View Full Version : PWT pro DQ'd at Winnecone
I heard someone was DQ'd after the checks were handed out...Apparently he tried to "stretch" a fish.
Who was it and what's your source? I think that is public knowledge.
The PWT sent out an email to all pros today telling of the incident. It said the pro was turned in by his am, and DQ'd for the entire season. The message left out any names...
Absolutely perfect
04-29-2004, 05:13 PM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow.
Curious
04-29-2004, 11:15 PM
You obviously know who was DQ'd. I am curious (as is anyone who reads this post) who it is. I was in a Tournament in Saskatchewan quite a few years ago, and there were 2 of today's PWT pro's that were DQ'd from that tournament for keeping fish that were in the slot when measured at the scale (you had to release fish between 22 and 27.5 inches). I wonder if one of these same guys tried to "stretch" their fish again? I'm sure it will get out in the open anyway, so why not cut the suspense and tell us now.
Fishin Magician
04-30-2004, 06:05 AM
Initials of the person would do.
TYEEE
04-30-2004, 06:17 AM
There are a lot of tournaments out there and I sure don't want to be fishing alongside a cheater! Names PLEASE..... or rather can it be confirmed that all the other tournament directors have been notified of this person?
Good Luck
Tyee
Marble Eyes
04-30-2004, 06:42 AM
What/how do you stretch a fish?
Man, call me nieve! :)
Email from PWT
"After Winneconne, an amateur partner reported an action that took
place in his boat. The pro admitted the incident. It involved an attempt to stretch a walleye. The pro was disqualified and the prize money was forfeited. The respective pros below him will be moved up to (and paid) the appropriate amounts. He will not fish any more PWT tournaments this season."
By pulling on it's head and tail to seperate it's vertebrae, I would imagine.
Eyez
wingnut4
04-30-2004, 09:51 AM
Well, were down to 40 if he cashed a check.
sleuth
04-30-2004, 09:57 AM
We're down to 39, since it was mentioned that people below would move up.
PWT WEB
04-30-2004, 09:59 AM
I checked the PWT website and looked at the standings. They haven't taken anyone out and put them on the bottome with a DQ yet.
Eyehound
04-30-2004, 11:53 AM
If this is true, and there was an admission of guilt,
the accused should step forward and set
the record straight. An appology is in order.
Every angler in the top 40 is now a suspected
cheater. The P.W.T. and all of it's sponsors
should be demanding that this person come
forward or be banned from the P.W.T. All
other major tournament circuits should be
notified of such an incident!.x(
Absolutely perfect
04-30-2004, 12:29 PM
If this guy steps forward with an apology I will be VERY surprised. Only one guy cheated ( and broke at least one other major rule), the rest have nothing to worry about.
A whole bunch of people know who it is. It'll come out eventually.
Eyez
Jigging 5
04-30-2004, 01:48 PM
I really don't care who it was but, being DQ'd for the season is not enough punishment! Should be banned from all tournament fishing for life!!!!! He is a cheater and can never be trusted as a tournament angler. If he does things of this nature tournament fishing, I wonder what kind of person he is outside of fishing? Sportsmanship = respect. He is sure to loose all the respect he once had.....
People do change, I don't think that being caught cheating once should result in lifetime banning from fishing a tournament, but if you develop a reputation as a cheater, it certainly should.
Eyez
Police
04-30-2004, 03:40 PM
Not only did this person cheat, but by cashing a check he became a thief. He stole money that some other rule abiding angler did not win!
hang em high
04-30-2004, 03:57 PM
>Not only did this person cheat, but by cashing a check he
>became a thief. He stole money that some other rule abiding
>angler did not win!
:(
Every second that the PWT allows to pass without revealing the identity of the violator (And I stress, he is a violator, not just accused, since admitting to the misdeed), the circut and all that are associated with it loose credibility. The other Pros should be up in arms over this, and demand FULL disclosure. Let's GO!!!
Walleye expert
04-30-2004, 04:06 PM
Perhaps he will be charged with fraud as well. I am sure alot of cheating goes on that is unreported by the co.
Dutchman
04-30-2004, 04:13 PM
Depending on the laws of Wisconsin the accused may be in legal bind. Depending on the size of the check may make a difference as to the level of charges brought forth. The fish in question is gone, so for the state to enforce a minimum slot charge would be impossible. But do to implication of fruadulently accepting money's the PWT probly won't be able to say anything regarding this issue.
"Fishing is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope"
sevenmmm
04-30-2004, 04:57 PM
No slot or size limit in the Winnebago system Dutch.
scooter
04-30-2004, 05:28 PM
It is amazing how many unregisterd users are ready to jump on something and yet still no name, makes me think that there are alot of people trying to bad mouth the PWT but wont put there names behind it. I think it was 20 to 10 posts as far as scared non registerd rabbits to men. If some one did get DQ dont hide behind a unregisterd name or be man enough to post your name so the average Joe can put some creditbility to your post.
wow did that just come from me
scooter
perchjerker
04-30-2004, 05:38 PM
You tell em Scoot!!!
sevenmmm
04-30-2004, 05:45 PM
Yep, I agree with scooter! :-)
There is a name missing from the PWT Pro Results page, so it appears the rumor is more than that. This amateur partner should be praised for his morality and bravery, and the PWT commended for such fast action.
CHEATERS NEVER PROSPER!!!!!!!
If you look at the PWT's live leaderboard & the PWT results under that tourney you will see it doesn't quite match up.
did he lose his weight for the day...or a full DQ
comparing the leaderboard results on w/c against the results on the pwt site, there looks to be a difference in the standings between 20th thru 25th places. come to your own conclusions.
T-Todd
04-30-2004, 08:27 PM
Now that we know who it is lets make sure this guy is banned from ALL tournament fishing! We had the same thing happen at a WWA tourney last year and that guy is pretty much Black-Balled from even some of the smaller tourneys! This guy had a lot of guts trying to pull this off considering who his am partner was!I hope as he reads these posts he realizes that not only was he cheating in That tourney,but giving all the rest of us hard working HONEST tournament a Bad name.Hope he gets what he"s got coming to him.......
T-Todd
04-30-2004, 08:27 PM
Now that we know who it is lets make sure this guy is banned from ALL tournament fishing! We had the same thing happen at a WWA tourney last year and that guy is pretty much Black-Balled from even some of the smaller tourneys! This guy had a lot of guts trying to pull this off considering who his am partner was!I hope as he reads these posts he realizes that not only was he cheating in That tourney,but giving all the rest of us hard working HONEST tournament a Bad name.Hope he gets what he"s got coming to him.......
Curious
04-30-2004, 10:06 PM
After reading the posts since mine, I'm pretty sure I figured out who it was. I don't know why people don't want to post his name, but it is easy to figure out by looking at the Live Leaderboard (the following Link) http://www.liveleaderboard.com/llb.asp?t=126
and the In-Fisherman PWT Pro Results (the following Link)
http://www.in-fisherman.com/pwt/tournaments/04Winneconneproresults/
pages and finding that someone is missing. 23rd place on the Live Leaderboard ends up in 62nd place on the PWT Results Page after they change his day three weight to "0". That angler's picture is on www.walleyeusa.com I'm not saying he's the guilty party, but it certainly fits what everyone is posting here. Just thought those of you that were wondering would like this info.
By the way, he is not one of the two PWT Pro's that were DQ'd in the tournament I was in up in Saskatchewan years ago.
Wallygetter
05-01-2004, 05:39 AM
I've been trying to figure out what this guy was thinking or trying to accomplish. He already had a decent check,and buy trying to strecth this fish it seems it would harm the fish or kill it so he would lose weight anyway with a dead fish, or one that couldn't pass at the bump tank, so unless it was a huge fish, which I can't believe it was since he was trying to make it a 1/4 inch or less larger what was there to gain? I can't understand why anyone would even want to take a chance at cheating in the first place,cheaters never win in the long run, and only give tournaments bad publicity which we all know we don't need or want in the first place. He got what was coming to him, and is probably done fishing tournaments for good, which is the way it should be. To bad it happened, but it just shows what happens when they try to cheat, you never win and often lose everything you have.
Wallygetter
05-01-2004, 05:39 AM
I've been trying to figure out what this guy was thinking or trying to accomplish. He already had a decent check,and buy trying to strecth this fish it seems it would harm the fish or kill it so he would lose weight anyway with a dead fish, or one that couldn't pass at the bump tank, so unless it was a huge fish, which I can't believe it was since he was trying to make it a 1/4 inch or less larger what was there to gain? I can't understand why anyone would even want to take a chance at cheating in the first place,cheaters never win in the long run, and only give tournaments bad publicity which we all know we don't need or want in the first place. He got what was coming to him, and is probably done fishing tournaments for good, which is the way it should be. To bad it happened, but it just shows what happens when they try to cheat, you never win and often lose everything you have.
T-Todd
05-01-2004, 05:46 AM
Curious,after looking at that website it looks like he thought he actually got away with cheating.I bet that smile is no longer on his face.I am sure Patriot Boats is just thrilled that he did this.....
Curious
05-01-2004, 05:59 AM
I don't know the details of the situation, but it sure was a STUPID thing for him to do. I posted the link to the walleyeusa website because it makes you wonder if he cheated with that big fish too...added some weights to it's belly...probably not, but it casts a nasty shadow of doubt on any accomplishments that he has EVER done in the fishing world and elsewhere. The sad thing is that he's more than likely not the only person that has cheated, or tried to cheat in these tournaments. Kudo's to the amateur partner for having the guts to turn him in.
On another note, I noticed that the 39th reply post on this subject is missing. I wonder if it was deleted due to posting his name or something?
His name was up here for a moment and then disapeared. I've heard of him but don't know him.
Gilligan
05-01-2004, 08:33 AM
I think the PWT's format of an amateur partner in the boat works well to deter someone from cheating. Again what I feel is an even better deterrent to cheating with anyone with an IQ over 50 would be the loss of your reputation and sponsors. Yes, cheating happens from the smallest to largest of tournaments but I think it is the exception rather than the norm especially with someone in the boat that the pro dosen't know. Good job to the amateur partner and the call to DQ by the PWT.
Zappa
05-01-2004, 10:45 AM
Holy Cow people! You've judged, condemmed and hung an entire profession based on the actions of one. Pro fishermen are no different than any other slice of live, there are good ones and bad ones. Just because somone has the where withall to buy the title of pro doesn't mean the intergity comes with it. As Granpap used to say "what do you get when you sober up a drunken horse thief? A sober horse thief" This man seems to have not been of the highest moral fiber before buying the totle "pro" and it shows. Not all pros are of the same stripe.
Zappa
05-01-2004, 10:45 AM
Holy Cow people! You've judged, condemmed and hung an entire profession based on the actions of one. Pro fishermen are no different than any other slice of live, there are good ones and bad ones. Just because somone has the where withall to buy the title of pro doesn't mean the intergity comes with it. As Granpap used to say "what do you get when you sober up a drunken horse thief? A sober horse thief" This man seems to have not been of the highest moral fiber before buying the totle "pro" and it shows. Not all pros are of the same stripe.
A friend of MIFISH
05-01-2004, 02:10 PM
To Curious,
A BIG Thank-you kind Sir'
I went to your 2 sites and saw who was dropped from 20 something to 60 something after getting a BIGFAT 0 on the 3rd day. It didn't take too many brains cells to figure it out based on your 2 links. Betcha both the PWT and the Cheater are spending BIG BUCKS for legal advice. Whatever happens the general walleye public won't hear much about it. This walleye cheating crap is wrapped up tight in a nice neat bundle and stored in the same place as the JFK assasination details due to judicial gags so both parties don't have to wash their dirty sheets in public. "I can't talk about the cheating decision because the judge told me NOT TO" is the standard phrase that people hide behind when stuff like this happens. Makes me sick to my stomach when a public tax paid judicial system gags decisions between mutual agreeing parties in situations like this .....brings new meaning to the word "democracy."
I take my hat off to the AMATEUR who turned the PRO in the "Walleye Authorities". Must have been a sleepless night decision? Hats off buddy, you did the right thing no matter what people say. You have my respect. I hate cheaters and will go to my grave hating cheaters and people who support cheaters.
saugeyemarc
05-02-2004, 12:13 PM
I agree with Zappa. Don't judge the other pro's or the PWT by the actions of one angler. In every barrel of apples there's always a possibility that one is rotten
saugeyemarc
05-02-2004, 12:13 PM
I agree with Zappa. Don't judge the other pro's or the PWT by the actions of one angler. In every barrel of apples there's always a possibility that one is rotten
Add to that
05-02-2004, 10:15 PM
If it is who I think it is, the guy has no affiliation with his boat manufacturer anymore. He didn't have that affiliation for some time now, well before this incident.
Add to that
05-02-2004, 10:15 PM
If it is who I think it is, the guy has no affiliation with his boat manufacturer anymore. He didn't have that affiliation for some time now, well before this incident.
Oh I see
05-03-2004, 06:37 AM
Nice backpeddling from an obvious Patriot person. I bet Patriot would have jumped for joy if he won.
Oh I see
05-03-2004, 06:37 AM
Nice backpeddling from an obvious Patriot person. I bet Patriot would have jumped for joy if he won.
Add to that
05-03-2004, 06:53 AM
You base your knowledge on what? Patriot has repeatedly said that they have ONE guy on the PWT trail, and that guy is Larry Smith. There are other guys who own Patriots that fish the PWT, who USED to be pro staffers. What is your hidden beef with Patriot?
Add to that
05-03-2004, 06:53 AM
You base your knowledge on what? Patriot has repeatedly said that they have ONE guy on the PWT trail, and that guy is Larry Smith. There are other guys who own Patriots that fish the PWT, who USED to be pro staffers. What is your hidden beef with Patriot?
WisCharles
05-03-2004, 06:58 AM
It isn't right to throw Larry Smith into this just because he runs the same boat as the culprit. Larry has nothing to do with the incident. I feel that the PWT should be more open in releasing the name of the individual in question because other people are getting a bad rap because of him. I know who it is, and it certainly isn't Larry Smith. Anyone who does know Larry knows he wouldn't do anything like that to begin with. With all the fish he was catching during the tournament he certainly didn't need to stretch any fish to make it work.
WisCharles
05-03-2004, 06:58 AM
It isn't right to throw Larry Smith into this just because he runs the same boat as the culprit. Larry has nothing to do with the incident. I feel that the PWT should be more open in releasing the name of the individual in question because other people are getting a bad rap because of him. I know who it is, and it certainly isn't Larry Smith. Anyone who does know Larry knows he wouldn't do anything like that to begin with. With all the fish he was catching during the tournament he certainly didn't need to stretch any fish to make it work.
Add to that
05-03-2004, 07:28 AM
It was never my intent to throw larry Into this. Larry is a fine man and I never meant to impune him. If I did, I am sorry.
The whole point was the boat didn't do the offense. The other fellow clearly has an axe to grind with either Patriot or any boat manufacturer, or sponsorships in general. Or he is just bitter towards tournaments and chose this thread to rail on us all.
The boat, and now Larry, should never have been an issue in this topic, and for dragging a fine individual and a good angler into the mess, I again apologize.
Add to that
05-03-2004, 07:28 AM
It was never my intent to throw larry Into this. Larry is a fine man and I never meant to impune him. If I did, I am sorry.
The whole point was the boat didn't do the offense. The other fellow clearly has an axe to grind with either Patriot or any boat manufacturer, or sponsorships in general. Or he is just bitter towards tournaments and chose this thread to rail on us all.
The boat, and now Larry, should never have been an issue in this topic, and for dragging a fine individual and a good angler into the mess, I again apologize.