PWT vs RCL

[Amatuer]

Is the PWT still offering prizes for payout on the amatuer side? Would like to fish them but why, when the RCL offers a 35% chance of a free entry, or money to buy what you want.

[Amatuer]

Is the PWT still offering prizes for payout on the amatuer side? Would like to fish them but why, when the RCL offers a 35% chance of a free entry, or money to buy what you want.

[TAW]

Unless you live next door to a Pro, how else are you going to learn how the Pro's put their limits in the boat?

PWT gives you 3 days and the RCL gets you two with a chance at 3 or 4. Unless you fished the PWT East last year. It was a two day circuit last season!

[TAW]

Unless you live next door to a Pro, how else are you going to learn how the Pro's put their limits in the boat?

PWT gives you 3 days and the RCL gets you two with a chance at 3 or 4. Unless you fished the PWT East last year. It was a two day circuit last season!

[Juls_OH]

Just answer the man's question! LOL

Yes, the ams still only get prizes.

[Juls_OH]

Just answer the man's question! LOL

Yes, the ams still only get prizes.

[hehe]

Juls,

I'm suprised at you...why are you assuming the original post is a man? ;-)

[wow]

Juls
You must not be fishin the PWT anymore! Since when did you get so one sided?

To answer the question, The PWT will probley give out more prizes, the RCL will pay some of you cash.

I like the new changes of the PWT. PROs must earn a spot and fit into the PWTs ethics and new codes. This will mean the 120 PROs will be held to a very high standard. So when it is all said and done I think this will be the only circuit to be on if your a pro! So as an AM you will only fish with a top PRO. IF you want to make money doing this you should enter as a PRO!

[Juls_OH]

How does my answer show me as one sided? If the PWT were giving out cash now, it would certainly have been BIG news. Since there hasn't been any information on any changes for the am payouts, I can only assume that they haven't changed anything. That is why I answered "his" question the way I did. It's LOGICAL! There was no feelings of "ill will" involved in my original answer.

I am not fishing the PWT this year due to scheduling conflicts, and other obligations.
I hope they have a successful season. I also hope that in the future I might be able to fit them into my schedule and fish them again, because they were fun, but at this time it is impossible. That's life.

Juls

[JLDII]

Personaly, I think you not fishing their tournaments is their loss!;)

[brad b]

I think it was the "only" in your response...

Personally, I think you chance to meet first class people is about the same in either. If you have the money to spend, an event in either would be a real learning experience for most people.

That said, I will always consider the RCL secondary to the PWT until they stop being a boat owners tournament and start being a fishing circuit.

[Juls_OH]

>I think it was the "only" in your response...


Ahhhhh, I see your point. My mistake, but nothing negative was meant by it.

Juls

[wow]

Juls

That was the point "only" seemed a strong word! Didnt me to get you goin this morning.

[Objectivist]

Support open competition and diversity in boat manufacturers. Support PWT.

[Raybob]

[b] I get kinda tired of this -vs- Krap, try -or- for a change please. Both are Great for the Sport, but they have different Requirements ~ "AS WE ALL KNOW" ~ the choice is yours :)

Support open competition and diversity with all boat manufacturers -or- Support open competition and diversity within RCL boat manufacturers

[Objectivist]

Raybob,

If the "vs" posts disturb you, perhaps you should avoid them. There are a number of people - I'm not sure how many - who don't agree that RCL is good for the average joe fisherman or professional walleye fishing. The one thing that is clear is that it's good for Genmar.

[love them eyes guy]

I really don't get your point! I don't have a Genmar boat but how can this be bad for the Walleye world? RCL might not let me fish with my boat but they bring more and bigger sponsors to the walleye world! How in the world can that be bad? They own the tour, they make the rules, EVERYONE has to follow them! I think the PWT is going to be the top circuit in a few years with there new format, but theres still plenty of room for the RCL. They run it as a show, and are drawing the sponsors, how in the world can that be hurting Walleye fishing? You don't have to buy an RCL boat if you don't want to, You can still fish lots of other circuits!

To play the game one must play by the rules!

[Objectivist]

I used to share your opinion. Go to boat show where there's virtually nothing but RCL & Tracker. 15 dealers all displaying the same boats.
This doesn't strike me as better. That's my $.02

[love them eyes guy]

Yes dealers are going to the lines that they feel will keep them in the game. This is a dealers right, you can still find the dealers that carry the line you are looking for. So this is bad for the TOURS? Just because the boat show you went to was loaded with Genmar products does'nt mean thet are the only game in town.
People out there will still buy a good made product at a fair price! Other companies need to just work harder for there share of the market that all. I see companies figuring out a new game plan now to get some of the market back that they took for granted for to long. New marketing or better products, YOU MUST KEEP UP OR GET LEFT BEHIND these days. This is very good for you and me.
I have choosen not to run a RCL boat, mostly because they do not make a boat that interests me or my needs. So what? So I can't fish the RCL tour! I would buy a RCL product if I really had no other choice, but we do have other choices! The PWT and the MWC are also major tour out there and we can fish them both! So what if you and I can't fish the RCL, "we made that choice"!

[Marble Eyes]

"Support open competition and diversity in boat manufacturers. Support PWT."


BS. Is the PWT not restricting the number of entries in the events and one must apply to enter? Is there not a restriction/requirement as to an applicant must participate in a certain amount on PWT tournaments in a year? Is there not a board that reviews the entries and goes by past results of applicants?

Seems to me what you are railing the RCL for is the same thing the PWT is doing. SETTING GUIDELINES to enter. It appears to me that the PWT is no more letting anyone enter than the RCL is, irregardless of what the reason.

Now what was that you were saying about open competition?

[Boat Shower]

The dealers are the ones who sign up for the shows, pay for the shows, and bring product to them. Some manufacturers re-pay a portion through co op funds, if the dealer qualifies and applies correctly AFTER the show is over. This is true of only some manufacturers who are Genmar and some who are not.
Some dealers just believe in shows more than others not respective to brands.
This has nothing to do with Genmar. Except if you attend a "Genmar Show" at Wal.Mart or Sam's Club, Cabelas, or the one at Canterbury Downs.

[Objectivist]

I'll grant that I don't know anything about what a person must do to
QUALIFY to enter a PWT competition. Being the highest level of competition, I'm not surprised you have to earn a spot. Nobody steps into the top level of any sport w/o having to first qualify. As I understand it, the RCL is FULL now too and has had to implement a similar qualifying procedure.

One thing I do know - if you qualify for the PWT - you can show up in any boat you want and it doesn't have to be less than 2-3 years old or whatever it is RCL requires. The first step to qualify for the RCL is to buy one of their $30,000 to $50,000+ balls. You can't play without one.

The broader walleye boat market has been ravaged by RCL. As an average Joe who prefers more choices rather then less, this is my primary beef.

[Walleye Express]

[b]Gotta lean towards the Objectivist on this one. Are Fishing tounaments about who's the best savvy fisherman anymore? Given all the things happening on these tours, with clique info sharing every day of the tournament, having to have a certain kind of boat, seems it's become an elete get together versus a fair fishing competition that even (average Joe Blow) can win.

And yes, I don't fish any tournaments anymore. Haven't in fact, in years. But they seem to be taking what should be a helping/learning tool for all facits of the fishing life style and making it into a selling tool for the most powerfull. If this is progress, give me back the cane pole.

[Rake]

Walleye Express:

I look forward to the days when you start running charters again...that means you are out fishing and not all over the message board with your lame opinions.

[rod and reel]

>[b]Gotta lean towards the Objectivist on this one. Are
>Fishing tounaments about who's the best savvy fisherman
>anymore? Given all the things happening on these tours, with
>clique info sharing every day of the tournament, having to
>have a certain kind of boat, seems it's become an elete get
>together versus a fair fishing competition that even (average
>Joe Blow) can win.
>
>And yes, I don't fish any tournaments anymore. Haven't in
>fact, in years. But they seem to be taking what should be a
>helping/learning tool for all facits of the fishing life style
>and making it into a selling tool for the most powerfull. If
>this is progress, give me back the cane pole.

Did you lose you cane pole Rake? :)

[Rake]

I have been looking to buy some cane poles but seems that they are all sold out in Michigan...must be a new charter technique.

[Walleye Express]

>I have been looking to buy some cane poles but seems that
>they are all sold out in Michigan...must be a new charter
>technique.

[b]Rake.

If that is your true handle and not some others name/names we have missed for so long on this site. Congratulations. Yours is the first actual test of my New Years resolution. That is, to laugh at all the jabs aimed at me from trouble makers like yourself, when I say exactly and honestly how I feel about a subject. Have a good day my friend.

[Rake]

You are welcome Walleye Express! Maybe a better resolution would have been to keep some of your opinions and feelings to yourself. You are on the tournament board giving your two cents when you don't even fish tournaments, nor do you have any clue about tournaments. To me it looks like an ego problem, you are on here to try to diminish the walleye pros to make yourself look better.

[Walleye Express]

[b]Rake.

Thank you for at least addressing me without the degrading remarks. I have in the past fished tournaments. Fished the very first few that the MWC put on in the 1980's, when they were the only professional tournamnets, as well as several local tournament circuits put on in the Bay area when the walleyes first came back.

I'm sure it may sound to you like I'm blasting something benign to me personally. But in essence it effects everybody who fishes casually or professionally, as I've earned by doing so for the last 20 years.

If this tourney board is only going to be for and about people who only fish tourneys, I'd like somebody in the moderator position to let us know and I will indeed stay off your board. And again sir, have a good....no, great day.

[Raybob]

[b] Kinda like here in Ohio, we have the Sun-Shine Law...

I luv the "Open and Honest" opinions on a public forum like WC ... it kinda gives us old Eye-Guys a lil' peek under the covers, so to speak, along with the younger Eye-Guys enterin' the Sport :)

I for one, believe that you achieve growth n' integrity though openness and listenin' to other thoughts/opinions ... We are not talkin' about the CIA or FBI here :)

[ebijack]

tournaments are supposed to be about who's the best at putting together a constant program with the weather/water conditions...of those that entered the tournament..period!!! your not going to get many fisherfolks who have fished for 60+ yrs on their home waters fishing big name tourney's....only folks who want/have enough vacation time/like all the competition etc and can afford it.
who's the best of the best is a misnomer....local club tourney's would be a better measure if who's best on any given water if that's what your looking for. alot of boat manufactures have their own "owners" tourney's and curcuits so the RCL thing is beyond being a point(it's just another curcuit)...and the PWT has had the "boys club" thing hanging over it's head for many years. IMHO i believe all the tourney's small and large help get us better/safer equipment, better lures etc. thru the testing and talking to manufactures about what's happening or not happening. i believe it's helping and YES it is a selling tool! what sport is not used as a selling tool?
some "teams" are very large and some fish by themselves etc (and if these teams are so powerful then why are they not always on top?)
when money is on the line..you'd be suprised at what goes on that is not general knowledge. but it is GREAT when a true "good guy/gal" wins a tourney. if you like competition and fishing, your probably going to love fishing tourney's no-matter what level your at and what curcuit YOU decide to fish. pick a curcuit or curcuits watch/fish and enjoy! life is short.

[sheer numbers]

I think he was talking about the # of post you have, over 2000 in 10 months. Is there anything you don't know everything about? Just was wondering. I don't think one should coment on the tour when you have not been in the game since the 80's. The game has changed alot since then.

[GR8WTHUNTER]

Ebjack, that is a darn good post. You hit the nail with that one. All the tourneys are good for fishing. The type of talk in this thread and some of the attitudes are not good. We are entering a time where greater exposure is being provided for not just the top two or three circuits. More money is flowing in from non fishing industry than at any other time. The sport of walleye fishing is growing in leaps and bounds. So what if the RCL requires the use of Genmar boats or the PWT becomes more restrictive if they continue to promote and grow the sport. These are the top dogs in the game right now. Their success will open doors and opportunities for other circuits. Lets all play nice and by the rules and have some fun.

[Walleye Express]

>
> I think he was talking about the # of post you have, over
>2000 in 10 months. Is there anything you don't know everything
>about? Just was wondering. I don't think one should coment on
>the tour when you have not been in the game since the 80's.
>The game has changed alot since then.


[b]Sheer Numbers.

Lets see know. March 20th 2002 to January 21st 2004=22 months 21 days, not 10 months....Have a great day.

But your all right this is getting silly. Seems unless you are actually a person participating in any given sport, you should have no opinion on it. Hope all of you will give me a chance in the future to help you in any way I can.

[JLDII]

Rake,

If you are on this tournament board as a tournament fisherman, why don't you use your real name when you come on here instead of as an unregistered user? Are you affraid your sponsors (if you have any) would object to someone representing them acting this way on a public forum? Are you affraid to be dropped for being rude and obnoxious? None of my sponsors would put up with your attitude towards others, that is for sure. The biggest aspect of tournament fishing for any sponsor is the marketing of the product, the company, the pro, and the PUBLIC IMAGE they all combine to make. Treating others as you are Walleye Express just shows you don't have a clue as to what being a "Pro" or "Professional" is.

In other words, you are just another "wanna be", who has no chance.

[JLDII]

ebijack,

Your post was very good. One point you raised about how money can change things reminded me of something my grandfather taught me over 40 years ago.

"If you hold a nickle close enough, you can hide the sun."

In other words, if you focus on the money too hard, you will loose sight of what is really important. That is so true with the conduct of some individuals when they fish tournaments. The bad part is, those people take the enjoyment away from other fishermen as well. That is not what tournaments are supposed to be about.