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Walleyeman
03-10-2004, 11:24 AM
Do you think that being a member increases the chances of becoming sponsored. I mean do companies within the industry look more favorably on tournament anglers that are part of the NPAA?
No. It does absolutly nothing for your sponsorships. I've been a member for 4 years, and I've never even had a sponsor ask about it...most don't even know what the NPAA is.
No. It does absolutly nothing for your sponsorships. I've been a member for 4 years, and I've never even had a sponsor ask about it...most don't even know what the NPAA is.
I just re-read my post, and it sounds more negative than I ment it to. I should have added...You should join the NPAA for other reasons (read the NPAA charter to see). If you join with the intent of it having a big impact on sponsorships, you'll be disapointed.
I just re-read my post, and it sounds more negative than I ment it to. I should have added...You should join the NPAA for other reasons (read the NPAA charter to see). If you join with the intent of it having a big impact on sponsorships, you'll be disapointed.
warrior
03-10-2004, 01:32 PM
I was a member of the former npaa and let my membership lapse. I don't have anything negative to say about them but don't have anything positive to say either. I just had no reason to join again. The general idea of the organization is great but the organization leaves you with a feeling that your left out. Not to cry and complain that I'm being ignored but to say that more should be offered for a guy to get involved with. I know from running a walleye club my self with a small board of guy's that, people want to get involve with the organization on a hands on. It would be great to have a member's only get together. Or something along those lines. I respect the guy's in the top 100 and would like to get closer tothem to see how they go about raising their sponsorship funds. As for npaa as a tool for getting money from companies your track record does more than they could ever do for you. Getting in the public in self promotion and helping the community with programs for kid's. Sponsoring a guy is an avertising tool not from the bottum of their hearts. Or a npaa number
warrior
03-10-2004, 01:32 PM
I was a member of the former npaa and let my membership lapse. I don't have anything negative to say about them but don't have anything positive to say either. I just had no reason to join again. The general idea of the organization is great but the organization leaves you with a feeling that your left out. Not to cry and complain that I'm being ignored but to say that more should be offered for a guy to get involved with. I know from running a walleye club my self with a small board of guy's that, people want to get involve with the organization on a hands on. It would be great to have a member's only get together. Or something along those lines. I respect the guy's in the top 100 and would like to get closer tothem to see how they go about raising their sponsorship funds. As for npaa as a tool for getting money from companies your track record does more than they could ever do for you. Getting in the public in self promotion and helping the community with programs for kid's. Sponsoring a guy is an avertising tool not from the bottum of their hearts. Or a npaa number
Kristin Landahl
03-10-2004, 02:16 PM
Walleyeman,
I invite you to go to the NPAA website and ask questions regarding the NPAA and its membership there. You will be able to get answer from members. Also, feel free to drop me an e-mail and I would be glad to answer any questions you have regarding the NPAA or refer you to Board members who may be able to assist you.
Kristin Landahl
HalfSwedeInc@aol.com
npaa@npaa.net
Kristin Landahl
03-10-2004, 02:16 PM
Walleyeman,
I invite you to go to the NPAA website and ask questions regarding the NPAA and its membership there. You will be able to get answer from members. Also, feel free to drop me an e-mail and I would be glad to answer any questions you have regarding the NPAA or refer you to Board members who may be able to assist you.
Kristin Landahl
HalfSwedeInc@aol.com
npaa@npaa.net
Juls_OH
03-10-2004, 03:08 PM
The new NPAA has plenty of opportunity for everyone to get more involved. In fact, there are several committees that could still use some help.
If you're a member, just go to the "members only" area of the site, and you will find the links you need to get involved more.
Juls
Juls_OH
03-10-2004, 03:08 PM
The new NPAA has plenty of opportunity for everyone to get more involved. In fact, there are several committees that could still use some help.
If you're a member, just go to the "members only" area of the site, and you will find the links you need to get involved more.
Juls
early007
03-10-2004, 03:11 PM
I'm a little confused about the structure of NPAA. Why are there groups that are seperate? 1-100 and 101-999. I understand that they call 1-100 Touring pros and 101-999 registered pros, but what is the difference and what tour do you have to fish? Do you have to fish the PWT or RCL? What if someone fishes the Bassmaster tour? Is he a touring pro? How about other circuits? Is there a difference between the benefits that #1 and #101 reveive? I looked the website over and saw nothing explaining the difference. I figured that you pros might be able to answer this. I'm just curious. Thanks.
early007
03-10-2004, 03:11 PM
I'm a little confused about the structure of NPAA. Why are there groups that are seperate? 1-100 and 101-999. I understand that they call 1-100 Touring pros and 101-999 registered pros, but what is the difference and what tour do you have to fish? Do you have to fish the PWT or RCL? What if someone fishes the Bassmaster tour? Is he a touring pro? How about other circuits? Is there a difference between the benefits that #1 and #101 reveive? I looked the website over and saw nothing explaining the difference. I figured that you pros might be able to answer this. I'm just curious. Thanks.
nothing
03-10-2004, 03:45 PM
There is no difference between the two groups other than money. The numbers 1-100 have to pay the previous number owner a bunch of money to get the number. Sometimes they sell for $2K-$3K or more. Also, the dues for the 1-100 are higher. It has become a "prestige" thing to have a higher number, but it really means nothing. The requirements to have one of those numbers, sounds like a big deal, but the enforcement is weak at best...In 2002, an amateur bought a top 100 number without ever having captained a boat in a tournament. He claimed to be a "guide" as well, but the truth was he wasn't. He ended up fishing the pro side of the PWT West for one division and then quit, yet he had the number for 2 years.
nothing
03-10-2004, 03:45 PM
There is no difference between the two groups other than money. The numbers 1-100 have to pay the previous number owner a bunch of money to get the number. Sometimes they sell for $2K-$3K or more. Also, the dues for the 1-100 are higher. It has become a "prestige" thing to have a higher number, but it really means nothing. The requirements to have one of those numbers, sounds like a big deal, but the enforcement is weak at best...In 2002, an amateur bought a top 100 number without ever having captained a boat in a tournament. He claimed to be a "guide" as well, but the truth was he wasn't. He ended up fishing the pro side of the PWT West for one division and then quit, yet he had the number for 2 years.
Pat C.
03-10-2004, 04:55 PM
Nothing,
You are way off base here.
First, you need to fish a tournament circuit or tour with a championship to be a Touring Pro. Species does not matter.
Second, you need to be a registered pro for at least two years before you can purchase a Touring Pro number when one is available.
Third, your price for purchase is high, at least compared to what they generally go for. However, a number sells for whatever the seller can get.
Fourth, who is this mystery "guide" who qualified to purchase Touring Pro number without fishing a circuit that had a championship and without being a registered pro for at least two years.
Fifth, the enforcement is not weak, it is quite strong now.
And finally, have you been dealing with the current Board of Directors and the Management Group? These are professional people with a lot on their respective plates. They are working to right a ship that was set off course by the previous management. They are doing a bang-up job and are starting to make some great strides to bring an ever increasing level of professionalism to tournament fishing. Just note the Youth events at the PWT and RCL events this season. These will be superb opportunities for all involved to get plenty of media and show the kids a little about what a professional angler is all about.
The NPAA is a positive association with a positive message.The days of it being an "old boys" network are over!
Pat C.
Pat C.
03-10-2004, 04:55 PM
Nothing,
You are way off base here.
First, you need to fish a tournament circuit or tour with a championship to be a Touring Pro. Species does not matter.
Second, you need to be a registered pro for at least two years before you can purchase a Touring Pro number when one is available.
Third, your price for purchase is high, at least compared to what they generally go for. However, a number sells for whatever the seller can get.
Fourth, who is this mystery "guide" who qualified to purchase Touring Pro number without fishing a circuit that had a championship and without being a registered pro for at least two years.
Fifth, the enforcement is not weak, it is quite strong now.
And finally, have you been dealing with the current Board of Directors and the Management Group? These are professional people with a lot on their respective plates. They are working to right a ship that was set off course by the previous management. They are doing a bang-up job and are starting to make some great strides to bring an ever increasing level of professionalism to tournament fishing. Just note the Youth events at the PWT and RCL events this season. These will be superb opportunities for all involved to get plenty of media and show the kids a little about what a professional angler is all about.
The NPAA is a positive association with a positive message.The days of it being an "old boys" network are over!
Pat C.
mystery
03-10-2004, 05:37 PM
The "mystery" guide was Gary Stewart from South Dakota. He did have a regisered pro number for 2 years (while he fished as an am in the PWT). Then, he purchased a number in the 30's before he EVER fished a PWT event as a pro. He also claimed to be a guide on Lake Francis Case.
Does this take some of the mystery out of it for you?
Pat C.
03-10-2004, 06:08 PM
Mystery,
He is also no longer a Touring Pro.
Pat C.
mystery
03-10-2004, 06:15 PM
I know he's no longer a touring pro...The point is, he became a touring pro for two years without doing anything other than buying the number. This fact supports the assertion made in a previuos post that there is no difference between the being a "touring pro" and a "registered pro".
Juls_OH
03-10-2004, 11:51 PM
There is only one difference between the two groups that I know of (other than the qualifications for a spot in the top 100), and that is that the top 100 have the voting rights. The board members are voted in, and work their butts off for a predetermined length of time, (I'm not sure what that time frame is...maybe a year?), and then they can decide to run again if they want. Then the top 100 vote for that person, or for someone else that has been nominated for the position, when their seat on the board becomes available again.
I think that's the only difference. Oh wait, the top 100 get their pictures and a short resume in the NPAA printed Directory, and on the NPAA website too.
Juls
Johnnie Candle
03-11-2004, 06:53 AM
We are currently working on establising the differences bewtweenthe two groups of NPAA anglers. For the mebers out there that would like to help, please see the posts in the members only section. The mebers committee is working on a questionaire so the members can help define what they want the top 100 to be and what tey would like the 101-999 to be.
This is a chance for all the members to take part in the direction of this organization. I would prefer not to air our laundry so to speak on this site, but to do it in our members only section. All input willbe given consideration.
Thanks. By the way, I am the Chairman of the Members Committee, if anyone ever has any questions, just drop me a line.
Eyecrosser
03-11-2004, 07:29 AM
Can someone give the web address? I'd like to check it out. Thanks a lot.
Juls_OH
03-11-2004, 08:11 AM
http://www.npaa.net
early007
03-11-2004, 02:16 PM
How do you decide who gets a 1-100 #? When one becomes available does it go to the 101-999 that has been there the longest or is it voted upon? If it is seniority so to speak, is there a published list of seniority for the 101-999s? If it is voted upon I would think there could be favoritism. Seems like there should be an increase in the touring pros with so many of them out there now. I am not a member so this is just an observation.
buyit
03-11-2004, 02:47 PM
You just buy the # from the person giving it up. You still must meet the requirements. Other than that any touring pro can buy a #.
Kristin Landahl
03-11-2004, 03:13 PM
If anybody has any questions regarding the NPAA, NPAA policy or anything at all to do with the NPAA I welcome you to check out the NPAA website and feel free to contact me via phone or e-mail.
I will be more than happy to help answer your questions regarding the NPAA.
Kristin Landahl
HalfSwedeInc@aol.com
npaa@npaa.net
Why limit it to just 100? Why not let any body who is qualifed to be a touring pro be registered as one? Wouldn't the NPAA be better off trying to grow there top membership levels instead of limiting it to 100 touring members? Giving more people a voice in the NPAA and a vote seems to me would only make it stronger. I agree that you should still have to qualify by serving a period of time as a registered member but when you have served your 2 years (or what ever time it is) I think it would make more sense to let some one pay the higher fees and become a full member. By my way of thinking that there is more strength in numbers. It looks to me that the NPAA is starting to do some good things and this post is not intended to start a fight,I was just wondering if this has ever been talked about. Thanks
goodpoint
03-11-2004, 04:06 PM
Lane,
That's a very good point, and one that I have struggled with all along. I don't understand the elitest mentality that is in place here. The only reason guys want to get a top 100 number is because it makes them feel as if they've "made it". In reality, there are a lot of top guys from 101-999 that just don't want to spend $2K-$3K just to look important. And to take it further, there are a lot of top guys that protest this elitism by not even becoming a member.
It may not be intented this way, but many of the guys in 101-999 feel like they are being looked down upon, and even being taken advantage of. This is the fundamental reason that you hear a lot of the guys in 101-999 that don't feel included.
early007
03-11-2004, 04:47 PM
That was what I was getting at. Good point.
Pat C.
03-11-2004, 05:07 PM
Good points indeed. By the tone of your posts its seems as though you are all concerned NPAA members, otherwise what is the reason for so much interest. Possibly, you should post this information on their website and discuss it there. None of the NPAA issues will be addressed and resolved here as far as I can tell.
Pat C.
My post was in no way written with the intent of bashing the NPAA. I am not a member but I do have a interest in it just because of the good it can do for the sport. I think the new programs that are geared towards youth and promoting this sport are a great idea. If our sport is to grow we need to get youth included.
I understand buy the tone of your last post why you might be skeptical about my prevoise post the NPAA has been bashed a lot by some people. Some of it might have been true but I suspect most of it isn't. To me it sure sounds like a new organization. But one of the ways for new people to find this out is by talking about here and on other sites and not just on the designated NPAA site. The people at that site are all ready believers of your group I would think that you would want to bring your message to as many people as possible.
I fish a couple of local tournements a year. I don't really think that the NPAA is some thing that I need yet. But I do support it by being a fan of professional fishing and I think that we need to do a better job of promoting our sport at a local, regional and professional level. Hey if poker can be seen on ESPN all day every day why can't we get some thing like that going. I would love to see the PWT and the RCL at least once a week on ESPN. Instead of trying to cruise around the dial on a Saturday or Sunday morning hoping to find it. Thanks.
come on man
03-11-2004, 06:22 PM
Pat,
If you are trying to get non-members to join and further the organization. I don't think refusing to discuss these issues will help. There have been some good questions raised here by non-members...Just telling everyone to stop discussing this and go to the "members only" site totally alienates us non-members, and you are perpetuating the very image that I think the NPAA should be trying to change, elitism. That's not very different from telling guys in 101-999, "Your vote doesn't count. If you want it to count, become one of the elite top-pros, otherwise, just keep paying your dues and shut up".
As Lane said, he wants both sides of the story, and he wont get that if he only talks to NPAA advocates...Let him hear both sides of the story, and make his own determination.
I am thinking of joining the NPAA, but the comments from the "members" I've seen on this board are making me think twice...
early007
03-11-2004, 08:58 PM
I thought this might be a good place to post some questions for active NPAA members since they do frequent this board. Since I'm not a member I don't think it is my place to post on the NPAA members site. Like I said before I was just curious of the structure of the club. It seems counter productive that all members don't have equal say in the operations of the club. The top 100 seem to have all the voting power. I'm definately in favor of the programs that they are working on. I think this club is moving in the right direction with their efforts. But it just seems strange that they would have such an exclusive group within the NPAA.
Jason Erlandson