View Full Version : Patriot 2050T part of flotation recall?
Gullible
10-06-2006, 10:23 PM
This is not a troll,I am wondering if a 2002 Patriot 2050T is part of the USCG recall for insufficient flotation.I visited the recall website and it only lists the 2050DC.This tiller boat only has a 125hp on it with a 25"transom so it should be ok horsepower wise.I have been reseaching Patriot boats archives for the last 2 days and know most of the ugly stuff that went on.So you ask why would someone even think of owning a Patriot? Simple,I am CHEAP and I can get alot of boat for the money,besides I like the hull and layout of the boat.Is this boat even legal to sell on a dealers lot? No bashing please.
Tom B
10-06-2006, 11:21 PM
Seems the easiest thing to do would be to contact the USCG and ask them directly.
Tom B
saw it
10-06-2006, 11:26 PM
Im pretty sure I have seen the same boat, It's been on the lot about a month??? looks like a nice boat. That said cheap could be DEADLY!!!
fishhunter
10-07-2006, 12:06 AM
We had a crestliner sink to the bottom of Sakakawea a couple weeks ago during the fall walleye classic too so I am losing a lot of trust about if my boat will level float when filled with water and its neither of these brands.
Gullible
10-07-2006, 08:49 AM
It probably is the same boat if it is in WI.And you are correct about beeing cheap could be deadly.I am going to water test it today and if I like I am going to see if it can be insured.
akaFrank NL
10-07-2006, 12:24 PM
Look it over very carefully. Open all the compartments/hatches and look for flotation or places to put it, check the stringers, check the transom for separation, check the hull for weakness/cracks near the front where the stringers terminate. I wouldn't pay more for this combo than the value of the engine because the hull may prove to be worthless, not to mention dangerous.
If you're a good swimmer I have a 2050 DC that I will sell you REAL cheap. j/k.
got to be
10-07-2006, 03:47 PM
Yup in Wi, good luck let us know how you come out, I thought about looking at it myself but,well it kinda scared me..That said if it looks ok and the insurace is ok, and it is supper cheap well.....
Gullible
10-07-2006, 04:36 PM
I water tested the boat today in some high winds,2-3ft chop and it ran waves very good.The boat is pretty fast with the 125hp Merc,but has lots of steering torque untill on plane.I inspected the hull real good and could only find minimal gel coat crazing,all seemed to be solid.Two things concern me. 1)The livewell still filled with water even though the fresh water pick up ball valve was off?The ball valve must be by passing?Dealer says he will fix.Also I think the livewell drains into the bilge of the boat?.2)This is a good one,anyone else would be running for the door but not me.The boat has a Coast Guard rating label for a 17'10" 115hp Patriot SC?The dealer assures me he can get the correct label for it from the Coast Guard and all proper certs for future sales.Also I could not find any open foam in this boat.Is it encapsulated in the bulkhead and stringers?Thank you for the kind responses.
eyewall
10-07-2006, 05:25 PM
run dude, like even a slightly smart but cheap #### would do... Somethings fishy and in this case it ain't no walleye...
Somethins_Fishy
10-07-2006, 06:49 PM
>run dude, like even a slightly smart but cheap #### would
>do... Somethings fishy and in this case it ain't no
>walleye...
Hey !! Keep me out of this one :banging: .
All kidding aside, I would run, not walk away from this one personally .
Marc
snakeman
10-07-2006, 11:15 PM
It's my understanding the USCG didn't require level flotation on boats with a centerline of over 20 feet. Patriot tried to sneak one by by measuring the gunnel length therefore calling a 19 footer a 20.5 footer and got caught. So how many true 20+ footers are out there without level flotation. Could that crestliner have been one?
Gullible
10-08-2006, 11:59 AM
Anyone know where the floatation should be on this boat?There is nothing under the gunnels but wire tubes.Also,how about the in floor livewell do they drain to the bilge of the boat?I want more info on this model,I am sure someone like akaFrank or sworral can answer some of these questions.
NoOffense
10-09-2006, 07:35 AM
>So you ask why would someone even think of owning
>a Patriot? Simple,I am CHEAP and I can get alot of boat for
>the money,besides I like the hull and layout of the boat.
No offense intended. I just want to make you think. How much is your LIFE worth? How much is the LIFE of your family members worth? How much is the LIFE of your friends worth? Is the "savings" worth risking those LIVES?
well said
10-09-2006, 09:31 AM
well said
Ballistic
10-09-2006, 12:14 PM
Terroreyes,
Call me, and we'll discuss your post and what you might mean by it as gentlemen. 7153621760. Bet my phone doesn't ring, anyone want to take odds on that one?
2050T? I'd call the Builder, Mike Larski, Lancaster, Ontario. Considering all that has happened over the last couple years Mr. Larski is currently the ONLY person to answer the questions posed here.
Freckles
10-09-2006, 03:24 PM
Just remember that floatation will not keep your boat from filling up with water. If you don't have the proper amount of floatation and for some reason your boat would fill up with water,it won't make a differance how big your boat is, or the size of motor. It is only common sense, for safty reasons that one would only buy one that is certified for Basic and Level flotation,such as Lund.
Freckles
make sure the ball valve is done right with another water test. i don't know if the lbdn sinking was caused by that but, i know there was a near sinking of a center console by that problem.
when we lose the 2nd. amendment the others will be history too!
akafrank nl
10-09-2006, 06:22 PM
On the 2050 dc the livewell drained overboard and if the livewell drain valve was left open the well would fill with water because the drain outlet, piping and well were below the water level of the boat. Just more of the brilliance involved with the design and manufacture of this boat.
As far as the flotation in the stringers, there is not nearly enough foam in the stringers to float that boat. You would need around 50 cubic feet of 2 pound foam to keep that boat, motor, gear and people afloat.
Run away,
Bob
Gullible
10-09-2006, 09:19 PM
Thank you all for the replies.I am second thinking this one.I had a very informative discussion with someone in the know today that cleared up many questions.
fishunter70
10-09-2006, 09:41 PM
All I can say is your a DUMB #$$................ If you buy this boat.
Knowing full well the problems with patriot boats, If you did in fact do your home work on the boat, that alone should be enough to make anyone run away.
Think of it like this, you found a car that you son/daughter wanted to buy it's all they can afford and it's a great deal.But it has no brakes,bad tires and exhaust leak in-side the car. Would you let them buy the car and drive it like that..............THINK NOT.
I think your staying clear of this deal. Beside the boat rides like S$%^%% in rough seas, I know first hand.