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helpme
08-12-2002, 02:58 PM
I was told you can not have any beer or liquor in boat $200.00 fine is there any truth to this? leaving for 1st fly-in tommorrow.
helpme
08-12-2002, 02:58 PM
I was told you can not have any beer or liquor in boat $200.00 fine is there any truth to this? leaving for 1st fly-in tommorrow.
Larry
08-12-2002, 03:12 PM
don't know if this is the law or not, but it should be. this from a guy that has drunk an ocean of beer in his lifetime. a friend of mine killed his brother-in-law with a prop and spent 5 years in a maryland pen. the beer can wait till you are back at the cabin. you will live without it.
Larry
08-12-2002, 03:12 PM
don't know if this is the law or not, but it should be. this from a guy that has drunk an ocean of beer in his lifetime. a friend of mine killed his brother-in-law with a prop and spent 5 years in a maryland pen. the beer can wait till you are back at the cabin. you will live without it.
Northern Manitoban
08-12-2002, 03:33 PM
your right no Beers in the boats aloud,they can fine you and they will take it also.FISH ON.
Northern Manitoban
08-12-2002, 03:33 PM
your right no Beers in the boats aloud,they can fine you and they will take it also.FISH ON.
tis the law of the land.........Save the beer for shore.
tis the law of the land.........Save the beer for shore.
phishfearme
08-13-2002, 09:55 AM
hold on thar' - in ontario you can't DRINK alcohol in the boat - you are certainly permitted to carry it and have a beer on shore! also, our outfitter told us that the MNR is not permitted to enforce this law - only the OPP. figure out the chances of getting checked yourself.
phishfearme
08-13-2002, 09:55 AM
hold on thar' - in ontario you can't DRINK alcohol in the boat - you are certainly permitted to carry it and have a beer on shore! also, our outfitter told us that the MNR is not permitted to enforce this law - only the OPP. figure out the chances of getting checked yourself.
You can get a fine for an emty beer can!
You can get a fine for an emty beer can!
We were having shore lunch and got checked by OPP thank god we drank all our beer the nite before or we would of got a fine. The only place you are legally allowed to drink beer is in your cabin.
We were having shore lunch and got checked by OPP thank god we drank all our beer the nite before or we would of got a fine. The only place you are legally allowed to drink beer is in your cabin.
Wromg there laddy....You'll be charged for "Liquor other than residence"...the fine are about$125 Can. I know...I got the fine. I had a beer on the ice outside the ice hut and got busted.on,
"residence" means a place that is actually occupied and used as a dwelling, whether or not in common with other persons, including all premises used in conjunction with the place to which the general public is not invited or permitted access, and, if the place occupied and used as a dwelling is a tent, includes the land immediately adjacent to and used in conjunction with the tent.
Unlawful possession or consumption
(2) No person shall have or consume liquor in any place other than,
(a) a residence;
(b) premises in respect of which a licence or permit is issued; or
(c) a private place as defined in the regulations.
Exception
(3) Subsection (2) does not apply to the possession of liquor that is in a closed container. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 31 (1-3).
Same
(3.1) Despite clause (2) (b), no person shall consume beer or wine in a licensed brew on premise facility except as permitted by the regulations. 1998, c. 24, s. 13.
Intoxication
(4) No person shall be in an intoxicated condition,
Wromg there laddy....You'll be charged for "Liquor other than residence"...the fine are about$125 Can. I know...I got the fine. I had a beer on the ice outside the ice hut and got busted.on,
"residence" means a place that is actually occupied and used as a dwelling, whether or not in common with other persons, including all premises used in conjunction with the place to which the general public is not invited or permitted access, and, if the place occupied and used as a dwelling is a tent, includes the land immediately adjacent to and used in conjunction with the tent.
Unlawful possession or consumption
(2) No person shall have or consume liquor in any place other than,
(a) a residence;
(b) premises in respect of which a licence or permit is issued; or
(c) a private place as defined in the regulations.
Exception
(3) Subsection (2) does not apply to the possession of liquor that is in a closed container. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 31 (1-3).
Same
(3.1) Despite clause (2) (b), no person shall consume beer or wine in a licensed brew on premise facility except as permitted by the regulations. 1998, c. 24, s. 13.
Intoxication
(4) No person shall be in an intoxicated condition,
phishfearme
08-15-2002, 07:44 AM
tboy - sounds like you have the correct story - and got it the hard way. we we're visited by the MNR while on springpole lake this past july (they were looking for someone who started a forest fire) and while inspecting our boat and finding no beer he informed us that we're permitted to carry beer in the boat but not consume it in the boat. we told our outfitter (canadian fly-in fishing) and he went on to tell us that the ministry cannot enforce this law only the OPP. were you hit by the OPP? it's sometimes hard to get the COMPLETE story other than from people like yourself that learn it the hard way.
phish
phishfearme
08-15-2002, 07:44 AM
tboy - sounds like you have the correct story - and got it the hard way. we we're visited by the MNR while on springpole lake this past july (they were looking for someone who started a forest fire) and while inspecting our boat and finding no beer he informed us that we're permitted to carry beer in the boat but not consume it in the boat. we told our outfitter (canadian fly-in fishing) and he went on to tell us that the ministry cannot enforce this law only the OPP. were you hit by the OPP? it's sometimes hard to get the COMPLETE story other than from people like yourself that learn it the hard way.
phish
Poke-Eye
08-15-2002, 05:42 PM
I would hope the law doesn't state this. In other words if I have unopened beer in the boat I'm legal. Then I take one out of the cooler and chug it real fast. Then I proceed to sink the can to the bottom of the lake and I'll be legal again. If I only do this about once an hour I'll be legal. This results in about 10 pretty beer cans on the bottom of the lake or river I'm visiting per day. I'll be there about 7 to 10 days so you do the math. The reasons I enjoy going to Canada so much just disapeared if people start acting like this. Let's all just leave the beer in the cabin and get tanked when we get out of the boat.
Poke-Eye
08-15-2002, 05:42 PM
I would hope the law doesn't state this. In other words if I have unopened beer in the boat I'm legal. Then I take one out of the cooler and chug it real fast. Then I proceed to sink the can to the bottom of the lake and I'll be legal again. If I only do this about once an hour I'll be legal. This results in about 10 pretty beer cans on the bottom of the lake or river I'm visiting per day. I'll be there about 7 to 10 days so you do the math. The reasons I enjoy going to Canada so much just disapeared if people start acting like this. Let's all just leave the beer in the cabin and get tanked when we get out of the boat.
woman
08-16-2002, 04:31 AM
bear in the boat is allowed if you are transporting it to your residence (outpost) etc. NO, I SAY NO beer in the boat if your fishing or just in the boat. Only allowed in the boat till you get to residence.
woman
08-16-2002, 04:31 AM
bear in the boat is allowed if you are transporting it to your residence (outpost) etc. NO, I SAY NO beer in the boat if your fishing or just in the boat. Only allowed in the boat till you get to residence.
Woman is absolutely right. Its the same if your are transporting beer in your car. Strictly speaking you are allowed to take the beer from the store to your residence and that's it.
Woman is absolutely right. Its the same if your are transporting beer in your car. Strictly speaking you are allowed to take the beer from the store to your residence and that's it.
old fisherman
08-21-2002, 03:01 PM
Are you on a beering trip or a fishing trip? Want to remember where you've been and enjoy the day leave the beer at home, have fun in the cabin but behave yourself. Your not children just because your several hundred miles from home. Show some respect for yourself and the place your from.
old fisherman
08-21-2002, 03:01 PM
Are you on a beering trip or a fishing trip? Want to remember where you've been and enjoy the day leave the beer at home, have fun in the cabin but behave yourself. Your not children just because your several hundred miles from home. Show some respect for yourself and the place your from.
MN Fisher
08-28-2002, 02:44 PM
Is this a new rule?
MN Fisher
08-28-2002, 02:44 PM
Is this a new rule?
watchout
09-11-2002, 06:10 PM
You can have beer and drink beer in a boat if it has a head and a galley and a berth aboard it is then considered a residence.
watchout
09-11-2002, 06:10 PM
You can have beer and drink beer in a boat if it has a head and a galley and a berth aboard it is then considered a residence.
River Rat
11-24-2002, 07:37 PM
Your pompous attitude reminds me of a recovering alcoholic that is having a hard time coping. May I suggest that you spend a little time with th dictionary and learn that your is NOT the contractoin for you are-you're is.
Actually, I'm totally disgusted with the holier than thou attitude on this whole site. Grow up!
River Rat
11-24-2002, 07:37 PM
Your pompous attitude reminds me of a recovering alcoholic that is having a hard time coping. May I suggest that you spend a little time with th dictionary and learn that your is NOT the contractoin for you are-you're is.
Actually, I'm totally disgusted with the holier than thou attitude on this whole site. Grow up!
Porterhouse
11-24-2002, 09:23 PM
In answer to your question helpme,
If it's a fly-in you'll be visiting, for the love of Mary, take along your beer. Don't be a jerk and drink a six pack after your first 1 hour out on the water, but instead, take along a couple and enjoy them at a relaxed pace. Your only chance of getting busted is if Yogi Bear comes of of the woods and writes you up a ticket himself.
To all the naysayers, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a beer or two as one sits somewhere off in a scenic back bay, relaxing and making a few casts. Being responsible is what counts. There is a huge difference between being a drunken lout and being a responsible citizen who might want to enjoy a beer every 2 or 3 hours.
Besides, the beer isn't there to get drunk on, but instead, it's there to refresh my dry pallet, which is usually in the cottonmouth state from puffing all that fine Canadian greenery.
Porterhouse
11-24-2002, 09:23 PM
In answer to your question helpme,
If it's a fly-in you'll be visiting, for the love of Mary, take along your beer. Don't be a jerk and drink a six pack after your first 1 hour out on the water, but instead, take along a couple and enjoy them at a relaxed pace. Your only chance of getting busted is if Yogi Bear comes of of the woods and writes you up a ticket himself.
To all the naysayers, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a beer or two as one sits somewhere off in a scenic back bay, relaxing and making a few casts. Being responsible is what counts. There is a huge difference between being a drunken lout and being a responsible citizen who might want to enjoy a beer every 2 or 3 hours.
Besides, the beer isn't there to get drunk on, but instead, it's there to refresh my dry pallet, which is usually in the cottonmouth state from puffing all that fine Canadian greenery.
Bud man
11-25-2002, 07:28 AM
Its not about safety, its about revenue. Why don't they just admit it and sell a beer license along with your fishing license. The license could allow up to a six pack per person per boat or something like that. Come on, you Canuks are creative, just call it what it is, a tax, (we know you love your taxes) and charge for it. Fishermen will pay it.
Here is a country that is considering de-criminalizing pot but they want to hit you with a $200 fine for beer in a boat? Explain this one if you will.
I've drank beer in boats while fishing for 30 years and will continue. If caught, I'll pay the fine (tax). Cost of doing business.
Its just another avenue for taxing the unsuspecting tourists. I've been going north for many years and it was only recently that I became aware of this law. Not one outfitter has ever mentioned a law against drinking beer in the boats. They basically encourage it and several we've used even sell it, although the receipts, if you get one, say "soft drinks". Looks like the tourists aren't the only ones breaking the laws.
Bud man
11-25-2002, 07:28 AM
Its not about safety, its about revenue. Why don't they just admit it and sell a beer license along with your fishing license. The license could allow up to a six pack per person per boat or something like that. Come on, you Canuks are creative, just call it what it is, a tax, (we know you love your taxes) and charge for it. Fishermen will pay it.
Here is a country that is considering de-criminalizing pot but they want to hit you with a $200 fine for beer in a boat? Explain this one if you will.
I've drank beer in boats while fishing for 30 years and will continue. If caught, I'll pay the fine (tax). Cost of doing business.
Its just another avenue for taxing the unsuspecting tourists. I've been going north for many years and it was only recently that I became aware of this law. Not one outfitter has ever mentioned a law against drinking beer in the boats. They basically encourage it and several we've used even sell it, although the receipts, if you get one, say "soft drinks". Looks like the tourists aren't the only ones breaking the laws.
Great Googly Moogly.
I was unaware of the new laws about beer in the boat. And I think it is exactly as Bud Man states, it is a tax.
Some of the comments would have you believe that drinking a beer in a boat is like robbing a bank. Hold on, take a breath. Driving Drunk or O.W.I.is a crime. Drinking a beer in a boat should not be.
But considering the way the law is written, legally you can do neither.
Ivy
Great Googly Moogly.
I was unaware of the new laws about beer in the boat. And I think it is exactly as Bud Man states, it is a tax.
Some of the comments would have you believe that drinking a beer in a boat is like robbing a bank. Hold on, take a breath. Driving Drunk or O.W.I.is a crime. Drinking a beer in a boat should not be.
But considering the way the law is written, legally you can do neither.
Ivy
Lundman 1700
11-25-2002, 09:23 AM
A boat is a motor vehicle. There's no difference opperating a boat drunk as there is driving a car drunk, in the eyes of the law up here.
You can have beer in the boat to transport from one place to the other but if you're sitting in the boat fishing, your not transporting and you will be ticketed if the case is opened. Unless you are in a boat with a head and galley. If you have a case opened in the boat and no empties and with beer breath they will also fine you for littering. If you have an accident with your boat you will be asked to blow if the police are involved and they usually are.
I'm not saying the law is fair or not, I've done my share of sipping in the boat but a person must be responsible. If you want a couple of beers while fishing keep it on the sly and don't sink your empties. If you have to get hammered when you go out fishing you might as well stay at home because you're just not getting it.
Lundman 1700
11-25-2002, 09:23 AM
A boat is a motor vehicle. There's no difference opperating a boat drunk as there is driving a car drunk, in the eyes of the law up here.
You can have beer in the boat to transport from one place to the other but if you're sitting in the boat fishing, your not transporting and you will be ticketed if the case is opened. Unless you are in a boat with a head and galley. If you have a case opened in the boat and no empties and with beer breath they will also fine you for littering. If you have an accident with your boat you will be asked to blow if the police are involved and they usually are.
I'm not saying the law is fair or not, I've done my share of sipping in the boat but a person must be responsible. If you want a couple of beers while fishing keep it on the sly and don't sink your empties. If you have to get hammered when you go out fishing you might as well stay at home because you're just not getting it.
Bud Man
11-25-2002, 09:43 AM
So if you have a cooler (galley) and a 5-gallon bucket (head) it sounds like you're good to go.
Bud Man
11-25-2002, 09:43 AM
So if you have a cooler (galley) and a 5-gallon bucket (head) it sounds like you're good to go.
A houseboat is considered a residence only when it is tied up to an island or dock. A houseboat under way is not a residence and you can be fined for drinking. These are not new laws. They have been on the books for years. As for not getting checked on a fly-in, I was and so were some friends of mine. If you can't have a good time without alcohol get some help because you have a problem. Save the drinks for story telling time in the evening.
A houseboat is considered a residence only when it is tied up to an island or dock. A houseboat under way is not a residence and you can be fined for drinking. These are not new laws. They have been on the books for years. As for not getting checked on a fly-in, I was and so were some friends of mine. If you can't have a good time without alcohol get some help because you have a problem. Save the drinks for story telling time in the evening.
Good point, we don't need to drink beer while we are fishing. And we could live with out it. I have done it many times. I have also had beer while I have been fishing. I have done it many times as well. If I am not intoxicated why on Gods green earth is it the business of the Goverment to out-law a legal product while consumed in a responsible way.
We don't need to do a lot of things do. We don't need to Fish. Why don't we just leave that up to the Gov't to fish our lakes. That goes for hunting too. Let the Gov't cull the herd.
If you can't take beer out in your boat on a fly-out because you MAY become O.W.I. Then you shouldn't be allowed to take beer out on a fly-out at all. Why? Well you could drink to much in your cabin and go out in the boat. So why don't we cure that possibility by keeping beer out of the equation all together.
I believe the people that need help are the people who allow the Gov't to mandate every blasted thing we do. We can not idiot proof the world. However we can make people responsible for their actions.
Ivy
Good point, we don't need to drink beer while we are fishing. And we could live with out it. I have done it many times. I have also had beer while I have been fishing. I have done it many times as well. If I am not intoxicated why on Gods green earth is it the business of the Goverment to out-law a legal product while consumed in a responsible way.
We don't need to do a lot of things do. We don't need to Fish. Why don't we just leave that up to the Gov't to fish our lakes. That goes for hunting too. Let the Gov't cull the herd.
If you can't take beer out in your boat on a fly-out because you MAY become O.W.I. Then you shouldn't be allowed to take beer out on a fly-out at all. Why? Well you could drink to much in your cabin and go out in the boat. So why don't we cure that possibility by keeping beer out of the equation all together.
I believe the people that need help are the people who allow the Gov't to mandate every blasted thing we do. We can not idiot proof the world. However we can make people responsible for their actions.
Ivy
duffy
11-25-2002, 04:28 PM
Nothing like A cold blue at the end of the day while heading it. Notice i said A blue and not a few blues.
Have ONE on me.
duffy
duffy
11-25-2002, 04:28 PM
Nothing like A cold blue at the end of the day while heading it. Notice i said A blue and not a few blues.
Have ONE on me.
duffy
River Rat
11-25-2002, 07:05 PM
Although I don't agree with your choice of beer, I agree that this is just another tax. Anyone remember the uproar on the DUI's this spring? If you had a DUI you were a menace to Canadian society, but if you paid the $200.00 (I think) application fee, walla-you are rehabilitated! Magic. The same goes for the entry fee on firearms. Does it make anyone safer? It's just another way to tax the U.S. sportsman.
For many years I went to Ontario almost every year. Twenty years ago, a buddy and I were subjected to an abusive tirade from a "local" on Little Vermilion (as he slipped another big Smallie into a gunny sack). I decided I did not need this BS and would not pay to support it. I have not been back. My stance was starting to soften until I talked to resort owners at sport shows and found this site and discovered the many outrageous regulations imposed on sportsmen in Canada.
River Rat
11-25-2002, 07:05 PM
Although I don't agree with your choice of beer, I agree that this is just another tax. Anyone remember the uproar on the DUI's this spring? If you had a DUI you were a menace to Canadian society, but if you paid the $200.00 (I think) application fee, walla-you are rehabilitated! Magic. The same goes for the entry fee on firearms. Does it make anyone safer? It's just another way to tax the U.S. sportsman.
For many years I went to Ontario almost every year. Twenty years ago, a buddy and I were subjected to an abusive tirade from a "local" on Little Vermilion (as he slipped another big Smallie into a gunny sack). I decided I did not need this BS and would not pay to support it. I have not been back. My stance was starting to soften until I talked to resort owners at sport shows and found this site and discovered the many outrageous regulations imposed on sportsmen in Canada.
Canadian Guy
11-25-2002, 07:29 PM
I like Americans that respect our laws and understand that they are in a foreign country. The ones that whine and complain and break our laws just because they don't agree with them because in America its different...stay home.
Canadian Guy
11-25-2002, 07:29 PM
I like Americans that respect our laws and understand that they are in a foreign country. The ones that whine and complain and break our laws just because they don't agree with them because in America its different...stay home.
usamoron
11-25-2002, 08:04 PM
canadian guy, i'm with you. it's your country. you make the rules. we obey or pay the consequences. noone should be drinking when operating a boat anyway.
usamoron
11-25-2002, 08:04 PM
canadian guy, i'm with you. it's your country. you make the rules. we obey or pay the consequences. noone should be drinking when operating a boat anyway.
Porterhouse
11-25-2002, 09:35 PM
I'm Canadian too, but my philosophy is a bit different. I always say ,"When in Rome, do as the Romans do", because most everyone I know has one or two coolies during an average outing. Responsible behaviour is what counts guys. Some people talk as if they think I'd be out in my speedboat doing 70mph double-pumping tallboys!!!
Geez we're talking 2 beers over 6-7 hours...consumed while anchored in a back-bay and out of everybody's way....besides, can't say there's that much traffic on a fly-in lake anyhow. Come on Canadian boys....lighten up.
Porterhouse
11-25-2002, 09:35 PM
I'm Canadian too, but my philosophy is a bit different. I always say ,"When in Rome, do as the Romans do", because most everyone I know has one or two coolies during an average outing. Responsible behaviour is what counts guys. Some people talk as if they think I'd be out in my speedboat doing 70mph double-pumping tallboys!!!
Geez we're talking 2 beers over 6-7 hours...consumed while anchored in a back-bay and out of everybody's way....besides, can't say there's that much traffic on a fly-in lake anyhow. Come on Canadian boys....lighten up.
So if we ( Americans ) don't agree with every law that the Canadian Goverment passes we should stay home?
Do you agree with everything your Goverment does? If you don't, then what? Heck, I don't agree with every law the U.S. Goverment passes.
I am not a non-conformist by any means but when we don't keep our Goverment in check, and reasonably question or debate laws, we are heading for deep do-do.
The main element about the beer in the boat law that is ridiculous is this:
If I am not intoxicated. if I am not possessing an illegal substance. Then this law is nothing more than infringement ( or tax )of my enjoyment out on the water.
There is nothing more enjoyable that pulling up to an island and having a shore lunch and enjoying a few beers. Or sitting in some back bay on a beautiful summers day, fishing, and every once in a while sipping an ice cold Labatt's Blue. That is what bugs me the most.
And of course there will be some people who will abuse alcohol and cause problems. And that is why this law is on the books, ostensibly for safety sake.
However,if this issue is purely a safety issue, and you're REALY serious about safety, then you should passes a law that forbids you to drink alcohol anywhere ( Bars or Restuarants )that you have driven an automobile to. Because, you know you will be getting behind a wheel at some point. And for safety sake, there is certainly more injuries or loss of life related to drunk automobile drivers as opposed to drunk boat operators. ( Neither of which by the way are acceptable )
Ivy
It's a friggen monster. Put down that beer and get the friggen net!
walter
11-26-2002, 11:20 AM
I cant believe it needed to be asked
Walter
11-26-2002, 01:17 PM
Something tells me that no matter what the law is some people are going to have a cold one while in the back of that bay on a summer day. Thats good but just remember what the law is so when you do have to pay the piper there wont be to much of a fuss. we have been having one for years on the lake at a outpost and ...no john law yet.....but when he shows up he will own us....and thats ok...play and pay
Walter,
I agree. The law is the law. And we can't claim ignorance. However my sense of hypocricy can only take so much when I hear all these folks justify their position on how horrendous it is to have beer in the boat. And, the world somehow is going to be a better and safer place with out it.
PLEASE! It is as was stated, nothing more than a tax.
It would be interesting to know the loss of life that occurs in D.W.I.cases involving automobiles versus O.W.I. out on the water. There is no doubt the amount of deaths involving alcohol and automobiles will be exponentially higher.
Yet it is illegal to transport beer to a shore lunch?
All this really tells me is that the Beer and Wine lobby cut a deal to allow people to drive back and forth to bars. The loss of business when people are out on the water was minimal so they made a business decision. Safety had not a thing to do with it. Otherwise we would all be walking to the Tavern.
Tis a slippery slope.
I wonder what all these folks will think when they can't have alcohol at a Bar or a Restuarant unless they can prove that they walked or rode a bike to Ole' Tavern.
Ivy
phidelt157
11-26-2002, 07:55 PM
Ha Ha!! That's the Canadian Guy I know!!!!
157
Bud Man
11-26-2002, 08:56 PM
Its always about the money.
If alcohol is so dangerous, why not outlaw it? Same goes for tobacco. We know tobacco use is deadly over time. But its sold everywhere. Why?
Tax revenue. If the government was truly interested in safety, they would outlaw both but they are more addicted to the tax revenue than any cigarette smoker is to tobacco or any alcoholic to whiskey.
Remember the 3-wheeler ATV. About 100 people got killed in a year and they banned them. Tobacco and alcohol kills more than that every hour of every day, but they're still around. I guess the 3-wheelers didn't generate enough taxes or maybe the companies didn't pay off enough politicians.
As you said, the hypocricy is the disgusting part. They want you to buy it and then they see how many laws they can pass to trip you up so they can tax (fine) you again. Not picking on Canada here, the same goes for the US.
Newby
11-28-2002, 09:31 AM
OK here is my 2 cents.
I am Canadian, I fish, and I drink beer.
Law says, no beer in the boat unless you have a head on board (and no a bucket won't do) and you are not under way, you must be anchored. As for the transporting for shore lunch, who said it was legal to drink on shore somewhere, guess what, that's illegal too!
Do I think it is wrong to have a beer while I'm fishing? NO SIR! I do it all the time. Let's be realistic some of you guys are really getting carried away here, we are not talking about getting plastered out on a boat and see if we can fish at the same time, it's just a couple beers. Can you honestly tell me you don't stop by the bar or a buddies house after work, have a couple beers and drive home.....SAME THING! it's illegal but you do it, what's the difference if you are in a boat?
Just be responsible aboout it, and seriously figure the odds of seeing the MNR or OPP while you're out there, some lakes you'll get cought for sure, others not too likely.
And for the love of god, let's quit making every discussion turn into an American vs. Canadian thing!
Get you're rod wet!
Newby
boat nut
11-28-2002, 10:12 AM
I'd like to change the emphasis a little. If you are on a "fly in", I read that as: remote lake with no roads. Likely you're going on a fully guided "American plan", which includes boat, motor, gas, guide etc. The outfitter will likely be the law there, and will probably approve of you taking a few beers with you while you're fishin' because the guide will be in charge of the boat. Things tend to be a little more relaxed in the wilderness, provided safety first. Like others have said though, don't make a pig of yourself, and you'll stay safe. Theoretically, safety was the #1 concern when laws about drinking were passed.
Bobby
11-29-2002, 07:46 PM
To clarify a few things I've read in this post, this pertains to Manitoba (Manitoba's Provincial 'Liquor Control Act' Statute) and the rest of Canada in other regards(Criminal Code of Canada). This is just to give everyone a bit of a heads up and NOT to be preaching.
You cannot drink beer on the shore (ie: shore lunch), this is a public place and will result in a fine. It has to be done in your residence, hotel ROOM or cabing, licensed premise, or campsite. In a motorhome, for example, you cannot pull off the road and sip on a beer in the back. You have to be in your 'camp spot.'
You CAN be arrested for ANY offense under Manitoba's Liquor Control Act. This likely holds true for other Provinces' liquor laws.
A bunch of cans in a cooler is "open liquor" - if they are removed from the plastic rings.
If you sit by the motor in your boat with your motor turned on OR off, having consumed alcohol, you can face worse than a liquor 'ticket.' You have care and control of the boat and can be arrested for this criminal charge, which is the same charge as impaired driving. If you are alone in your boat and sitting at the bow, you can still be charged for care and control, as it is obvious how you got there. If there are two people in the boat, it would be the guy beside the motor. If the guy at the front later says it was he himself who was driving, then both could theoretically be charged and both would go to court to settle this. Of course you can argue (a year later in court) and say you paddled to where you are, or the real driver swam away, or whatever. But your day (year...life) is ruined already.
If you are in public (ie: shore or boat) and yap at the officers who have approached you or questioned you, and you've been drinking, you are under the influence of alcohol in a public place. You can be arrested and later issued a liquor 'ticket.' Note further that Officers only need to observe/smell alcohol on you, you don't have to be holding a drink or be observed consuming one.
You cannot have 'open liquor' in an ice shack. This is not a dwelling house. If the ice shack is on your personal property, this is different.
ALL liquor found in a motor vehicle or boat can be seized if an offense has occurred. If you are transporting hundreds of cases of beer to an event and sipping a beer or under the influence of alcohol (according to an officer's observations), the officers can and will seize ALL of the alcohol.
Basically, if you get caught, be polite, cooperative, honest, and apologetic. Worse things can happen than having the rest of your drinks seized.
I've seen injury accidents in boats that were caused by alcohol. They do happen. For those who are from the USA, if you look at your laws, they are likely quite similar. Most people just aren't aware of the nitty gritty.
The talk of 'pot' being legalized is just that. However, when or if it is legalized, expect laws granting Officers authority similar to what's noted above for alcohol. Lastly, if you are found to be smoking pot in your boat, you can be charged and arrested for impaired driving/care and control.
Hope this helps keep you informed and out of any trouble. Please post to correct anything wrong with what I've noted...
Canadian
11-30-2002, 05:39 PM
I like to have a few brews in the boat when i'm out fishing.
Noway, I don't go out and get hammered in the boat if thats what the question was but I do like to sip a few when I am fishing.
I live only a few minutes away from Lac Seul and fish this lake just about daily. I have grown to know where the fish are all year around and also to know where the the tourists and MNR/OPP hang out so I avoid these areas like the plague.
I see nothing wrong with having 6 beers or so over the day when nobody is around and your anchored down over a shoal. Lets be real here, the posts above are right that there is no difference in going to a bar, having a few suds then going out and driving home. In that case no doubt your in a far greater risk of a collision on the road then in a boat.
Remember, you are your own LCBO!
Bud Man
12-01-2002, 08:04 AM
Thanks for the objective insight. Maybe I'm one of the few that think the regs go way too far but when in Canada we'll do as most Canadians do, hide the beer and stay low key. In lots of trips north, I've never encountered a boat of Canadian fishermen without beer.
The only point in your reply that I'd correct is the assumption that liquor laws in the US are similar. The laws vary WIDELY from state to state, so we have to be concerned about many different laws. For example, in Indiana, its legal to drink a beer while driving down the road or driving a boat as long as you're not over the limit. A few cities and towns have passed "open container" laws but not the state.
The Kentucky part of Dale Hollow Res., located on the KY/Tenn line, is located in a dry county, dry as in illegal to possess anywhere, while on the Tenn. side of the lake you can buy and drink beer at the marina.
My personal feeling is that as long as you're not impaired, they should leave you alone. Period. The 80 year old lady down the street that can't see over the steering wheel of her Cadillac is a much more dangerous driver than the average guy after one or two beers, but they don't arrest her. This is where we get back to the safety vs. revenue thing. They've turned the enforcement of alcohol laws into a cottage industry and they have to keep people working.
Hammerhead Herb
12-01-2002, 05:43 PM
I have to agree with you on that. I did a quick Google search of +alcohol and +boat for Illinois, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. The only restriction is that you cannot drive while intoxicated; that makes perfect sense. The respective DNR's can have you take a breathalyzer test at any time. Not being able to have a beer while fishing is an extreme law that, if proposed here in Illinois, would have me on the phone to my representative.
Personally, I don't drink (or have alcohol aboard) while running my 200hp Merc Lund or my old 90hp Mariner on my old Cajun. However, when puttering around with an 8hp Yamaha on a flyin lake, an 11.5 oz Blue and a fine cigar enhance the total Canadian experience.
Perhaps we should go to the Labatt website and ask them why Ontario has such an extrem law.
River_eye
12-01-2002, 09:46 PM
Your post is absurd. Obviously you didn't know that the leading cause of drownings is alcohol.
Can you think of a better way of helping this situation than outlawing open alcohol? If we charged for a six-pack licence, all we would have is a bunch of dead people at the bottom of our lakes including americans who can't handle our beer be cause it's too strong. They wouldn't be able to pay their bill at the end of the trip, therefore decreasing tourist revenue. Do we really want that?
River_eye
12-01-2002, 10:05 PM
You're mostly right boatnut. I guide americans all summer at an american plan resort. Law says no open alcohol in the boat. We tell our guests, you can have it in the boat, but stay smart and don't let the wardens see it. They will almost never search your boat, what they don't see, doesn't hurt them.
Our only guests that get tickets are the ones with a beer in each cup holder and bottlecaps littering the floor.
Some are guests are jackasses and get pissed all the time, most are smart about it. Remember it only takes one skunky beer to hurl up all the good ones.
Good point. We should ask the folks at Labatt's what they WERE paying their lobbyist's and what they are paying them NOW! I wouldn't hire those boys to fend off a parking ticket. Probably lose the family truckster and still pay a fine.
All information a side ( which I am greatly appreciative of ) As I read it, if you have a couple beers at a shore lunch you are breaking the law. And that is just plain stupid. It's stupid in Canada. It's stupid in America. Heck it would be stupid in Iraq. Excepting we will be bombing that miserable country anyway and one needs to be god fear'in sober when bombs are dropping all around you. And given all the bombing, I bet the fishing would kinda stink anyway. ( Note to self, cancel trip to Sadaams Celebrity fishing tournament. 1st place was a box of botulism and you got to participate in the stoning of an infidel. 2nd place you a got a peek at the ankle of Miss Iraq and then you stoned her for being a tramp. )
Yet I digress.
Hopefully common sense will prevail for everyone when you're out on the water.
" I passed out and I ralled and I sprung a few leaks. I got quit wish'en I gotta go fish'en, I'm down to rock bottom again." - Jimmy Buffet - A Pirate looks at 40.
Uh oh it's a monster. Dad, put down that beer and get me the net.
Ivy
bigfish1965
12-02-2002, 08:31 AM
As someone who works closely with MNR staff, let me say this; The MNR certainly can enforce Liquor Laws. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to you. Peace Officers, by law, can enforce the Criminal Code and Provincial and local regulations. Now, that being said, do the Conservation Officers want to enforce beer laws? No. It's not their specialty. But if you are drinking, and are being an idiot, guess what..you are gonna get pinched. And if you start spewing some crap, you might get a DWI ticket too. That effectively ends your trip, and if you are not a resident of Canada, it would end any future trips as well.
So, if you have one, you MOST LIKELY won't get nailed. But, this is not a guarantee. Keep low key, stay sober and you shouldn't have a problem. Also remember that the outdoors tends to amplify the alcohol effect as you dehydrate.
Most boating fatalities are a result of alcohol.This is why the law is strict. We boat more in a week than most people do in a lifetime. And about the pot laws...the government was told to come up with a good reason it should be outlawed...so far they haven't been able to. Seems all the secret government research indicates its not all that bad for you. I don't indulge, but I know some that do...they're never a menace to society, those guys.
River Rat
12-02-2002, 12:09 PM
In Ill. it is legal to have open beer in the boat. MOST Cons. Police Officers will not mess with a fisherman or boater having a few while fishing/cruising. They do alot of weekend boat patrols, concentrating on reckless operation. If you get to the ramp and fall out of the boat-you are getting dinged. And, if you let your mouth overload your rearend, they will look for a reason. (No different than any cop.)
Had Enough
12-04-2002, 11:29 AM
For the love of Mary, would you please come down off your bloody high horse Mr. Bigfish. Yes, you work with the MNR, but strictly as a volunteer. To the MNR, you are just some stiff not worthy of receiving a red cent....but you try soooo hard to come off like you are some bigshot with them. It's kind of like when Nixon swore Elvis into the F.B.I.!!! Ha Ha. My friend, let me tell you....you are nothing.
That being said....my American Friends, don't let Bigfish scare you to death. He's obviously on some kind of a self-righteous powertrip so ignore his asinine comments.
I am Canadian...fished all my life....I go on 60-80 outings per year...I always take a few cold ones out with me everytime I go.....I always keep it LOW KEY and I NEVER come close to crossing the legal limit (.8 in Ontario)...and most importantly, I act like a responsible citizen just having a relaxing afternoon out on the water. Be smart, don't act like a jerk-off and always be responsible...then getting caught is next to impossible. I never have and I never will.
Remember, don't let Bigfish's words get you all paranoid. Come up to Canada, wet your lips and wet your lines. Have fun and be safe. I've read this guys ramblings for long enough so I just had to get some things of my chest. Cheers.
Peanut
12-04-2002, 12:08 PM
Aw man, I swore I was not gonna get into this one, but here goes....
First, everyone needs to take a step back and realize there are two standards here: the strict letter of the law, and the practical application of the law. The law itself has been accurately stated several times on this thread. Like it or not, that is the law.
Now, to determine how closely we're gonna follow the law involves a risk and cost analysis - how likely is it that I'll get caught, and how much will it cost if I do.
We break MANY laws every day - cross against a light, jaywalk, speed, forget a seatbelt, maybe don't pinch the barbs on a jig in a barbless jurisdiction, have lead in a tackle box in a National Park, use leeches bought in one province in another province, and yes, have a beer in a boat.
So for those who say there's nothing wrong with beer in a boat, if drank sensibly, you're right, but it's still against the law, which means that we can't piss and moan if we're caught. He11, we ALWAYS have beer, except for one lake, because we know we're gonna be checked. If the fishing was not so good, we would go elsewhere.
For those that say it's stupid, etc. - we can't drink in vehicles, and everyone seems to think that makes sense - a boat is not really any different (I've got miles of country roads around home just as secluded as any lake). It's just the law. Have a beer if you like, in the boat or on shore, just don't get loaded, please, and remember to be smart about it because you can get dinged.
And, last, for whoever thought this is a revenue generating or tax thing - that's dead wrong. Enforecement of the law costs WAY MORE than it takes in. Around here, they station at least two people at a time - they have to ship them in, give them food, housing, a boat, gas and a salary - all this for a few $200 fines? I doubt it. You just can't write enought tickets to cover your costs.
Anyway, take care all,
derrek.
"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Gentleman, I too was not going to enter this debate. However I do have one question....How does this conversation help us become better fisherman???.....Lets focus on the good things and hope the drunks live to fish another day.
a great thoughtful post that i agree with 1000% except for your cost/ revenue analysis!! at $200 per can or bottle of ale it would not take to many stops to write up several THOUSANDS of dollars of fines. e.g. 2 guys in a boat with a 6 pack...bang $1200 bucks. now, realistically how many cans of beer do you believe are out in boats on Canadian Lakes at any given minute of the fishing season?
personal experience for my wife and i from this year in Quebec: peaceful, enjoyable evening on the lake when all of a sudden the game warden pulls up and asks to see our licenses. the first thing i had to do was put my beer down so i could open my tackle box to get them. after i retrieved the licenses i tried to hand them to my wife to pass them to the warden but first seeing as she had her fishhing rod in one hand an her beer in the other she had to set her beer down to take them from me. after the wardens inspected our licenses he asked us to open our cooler to look for fish, the only thing in the cooler were 4 more beers. ah ha you say that warden must have really given it to me good right? he did! he and his partner said good fishing and merci! if i had been all jacked up i'm sure all bets would have been off and on top of any OWI charge the $200 per can fine would have been added to the list. now that my friends is an actual case, not "i heard that..." or"someone once told me...". take it for what you will. all i know is next June there is a lake in Quebec that is wating for me and also a few Labbatt Bleu's.
Mike,
Drunks?
Not everyone who drinks is a drunk. In fact that statement is down right slanderous. And I can prove it.
O.K. let me think now. Hmmmm let's see. My fishing partner Big Fish he drinks and he's not a...... well O.K. bad example. Oh, oh wait a minute, there is uh, uh, what his name. Yeah he is not a ......O.K. still another bad example.
O.K. I won't argue the point.
But remember what W.C. Fields said. or something like this:
" Madam you called me a drunk and that me be true. However, you Madam, are ugly. And in the morning I will be sober and will still be ugly."
Ivy
Peanut
12-04-2002, 01:43 PM
ddr - Glad to hear everyone was mature about your situation. It sounds like you were treated the way you deserved to be treated.
I have one question, and that's regarding the fine. I would agree if they would be allowed to multiply fines as you have suggested, things would add up quickly.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you basically get one ticket/boat for beer in a boat - not $200 per can or even $200 per guy. At least, that's the way it always worked in a vehicle (thinking back to the teenage years) - someone got a 180 (an open liquor fine, which cost $180), and everyone chipped in for it. And, most of the time, we lost our beer too. I think that's how it would workfor boating violations too.
Cheers,
derrek.
"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Derrek,
Good points except your premise is wrong on the cost analysis of enforcement. Your enforcement costs are all fixed costs and will have to paid if the Police run into 100% law abiding folks or 100% law avoiding folks.
Only difference is that the law avoiding foks help defray the cost of enforcement. The 100% law abiding folks provide no income.
Hmmmm.... after you think about it, it's kind of a bizarre symbiotic relationship. Especially if you're projecting a short fall in your department. Let's see, the legislature could raise taxes. Or maybe they could find a new income stream...... like fines on beer swilling fisherman and Viola you fix your budget shortfall. Call me a skeptic.
Same story different verse, Washington D.C. installed cameras to catch people who fly through red lights. ( Which is an obvious problem ) however, 8 Million dollars in "New "fines/revenue later, someone down at City Hall broke his arm while patting himself on the back.
Ivy
" I passed out and I rallied and I sprung a few leaks. I gotta stop wish'en I gotta go fish'en I'm down to rock bottom again" - Jimmy Buffet
Ivy
Peanut
12-04-2002, 02:19 PM
I see what you're saying - and yeah, we've been having the red light camera debate in my city for more than a year now, and the $ grab argument has come up more than once.
But, you (I think it was you, sorry if I'm wrong) suggested what amounted to a "beer licence". If money were the sole motivator, this would be wildly successful, I would think. Charge each guy a few bucks to bring aboard a few cold ones legally, except the driver, of course;) and guys'd be lining up to sign on. You'd even get those who never drank in boats for fear of a fine bringing along one or two for the day, and gladly buying their beer ticket.
Not a bad idea all 'round....
derrek.
"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Arkie eye jerker
12-04-2002, 02:32 PM
You ever thought about a political future. With a platform like that you would sure get my vote for the legislature. If I can just figure out a way to vote up there. I like the way you think.
Ivy, The term DRUNK was being used as a term of endearment....if I didnt use it that way none of the guys I fish with would be with me. They all like "A cold one".....and they speak of six packs only.
I like this Specil Permit idea. Would it be possible to buy a permit that would have a special "DOUBLE BUBBLE ALLOWANCE"?? Im sure that this added little feature could create more cash flow for somebody and it would allow the true two fisted drinker to really have some blurred vision. It also has a great benefit for conservation because it is tough to make a good hook set with a beer in both hands...I know I have tried. Many a Walleye swim free today because of the invention of a right and left handed beer can.
I have always said I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!
Don't want to sound conceeded but I knew that I had arrived when I could troll with 2 rods, drink a cold Blue, drive the 12' camp boat and get the Net for my Dad. All while the wind was trying to blow us onto the rocks.
Capitalism is a wonderful thing. I would like to be in the boat with the person explaining he thought he was legit cause he bought his " Beer in the Boat license" from the fellas on the internet.
Beer in the boat license. Hmmmm I like the way that sounds. I'm going downstairs to bounce this off the boys at legal We have a short window to get this thing on the market and we don't want to miss openeing day!
Ivy
Bobby
12-05-2002, 04:35 AM
Everyone in the boat/vehicle can receive their own 'ticket.' Its a commonly mistaken belief that one person will take the fine for everyone else. The officer can give it to whomever he feels is responsible for the alcohol, or to everyone he thinks is responsible. The practice of giving the ticket to one person is at the officer's discretion and is just to make things simple for everyone. Tick the officer off and he may be inclined to spend a bit more time writing a few more tickets!
Bobby
12-05-2002, 04:45 AM
Ok, a beer license for the passengers in the boat... How about if someone has a beer or two, stands up to 'take a squirt,' his coordination is not what it should be, and he falls in and ends up in the hospital or (worse yet) drowns.
My question is, would I (taxpayer) still have to pay for his medicare? Autopsy? Etc?
If the poor unfortunate fella had a "SQUIRT LICENSE" the Goverment would be responsibile for all his expenses. The squirt license also allows the squirter to purchase term life insurance for the term of the trip and double indemity is avaliable if you are drinking USA beer. This would of course only apply if he had his drinking license and a valid fishing license. Some people feel that this complicated license procedure will be a windfall for Attorneys.
Peanut
12-05-2002, 08:41 AM
What if he falls down the stairs in his local bar? Taxpayers still pay for him - there's not difference. Also, taxpayers would still be responsible if he fell in after drinking unlicensed beer - so the license has not added a cost - the licensing fees actually serve to offset these costs.
Ivy - let me know when you hear back from legal - we may be on to something here.....
derrek.
"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Bud Man
12-05-2002, 10:32 AM
I'm going to have to claim credit for the beer license from Reply 17 if there's any royalties involved. I'll have my people contact your people. Someone else can get the "Squirt License" income.
I still stand by the proposition that it's mostly about revenue. Why else would they be allowed to ticket and fine a person for possession of a legal product. If the offenders are impaired, sure, toss them in the pokey if you want. But to fine someone for mere possession of a product legally sold at a government run store (Canada) smacks of revenue enhancement.
If safety is the concern, why not outlaw cigarettes in automobiles? Think of the number of accidents that have been caused by people distracted by lighting up in a moving vehicle. Think of the $$$ involved here. Canada might be able to pay for the 86,000% cost overrun (per Reuters News Agency) on their gun registration program.
Derrek,
I walked down to the 53rd floor ( Legal Department ) of the Eyecatchemall Building at 303-Michigan Ave.. I opened the door to their office and you should have seen all those lawyers scurry across the floor.
I discussed the "Beer in the Boat" crisis that's going on here on the internet with our very best Attorney, Dewey Cheatham. Dewey, as as with most lawyers , is somewhat risk adverse. Dewey's concern was with the validity of our " Double Bubble Badge ". He started using words like; liable, lawsuit, gross negligence, blah, blah blah ,blah. ( Dewey gets paid by the hour.)
Well, Dewey was really working up a head of steam until I said that we were going to put " Just kidding " in microscopic print on the back of the badge. He thought about it a minute and signed off on it.
We are good to go. We should be in production in about a week. Our badges will be at every sportshow north and south of the border. I bought a mailing list from a guy I know and we can do a direct mail piece to every resort owner in Canada. Plus, I was thinking about renting some space from the Pulp Mill at the border to see if we could put up a small " Duty free badge stand" right before customs.
I don't want to be greedy here, so give Dewey a call. You two can work out some kind of royalties agreement.
Ivy
Hmmm, I think it could be, ....yep there he is. Holy *##$% it's a monster. Dad put down that beer and get me the net.
Bud Man
Sorry, but like in fishing it's not who SEES the fish first that takes home the hardware. It's the guy that put's him in the boat.
We already have the idea patented.
We need to be careful here. If we solve to many budget problems for the legislature we is gonna get elected.
Ivy
wawajake
12-05-2002, 11:15 AM
Ivy
I think I am coordinated enough to do the first three items you list and keep my boat off the rocks at the same time, but surfing the net for my Dad would be too difficult. What type of connection do you use.
Do you use a mouse ? Does the fishfinder interfere with the frequency of the laptop. Do you mix them up when your walleye screen saver is on? :)
Bud Man
12-05-2002, 11:26 AM
First Al Gore and I forget to patent the internet and now I've missed the boat, so to speak, on Marine Beer Licenses.
Next you're going to tell me I'm too late with this idea I'm kicking around about telephones without cords.
Peanut
12-05-2002, 11:35 AM
Ho ho, good news!
However, our little tandem operation has now become a triumvirate. Bud Man has also claimed a proprietary interest by virtue of his post 17 on the thread.
Despite my ability to ingore the totally obvious, I have to concede that if he pressed his claim, we'd have a tough time offering up a full defence. So, why get bogged down in the details, and why pay the litigators all the profits by fighting with each other? Let's cut him in for a third I say, and carry on.
Now, since we're attempting to market these as government licenses, I first thought we'd need government approval. But, knowing those greedy ba$tards, they'll probably want a cut too, so we're better served I think by getting some sort of seal/stamp that appears to signify government approval, without actually having it - thus cutting through miles of red tape, and not further contributing to our ever-increasing government beaurocracy (check with Dewey, but I'm hoping to cover that off with a "just kidding" disclaimer as well).
Heck, it's like you mentioned with the gun registry (and the news report was true, by the way) - by not bothering to involve the government in our little licensing operation, we're probably SAVING them money.
Also, to curb any thoughts of re-using our badges for more than one outing - how about going with a bottle or case marking device, that shows that a particular bottle has been licensed for in-boat consumption? Sorta like the government duty wraps on cigarette packages. That way, each new case needs a new license.
Good ideas with the sport show and pulp mill spots. I can see this really starting to take off. Bud Man, how do things look from your perspective?
derrek.
"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Bud Man,
..... News Flash.... Lindburg makes it. Earhart still missing....
Derek is right. Greed is how we got into this situation in the first place. I'll have Dewey call you to modify our royalty agreement.
You will have to forgive me. When I enter the Eyecatchemall Bldg, I get my game face on and get kinda cut throat. There should be enough profit on this whole sha-bang to put us all on easy street.
I had the boys in production cool their jets for a minute. We are onto something here with the multiple purchase/tax concept.
Think, think, think.......I got it. We still sell the badges but everytime you purchase a case of beer the clerk at the counter swipes your badge and electronically updates your information on the badge. ( Like a players card at the Casino ). That way we can sell the scanning components to the retail outlets as well as to Law Enforcement.
If stopped the police, they swipe your badge to make sure your cans of beer ( which have been coded ) match up to your badge. If all matches up. You get sent on you way.
When we make our deal with the Gov't ( they will udoubtably want a cut to make this fly ) we reserve the right to sell the data base information to the highest bidder.
We make out on:
1. selling the badges,
2. Selling the hardware to the retail outlets.
3. Selling the scanning equipment to Law Enforcement
4. Selling the data bases to advertisers.
Oooooh I'm seeing it all come together now guys.
Ivy
Bud Man
12-05-2002, 01:04 PM
I say its a "go". Once we get this off the ground, we put .com after it and sell it for a gazillion dollars (Canadian or US) and start on the cigarette thing.
As far as seed money, I was thinking about selling my United Air Lines and Enron stock. I put all my retirement money into them a couple of years ago and haven't checked the prices lately. They're probably up a little since then so we should be well financed. Barring any unforseen glitches, we'll be sipping cold Molson legally next summer on a little lake we'll buy. Maybe Lake of the Woods?
Peanut
12-05-2002, 01:06 PM
Ivy - we're so close to the promised land, I can almost taste it. Your player's card analogy got all kinds of gears in my head turning - at first things were dizzying, but once the smoke cleared, I think I know how to basically eliminate our distribution/sales costs of these things:
We approach the breweries, and have them attach a plastic card, like a debit card or player's card, to EVERY SINGLE CASE that they produce. Each card would have a UPC code on it that matched the code on the case (which all have them already), and a magnetic strip that would allow the vendor to swipe it and "activate" the card for marine consumption, following payment of the appropriate fee, of course.
If stopped on the water, the CO would check to be sure that the UPC codes matched, and run the card through his machine to be sure it was activated. If you bought the beer to drink at home, do nothing, and it costs you nothing more. But, this method also catches the "maybe" market: the guys who might go fishing that weekend so they may as well activate the card. Now we've got the breweries distributing the cards, the vendors collecting the licenses, and the government enforcing payment of the fees - it's rock solid business planning here boys.
I just read of that huge internet fraud bust - it involved some credit card forgeries, so I'm thinking there may be some card-making equipment and plastic available cheap right now - have to check the police auctions on the web, and maybe ask around at some plastic wholesalers. Heck, if lowlife criminals can make fake credit cards that work, we should be able to produce our beer licenses easily and dirt-cheap.
Wow, this has come together almost magically. Are there any loose ends left?
derrek.
"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Peanut
12-05-2002, 01:18 PM
Cool. If we run short, I got in on the ground floor of a little mineral play a few years back - you may have heard of Bre-X - I think the escrow on those shares is about to lift. And if not, we took a second mortgage to buy all the Nortel we could about 18 months ago - that's a blue-chipper, so I can always dig into that nest egg a bit too.
See my post above for a couple business plan revisions. Also, I like your thinking about expanding our line of licensed goods. We need to think of other things that are illegal to consume (at all, or in certain places), and then come up with a licensing system that would legalize their consumption. Cig's are a great idea, except that you can smoke 'em in a boat, so the demand may not be too high, but---whoa, whoa, wait a minute - you got it, you just were not quite there: INDOOR SMOKING LICENSES.
Identical concept to boat beer, except in reverse. No one can smoke indoors anymore, right? But, what if they had bought an indoor smoking license? Then it's all good! Holy Moly, think of the California market alone.....And the tobacco companies - they're dying for a boost, they'll probably even pay us to put it together. We could use the attached card bit on cig. packages just like we do with beer (although different swipers, of course, then they gotta buy two). Yeesh, this'll be like a license to print money!
We own the rights to all this stuff now, right? I mean, people reading WC can't go copying us now, can they? Golden or TBOMN, we're on solid ground here, eh?
Aw, heck, we're so far ahead in production and development, no one could catch us anyway.....
derrek.
"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Wawajake
12-05-2002, 02:02 PM
Whoa now hold your horses, this technolgy of the Player cards and bar coding has been used by Ontario Lottery and Gaming for 3 years now , We want in! We could include a lottery system to automatically give you a 649 ticket too. (deducted off your bill of course)
How can you tell who I work for !!!
Gentleman, While you boys have been jawing about Financing,Marketing and Executive Compensation for Boat Beer Licenseing we have been signing contracts. Ms. Screwumore my personal Attorney has obtained a signed contract from the Queen for our company to be the Franchise owner for Boat Beer and all related products and or licenseing for all areas the Queen rules over. This Boat Beer contract of course includes Drinking (one or two hands), Squirting,Drowning,Flatulisim and hooking fishing partner in back of head licensing. The Queens picture will be on each license and her cut is 5% of the fee.....Now if you boys want to buy some stock contact Ms. Screwumore and she will be happy to handle your investment. If you boys dont think we are going to make money think again...we just hired Ken Lay as our C.E.O. and President and Bill Clinton as our V.P. Public relations.
River Rat
12-05-2002, 05:17 PM
Bill Clinton! Are you going to regulate cigars too?
Mike,
Back up the truck Mc Duff.
Your alleged franchise rights are just that, alleged. It's a common fact that the Crown can not sign any contracts with out first puttng them out for bid. Ms. Screwumore should have told you that. In fact, tell her hello from Ivy. Then stand back and watch a pitbull with lipstick, start to wimper.
You see, I fired her for gross negligence concerning a previous contract we THOUGHT we had signed with the Crown. If it wasn't for her malpractice insurance she would be working in a prison library. (Mike you need to check those reference a little better before you hire your council.Some people will lie about anything)
However we may need someone with your expertise in further contract negotiations once we win the bid. And according to our sources it's a lock.
We'll get back to you.
Ivy
River Rat...There is definitly a position for you in our company as Senior Vice President of Marketing. Your idea of controlling Cigars is the type of pro-active thinking that will drive our company. Your credentials are greatly enhanced because of your prowness with a Walleye rod and your beer guzzling profiency. If your Golf game is just one shot more than mine I believe your salary and bonus will be seven figures with ten weeks paid vacation.....IVY...You need a attitude adjustment and you need to understand that the Crown is in charge of all waterways. I do love your Bulldog attitude and therefore if you would accept it Im honored to offer you the position of Senior Vice Preident of Walleye fishing. Your focus will be to make sure that all company officers spend numerous hours on the water fishing Canadas finest deep blue Walleye waters. You will be required to fish and drink beer whenever you desire and Ms. Screwumore will be working under you whenever you feel so inclined. Your benifits ,salary,bonus and vacation will be equal to River Rats and you both will enjoy our Early Out Program...work until you feel its time to retire and recieve lifetime retirement of twice your normal compensation. We are truly a Corporation of the 21st Century....Welcome aboard Gentleman......Please send me your address so I can have your first paychecks mailed to you.
Retired Bre-X Executive
12-06-2002, 04:36 AM
Gentleman...I have been watching your ideas with great interest. I think it will fly high and make us millions. I have considerable experience in the investment end of things ...especially in offshore accounts. I am currently retired in the Cayman Islands and would love the chance to be in at the ground floor as Chief Financial Officer.To show good faith I have wired $10,000 to the Grand Cayman Islands Bank...acoount # 765768 Transit 6098. To show your good faith I would expect you to do the same. A small investment to make for future security.
Bud Man
12-06-2002, 07:26 AM
Whoa there, my nothern friend. Stealing an idea and rushing off to the patent office ahead of the inventor is something we tolerate only from Bill Gates. Your blatant act of piracy may be sufficient grounds for a military incursion into your pristine northlands. I talked with George Bush last night and explained how keeping this beer license in the hands of responsible Americans is in the interest of our national security and he has pledged total support, financially and militarily. If necessary, we'll bring in the Supreme Court to kick the Queen's butt. (By the way, what is this connection to the Queen. I thought you guys had your own country.)
Rest assured that the Apache helicopters and Stealth fighters now massing on your southern border are a mere formality. They have nothing to do with this issue. We're expecting an attack from Iraq via Ontario and must be prepared.
So my recommendation is to simply put the contracts down, step back slowly, and nobody will get hurt.
Bud Man, Chill out and have a couple of Buds....The position of Ambassador to the world is yours in the company. This position entails drinking beer with all who look like they need one and trust me Bud Man thats a full time job. You will of course have a compensastion package equal to all other company officers plus you will have your own double tandem Bud Truck as a company vehicle.
Kevin
12-06-2002, 07:43 AM
If George couldnt catch Bin Laden how is he going to catch the "BEER BOAT GANG"????
Bud Man
12-06-2002, 07:59 AM
Ambassador to the World, eh? Has a nice ring to it. But before the recall order can be issued to the choppers and fighters, I've got to know if that company car/beer truck comes with an opener for longnecks? If not, you guys are in for the "mother of all wars". Blood will flow and beer will spill. It wont be pretty. Even Jerry Springer will turn his cameras off in horror.
Peanut
12-06-2002, 08:30 AM
Jeez, take an evening off from the computer, and I wake up to find the company has been sold to Mike, my partners have been co-opted by him, and all that's left is an offer from a fugitive to go salt some core samples.....
Mike, surely my being overlooked was a mere oversight?
derrek.
"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Mike,
There is a word I'm searching for......oh yeah Coop d'etat.
Mike I'm flattered by your generous offer but we really need to come to terms of ownership here.
It seems we have a couple of "A" type personalities that need to be in control of the entire situation. I don't think that needs to be the case. I'll bet growing up, you were the Captain of your kick ball team ( everytime ), when fishing, you steer the boat, the fish-finder is always next to you, cooler, same thing. Not being critical I'm the same way.
Have Ms. Screwumore call Mr. Dewey Cheatem and lets work this out. To be honest we don't have time for in-fighting. Our informants that operate in Asia have told me that the Chinese already have been secretly working on this idea since it's inception. And they can certainly wax our tails in production costs.
I have another idea that just came to me. And while I can't take credit for it's inception, I can let our little group profit from it.
We offer a full line of fishing apperal. We produe our o2wn line of hats, shirts, blue jeans, even boots with the logo " Beer in the Boat Gang " or B.B.G. clothing. The Beer in the Boat Gang has that outlaw biker, gangster, bad boy feel to it.
This could be bigger than Polo, Tommy go Figure or even dare I say Harley apparel?
Ivy
" I passed out and I rallied and I sprung a few leaks. I gotta stop wish'en I gotto go fish'en I'm down to rock bottom again." - Buffet
Ivy......We have decided to put your picture on each license next to the Queens...yours will be a little larger. I also should have mentioned that your stock options are awesome and your picture with a beer in each hand is our Logo....I have already taken my early out and therefore Im retired so you will be "THE MAN"
Bud Man...Of course it comes with a opener...she is 25 years old and is studying to be a Nymphomaniac....Your Wish is my command is her motto....Cancel the Sorties and buckle up Bud Man you are in Walleye Heaven.
Peanut....You were not overlooked. Ms. Screwumore has been trying to contact you so we can give you your sign on bonus and determine what you want as a company airplane. Your title is Senior Vice President of World Sales and you will have a staff of around 400 employees unless you think you need more. By the way you have all of Walleye season as vacation next summer and a full expense account for Walleye fishing research.
rmthompson
01-02-2003, 03:14 PM
You are not allowed any beer or liquor in any boat in Ontario.
and as the one person said, beside the fine you could loose the boat.
Even at a shore lunch..
NON alcoholic beer is OK..
Ron
rmthompson....it is my understanding that you are allowed to transport beer to a outpost in Ontario...but it must obviously be being transported ONLY.
rmthompson
01-02-2003, 05:16 PM
The only part of the law that I refer to is having beer in a boat while out fishing. Nothing is allowed. If you had a 12 pkg. at home and took 6 out you could have a problem.
However to an outpost, the best bet would be to do not open the case. Do not have anything open or a can, cap or even pull tab laying around IN the boat. You may or should not be changed. YOU are taking it to the place you are going to be residing.
I have read some of the posts and some are ludicrous. Houseboat is consuption while tied up for the night.
Nothing is allowed at a shorelunch.
Here on Lake of the Woods if the game warden stops you, the OPP is normally with them. If not, they are in constant contact.
I got nailed about 20 years ago. Impaired. $75 in those days. Now it is much higher and can also involve points off your drivers permit in here Canada.
I would also expect that if one got charged a criminal record would be involved and that alone could stop that person from ever getting back into Canada again.
Best bet. Leave it in the cottage.
I will guarantee, that if the OPP sees a beer cap, beer can, (even if not yours) they would go through the boat front to back.
RT
"I like Americans that respect our laws and understand that they are in a foreign country. The ones that whine and complain and break our laws just because they don't agree with them because in America its different...stay home."
We stay home...Canada loses a ton of money. A TON!
>Its always about the money.
>
>If alcohol is so dangerous, why not outlaw it? Same goes for
>tobacco. We know tobacco use is deadly over time. But its sold
>everywhere. Why?
>
>Tax revenue. If the government was truly interested in safety,
>they would outlaw both but they are more addicted to the tax
>revenue than any cigarette smoker is to tobacco or any
>alcoholic to whiskey.
>
>Remember the 3-wheeler ATV. About 100 people got killed in a
>year and they banned them. Tobacco and alcohol kills more than
>that every hour of every day, but they're still around. I
>guess the 3-wheelers didn't generate enough taxes or maybe the
>companies didn't pay off enough politicians.
>
>As you said, the hypocricy is the disgusting part. They want
>you to buy it and then they see how many laws they can pass to
>trip you up so they can tax (fine) you again. Not picking on
>Canada here, the same goes for the US.
>
>
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Agree with this 100%! My wife works for our State's Department of Public Health....Tobacco Division
hawk82
01-11-2006, 01:05 PM
>Bill Clinton! Are you going to regulate cigars too?
>
No, Monica Lewinski is tho only one relegating Clinton's cigar.
Typical
01-11-2006, 06:09 PM
>"I like Americans that respect our laws and understand that they are in a foreign country. The ones that whine and complain and break our laws just because they don't agree with them because in America its different...stay home."
>>"We stay home...Canada loses a ton of money. A TON!"
Ooooh, well that's a good reason. Unlike for you, the economy and being rich doesn't come before our laws!!! What a rediculous statement. Only an American would think that because he has a big wad of money he can do whatever he pleases.
Trailerguy
01-11-2006, 07:25 PM
[font color=green size=3][b]You have to wonder why a post that is over three years old,has been reserected by a guest user? Are we having a bad hair day? Or just looking for something to bash?
Wish'in I was fish'in on Wabby