Is Brigham Young University (BYU) getting robbed?

[Jim]

I know this is a fishing discussion board, but I would like to get some input on what you fishermen think of what's happening in college football.BYU is now 12-0 the best record in college football and they have absolutely no chance at a national championship shot.
I do understand they are not playing some of the top football colleges in the nation,but most of the big universities need to schedule other big universities to make a impression on the polls for their big rankings.
So my question is....... is it time to start a playoff type tournament for these ranked teams (top 20 or 30)?

Please vote,
#1 yes
#2 no

Think you for your input,
Jim, Michigan State University

[Mistake]

Thank you for your input,
Jim

[Gumbo]

As a BYU alumnus, I gotta say yes. And it's not the first time they haven't received the credit they're due.

[Jig Master]

I'm not sure what I think yet:

Their opponents record was 47-86, with a overall power ranking of 78.5

Their strength of schedule was 104 out of 117 Div. 1 teams.

Their defense is suspect.

But,they did win every game, and they usually won with convincing fashion, as a good team should. If they win next week, and go undefeated, and end up in the Liberty bowl, I'd say they are getting robbed. Just like every college football fan in America will be robbed if Nebraska backs it's way into the National Championship game, but that's a different topic.

[waterfowler]

Go Huskers!!!!! LOL!!

[Buckeye]

Don't forget too that most BYU players are on the average 2-3 years older than most college players. It works something like this: A good share of prospects that commit to BYU at the age of 17-18 will red shirt his freshman year, go on his mission at age 18-19, and return as a red shirt FRESHMAN at age 20-21. That's the age and physical stage of most rookie NFL players. By the time they are seniors they are 25 year old men (remember that age?)playing against kids 3-6 yrs younger. Toss in the rest of the facts about strength of schedule, opponent's record, etc. and you can see how they are not getting more respect. BYU needs to think about getting some winning programs on their non conference schedule to prove they can play at that level.

[Buckeye]

Almost forgot! GO BUCKS!!

[Skis]

I don't think BYU is getting robbed, due to their weak conference and schedule. However, I do think Colorado is getting the shaft! They kick the snot out of Nebraska and if Tennessee loses Saturday, Nebraska goes to the Rose Bowl. I'm not a Colorado fan, but that just is a crock! They win the Big 12 and don't have a chance of playing for the national championship!

[CrestHawk]

No, BYU is not getting the shaft. You must play some competition-even if its Big 10 teams:-)

Yes, college football is in desparate need of a playoff.

Maybe: Is it true that the Golden Rodents of Minnesota are changing their name to the Fighting Walleyes?!

[exnj]

BYU is getting robbed of playing in a BCS bowl. I don't think they should be playing in the Rose bowl due to the factors discussed above. Answer to question is #1 - yes, a playoff system is desparately needed to end all discussions. That said, Colorado (Go BUFFS!) is the team getting shafted. How can it be logically possible to beat the snot out of Nebraska and then be in the position to be leap frogged by little RED if Tenn loses? Does the NFL care if a team lost it's first game of the season and disallows them the chance at the super bowl even if they beat the top 2 and 3 team two weeks in a row to finish the season? NO! They have a playoff to see who is the best team after having a chance to jell for a season and letting the best team at that point have to earn the win. It all does not make any sense, but in today's world, how much does? At least the walleyes will bite regardless of who plays in the Rose bowl!

Lou (EXNJ;CurrentCO) Moritz
GO BUFFS!!!!!

[Snowman]

NO!!!!

While the framework of the BCS is not perfect, it is what it is. All teams are judged by the same formula and strength of schedule and quality wins are part of that. BYU has long been the "big fish" of their conference and they emphasize lots of offense and very little defense. The voters take note of this.

As for Colorado getting the shaft, I disagree. The fact that they are playing some great ball is not in dispute with me. But, they have two losses which, had they come at the end of the season rather than the beginning, would have eliminated them from contention. If Nebraska had lost to Colorado in September, they would be #2 in the BCS right now over Tennessee. It all comes down to timing in some cases, and hey, sometimes life aint fair!

Myself, I'll be a Bayou Bengal for most of the day on Saturday! GO TIGERS!!!!


Snowman
University of Nebraska Class of '92 :P

[exnj]

Snowman,
That is exactly my point. In the NFL if you lose at the start, middle or end of the regular season, it doesn't matter. If you are good enough to make the playoffs after a season of working together as a team, you must then win in the post season to prove you deserve the trophy. College football doesn't do that. Losses at the end hurt them more than at the beginning. Fine, that's the way they do it in college. So why is Nebraska higher than CU when they lost at the end (psuedo playoff) if that is the system? Does not compute! One extra loss and CU is out? CU proved they are better, by a huge margin. Most points EVER against NE if I have my facts straight. And still not enough to put them ahead. It's a crock. Playoffs are the only fair solution. Go Vols!!!!! Make it all moot for now......
Lou

[Kevin/CO]

I think the BCS needs to account for opponent strength in loss a bit more. Colorado is playing national championship contender in one of the most competitive and well (in terms of BCS ranking) represented confrences in college football. Fresno St. was very under appreciated and came out and really shocked alot of ranked teams yet it counts so much against CU, Nebraska lost to a team ranked 15 places bellow them and only slide a bit, and a big big big loss at that too. The Buffs lost to Texas while putting up numbers yet its counting so much against them now? I think the BCS needs to compare yardage stats versus defenseive stats and rankings. If you sayare putting up big rushing nubmers then playthe number one rush defense in the confrence or country and put up big numbes shouldn't that be worth more? The point is CU had repeatedly beat high ranked teams and while not 100% soundly they deserve to be above NEB and atleast third in the country, I don't know if CU deserves a national championship shot but there is no way NEB does. Nebraska yes ended the year 3rd in one of the best confrences and yes had only 1 lost but they also played most of their games at home and lost to a signifigantly lower ranked team. And honestly if you were a supporter of a national contender team who got upset by a no name school that proceeded to become well ranked wouldn't you want that loss to count less then it is right now?

[Gumbo]

I can comment first hand on this too. I played ball at BYU my freshman year, then went on a 2-year mission to Puerto Rico. My body disintigrated.

As a missionary you don't have time to lift weights, follow sports, or stay in top shape. I lost a ton of weight--all of it muscle. Working 12-16 hour days, riding 50+ miles a day on a bike, walking miles every day, staying in crappy apartments, sleeping in crappy beds, and eating what I could afford since I paid for it myself. I came home a stick! It took my body a year to recover. And that doesn't include viruses, parasites, and other nasty crap missionaries get in 3rd world countries. I have friends today whose digestive tracts are still a mess from their mission in Bolivia.

So what the returned missionaries, which not all the football players are, gain in age, they lose in physical fitness.

[MO EYES]

Colorado couldn't beat OKLAHOMA once,if they played all 10 games in a year against them!
You can't get LUCKY once(by beating Nebraska)and then claim to be a good team.
Jeez buffs,get a life.

[Mr. T]

Yes, BYU is getting robbed! The BCS folks complain about BYU's stregnth of schedule (SOS), but the way SOS is figured makes no sence. There is a great article in Sporting News on line about BYU. The writer, Tony King states that under the BCS, SOS system, if BYU had played 2 FEWER games than the 13 it has, their SOS would have jumped some 40 places higher. In other words, the Cougars should have droped a couple of games from their schedule. Made it easier on themselves. Played 11 games instead of 13, and they would have had a MUCH HIGHER SOS rating. In addition, BYU has played 7 road games. Nebraska, for example, on the other had only played 4. Every one knows the road is a hard place to win. Just ask Nebraska or Miami. There is something very wrong about a system that penalizes teams that play 2 more games than everyone else, and gives no additional credit to teams that play a bunch of extra road games. The sole purpose of the BCS is to keep the 100 million dollars, or so, of BCS bowl payouts to just 6 conferences. All this while making all Division 1A teams follow the same NCAA rules. Don't believe it? Think that the BCS matches the 2 best teams in the "national championship"? Well think about this. If LSU beats Tennessee this saturday, then Nebraska will play Miami for the "national championship". Or put another way, the 3rd place Big 12 team will play Miami for the national championship. This after losing their last game by nearly 30 points. Sound fair? Maybe to you, but it sounds like a scam to me.

[Neal/CO]

Like I said in the other post. Colorado can't complain about the BCS. If you want tobe National Champions, you don't lose to Fresno State at home in September!

BYU is a good team, but they don't play a schedule anything like CU just completed!

[Neal/CO]

Lucky? CU beat scored 62 points on Nebraska, the went on the road to a hostile Texas game anr hung 39 on them. Lucky? I hope you know more about fishing than you do football?

[Mr T]

Correction........the article I metioned by Tony King is in the pigskinpost.com not in the sporting news on line.

[Todd_NE]

Is this about walleyes, hmmm.

CU was beat by Fresno something.
CU was beat by Texas by 38 points.
Nebraska ran off 11 straight wins.
CU beat Nebraska by 26 points.
CU beat Texas by 2 points in the rematch.
NU playing CU again would result in?

Who the heck knows. I guess Texas should really beetch.

All I know is the system was agreed on before the season. CU and NU had a helluva of a year. I'm proud of all the Big 12 teams, far as I'm concerned. NU, CU, OU, and UT are all in the top 6 or 8 teams in the nation and a playoff adding Tenn, Miami, Oregon, and Florida would be great. But it isn't gonna happen.

Back to walleye.

A Colorado State, Nebraska, and Minnesota tuition man.

Todd

[krimp]

luck would have been if the Nebraska kicker had missed the extra point on the game winning touchdown. Laying 62 isn't luck, it's called a lashing!

[Santa]

Oh quit your moaning and groaning and whining and sniveling and complaining and...and...and... No Soup for You!!!

[Gopher]

No, 'cause walleyes fight much harder!

[Bucky]

You answered your own question - They didn't play any quality opponents.

However, I do think the BCS is a bunch of manure. It's only purpose is to make $$$ off sponsorships and TV deals. There absolutely should be a playoff for the NCAA Div 1 football like there is for EVERY other NCAA footbal division and EVERY other NCAA sport.

Personally, I think the BSC could be taken down quickly if the Athletic Directors of a few of the major conferences decided to go out on their own and crown their own "national champion". For example, if the Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10 and SEC sent their 2 best teams into an 8 team playoff, who could argue that the winner isn't the national champion? Oh yeah, almost forgot - Notre Dame and BYU - but they both suck, so perhaps they could hold a religious school national championship game of their own. :)

[Snowman]

Ahem, Ahem, cough cough cough!!!



Snowman
University of NEBRASKA
Class of 1992:P

[Tennessee Jed]

Dad-gummed Snowman, you would bring this up after the Vols got beat :( !

Actually, I haven't liked this year's Vols team since the beginning of the season. It wasn't exactly dominant, and they kind of backed in to their No. 2 ranking after beating Florida. The first half of that game was a mess, and Tennessee's two second-half scoring drives were the only impressive thing about their offense all night. And how about those cheap shots they took on LSU quarterback Rohan Davey?

Is BYU getting the shaft? No! All you had to do was watch them against Mississippi State--second only to Vanderbilt as the worst team in the SEC--to know that BYU is definitely not for real.

I'd rather see Colorado play Miami, just for variety's sake, and because Colorado proved that they are the better team than the Huskers head-to-head at the end of the season.

[Kevin/CO]

Jed well said about CU although I don't think the computers can pick the second best team right now, Nebraska earned a right to play for the title, I think CU is better but Nebraska got the shot and thats that. As to BYU what was that Hawaii score? Oh yeah, enough said?

Hopefully the BCS yet again gets adjusted so that it will become even mroe reflective of teh realities. Enjoy the game Huskers, GO' CANES.