United Way

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is viciously discriminating against the Boy Scouts,(Simon Kenton council in Ohio), by witholding $500,000 because the Boy Scouts refuse to sign a "non discrimination" pledge which would force them to allow g ay scoutmasters to go camping with the Scouts. United Way claims to support the Scouts yet pulls this stuff. The United Way needs to be hit in the pocket book next time they ask, (strong arm?), you for money.

[Tyee Guy]

I have annually had monies deducted from my paycheck, as had my wife....We contacted UW regarding this issue, and were assured tha the monies to the Boy Scouts excluded this issue...If it passes, then more money for CP and Special Olympics........

[Tourney Fan]

This has been going on for 2+ years. At first I just designated 100% of my donation to Boy Scouts, now the UW get zero. I don't believe for one minute that my donation were staying in MY community anymore.

I just drop a check off at the local homeless shelter here in town. I know for sure the money is staying local and almost all of it goes to the needy, not some corporate a-hole in New York!

[Sportdog]

I can't remember the source but the percentage of dollars that made it to the different organizations of the United Way was not very good. I give only to organizations with a proven track record of being good stewards with the money they receive from donations. Local is GOOD! Having said that, the blessing is in the giving and those giving from the heart are truly blessed. IMHO

[vetspet.ind]

united way rates among the top agencies that the monies you give go to corporate employees of united way...not to the people your donations were intended to reach....there has been much research by many watchdog agencies about the inefficiencies of what united way does with its monies received...steve heckler...give to your local red cross....local churchs...local ymca...boy scouts....almost all of these and many others are more honorable than united way with the monies they receive...

[gpbrown]

The place I work has an anual campaign for charitable contributions that is handled by the United Way. You can give to hundreds of different organizations. One year(the last) I gave $5 a pay and selected Ducks Unlimited to receive my contributions. Several months later I got a thank you from the sickle cell anemia foundation thanking me for my contribution. I called UW and they told me that DU had already reached their contribution level, as established by UW, and they selected another charity for me. Needless to say I was a bit peeved. As stated before give to local charities to be assured $ is going to what you want.

[Scoutmaster]

The United Way made their decision, I made mine. I now donate directly to Boy Scouts of America.

[Shep]

I did the same Scoutmaster. United Way lost me when they decided to become PC. I give directly to the Boy Scouts ever since.

Tight Lines All,

Shep

[jake]

call your local bsa district office and ask them for the address to send contributions. if you make you check to the local district council, friends of scouting your money will stay home and you may qualify for a nice gift depending on the level of your donation.


"ya' don't need a weathervane to know which way the wind blows"

[CJHughes]

Back in 1978 I was informed by the local foreman at the GM plant that I worked at that I would have to give my fair share to UW (I had just got out of the USMC and was real sick of people telling me what I had to do ). After I put my 90 days in to join the union I told them to take me off of the UW . They GM used every strong arm method know trying to force me to contribute . Finally my foreman gave 1 dollar a year in my name so we had 100% in our plant . Screw UW give it to RedCross or DU or something direct . I will never forget what( GM ) ask myself and another man when we told them we wanted our UW to stop ( what is the matter is it cutting into your drinking money )Screw UW .OH yea I already said that .

[bigfish1965]

It's amazing to me that so many people have the neanderthal mentality that still allows them to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.Can't believe some of you can still tie your own shoes.

[OK then..]

I'm not certain that potential pedophilia is the heart of the equation here, simply urges.

Applying your logic, you'd have no issue with a male scoutmaster taking your 16 year old daughter camping - right?

[Shep]

I don't see any mention of pedophilia in any of these posts. What I do see is the realization that UW is pushing it's views on contributors. Your money would be better spent by giving directly to a given charity. UW uses most of it's contributions to pay salaries of it's employees. I bet most of us would love to have the annual salary of the top peeps at UW.

As far as the stance on scoutmaster lifestyle choice, it's not so much that I'd be worried about physical assault. I'd be more worried about the metal assault and the push to alternative lifestyles. Bad enough our kids get that in the schools.

Tight Lines All,

Shep

[bob oh]

It's amazing to me that so many people have the neanderthal mentality to make unlogical jumps to conclusions not supported by anything other than their opinion!!! Works both ways huh :-) But you are much more PC in your statement that is for sure.
By the way, I don't care about the controversy, just don't like PC statements.....

rod bender bob

[bigfish1965]

If I have to let my 16 year old daughter be taught and supervised on school trips by her male teachers, what's the difference?
This isn't about PC either, it's about common sense.
We had a female Scout leader when I was a kid...no one screamed about that.

[Therapist]

BF you are seriously ignorant about this issue.

If the boy scouts bend to this pressure it will be the end of the boy scouts and they know it. No one with a lick of sense would allow their boys to be in the boy scouts knowing that gays were involved as leaders. I would never let my sons darken the door of a boy scout meeting again if a gay person was a leader. No I am not a "homophobe" I just know serious danger when I see it.

[bigfish1965]

Danger? Really. What danger might that be? Maybe that he'll find out that you can't judge a book by it's cover? That maybe you have to live with all kinds of people in the world and that he'll find out that his father's narrow view of the world isn't anything more than opinion?
How do you know that your current scoutmaster isn't gay, anyway? They don't all wear a dress and saunter, you know. I work with several gays, some obvious, some I had no clue. One of our officers is 6'6" and over 300 pounds of mountain. When I met his date at one of the company parties I was never more surprised in my life. Many of the women at work were heartbroken to find out.
Your son is more likely to be abused by a straight person than a gay.

[CJHughes]

Unless you have seen it with your own eyes you will never understand what it does to a young mans mind to be abused by a older man whom you trusted . My best bud growing up never ever got over it . They say he is out west somewhere homeless and living on the street at 48 years old . He was a eagle scout , 4 years in the USMC and 3 years in the Army .Never was the same after he went to the Boy Scout Jamboree I think he was 15 years old when it happen .Yea I guess I don't agree with you bigfish .

[esoxlucius]

Ignorance rears it's ugly head once again.
A pedophile is a person who targets prepubescent children. That is children who have't reached the age of puberty. I figured that since I had to explain what a pedophile was I'd probably need to explain prepubescent as well.
Are you trying to say pedophilia is allright? And that those who refuse to tolerate it are out of line?
Anybody who attempts to try to frame the discussion by questioning the motives of those who would prevent these sexual predators is a bonifide fool and apparantly inflicted with some mental illness, or a ped themselves for only one who is mentally ill or a ped themselves would justify pedophilia by questioning the motives of those who would prevent this sort of predation.
Same with the h omosexual issue. It's common knowledge that many if not most gay men are pederasts-as opposed to pedophiles. You want to pretend that's not true? Just ask the catholic church. So, what was the percentage of h omosexual priests who were busted, were busted for targetting young boys? Answer? 100%. All of them. You think that the h omosexual priests entered the priesthood for any other reason than masking their h omosexuality and providing opportunities to assault young boys? Only a fool would. Do you think that h omosexual scoutmasters are't there for the same reason? Again, only a fool would.
I notice that those who criticise the catholic church for not doing enough to prevent h omosexual predations on it's young male adherents by h omosexual priests, are also the same ilk who criticise the Boy Scouts for trying to prevent this same predation.
So we have ignorance and hypocrisy, a rather common combo for those with a perverse and twisted agenda.

[CJHughes]

I heard Larry Flint wants to be a Girl Scout Master , nothing wrong with that either , Right BigFish . Let me explain it this way Common sense tells me I don't want Ex-President Bill Clinton babysitting my teenage daughter nor do I want gay men camping with my teenage son . Are you sure your not from California not Canada Eh .

[Weyes1]

My post got dusted! ;(

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Weyes1
Kevin Clark
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[esoxlucius]

Those who crticise the BSA for not allowing sodomite influences and foist the notion they are no threat, are the same ilk that criticise they catholic church for allowing that very thing with predictable results. The stand by the Scouts should be praised while the policy of the catholic church condemned.