shelf...?
[20:45:47] ebijack (mi): i'd say that is the safest to use
[20:46:02] FishinMagician: Ebijack, is OMC a sponsor of yours?lol
[20:46:26] ebijack (mi): the best oil i ran was a special blend for racing motorcycles, (for
lubing) but it smoked alot
[20:46:38] bob (oh): so how much can you save in a season not using manf. oil?
[20:46:40] ebijack (mi): nope, i've got a 14 yr old 200 merc
[20:47:06] Lundman: depends on how much you use I would think
[20:47:23] FishinMagician: bob, that is a good point, however, I have had no problems
with the other oil.
[20:48:09] bob (oh): no, i just wondered if it was worth the gamble, i don't run OB
[20:48:16] FishinMagician: As a matter of fact almost all of my friends use WalMart oil
[20:48:16] ebijack (mi): hey, if you like it use it, but if your having problems with your
motors idle, fouling plugs etc. it the cheaper oil your using so don't blame the
[20:48:58] FishinMagician: I guarantee you ebi, that if my motor doesn't run properly, I
would change oil in a heartbeat.
[20:49:24] ebijack (mi): what hp you have fishin
[20:49:29] Magic Marker: my motor under warrenty 5 more years, so will stick with
[20:49:31] FishinMagician: By, the way, what about the welded vs.riveted?
[20:49:50] bob (oh): I don't know anything about them, but had omc tech tell me you
see the difference when you tear them down ????
[20:50:03] ebijack (mi): the bigger motors running the higher rpm are where it is the
[20:50:14] FishinMagician: What kind of warranty on a motor last over 5 years?
[20:51:10] Magic Marker: 2 year plus 5 year extended, 115 johnson, 97 model
[20:51:17] bob (oh): i think someone should weld the rivets on a boat and they would
satisfy everyone :-)
[20:51:18] ebijack (mi): what hp you have fishin
[20:51:31] FishinMagician: What did a 5yr extended cost?
[20:51:35] FishinMagician: 70
[20:51:58] Magic Marker: 750 dollars
[20:52:13] White Cloud: amen bob
[20:52:13] mikej (mn): throw out the rivets and go fiberglass!!!
[20:52:29] ebijack (mi): ok, just so you realize that the big motors spinning the higher
rpm's is where the oil is most important
[20:52:32] bob (oh): fiberglass the rivets????
[20:52:35] Magic Marker: I'll trade boats by then though
[20:52:44] mikej (mn): no throw them
[20:52:49] FishinMagician: ok, ebi, I'll go along with that.
[20:52:52] White Cloud: rivets
[20:53:07] Richard Mellon: Ya, Mike I'm starting to get pumped.
[20:54:08] FishinMagician: I had a 16 foot riveted boat get hit in the back end by a 27
foot sailboat going about 10 mph and my boat never leaked.
[20:54:22] Drift'r: i just wanted to know what i was doing when i decided on a boat ,
welded or riveted
[20:55:11] FishinMagician: I don't know if it really makes any difference. Have you
heard any horror stories about the welded ones?
[20:55:14] Lundman: I don't really think it matters a whole lot, there are good boats
[20:55:39] Magic Marker: get one with a fish guarentee :-)
[20:55:45] Lundman: ....:-)
[20:55:51] bob (oh): i think buy the one you like and enjoy it
[20:55:57] FishinMagician: I did talk to one guy who had a welded boat (brand new)
out on Lake Ontario and the hull cracked.
[20:56:00] White Cloud: ;-)
[20:56:02] Drift'r: bobs reply sumed it up for me . Put your money down & hope for the
[20:56:06] ebijack (mi): not alot of interest yet reefer for that tourney
[20:56:16] White Cloud: ;P
[20:56:27] FishinMagician: When he took it back to the dealer they told him that they
would have to rivet a patch on the hull.
[20:56:33] bob (oh): i have a friend who has a glass boat that blistered 2 years in a row,
but he bought another glass boat - different brand
[20:56:36] Drift'r: MM also
[20:56:57] Magic Marker: what make- model fish
[20:57:04] FishinMagician: Crestliner
[20:57:20] bob (oh): i think you get good and bad in almost any boat - horror stories
enough to go around
[20:57:36] Drift'r: i agree bob
[20:57:41] Magic Marker: i've run mine awful hard, no problems yet
[20:57:42] FishinMagician: He called the factory and they told him he would have to
bring it out to their factory if he wanted it welded.
[20:57:48] mikej (mn): how true bob
[20:58:20] Magic Marker: what model fish?
[20:58:29] FishinMagician: I have a buddy who bought a Bass Tracker that had loose
rivets in the bow even before it hit the water.
[20:58:34] bob (oh): is yours crestliner MM
[20:58:52] Magic Marker: yes, 1750 sportfish
[20:59:18] bob (oh): The glass boat i'm talking about was a $44,000 27 footer and it
[20:59:26] Lundman: whoa....
[20:59:28] White Cloud: Does Bass Tracker make a boat ????
[20:59:37] FishinMagician: If the manufacturer gives you a good warranty and stands
behind it, who cares whether it's welded or riveted?
[21:00:14] Lundman: They have their name on them, but I think OMC boat group
makes them don't they Ebi....??
[21:00:18] FishinMagician: Bass Pro Shops sell about 65 boats a day.
[21:01:20] ebijack (mi): both welded and rivets are strong, you'd have to get into type
of alum. used and how many psi strength the weld/or rivet has with that alum
[21:01:35] Lundman: Good point Ebi...
[21:01:39] ebijack (mi): the tracker? can't remember
[21:02:02] Richard Mellon: Only tournament boat I ever broke was aluminum, 4 glass
boats no probs. Drirt'r -- Alberta - Mike an I compete on the PWT.
[21:02:06] mikej (mn): there you go again ebi getting tech on us
[21:02:13] Lundman: :-)
[21:02:14] Drift'r: tracker is tracker with no one else
[21:02:30] ebijack (mi): can't help it mike, i was at it for about 20yrs :)
[21:02:45] FishinMagician: A friend of mine drove out to Springfield to pick his up. He
said you wouldn't believe the number of boats that were picked up that day.
[21:02:46] mikej (mn): I believe so Drift
[21:02:53] Lundman: They have their own plant Drift'r...?
[21:03:12] mikej (mn): yea its around spingfield
[21:03:16] Drift'r: yes they do in springfield
[21:03:30] mikej (mn): actually i think they have 3 plants
[21:03:35] Lundman: Speaking of Aluminum, did you guys know that Skeeter is making
an aluminum boats now..?
[21:03:45] FishinMagician: No, I didn't.
[21:03:54] Richard Mellon: Tracker is now the largest manufacturer of boats in the
world 14 lines in all now.
[21:04:08] Lundman: Wow!!
[21:04:13] Drift'r: they have a trailer plant a glass plant & an aluminum plant
[21:04:43] FishinMagician: Those Targas look nice.
[21:04:48] Drift'r: they just bought fisher & pro craft
[21:05:03] Richard Mellon: They own Tracker Nitro Fisher Procraft Astro To name a
[21:05:27] Lundman: Holy Cow.....learn somethin' new every day...:-)
[21:05:43] FishinMagician: Have there ever been any proper testing comparing
strengths of riveted vs. welded?
[21:05:47] bob (oh): you mean their bigger than brunswick which owns about a dozen
lines including sea ray, bayliner, whaler etc
[21:06:16] Richard Mellon: Tracker owns 25% of brunswick
[21:06:30] Magic Marker: used to own a procraft bassboat, nice boat, before i saw the
light, and fished erie :-)
[21:06:40] *** Baker Marine has joined Walleye Central
[21:06:45] ebijack (mi): yes fishin, all the manufactures wouldn't put out a boat that
wasn't tested to meet their requirements
[21:06:49] ebijack (mi): howdy sam!!
[21:06:52] Lundman: Hey Bakers....
[21:06:56] Baker Marine: Hello. Sorry I'm late.
[21:06:58] Drift'r: hi baker
[21:07:10] ebijack (mi): hey folks, sam here has a lot of data on oils , he runs FAST
[21:07:10] Baker Marine: Hey everybody.
[21:07:20] peepsight: hello baker
[21:07:34] FishinMagician: No, what I mean is has there been a comparison test with
same aluminum type and thickness.
[21:07:52] FishinMagician: Hi, Baker
[21:08:01] Baker Marine: What's everybody usin' for oil? I'm interested in whether or
not everybody is sticking with their OEM oil or are you running aftermarket?
[21:08:11] ebijack (mi): you wouldn't make a hull the same design since you could weld
it vs having to rivet it
[21:08:15] Magic Marker: oem
[21:08:21] ebijack (mi): oem
[21:08:22] FishinMagician: Aftermarket
[21:08:30] mikej (mn): oem
[21:08:34] Lundman: Aftermarket...
[21:08:45] Lundman: But I'm switching...:-)
[21:09:04] Baker Marine: How about synthetics? Has anybody tried a synthetic oil yet?
[21:09:08] FishinMagician: What's the difference, BM?
[21:09:09] Richard Mellon: oem if its free after market otherwise
[21:09:30] FishinMagician: No to the synthetics.
[21:09:36] ebijack (mi): yep sam, one pretty good, one NFG
[21:09:37] Baker Marine: OEM is say...Mercury oil, or Yamalube, or Evinrude oil.
Aftermarket would be Pennzoil, Itasca, etc.
[21:09:38] Lundman: not yet, but I think I'm going to try Amsoil
[21:09:44] ^2old2^ (mi): this is the first year i've tried aftermarket
[21:09:57] Richard Mellon: yes to expensive for the dif in perf
[21:09:57] ^2old2^ (mi): in 4 yrs running
[21:10:33] Baker Marine: I'm glad I caught you Lundman. Amsoil is NOT TCW-3 rated
yet. I would stay away from any synthetic that is not TCW-3 rated.
[21:11:14] Lundman: Really, I have talked to more than one person who say they love
it, no smoke, no foul.....??
[21:11:28] Whisper from Drift'r to [ebijack (mi)]: this was a great idea Tom
[21:11:29] Lundman: and no problems....yet...:-)
[21:11:42] ^2old2^ (mi): is snowmobile oil that is tcw-3 rated safe to use in an outboard
[21:11:59] Baker Marine: I agree with you lundman, but Itasca and Klotz are TCW-3
rated - no warranty problems. Mercury marine can tell if a motor was running Amsoil,
because when they break they do the same exact thing everytime.
[21:12:38] Lundman: Alrighty then, I guess I won't , will probly just go get some OMC oil
then, thanks Baker...!!!
[21:12:49] ebijack (mi): sticky rings? Sam
[21:13:20] Baker Marine: What happens, is non-TCW3 synthetics don't coat the
cylinders. Water beads up, creates rust, the rings rub against it and go away quicker.
[21:13:41] Lundman: Whoa....that would be bad....:-)
[21:13:46] Magic Marker: any difference in johnson----evenrude oil ?
[21:13:51] ebijack (mi): water mixes with the synthetics
[21:13:55] Magic Marker: both omc
[21:14:23] Baker Marine: Johnson motors and Evinrude motors will be different for '99 -
so will accessories.
[21:14:29] ebijack (mi): it doesn't seperate like regular oil
[21:14:32] Lundman: Evinrude will be Ficht right...?
[21:14:33] FishinMagician: ebi, what does the mixing of the water and synthetic oil do?
[21:14:48] Baker Marine: Water doesn't mix with synthetics that's why it beads up on
the cylinder. Just like if you drop water into oil it will separate.
[21:15:01] Magic Marker: oil be different then?
[21:15:14] ebijack (mi): it doesn't seperate like regular oils
[21:15:14] Baker Marine: Evinrudes will be four stroke up to and including 70hp. Ficht
from 90 - 225.
[21:15:32] Lundman: I have a question, has anyone ever used anything like slick 50 in
an outboard....is there such a thing for two strokes..?
[21:15:50] Drift'r: Baker , what is your opinion of bulk OMC oil & a single gal. of OMC
[21:15:56] FishinMagician: Yeah, they have it, but I haven't used it.
[21:15:58] Baker Marine: True, synthetics will disperse water much better than
petroleum based oils, but will still not necessarily mix.
[21:16:20] Baker Marine: Bulk - vs gallon same oil, but cheaper. We sell bulk and
people love it at our marina.
[21:16:29] ebijack (mi): yes sam, but they don't tend to seperate after settling like reg.
[21:16:48] Baker Marine: Slick 50 for outboards doesn't work - don't bother.
[21:16:48] Drift'r: is there any differance in the grade of it
[21:17:09] ebijack (mi): have to disagree with ya on that sam,
[21:17:57] ^2old2^ (mi): is there any difference if it says outboard or snowmobile
TCW-3 on the can
[21:18:09] Baker Marine: We've tried it. With a 2-stroke, it will burn off with the exhaust
before it has a good chance to coat the cylinders. We've had much better luck in
teflon coating the pistons - now that works!
[21:18:10] ebijack (mi): they contract out for 3 manufactures of oil, one for factory fill
one for dealer bulk and one for bottles
[21:18:31] Drift'r: if you were a consumer & bought a new Ficht would you run bulk?
[21:19:03] Baker Marine: It may be a different manufacturer - true, but from what we
here, the formula is SUPPOSED to have the same additives, etc. But I might be wrong
[21:19:32] ebijack (mi): it would take to long to type it all out sam, but they are different
[21:19:34] Baker Marine: I would run any TCW-3 oil. We've had good luck with Citgo
bulk, OMC bulk, Mercury bulk, etc. but just make sure it's TCW-3.
[21:19:44] Lundman: See what I mean....."supposed to".....
[21:19:57] Baker Marine: I'll take your word for it. I think they're the same color?
[21:20:33] ^2old2^ (mi): we run into a problem one year up to drummond where the ran
out of outboard oil all they had was snowmobile oil
[21:20:38] bob (oh): these guys are spending millons of $ on their oil, I;ll bet it's made
the way they want it
[21:20:50] ebijack (mi): if you compared them they might be slightly different, depends
on what additives they are going cheaper on
[21:20:51] FishinMagician: What about the Tech 2000 TCW# from Walmart?
[21:21:02] FishinMagician: TCW3
[21:21:12] Baker Marine: I'll tell you what I do. I have a Mercury 340 HP drag motor
that will turn about 10,200 rpms in a quarter mile. I run Klotz Synthetic and have not
had a single problem. Regular oil would break down under those circumstances and I
would have more problem
[21:21:21] bob (oh): eib, why would they take a chance on going cheaper on an oil to
put in their warrented engines???
[21:21:57] FishinMagician: Meets or exceeds manufacturers specifications!!!
[21:22:01] Baker Marine: It's funny, but ebi hit it on the head. OMC does not make oil -
they make motors. They get their oil from somebody else and put their name on it and
charge a profit.
[21:22:06] Magic Marker: yeah, why?
[21:22:21] FishinMagician: Profit, what else?
[21:22:30] ebijack (mi): you have double oil for breakin, (use chaper oil) then most buy
bottle oil and not dealer bulk (again a bit cheaper oil)
[21:22:55] Baker Marine: While not all oils are created equal, if it's TCW-3 rated, it will
satisfy your warranty, but there are so many advantages to a good oil.
[21:23:00] bob (oh): sure, they don't make oil, but they're staking their motors and
reputation on it and you think they're going to take a chance !!!!
[21:23:09] Lundman: Where can a guy get the Klotz?
[21:23:27] Baker Marine: Synthetics don't smoke nearly as much and what little smoke
you do get actually smells good! No carbon to foul up your spark plugs either.
[21:23:33] FishinMagician: How long has this Klotz oil been tested?
[21:24:00] FishinMagician: Have any of you run this oil for an extended time?
[21:24:17] Lundman: Tell you what, if it's good enough for 10 thousand RPM's, it's
good enough for me.....:-)
[21:24:25] Baker Marine: Good question Lundman. You can get it from us. Check our
website www.scaryfast.com and give us a call or e-mail us. Klotz is a huge two cycle
lube manufacturer for 36 years now.
[21:24:40] Magic Marker: how long does your motor run before rebuild?
[21:24:59] Baker Marine: I have a lot of our customers running it in Bass boats, and ski
boats - mostly because of the lack of smoke.
[21:25:21] bob (oh): thought FICHT was suppose to be almost smoke free
[21:25:28] Lundman: Will it work as good in lower horsepower engines as well
[21:25:36] ebijack (mi): only because it uses less fuel
[21:25:42] Baker Marine: I replace pistons - at 10,000 rpms, the locating rings fall out -
but I have not replaced a single ring yet - other than when I replace that piston for the
locating pin issue.
[21:25:56] ebijack (mi): it's not a critical in lower rpm engs
[21:26:07] mikej (mn): gotta go all
[21:26:19] bob (oh): nite mike
[21:26:19] Reefer: that's right ebi, more fuel efficient but same mixture.
[21:26:24] FishinMagician: See ya later guys. It's been fun. I'm going to check out
Baker's site.cya mike
[21:26:24] ebijack (mi): yeah, that is the toughest part sam, we borke tons over that pin
[21:26:35] Reefer: see ya mike stay in touch.
[21:26:44] Baker Marine: Ficht is almost Emission free, but it only reduces oil by about
50% or so - still a bunch.
[21:26:44] Lundman: Ya, but I figure with the problems I've already had, I would like for
that not to happen again....
[21:26:47] bob (oh): nit fishin
[21:28:58] Baker Marine: We actually sell it at a pretty deep discount. We're a
distributor, so we pass that on to you. We have retail and our sale price on the website.
[21:30:09] Baker Marine: I'm going to get going. Sorry for being late again. Try to catch
you all next time. If you have any individual questions, e-mail me at
firstname.lastname@example.org or go to our website at www.scaryfast.com