Encroaching on our soverignty

[bladerunner]

Mexican President Vicente Fox has been quoted as saying "the Mexican nation goes beyond its borders, the mexican nationals in the U.S. whether legal or not should have rights as other Americans." Basically he is telling his people that there is no need to respect or fear the American Judicial system. They even print & distribute literature on how to "get around" our borders & laws

How or why should the illegal aliens have the same (if any) rights as those that have come over legally to try & find a better life or those of us that were born here.

The Mexican census showed 2 million less people than what was expected... where did these people go? Across the border illegally thats where. If they aren't being counted by their nations census or ours; why should the U.S. reconize them at all.

Seems to me that the people on Capitol Hill (as well as Vicente Fox) that want to offer amnesty for the illegals that are here are just trying to capitolize on the fact that the Mexican-American voters have a strong lobby & even bigger mouths.

Aren't our borders porous enough?? Hasn't the American government allowed too many of the wrong people in already (despite the border-jumping)?? Because of NAFTA our jobs are going south of the border in record numbers. Since they are, why would the illegal aliens want to come here for work?? They would make more money here thats why. Just ironic that w/ so many manufacturing jobs heading south, so many illegals are heading north! Soap box over.

[those jobs]

"They are coming here to take the jobs (or is wages?) that Americans simply won't do."

Also construed as jobs that a small percentage of greedy profiteers won't pay the minimum wage required by law and associated taxes. Pocketing the lions share for themselves and screwing all the other hard working legal immigrants and Americans that are law abiding wage earners and taxpayers.

Consider it a blind eyes loophole by the PNAC administration that is bringing about a new form of acceptable slavery if you will...

[bladerunner]

You got that right. A good deal of the problem is the "worker pools" that the black market supports. They will pay to have X amount of people brought in to work in sweat shops, Ag fields, construction & other industries. Since these aliens aren't documented, taxes don't have to be paid on them (single business tax in MI) or health benefits.

But to have a dignatary, like Vicente Fox & some in the White House, to say that these workers are "necessary to the strenghting of our economy" is ridiculous. If they are that concerned about our economy; they need to quit shipping jobs south of the border & overseas, start cracking down on human trafficking & funnel more funding to border security & NOT make cabinet positions & huge bearucratic depts (homeland security) the drains that they are. Hiring more border patrol, increasing Coast Guard obligations, tightening border entry & enforcing current traffricking laws would help minimize the problems.

[bigfish1965]

The first sentence you quote is true. Anyone in the US has the same rights under your constitution. THis doesn't mean they are not subject to the law of the land, just that your constitution extends to visitors as well. It is the same in most countries. You have the same constitutional protection in Canada while here as I do.

[those jobs II]

Make it a felony punishable by 10 yrs and up to $1,000,000 fine to anyone or any business caught hiring illegal labor and "ENFORCE" the law. The stream of illegals will dry up like a puddle of water in the desert.

You can't fault them (illegals), they know no better and are coming across in droves for a seemingly substantially better life as seen on TV (which in true fact it is).

You can dream up all the wasted tax payer initiatives you want to curtail this, like fences, border armies etc. However like the saying goes, "where there is a will there's always a way." That goes for both parties in this case (demand = the endless supply). Until you remove the incentives of cheap exploitable labor and the simple walk on over means to a seemingly better life by those being exploited, this WILL NOT go away. This bit of common sense will not be considered by those in control of our government, likely due in part to lesser known alterior motives (you name it there could be several of them).

Chances are again we'll have another crafty war campaign to fund, like the "War on Drugs" and the like...you watch this will be the new "War on Illegal Immigration" and probaly in the end all for not after $billions and billions spent.

Truly Disgusted...

[bladerunner]

Our Constitution is subject to interpretation by our Supreme Court. Originally the Constitution was to protect the CITIZENS. Visitors were extended only their human rights until becoming CITIZENS. Once taking the oath to uphold the Constitution they were proclaimed CITIZENS & given the same rights as all other Americans.

Problem is though, the American Government has a lax approach when it comes to thoroughly documenting workers coming in for a season of work. Their visas have time constraints but those workers aren't subject to random checks ensuring they are adhering to our laws, not overstaying their visas, etc. Once their here... they stay & disappear from INS radar.

A lot of these illegals have fake Soc#'s so they can apply for food stamps, collect unemployment benefits & even welfare. Frankly, once their jobs have been completed, they ought to be shipped back where they came from.

Case in point is a story that happened recently around here. An illegal alien from El Salvador was working at a paper mill under a fake name & Soc#. He had been fired, that day he returned & shot two people killing one of them. Do you think he'll be deported?? Nope, he'll serve time in a American prison (automatic life w/o parole for murder one in MI). All the while getting 3 hots & a cot on the tax-payer dime for the rest of his life.

[bladerunner]

Unfortunately your exactly right. When the war on drugs began in the early 80's, the CIA had brought the war to the druglords in countries like Columbia, San Salvador, Mexico, Ecuador, etc. Problem though, the whole time we were funnelng money down to these governments to help w/ their "drug fighting efforts"; they were selling arms that they bought from us to the druglords that would pay them "protection". Worse yet we were selling arms covertly to the Sadinistins (rebels that were trying to overthrow General Noriega) all the while courting HIM to help fight the rebels. Talk about clandestine.

[Marble Eyes not logged]

Well batmen, here's something for you to concider.

Thats to idjits like Ted the Swimmer Kennedy and Air Ace Johhny Mcinsane we now have an amnesty bill that is going to be debated that gives 20 MILLION illegals a pass on their crime.

Yeah I said 20 Million. The figure of 11 million is just smoke and mirrors.

So without deporting these criminals, we grant them temprary visas, let them deflate the prevailing wages, such the last dollars available thru all the social services WE have paid, just how many do you think are going to go back EVER?

This two party Cartel we have in Washington is taking us straight to a complete Socialized state aka ####. Don't think so? Ask your self what happens when 20 million people who never paid in a dime to support our Social services all of a sudden become recipients. Mind boggling? You think the outlook is gloomy for SSI now, give it one more Idiotic legistative kick in the nads like this and see what's left. Your SSI check is going to be as reliable as a DELPHI/GM pension. BANKRUPT.

Fact is the Hispanic and Black populations in this county are the two fastest growing ethnic groups in population in this county.
They are also the groups with the highest Crime rates, High School drop out rates, unwed mothers and lowest per capita incomes.

[Marble Eyes not logged in]

A couple more rants:

To those that say we can't maintain our southern border I say you're being very dishonest to say the least.

We've been maintaining the DMZ in Korea for 50 years, did it in Germany for 50 years.

We have how many thousands of National Guardsmen. What are they FOR?
We already pay them, so use em.

Finally look at the videos of the protests in the States last week or so. You see and read those signs? Mexicans saying "It's our Land".
these punks don't what we have here, they want the FREE SOCIAL HANDOUTS and still want to live in a 3rd world Crap hole. These poor soles we are told are only looking for a better life. Yeah right that is why the refuse to assimilate, demand spanish printed government documents etc. Do a search on LaRaza and take a good look at what the leading Mexican organization wants for it's people. Your money and YOUR land. Period.

You know what they say about being careful for what you wish for.

[SteveJA]

Regarding the National Guard,

National Guard units are paid by the states they are in. MN guardsmen are paid by MN, IL by IL, etc. The only time the Nat. Guard becomes federally funded is when they are activated for war like Iraq.

Reserve units are 100% federal.

Also, there is a federal law in the books that states military units can not patrol U.S. soil unless martial law has been declared or we are actively being invaded by another military. That's why the Border Patrol and Coast Guard exist. Otherwise you'd see soldiers and marines running checkpoints at airports etc like just after 9/11.

Regards

[Marble Eyes]

If 20 million people invading a country isn't a National Emergency I sure as @#$#@ don't know what is.