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My 1999 boat was sent back to the factory for repair to the hull and they decided it was more cost effective to send me a new boat to replace it with a 2003
they took the hull number off my old boat and rivited it on the new boat
problem is that my brand new boat is registered as a 1999 because they used the old hull number
how can I get it registered as a 2003 which it is, not a 1999 ??
rebs
MarkG
05-10-2004, 06:01 PM
The only way I could think of to do it,is see if the manufacturer will give you a new certificate of origin stating it is a 2003,then apply for a new registration and title as a new boat (new state watercraft numbers). It is unlikly the manufacturer will do it. It is still a 1999 as far as they are concerned because of warranty implications,records,etc.
the factory replied exactly that
my old one was a 1999 and it was replaced with a 2003 but they will not give a new hull number because of warranty
if they issued a new hull number they would have to warranty it as a new 2003
as far as they are concerned it was a repair done as replacement and remains registered as a 1999
what a bummer, if it was stolen or damaged my insurance would pay for a 1999 and not the 2003 that it is
whats wrong with this picture ?
rebs
perchjerker
05-13-2004, 08:40 AM
I really dont think there is anything wrong with this picture, unless Im not understanding you.
You bought a 1999. You have a warranty from 1999.
Seems right to me.
>what a bummer, if it was stolen or damaged my insurance would
>pay for a 1999 and not the 2003 that it is
>
>whats wrong with this picture ?>
>rebs
Doesn't look like anything is wrong to me. You had a 99 model year boat, expected it to be fixed, and recieved a new hull replacement instead.
If they could have repaired the old hull, would you not be satisfied?
I can somewhat see your point, but in essence(assuming this was warranty or an insurance job) you came out ahead anyway?
the entire boat was replaced with a 2003
"if it was stolen or damaged my insurance would pay for a 1999 and not the 2003 that it is"
since it was replaced with a 2003 then why should the registration still be a 1999 and in the event of a mishap or theft the insurance woulod cover it as 1999, so now what, I go and try to buy a 1999 because thats all the insurance covered
the point is that I am extremely happy they replaced the boat with a 2003
BUT why not be able to register it as the 2003 that it is ?
I know money wise I paid for a 1999, but since it was defective and replaced with a 2003 why shouldn't the reg say 2003
if your car was replaced because of a defect and it was a 1999 and replaced with a 2003 wouldn't you want the registration to say 2003 ?
rebs
>if your car was replaced because of a defect and it was a 1999
>and replaced with a 2003 wouldn't you want the registration to
>say 2003 ?
>
>rebs
Not to sound like too much of a jerk.......but how often and to whom does this happen??????
larrym
05-13-2004, 09:57 AM
I think I understand your feelings but lets walk through the history of events:
1. You purchased a 1999 boat
2. I was defective and the Company was good enough to "fix" it by giving you a 2003 hull
3. You still own a 1999 boat, although in much better condition than you purchased.
4. You have insurance on a 1999 boat that you purchased and their committment to replace it if damaged.
5. When you get ready to sell it you'll likely have a better boat than you bought.
It would appear that you have not been harmed in anyway by these events and have actually benefited. (Actually, the boat manufacturer has treated you so well many of us might like to know who they are....I'd like to think my company would treat me this way.) I can see why you might like the added benefit of the increased value associated with a 2003 hull but it isn't anything anyone owes you. I'd be happy if the problems I've encountered over the years with defective products turned out this well!
Hines R
05-13-2004, 11:14 AM
Your way ahead of the curve other than time and headache you had with dealing with this problem. Basically I have to agree with everything larrrym said in his post.
I realize that obviously the company that made your boat had something wrong with your hull. I'd really like to know who the manufacture was that stood behind the boat this well if they did the right thing without you having to push them.
Ryan
Who's the great manufacturer that gave you a new hull? I would be tickled pink to get a new hull. Besides if they had the registration as a 2003 the insurance premium would be higher and you might complain about that. Just be HAPPY!!!
God Bless!!
Larry
To me, it essentially breaks down to this:
When you purchased the boat in 1999, the money you paid for the boat includes money paid for the warranty. So...due to the circumstances that resulted in them replacing the hull (in your case...new hull) the money you paid in 99 is what your warranty covered. When this happens, the replaced hull is valued then at the same level as your old hull, which would be correct, and they would warranty your new hull for as long as the warranty was on your 99. You have the right deal on this. If everyone recieved a new warranty on a replaced product, people would abuse the situation just to get new stuff for free.
Take an engine for example. If your engine in your truck is defective and the manufacturer replaces it, they don't start your truck out on a new warranty of...say 36,000 miles on powertrain. They continue the warranty until the 36,000 miles shows on your odometer, regardless of what has been replaced or not. A boat hull is no different.
Heck...if this were true, I'd be looking for ways to replace my hull every 5 years or so, which would make my warranty a "lifetime" warranty.
I agree with the others that you have come out way ahead in this deal. A new hull, valued at a 99 price (ahead here unless you sell), insurance premiums are lower (ahead here as well), And whatever advancements they put on the hull model since 99... Man...if only I could get that for my boat.
Steve
What brand of boat is it?
maybe I am not expressing my point very well
the point is that I am extremely happy they replaced the boat with a 2003
BUT why not be able to register it as the 2003 that it is ?
I know money wise I paid for a 1999, but since it was defective and replaced with a 2003 why shouldn't the registration say 2003 ??
I am not saying I want a new warranty I am simply saying that it is in fact a brand new 2003 boat and why wouldn't it be registered as such. I would not say a word about my insurance charging me more because it is a new 2003 boat, because if it was stolen or a total loss in an accident the insurance would pay the value of a 2003 and not a 1999.
I am extremely satisfied and tickled pink that the boat dealer replaced the boat, this alone told me I could have not bought from a better company
they are an excellent company
their customer service is second to no other boat builder, they are the best in my opinion
as far as the boat itself, I loved the 1999 and the 2003 just as well, these both are the best boats I have ever owned and I would buy the same make again
I am not looking for something for nothing, just simply asked a question as to how it could be registered as the year it is, my opinion that a 2003 should be registered as such.
I am not unhappy about it, just don't understand how you have a 2003 boat and it can only be registered as a 1999.
if you had a 1999 and it was damaged in an accident or stolen and you were insured with progressive insurance company with their total replacement policy they would replace your boat with a brand new one, that is what they do and it would be registered as a brand new one. I definately benefitted from them being the great company that they are and did what they did, but I only have that benefit as long as I have the boat, like I said if it should be stolen or wrecked in an accident then the benefit goes from me to the insurance company which will only be required to pay for a 1999, if I sold it or traded it in I loose the benefit also
be honest with yourself if this had happened to you guys wouldn't you want it registered as a 2003 ?
that is why I asked what is wrong with this picture
" why can't it be registered as a 2003 "
The Company is Starcraft
rebs
perchjerker
05-13-2004, 05:54 PM
I understand what you are saying.
Maybe if the title was modified somehow to reflect the discrepency or somthing.
Its a weird situation thats for sure.
And glad you told us the company ( I knew who it was all along, I remember you telling me once what kind of boat you had ;) ) . Its nice to hear when a company does the right thing, instead of only hearing bad things.
Das Boot 3
05-13-2004, 05:58 PM
It is nice to see a boat company taking care of their customers and providing a sucessful resolution to a warranty issue! I see your point on a 2003 hull being registered as a 1999 but without a new hull number it is impossible. I would suspect that Starcraft can write off the hull as a loss because it was never given a 2003 number. It is to their advantage to use the 1999 number. It appears you came out well with a "woulda been nice" footnote to your boats history.
Congrats and good luck with your new old boat :)
DB3
larrym
05-13-2004, 06:51 PM
Thanks for sharing the name of the manufacturer. Way to go Starcraft!!
Walleye_Slayer
05-13-2004, 07:26 PM
write it off to a very good company giving you the best possible service. in essensce you got the brand new transmission instead of the rebuilt and you didn't pay a deductible. Be happy you own a quality boat from a quality company and don't worry about it. you loose 30% of the value the second you leave the lot and the depreciation after that is much less 2003 to 1999 not much difference in the boat selling world once they are 3 years old. best boat to sell is the one that don't leak and you know that your's doesn't take care and have a great eveningA Bad Day Fishing is Better than the Best Day at Work
Best Reguards
Walleye_Slayer
Guys
thanx for understanding what I was trying to say
I truly do appreciate what Starcraft did for me and my next boat will be a Starcraft
I am a very happy fisherman in my super fisherman 190
if you are looking for a new boat and want a great company to deal with take a close look at Starcraft
rebs
flytyer
05-14-2004, 05:47 AM
I would make sure that they didn't raise my insurance premiem. It would cost more to replace a 2003, therefore it would cost more to insure it, you loose either way.
MarkG
05-16-2004, 10:18 AM
You are not entitled to the "benefit" of it being a 2003 hull because you did not pay for a 2003 hull. You payed for a 1999. The only way you would have been entilted would be if they had prorated your warranty and you had to pay for a portion of the upgrade. It sounds like you did not. If this had been an insurance claim as a total loss,you would have only received the depreciated value of the 1999 hull,and would have had to pay the difference to buy a new 2003. In your case,You will still benefit at resale by the improved condition it will be in,compared to what the 1999 would have been when the time comes. If your paperwork documents the replacment,and can be presented to a perspective buyer,all the better. All in all, you need to quit loosing sleep regarding the registration issue as it is,in fact, a non issue.You need to understand you are still ahead BIG TIME!!Just go enjoy it. Kudos to Starcraft!!