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[DUDE 2]

Well we are half way thru the college football year and its getting more interesting every week. The Buckeyes are diffinetly the #1 team in the nation. They havent been tested yet, but its not there fault. They have just been that much better then everyone else. Florida moved up to #2, and they deserve it. They have a tough schedule and they still have Auburn this weekend. USC keeps sqeeking by. I dont see them winning every game this year, but they arent playing that tuff of a schedule the rest of the way. Maybe CAL can play good in one of the big games for a change. Michigan has been a great surprise for me. I really didnt think that Michigans defense would be able to hold up, but they have proven me wrong. But they have a couple of tuff games the next 2 weeks with PSU in the white out this weekend. Then Iowa the week after at Michigan. Can Michigan make Iowa look as bad as OSU did. Only time will tell. Hopefully Auburn will have there A game this weekend and beat Florida, and USC will stubb there toe. Michigan will hold up under the white out at PSU. So we can get the game of the year at OSU in mid November at the horseshoe. Man would that be a great ending to the regular season... GO BLUE!!!!!!!

[top 10]

My picks on the top are:

1) OH St. they beat teams up. I think that they can be beat, but until they do they are #1
2) FL they are one of the few teams that could beat OH St. Very balanced.
3)Mich. Playing some of the best football in the game. Tons of weapons. How long before they lose because of poor coaching?
4) West Vir. Extremely scary team, they can score points on anyone. the most talent in the backfield in college football> running wise.
5) USC maybe the most over rated team in the country, but if you just continue to win and you have the rep they have over the past few years you should get some xtra credit.
6) Louisville Pounds everyone they play. Loves to run the score up! Lets see how they play against a BCS bowl power house.
7)Texas getting better after the stinger the Bucks put on them. Should be tough by the end, they keeep getting talent.
8)Tenn They have good team speed, QB play has been the issue since Peyton has left> and that was a long time ago.
9)ND some weeks they look great, others they look as good as they really are. Easy beat for any of the top 10 school.
10) There are a bunch of schools : Clem, Cal, GT, IA, BC, Neb, VA Tech, All these schools could surpise just about anyone on any giving Sat.

[Hope So]

Dude, Hope you are right about OSU. But I still think they are over rated and have been lucky to win all their games. But that is what it takes to be #1 when you have a team that is over achieving like OSU. I believe they will lose at least two games this year which of course means that OSU will not win the National Championship. It will be sad to see them lose because they have been hyped up so much but it is going to happen...they just don't have the stamina to be the best.

[Fish_on]

I predicted this from the beginning of the season and I still hold to it.

Ohio state dominates the big ten until the last game of the year when they lose to Michigan and lose their title hopes.
Iowa goes to Michigan and wins.

Iowa, Michigan and Ohio State tie for the big ten championship with one loss each. Some team not nearly as good as Ohio State wins the national championship because the big ten cancels out their chances again. We need a true championship.

[Tim FRick]

Not sure if you were referencing OSU when you said they havn't been tested yet? If you were than I guess you didn't see them man handle Texas (on the road) or Iowa (on the road) and I would throw Penn State in there for fun.

As for all you people that think OSU is over hyped, I can just say that this was a comment due to being jealous. From my point of view I don't think OSU get's enough respect. They were predicted to lose against Texas and Iowa (from the announcers). So the over hype is not coming from the media.

I agree the biggest test for them will be the last one against Michigan. I don't care who the best team is it's always a great game. My prediction will be that Michigan will be ranked #2 or #3 by the time they meet. Than it will make the game that much better. OSU should win the rest of their games, if they don't than of course they don't deserve to be #1. This year for OSU to win it all it won't be as much luck as when they won the national title a few years ago. That season was allot more luck than skill. This year it's all skill. If it wasn't for Troy Smith missing the preseason games last year I believe they would have been and won the national title last year.

Good Luck!!
Tim FRick

[Go Bucks]

How can you say the buckeyes have been lucky to win all of their games? You must not have been watching the same games as I was. Granted, they did't play well against Penn St. but they didn't get lucky to win. Sounds like you are a little bit jealous of the scarlet and gray.

Go Bucks

[Duh]

OSU doesen't have a big enough heart to be the Nat Champs. They will fold their tent and once again all you Buckeye Lovers will be crying in your Beer. I have seen it happen many times before with the Buckeyes....always a Bridesmaid never a BRIDE.

[Toolman]

Duh,

What's wrong? Lacking enough cahonas to reply with your "real" name? At least register, so when "D" day comes, you can stake claim to your bragging or take your medicine. Likely a UM fan-who's team is now owned by OSU (Lloyd Carr is Tressel's beeauchh) or a ND fan still smarting from the buttkicking they got vs the last ranked opponents they played (once by OSU).

There's no doubt that there is more parody in today's college football game than ever before. By the end of the season, there may be 3 or 4 teams that may be able to claim to have the right to play for the National Championship. That being said, unless you are football ignorant, or haven't seen the Buckeyes play, you would already know that no team in the country can match up (on paper) with the Bucks personel-wise or hope to out coach Tressel and his staff. The game palyed on the field can turn out unexpectedly, but OSU will remain undisputed # 1 until someone takes it away from them. I personally was hoping that Auburn (hyped by the media as having one of those "tough SEC defenses" would somehow win out, so OSU could kick the crap out of them in the Feista bowl. There's only one team that I'm even the least bit concerned with, and that is UM. THE GAME will be just that this year-a slug fest smash mouth football game between 2 very good teams. Unfortunately the loser may still be the 2nd best team in the country, but will have to settle fr a secondary bowl. I just hope Llloyd and his staff don't coach the Volverines right out of a win before they meet OSU. I challenge you to name one team that is even close to having the talent and coaching staff of the Buckeyes. If it's anyone other than UM...your on crack (and that's a stretch with Llllloyd Carr leading the charge)!

If the Buckeyes win out, they will have beaten a #2 (Texas on the road/night game) a # 13 (Iowa on the road/night game) and another (likely) # 2 team (UM) as well as whoever steps up to the plate at the Feista Bowl on their way to the National Championship this year. Duh-good luck to your team, whomever they may be, maybe next year it will be "their turn".

Tool

BTW-If you remember back only a couple of years, the Buckeyes won the '02-'03 National Championship when they dominated the Miami Hurricanes in the Fiesta Bowl. The Bucks love to go to Tempe ! ;-)

[RickyP]

To say OSU is overrated is just wrong. They are an extremely talented team. I can't understand how anyone that follows college football can say that.

As a Michigan fan I really hope that both teams go into the big game undefeated. With Michigan's resurgent defense and steadier offense, it should be a game for the ages, one that will be talked about for many years to come. GO BLUE!!!!!!!!

[Duh]

OSU and "M" both are "Want To Bees". Every year we hear them scream "WE ARE #1...WE ARE THE BEST" and every year we hear them whine that they would have won except the Refs blew it or the BCS doesent like Big 10 teams....what will their excuse be this year?????

[Fish_on]

Parody: Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty.

Don't think that was the word you are looking for. It was good for a laugh though.

[RickyP]

Very well put Duh. You obviously have a very good grasp of the college football scene. Your comments are very thought provoking.

[More Crying]

Duh, You are right on track. It is obvious that you have watched the OSU/MICH saga for years. It should be entertaining to hear their excuses this year.

[RickyP]

Toolman...I think you will see a different Michigan team playing against OSU this year. Lloyd has replaced both the offensive and defensive coordinators this year and so far the results look good. The defense looks especially good, with both speed and the ability to stop the run. I have a lot of respect for OSU, and the game should be a great one this year.

[Mr.Seaguar]

pearatee is gud. Sumthymes knot phun 2 whach thow

[saugers2]

ok obviously Iowa fans still smarting.....

What was Iowa's excuse....oh yah....just got beat by a better team.

As a Michigan fan, I have to say OU is the creme of the crop right now...hope them and Mich are undefeated till the last game and then the best team wins and goes on to the Championship Game.....just really hope it's Michigan...they have the strongest front 4 on defense that I have seen in years....

[Newby]

If Florida beats Auburn this weekend, they should be the #1 team in the nation. Ohio State is a solid team, but thier schedule is too weak. Northern Ill, Cinncinati, and Bowling Green? Come on, play some teams that have done something in the last 25 years. Plus, they still have Indiana and Illinois coming up. Two teams that can only win a Big 10 game when they play each other(I know Ill beat MSU) Ohio St will remain undefeated to Michigan. If they win, there is no doubt in my mind they deserve to go to the national title.
Toolman, ND has already won two games this year against ranked opponents(GT and Penn St) IMHO the SEC is by far the toughest conference. If Ohio St or Michigan played in that confrence this year they would each have one loss. It is just to tough to play that caliber of team each week and not lose one game. Plus, the SEC plays a championship game.
Everything being said, Michigan and Ohio St are both worthy representatives for the Big 10. Hopefully one of them win out and go to the BCS game. Oh yeah, I am a ND fan and I knew before the season started they were over ranked. There defensive secondary is horrible. They are a top 15 team though.

[Toolman]

Thank you for correcting my poor use of the English language. I obviously should have used the word "parity"-not parody. I'm happy I was able to entertain you. Anyway...if the "Team Up North" can come into the 'Shoe and beat the Buckeyes (assuming they don't lose between now and then-which I doubt) they will deserve to got to the National Championship Game. That's a big IF, considering that the Buckeyes have owned the Wolverines in recent years. BUT, we all know that "anything" can happen in that game.

The SEC is a tough conference, but over rated IMO. As their top-ranked team Auburn proved that last Saturday. Come on-Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Miss, and Miss St. are all comparable to Indiana or Illinois in the Big Ten. Another case of media hype...similar to Notre Dame's trumped up status earlier in the season. Don't want to ruffle any ND feathers, but they have a good (not great) offense and a soft "D". Deserving of a 10th-12th place ranking.

All I'm saying is that no team out there can contol a game with either their offense or defense like OSU...not USC, not West Virginia, not Florida, not Michigan. The balanced attack, big play weapons (Smith, Ginn, Gonzo, Pittman) go three running backs deep, have three QBs that would start for most D1 schools, have 7 WRs that would start for most D1 schools. The O can beat you on the ground or through the air. The D (which only returend 2 starters) has only allowed 1 rushing TD this year! Beat the Bucks and you deserve to be # 1.

Newby-how does Florida beating a team (Auburn) who just got waxed-I mean a good old fashioned butt kicking-at home last week by an unranked opponent (Arkansas) rate a # 1 ranking? It doesn't. I'm not saying that any of the 3 non-conference opponents that OSU played (N. Ill, UC, or BG) are good teams, but all 3 programs have been ranked in the Top 25 in the past two years. I guess that beating #2 and #13 on the road doesn't mean much, does it. Name a "good team" (say top-10) has played a tougher schedule and faired anywhere near as well as OSU? GT is a good team, but inconsistent, and PSU barely qualifies as top-25. I'm still scratching my head over the colossal collapse of that scitzo MSU team? Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

I just call 'em like I see 'em.

BTW-It's not suprising that "duh" (or "more crying") doesn't have a real name or a favorite team.

Tim

[Beavus]

Hey, how the #### did IA get dragged in this?

[DUDE 2]

Tim the only thing I ment by them not being tested is that they have dominated everyone so far, that they havent had a close game going down to the end of a game. Sometimes that will come back to haunt a team when they do get into a close game at the end. I believe OSU should be #1. They have looked very impressive so far. There defense has played better than I thought they would...GO BLUE!!!!

[DUDE 2]

Tim I agreed with just about everything you said until your last comment on how OSU dominated Miami in that championship game. Neither team dominated that game. It was a clasic championship game, with 2 teams that were evenly matched. Still not sure of that phantom call in the end zone though...LOL...Should be a great second half of the season......GO BLUE!!!!!!!

[DUDE 2]

Duh, you have to be an Iowa fan, still crying in your soggy corn flakes..

[Newby unlogged]

Toolman,
Auburn is a solid team who will be in the top ten by the end of the season. They had a bad game against a solid in conference rival. Plus, they were missing a starting LB who would have helped slow down that run attack(but no excuses right) Florida has beat Tennesse(who is looking particularly impressive to me), LSU, Miss St(who is definitley stronger than N. Ill, Cinn, Bowling Green IMO), and Alabama (who finished in top 15 last year) Florida still has Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida St to go. Plus the SEC championship. Thats why I think they would deserve the #1 ranking if they beat Auburn. They have played a much tougher schedule to start and would deserve it IMO.
Also, Michigan has been pretty dominate on both sides of the ball as well. I think OSU will have their hands full when the wolverines come to town. They beat a #2 ranked ND at ND stadium. I know that ND was over ranked, but it is the same as saying OSU beat a #2 ranked Texas.
We will just have to see what happens for the rest of the season. I don't think Florida will get past Auburn this week anyway.

[Toolman]

A bad game?! Getting beat down by that many points AT HOME is an embarassment! Compare it to OSU getting beat by 20 at MSU this weekend, but at least that would be a road loss. So what happens to Florida and Auburns respective rankings if Auburn beats Florida (#2)? Are they now #1 (even though Auburn got spanked like a little baby last week by an unranked opponent)? What happens if OSU and UM are #1 and #2 or #3 when they play? If it as a great battle, as it very well could be, shouldn't both teams be allowed to continue on to play for the NC?

Three weeks ago, While ranked 6th, LSU scored 3 points on then 3rd ranked Auburn, who in turn gave up 30 to Arkansas. The Auburn vs LSU matchup was billed as "The Game" this year in the SEC. If you show up and score 3, or even 7 points in a National Championship game, your fans will be heading for the exits by halftime. My point about the SEC is that the defenses are good, but the offenses are bad. Example-LSU's Jamarcus Russell would be 4th string at OSU or UM or most other schools. Also Dix at Auburn is horrible. Florida's Leek is adequate, but I wouldn't him calling signals for "my" team...especially given the choice of Troy Smith. I'll say that Tennesee looks better this year than they have for a few years. Florida is overall a good team, but I see lots of weaknesses both on O and D.

The bottom line is the Buckeyes are #1 and will stay that way until somebody beats them. I just wish someone would finally finish off USC for cripes sakes. That way UM will ove up to # 2 (where they should be). I can't wait until THE GAME! Don't you just love college football?!

BTW-Not sure that Miss St is better than any of those teams.

Tim

[ERIE REBEL]

OH-IO, GO BUCKS, Okay now that I've said that here are my thoughts on the BUCKS and the Wolverines.The bucks have surprised me in the defesive mode this year.After losing so much talent last year I am surprised that the Ohio D has done as well as it has so far.These kids are learning every week and growing as a force to be reckoned with. As for the offense Troy and the gang are doing quite well thankyou!! Now for you guys north of Toledo, I have watched you play as well. And Though I have been a fan of the scarlet and grey since birth, the wolverines are also playing great ball. When you take out both the Irish and the Spartans the way they did I can't wait until the end of November. As for the guy who said the BUCKS dominated Miami, I want some of whatever you were smoking that night!!! That game was a classic football epic. Heck I could sit down right now and watch the whole game over again!!One of the BEST college games ever seen or played in the history of the game....

[Duh]

DUDE2, Sorry no Hawkeye fans here. Just an old boy who strapped on the pads for Georgia a few years ago and truly believes that OSU and Mich are better at whining when they get beat than they are at playing FOOTBALL. Wait until the Bowl games are announced and you will hear the moans from the OSU/MICH fans on how they got robbed again. it's a scene that has and will continue to be replayed year after year.

[Trophy]

Duh, yea the Bucks and the Wolves, both whine when they lose I will agree with you there. I'm just glad they haven't accepted loosing in stride like the Bulldogs have.:rotflmao:

[DUDE 2]

Well Michigan has its back against the wall this weekend. They have to go into happy valley into the white out without 2 of there best players. Super Mario Manningham is out for 2 to 3 weeks with a bad knee. Mike Hart is questionable for the game cause of an ankle injury he got in the 4th quarter last week. Man its going to be an up hill battle for Michigan to stay undefeted the next 2 weeks. The Michigan defense will have to carry the team the next couple of weeks. Are they up to it, only time will tell.. If anyone else has any info on the status of the players let me know, cause us Michigan fans down here in buckeye land, dont get the news updates very fast............GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Auggie264 Unlogged]

3 words people; HAIL THE BISON!!!

[Nick(Ia)]

Saugers...you got a problem with the Hawkeyes? No excuses made by Hawk fans on this thread or anywhere that I've read. tOSU kicked the crap outta the boyz in Iowa City...that's a real fine football team. Iowa isn't a great team...yet, good but not great. Michigan looks to be very good and we'll get a chance to see em, up close and personal in a week or so, should be a good game if Iowa can get healthy and play their "A" game. Big 10 is tough at the top as Wisky looks to be better than advertised and ready to make some noise. We'll all get a better handle on the SEC when we see them in the bowl games against the Big 10 teams. I think the Big 10 will hold its own.

[DUDE 2]

DUH, give me an example of when Michigan whinned as you call it... I have no idea of what you could be talking about. If any team has an excuse to whine it is Auburn and Penn State in the past. Auburn 2 years ago went 12-0, and didnt get to play in the national championship game cause some stupid computer said that a 1 loss Oklahoma team should have the chance to get blown out by USC. Everyone who knows college football new that USC was going to destroy Oklahoma in that game. Now Auburn vs USC would have been a great national championship game... Just want the best 2 teams to be in the big game.. Penn State has had 2 undefeated years in the past, just to go overlooked by all the experts. So please give me an example of all this whinning that you claim the big 2 in the big 10 do?? With all of the post that you have put on this thread, I really wonder if you even went to college. Your post have been rather juvenile to say the least......

[B Thomas]

Dude 2 See if you remember this???
around 2 minutes left in the game OSU is beating Miami by 3 points like 3rd and 11 Krenzel completes a pass to Chris Gamble- on the replay Gamble had his jersey GRABBED on his fake inside and again when he made the move to the sideline (NO CALL) and he caught the ball with his rear end landing in bounds and the ref called it incomplete- if that call was made correctly OSU has the ball at midfield under 2mins to go in the game with clock winding and there would be NO PHANTOM PASS INTERFERENCE CALL and no OT. I have the game on DVD and Ive shown it to many frame by frame and just proves that the calls even out. Lets talk about not playing anyone??
scUM's schedule and results so far (1 ranked team)
Vanderbilt W 27-7
09/09 C Michigan W 41-17
09/16 at #2 N Dame W 47-21
09/23 Wisconsin W 27-13
09/30 at Minnesota W 28-14
10/07 Mich St W 31-13
10/14 at Penn State W 17-10
Henne had his hands full last night with the crowd noise-All I can say is I cant wait until Nov 18th when its #1 vs 2 at the shoe. Carr will be easily outcoached in the shoe- scUM's defense gave up 200 yards in the air against some lame duck QBs last night.

GO BUCKS

[Trophy]

Brian I hate to tell you this but N.D. is in the rankings by name only. They have as much business in the top 20 as Temple. What I've seen of Michigan so far is they have a guy #80 who's decent at pass rush...and that's about it. I did notice though they like to play dirty with late hits, and extra ciriculars after the play. Henney is gonna take pretty much the same beating that Penn State's trio took last night on Nov.18th. As for Lloyd Carr all I can ask is How has he kept his job as long as he has?? I also posted on the other college football post that Iowa would finish 4th in the conference. I was wrong, they will be lucky to finish 5th or 6th.

[B Thomas]

I agree Kevin,
I like ND almost as little as I do meeeechigan. The AP has us #1 and UM jumping USC to #2. Maybe after Nov 18th the team that deserves the respect finally gets it. Im not smacktalking yet but Michigans "physical" defense really didnt impress me much against a fair Penn State offense. It will be a great game and thankful its at "THE SHOE"

PS Iowa has their feelings a bit hurt so Carr better beware next week!

[your kidding]

>Dude 2 See if you remember this???
>around 2 minutes left in the game OSU is beating Miami by 3
>points like 3rd and 11 Krenzel completes a pass to Chris
>Gamble- on the replay Gamble had his jersey GRABBED on his
>fake inside and again when he made the move to the sideline
>(NO CALL) and he caught the ball with his rear end landing in
>bounds and the ref called it incomplete- if that call was made
>correctly OSU has the ball at midfield under 2mins to go in
>the game with clock winding and there would be NO PHANTOM PASS
>INTERFERENCE CALL and no OT. I have the game on DVD and Ive
>shown it to many frame by frame and just proves that the calls
>even out. Lets talk about not playing anyone??
>scUM's schedule and results so far (1 ranked team)
> Vanderbilt W 27-7
>09/09 C Michigan W 41-17
>09/16 at #2 N Dame W 47-21
>09/23 Wisconsin W 27-13
>09/30 at Minnesota W 28-14
>10/07 Mich St W 31-13
>10/14 at Penn State W 17-10
>Henne had his hands full last night with the crowd noise-All I
>can say is I cant wait until Nov 18th when its #1 vs 2 at the
>shoe. Carr will be easily outcoached in the shoe- scUM's
>defense gave up 200 yards in the air against some lame duck
>QBs last night.
>
>GO BUCKS

[Hawk Eye]

Attn B Thomas, sounds like your "smack talking" to me! Dont get
me wrong, im not fond of Michigan either! BUT even on an off year
throw everything out the window,this game is "generally" very even!
Do i think the Buckeyes deserve to ranked # 1? ABSOLUTELY! This
06 team is very strong on O and Defense! I hate to live in the past
but every time on ESPN CLASSICS, I still remember the "HELP" (Refs)
and the "PHANTOM PASS"! Miami has a legitimate gripe, not to mention
the scrunity of "Clarrett"! Good luck this year, and hope you dont
need any "HELP"! PS GO HAWKS!_CLIFF

[B Thomas]

Call it what you want, like I mentioned the calls went both ways- watch the game a bit closer and you will see that. "It will be a great game and glad its in the shoe" thats about as much respect as I give UM.

[eyesgotu]

I hope some team shuts your mouth up or better yet UofM shuts your mouth up. You sure are talking a bunch of smack for a team that hasn't played any tougher of a schedule and with just as many cupcakes.

Speaking of not playing anyone, OSU has? Texas, they looked horrible, just like ND did when UofM played them and who has OSU played since? Iowa, well enough said. It's Iowa and they didn't look good either even with there ranking and they just lost to Indiana. You should be so proud of that win over a team that loses to pitiful Indiana.

O****U didn't dominate Penn St. anymore then UofM, but they both won. The score was much closer when PSU played O****U, except for 2 late scores by O****U to break it open. Other then that the game was just as close. What game were you watching? UofM dominated PSU for the whole game til the end, and there was no crowd noise because PSU looked horrible on offense and UofM's defense was stopping them every posession.

And for what you call cheap shots, let me recall a few years back when OSU played at Wisconsin and a O****U player was choking the Wisconsin quarterback, which was caught on camera. CLASSLESS jerk coached by a CLASSLESS team. Typical OSU. That's a cheap shot and emabarassing for all OSU fans.

OSU hasn't played any better of teams than UofM and you know it. Get your head out of the clouds and your !@##ss. It's neither OSU or UofM's fault for the opponents sucking and losing to each team.

We'll see who's doing the talking at the end. Oh, and that was a "chicken call" by that ref in the nat'l championship game against miami. OSU did not dominate the game either. The ref should never have made a phantom call like he did. He must have gotten a nice pay off for that b.s. call. What a way to the end the game by having it decided by the refs. Tressel and his gay little sweater vest and the rest of the O****U fans will lose.

[Tim FRick]

Wow, OSU must have whipped your teams butt to get that upset about it. I like these forums allot better than the Dem's vs. Rep's chants. They also last longer on the forum page. ;)

Allot of people are focusing on OSU schudule. I think one should note that they do have a winning streak of 15 games or so now??!?!? Going all the way back to last year. That includes winning their bowl game. Which everybody said they would lose. Have anybody considered that once these teams (Texas, Iowa, etc.) have lost that they realize their season is over so showing up for the rest of the season doesn't mean much and they start to lose to lesser teams. Pretty much once you lose a game ion college ball than your chances are slim to get to a bowl game. So I think allot of these teams went belly up after they lost to OSU. Maybe I'm wrong, but as I stated earlier in these post that UM was going to be #2 or #3 and it will make the last game of the season that much better. I think UM is going to have a harder time with their injuries. I just hope they stay undefeated till we play them. ;)

On a side note, OSU did not dominate Maimi in the National Championship. It was a good hard fought game by both sides.
Good Luck!!
Tim FRick

[Trophy]

Dude look, seek anger management. Save yourself from yourself. Start watching golf before you have a stroke from high blood pressure.

[Justfishing]

Ohio State has already beaten Texas. A top ten team. Florida's noconference is South Miss, Central Florida, Western Carolina, and FSU. So even if they had won I wouldn't have moved them above OSU.

AS an NU fan being in the Big 12 I am not partial to the Big 10. Hate to say itbut both OSU and Michigan look good.

USC beating NU this year is not a great feat. Last big test is ND They may survive because of a weak PAC 10.

Texas has the talent but Brown is not a great coach.

WVU has a good team and a weak schedule so they too are in the hunt.

SEC has a lot of good teams but no particular stand outs, no undefeated teams there.

[bob oh]

Right on Trophy!!! If they whinned every time they were a so-so team they'd have new rivers in Georgia/\... LOL

rod bender bob

[B Thomas]

eyesgotu

1st off Tressel may wear a gay sweatervest but with a 2+million salary you can call it what you want- Im sure he pays more income tax in a year than you make. I absolutely agree with Robert Reynolds' choking the Wisconsin QB, it was uncalled for and personally feel he should have been charged with assault and booted off the team. Texas may have looked horrible but how did OSU look?? Not too shabby I dont think, that is the same team without Vince Young and they are still ranked in the top 5-8 teams but I guess the coaches and writers that vote probably know alot less than you do about that. Like I said before to all you blind, narrowminded clowns that preach about the "PHANTOM PASS INTERFERENCE CALL" watch the freaking game AGAIN (not just the one time live) from about 3mins to go in the game and just see how bad Miami got screwed- they got 2 NON CALLS ON 1Play that gave them the ball back when we should have been in Victory formation. Oh how about having the ball 1st and goal at the 3 in the last overtime??? JUST SCORE AT THE END AND FINSIH IF OFF but they couldnt got 3 yards in 4 plays. By the way, Magahee went out hurt and Dorsey was knocked into outerspace, we had 2 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. Right on we didnt deserve to win that game!

[Newby unlogged]

Trophy,
I have got to tell you I disagree with your statement about Notre Dame. They definitley deserve to be in the top 20. They are 5-1 and have beat some pretty solid teams. Georgia Tech, Penn St, Michigan St(who has fallen apart, but because of ND) and Purdue. Yeah they got smoked by Michigan and came back against Mich St but they are definitly top 20 and by the end of the season they will be top 10. They still have UCLA and USC to go. If they win out expect to see them in a BCS bowl.

[Just Wondering]

Dude2, Did you ever play College Football?

[Trophy]

O.K. top 20 maybe, top 10 no.

[DUDE 2]

I didnt write that thread, I would never use those words or say those things about OSU fans. I love the fact that OSU fans already have OSU winning the national championship. Guys at work think that there is no team that can even give them a game this year. Only time will tell. I would agree though with the statement made by the other guy that both Michigan and OSU havent really had that tuff of a schedule this year. It is disappointing that the big ten isnt stepping up with better teams. Iowa have been a disappointment as has MSU. Wisconsin is coming on and Indiana has a very promising future, good young team.. I dont see either OSU or Michigan loosing before November 18th. But you have to be ready to play every week..... GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!

[DUDE 2]

No I never played college football. The college I went to didnt have a football team at the time. Now they do have one, but way past my prime to go back with my 2 years of elegibility left....LOL...Not alot of possitions for a 5' 11" ---160 lbs tennis player in football.. Any reason for the question? Did I say something stupid for you to wonder.

[Trophy]

I was refering to eyegotsu. Sorry for the confusion.

[bill brown(Ind)]

>Well Michigan has its back against the wall this weekend.
>They have to go into happy valley into the white out without 2
>of there best players. Super Mario Manningham is out for 2 to
>3 weeks with a bad knee. Mike Hart is questionable for the
>game cause of an ankle injury he got in the 4th quarter last
>week. Man its going to be an up hill battle for Michigan to
>stay undefeted the next 2 weeks. The Michigan defense will
>have to carry the team the next couple of weeks. Are they up
>to it, only time will tell.. If anyone else has any info on
>the status of the players let me know, cause us Michigan fans
>down here in buckeye land, dont get the news updates very
>fast............GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey: Havn't seen u on the chat room since the game. Congrats...you guys def. had the better team that day. Hope u can go undefeated the rest of the way..OS/Mich will/ sh be a classic. Good luck that day.
Bill

[Just Wondering]

>No I never played college football. The college I went to
>didnt have a football team at the time. Now they do have one,
>but way past my prime to go back with my 2 years of
>elegibility left....LOL...Not alot of possitions for a 5' 11"
>---160 lbs tennis player in football.. Any reason for the
>question? Did I say something stupid for you to wonder.


No you didn't say anything that made me ask. I was just wondering if you ever played since you seem to have some strong opnions about football. The flare and the adulation for the game is only truly enjoyed and understood when you have been beaten on for four quarters by the All Amercian tackle across from you. At that point in your life you don't care about the score you just want to knock him on his xxx and do it again on the next play. Its a different perspective of the game in the trenchs.

[come on]

Is this terrell owens. He is the only guy that I know that as long as he gets his catches, he dosnt care about the team.. So as long as you have a good game, who cares what the team does... I dont think you really believe that. You may loose every personal battle on the field as an individual, but if your team is winning the game that is what counts. You can always improve your personal performance, and that will only help the team out...

[DUDE 2]

Hey Bill, I am shocked as to the season the big blue is haveing. I guess Lloyd Carr's job is safe for the time being... ND has its show going strong now, and we need them to step it up agianst USC.. Can we count on them??? My wife has been hogging the computer at night so I dont get the computer until after 10:00 pm my time and Im usually sleeping in my chair by then...LOL... See you soon on the chat hopefuly .....

[Trophy]

It's obvious he was a Buckeye, and never had to experience losing!:bowdown:

[Just Wondering]

>Is this terrell owens. He is the only guy that I know that
>as long as he gets his catches, he dosnt care about the team..
>So as long as you have a good game, who cares what the team
>does... I dont think you really believe that. You may loose
>every personal battle on the field as an individual, but if
>your team is winning the game that is what counts. You can
>always improve your personal performance, and that will only
>help the team out...


It's obvious you never played. Yes the score is important and Yes you want to win but in the heat of battle your focus is doing your personal best and if that includes knocking your opponent on his xxx....than you do it and it contains a great deal of personal satisfaction and you have done your part of winning the game.

[cms9999]

USC has one of the toughest schedules in college football..

Easy games left? Come on man, CAL, OREGON, then NOTRE DAME
three weeks in a row...

Your college football knowledge lacks tremendously. USC is 6-0
and has beaten 2 opponents that have only lost 1 game this year.

Your SEC love-affair is comical.

Just the facts... they are 54-4 the last 4 years...
they lost 11 players to the NFL last year, 2-heisman trophy winners,

[b thomas- ul]

USC has 2 losses coming, Washington and ASU gave them all the could handle. The PAC 10 and Big 10 are not the strongest. ND and Cal will beat USC in my opinion.

[DUDE 2]

cms, you are right in a way.. I didnt really know USC's remaining schedule so I did miss that one. Im big enough to say I missed that.. As to your statement about me being in love with the SEC, that is totally off. I think from top to bottom they are the toughest conference this year. They have some good defenses, but there offenses arent as good as other conferences. I agree with Brian that USC will lose hopefully one game to one of those teams. You know though it doesnt matter what USC did in the last 3 or 4 years, all that matters is what they or any other team is doing this year. That is the great thing about college football, every year a team is different.

[cms9999]

USC is 6-0, from most perspectives, it seems like they are 3-3 or possibly worse, based upon their # of points they have won by each game. Ok, so they haven't covered the spread, big deal, they are still 6-0. One more fact to throw your way, Since they have never been behind yet this year, does that have a merit?

One more, I guarantee all IOWA fans would have have been happy to score 32 points last week vs. Indiana....
OH, but wait a minute, maybe that wouldn't have been a victory in your eyes!

[cms9999]

Respect your opinion, for each their own.

I just wish that USC had Notre Dame's schedule leading up to
the Annual meeting. Notre Dame doesn't play anyone but SC the rest of the year. Win or lose for Notre Dame, they will rack up the wins vs. subpar teams like alway, play SC (whose going for the 5 win in a row against them, at USC) pretty bold statement by you! Then go to a BCS game and get there butts kick again!

[Newby(unlogged)]

Notre Dame started with a pretty brutal schedule. They played Georgia Tech, Penn St, Michigan, Michigan St, and then Purdue. 5 pretty tough games to start your season with.
Who holds the lead in the series between the two?

[DUDE 2]

No, a victory is a victory... It doesnt matter if it is by 1 point or by 21. Im guessing you are a USC fan. You would have to admit that USC should be winning these games alot more impressively than they are. I think they are one of the top 5 or 6 teams, but not one of the top 2 or 3.. Just my opinion, and that is what this whole thread is about. Just pure opinions. The only ones who WAY over estimated the team they had this year was the Iowa people.. So now I have to hope that Michigan beats them later today....Lets just wateh the rest of the season unfold, it should be a great 4 or 5 weeks.......GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Trophy]

Newby look at your list of teams that was "brutal" for N.D. It amounts to an average big Ten schedule.

[B Thomas]

I love college football!! After a slow start it was nice to see the Buckeyes get that machine purrring. Every week Smith has at least one play for the Heisman reel. I wish we could just fast forward to Nov 18th right now, the OSU scUM game will have more hype than any ever has. I was glad to see Meechigan step out of their Superman outfits today and squeak by Iowa at the Big House.

By the way who is that chick #83 that is a receiver for ND?? (I know how it is but man does he look like a woman)

[DUDE 2]

Brian, it apears that OSU can turn on there offense anytime they want to. And that may be the difference in the big game on the 18th. I know one thing, Michigan is alot better on offense when Super Mario is in the line up.. There offense looks very ordinary with him sidelined... That I think will be the difference in November. Both teams have easy schedules until them, and Im not sure if that is a good thing.. Michigan always plays up to there compitition, and that I dont like about them.. They looked very lathargic yesterday, and there is really no reason for it. As of this period in the season I would have to give OSU the upper hand, but Michigan has 3 weeks to get there intensity back...Which Im sure they will on the 18th....GO BLUE!!!!!

[B Thomas]

its unfortunate that we let Manningham, Burgess and Crable and Bryan Wright get away. It would have been nice to see them stay in Ohio or for that matter go anywhere else than Michigan!!!! I agree Manningham is a stud, for sure a Heisman candidate next year if he stays healthy. Michigan's D line is very tough but I think their secondary is subject. Watch for Smith to be in the shotgun and run the spread and be more of a factor running the ball on the 18th. Its going to be a brawl for sure, one for the ages! Hopefully being a 3:30 start will give the crowd enough time to get riled up and make noise a factor. I think as Iowa proved yesterday though anything is possible with that Big 10 schedule, one week at a time.

GO BUCKS

[Newby unlogged]

Trophy,
Not sure if that was supposed to be a shot at ND or not, lol. So by average, I assume you are saying there schedule is cake? I will stick by my previous posts. If ND gets past USC, and the rest of their schedule for that matter, expect to see them in a BCS bowl. Deservedly(sp) IMO. Oh, by "brutal" I meant it was a tough way to start a season. I guess they could have played Northern Illinois Bowling Green or Cincinnati instead(lol just a little ribbing, don't get mad)

[Tim FRick]

I'm glad to see your finally starting to believe in OSU. I see the difference between Michigan and OSU is the amount of talent. You can see what happens when Michigan loses there stud. If we lost Ginn (knock on wood) I think we would still be tough with the other talent we have. It's pretty safe to say OSU is a loaded with talent. I'm loving the freshman (Wells) for the future. But on another note the last game of the season is always the best and hardest to win.

I will say this about Indiana, looks like they could have a stud of a QB in the future. Looks like a future troy smith.

Lastly I think we can start calling Troy, Mr. Heisman!!!:):)

Good Luck!!
Tim FRick

[B Thomas]

hmmm Stanford 0-8, AF 3-3, Army 3-5, Navy 5-2, North Carolina 1-6.

[RickyP]

>Hopefully being a 3:30 start will give the crowd enough time to get riled up and make noise a factor.

Speaking of OSU fans, I have to say they are the most obnoxious I have come across in the Big Ten. I have been to 2 UM/OSU games in the horseshoe and I must say, it is the only place where I feared for my as well as my son's safety. He was 10-12 years old and he just couldn't understand why people would behave that way. I couldn't come up with an explanation. There is no excuse for the way we were treated down there in Columbus. We had beer dumped and pop dumped on us, we were cursed at with every four letter word you can think of, and threatened with a tire iron by some fine Buckeye fans, and last but not least our car was vandalized and it cost my insurance company $2400 to fix it. Never again. And both of these games were 12 noon starts. It should really get good when these fine folks have 3-1/2 hours more to get really boozed up.

Come on guys, it's only a football game. Get a grip. Better yet get a life. Come to think of it, some teeth might be good too.

GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[B Thomas]

sorry on behalf of the non-violentOSU fans but if the experience was that bad the 1st time you came to Columbus why did you come for game #2? College Football should be something you can take the kids to without worrying about it being Rated R. I dont condone any acts of vandalism or violence due to your team favorite(even if the victims are Michigan fans) But rest assured this doesnt only go on at "The Shoe". Im sure at the Big House every other year there is some hostility toward the OSU fans the show up.

GO BUCKS

[RickyP]

You ask why we went back for game 2? I was giving OSU fans the benefit of the doubt, thinking that having beer and pop poured on our heads from the runway of the second deck was an isolated incident.

I'm not going to get into an argument about who has the worst fans. I know each school has morons who don't know how to act. It just seems to me that OSU has a larger problem than than any other place I've been.

That being said, I can't wait until Nov. 18th. I can't see either team losing between now and then, making this matchup a colossal battle between 1 and 2. It's going to be a monumental task for Meeeechigan to go into Columbus and beat a very talented Buckeye team.
Michigan's defensive line will have to pressure Troy Smith and at the same time keep him from beating them with his running ability. He's a great playmaker. On the offensive side of the ball, Henne will have to play a great game. A healthy Manningham is a must, and Hart will need to rush for big yardage to allow UM to control the clock and keep the Buckeyes offense off the field as much as possible.

I just wish Bob Uffer was still around to do the play by play.

[Trophy]

I really wish that N.D. would step up and join the Big Ten. I hear all the time how they are so schedule challenged, and in reality They play almost half the conference anyway the only exception is they WILL NOT schedule Ohio State ever again in the regular season. The Buckeyes kicked their Irish tails both in South Bend, and Columbus, and ruined 2 straight national title hopes.

[Thunderstick]

The voters who rank OSU #1 are the same voters who put ND in the Top 10. Are they idiots or do they know what they're talking about? Can't have it both ways.

[Right On]

thunderstick,
Nice job of pointing out to a OSU fan that the Goose and Gander rule applies in football too. I sometimes think that OSU fans are all self appointed experts while their team is #1 and wont recognize that there are other quality teams around. It will be sad when the OSU bubble is broke this year and it WILL happen.

[B Thomas]

Without a doubt I recognize other quality teams, Michigan, Auburn, Clemson, Mount Union, Canton McKInley, Cleveland St Ignatius to name a few. ND is a decent team but not worthy of a BCS title chance especially after getting BLASTED at home by scUM and hands full with Iowa (at home). The Irish could play OSU in Rome and still not win. As far as the OSU expertise, I think Ive forgotten more about OSU's history than you have ever known so dont give me that BS bandwagon crap. I was on the Buckeye Bandwagon as a kid when Bruce got shafted by Jennings the week before the Michigan, suffered through the Cooper gloom going 2-10-1 against Michgan. So I do know a little about the program and history but expert?? No. Do I see Michigan beating us this year? No, Manningham needs to be 100% (still on crutches now) Henne needs to play flawless and Hart has to rush for big yardage. All those things possible?? Sure but probable, No.

[Somethins_Fishy]

No surprise to me that you were abused and your family was subjected to foul langauge and immature behavior . It's OSU afterall . The school that gave college football Woody Hayes, the biggest piece of crap ever to coach a college team . Choked and attacked his own players . Sad !

Look at the fans here, spelling UM scUM ? No class, fans or school . I think OSU has a great football team and deserves their #1 ranking . That being said, I hope UM kicks their a$$es .

LIQUIDATE OHIO STATE !!!! GO BLUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[B Thomas]

sorry not a victim of abuse- dont see how that correlates with being a die hard fan and a person that cant stand (THE SCHOOL UP NORTH is that better?) football. Now the way LLoyd Carr jumps up and down like a school child when he doesnt get a call, that may have some abusive history behind it. Ever hear of a Cleveland Browns fan liking the Pittsburgh Steelers or vice versa?? Florida St fans liking the Hurricanes?? on and on. Its a heated rivalry. As far as Woody Hayes goes, he did some screwed up things and people like you judge by isolated NEGATIVE incidents. Woody HATED to lose and just lost his marbles at the end. But if you do a search, find out how he was committed to recruiting and bringing black players to OSU, find out how he made repeated visits to hospitals visiting dying cancer patients that had nothing to do with fooball. Hayes did far more good on this earth than punching a Charlie Bauman or smacking his own around. Once again, check the history.

GO BUCKS

[Somethins_Fishy]

>sorry not a victim of abuse- dont see how that correlates
>with being a die hard fan and a person that cant stand (THE
>SCHOOL UP NORTH is that better?) football. Now the way LLoyd
>Carr jumps up and down like a school child when he doesnt get
>a call, that may have some abusive history behind it. Ever
>hear of a Cleveland Browns fan liking the Pittsburgh Steelers
>or vice versa?? Florida St fans liking the Hurricanes?? on and
>on. Its a heated rivalry. As far as Woody Hayes goes, he did
>some screwed up things and people like you judge by isolated
>NEGATIVE incidents. Woody HATED to lose and just lost his
>marbles at the end. But if you do a search, find out how he
>was committed to recruiting and bringing black players to OSU,
> find out how he made repeated visits to hospitals visiting
>dying cancer patients that had nothing to do with fooball.
>Hayes did far more good on this earth than punching a Charlie
>Bauman or smacking his own around. Once again, check the
>history.
>
>GO BUCKS

Hehe, Brian, I was supporting RickyP's comments, not talking about you being abused . As an OSU fan, we know you were flawed at birth :P .

As to your "Woody Hayes is Gandi" pitch, no sale here . For many years numerous former players complained about Hayes and his abusive ways . Then when it played out on national television, OSU had no choice but to get rid of him . OSU had turned a blind eye for a long time, but Woody forced their hand in the end .

I hope OSU and UM stay undefeated until the big game . It is setting up to be one of the biggest games in their history .

GO BLUE !!!

[Wrong]

Woody did step outside the circle a few times but that was back when Men Coached Football. Woody kicked butt on the field and off the field donated his life to the less fortunate....Get your history right before you pick on a Legend.

[Go OSU]

fishy....how is Mich going to beat OSU when Mich just barely beat IOWA????



OSU 27
MICH 10

[Toolman]

Marc,

Regarding the treatment you recieved by OSU "fans"-that is wrong and, unfortunately, occurs all to often at many schools, including at U of M (and every other school you could name).

I don't think anyone called Woody Hayes "Ghandi" but as an OSU fan for almost 40 years, I can tell you this-if all college football coaches had the heart that Woody had, this world would be much better for it. He had moments when he didn't show his best side (Baughman in the '79 Gator Bowl-for one) but the man truely lived by one of his most favorite sayings-"You can never pay back, but you can always pay foward". How many coaches today REFUSE pay raises for themselves but recommend them for their assistants? Woody did. I bet if you polled 100 of Woody's former players, to a man, they would say they would have played for no one else.

It's too early to make any score predictions on OSU vs UM. A lot can happen by then but if if the game were tommorrow, OSU would be favored by 4 +/- and they would cover the spread for the 11th time in 12 games.

Tim

[Somethins_Fishy]

>Woody did step outside the circle a few times but that was
>back when Men Coached Football. Woody kicked butt on the field
>and off the field donated his life to the less
>fortunate....Get your history right before you pick on a
>Legend.

So using your position of power as a head coach to physically and verbally abuse your players makes you a man ? He had mind problems . Anyone that hits/chokes people in a wild rage over a college football game has some serious issues . Just like any fan who would throw beer/soda on an opposing fan, verbally or physically abuse them or damage vehicles with the opposing states plates on them have some serious issues as well .

His helping the poor or needy is great, thanks to him for that . But it doesn't dismiss his actions in the other part of his life . No man is a saint, myself included, and we all make mistakes . The difference is what kind of mistakes we make and if we try to not make them again . He was approached many times about his behavior, and yet chose to continue to be abusive . He was a scared, little man who used his position to berate, belittle, and abuse those that he knew were powerless to stop him .

It was no mistake that your "legend" was removed immediately after his primetime meltdown . Evidently not too legendary to have been removed in shame .

I'm not doubting his coaching/recruiting ability, I just don't like bullies of any kind .

[ANOTHER WORTHLESS NUT]

Just who do you think gave " that school up north" the best coach they ever had?? WOODY!! He was the man that helped too form Bo to be another one of greatest coaches of all time. Bo was one of WOODY'S asst. coaches for a few years. Between the 2 of them they created one of the best rivalries this country has ever seen. Ever since the late sixty's, O.S.U. and U.M. is one of the best game's to watch year after year, winning teams or not. Anyone that knows football knows this. Ya, Woody had his time's, but anyone that ever known him, gave him the full respect he rightfully earned. Even Bo.

[Somethins_Fishy]

Hey Tim and OSU fan,

Tim,

I hear ya . Woody was a great coach . I mentioned that in another post . I just can't respect bullies of any kind . I didn't know Hayes personally, so I can only form an opinion of him based on his history and what I saw of him on tv . His primetime meltdown was far from being an isolated incident . I never liked Bo either, as I saw him as the same egocentric, loudmouth bully type, and I love UM !! I find it a bit of revisionist history to paint Hayes as some saint . Sorry, just my opinion . Last I'll comment on Woody as I don't want to hijack this thread or get it moved :) .

As to Michigan beating OSU, it's going to be a tough row to hoe . I believe OSU has a great , talented offense and a decent defense . I believe UM has an average offense that doesn't cough up the ball but doesn't make yards, and a defense that is very tough and will challenge OSUs great offense . As others have mentioned, and as OSU fans I'm sure you realise that all bets are off when it comes to UM/OSU games, no matter what has happened earlier in the season or their respective rankings . I expect it to be a highly emotional game and very fun to watch .

[B Thomas]

Amen Tim and "wrong"

You call him a scared little man and a bully in the same breath, care to explain that statement? You are right, he abused his power of OSU head coach to go to Vietnam to boost the troops, he sure beat them down, I hear Gen Patton hung out with scared little men too. Do us a favor and educate yourself- google search WOODROW WAYNE HAYES and you will see just how much of a cancer he was to humanity.

[Somethins_Fishy]

I disliked Bo as much as Woody, maybe more .

[Somethins_Fishy]

>Amen Tim and "wrong"
>
>You call him a scared little man and a bully in the same
>breath, care to explain that statement? You are right, he
>abused his power of OSU head coach to go to Vietnam to boost
>the troops, he sure beat them down, I hear Gen Patton hung
>out with scared little men too. Do us a favor and educate
>yourself- google search WOODROW WAYNE HAYES and you will see
>just how much of a cancer he was to humanity.

Brian,

I'm done with the Woody thing in this thread . I believe we've all made our opinions of him clear enough . You won't change my mind, I won't change yours . If you feel compelled to continue this, lets do it via email as I don't want to get this thread moved/closed .

[Toolman]

No more on Woody talk from me other than to say that he was a great coach and a great man who will always be judged by one indescretion. He wasn't a bully but was a man respected by his peers (maybe feared for his tough football teams) and respected by his players. Like I said, ask 100 (heck-ask 1000) former Buckeyes who played for Woody-I'll bet the respect and admiration they recount for the man might change your opinion of him.

As far as your statement <<I believe OSU has a great , talented offense and a decent defense>>

Yah-their defense the #1 scoring defense in the Nation!

Tim

[home grown]

Stop right there my friend. There is more than 1 BCS bowl so some team other than the National Champs has to play those games. They (BCS) likes to take the BEST traveling schools with the best records, they have to fill these games with fans. The BCS Bowl games payout an average of 14 Mil. to each team. They will not send a bad team without fan support. ND is a historic college with millions of LOYAL fans that will travel to the ends of the earth to watch them play. If they are 10-2 at years end plan on watching them in a BCS Bowl game, and thats a fact!
Good for you that OH. ST has a chance at the National Championship. If they are the best this year why should you care who else gets anything? Watch the games and love them for what they are>>>> Kids playing a tough sport for FREE or atleast to get a good education.

P.S. I can't stand ND and all their loyal fans, but the same could be said for the likes of IA or Neb. They travel well and get to play in Bowls year in and year out they don't deserve.

[Somethins_Fishy]

>>As far as your statement <<I believe OSU has a great , talented offense and a decent defense>>
>>
Yah-their defense the #1 scoring defense in the Nation!

>>Tim


Yup, and UM is #1 against the run in the nation ! Tate, Iowas QB said that he felt UM was the toughest defense by far that they had faced this year . That was ofcourse after they had already played OSU .

UM will pressure OSU's backs in a way they haven't seen . If UM has a liablity it's DBs . OSU's passing game is very good, and could make the difference in the game if they exploit UM's DBs . Hopefully for us UM fans, the defensive front will penetrate OSU's pass protection and create havoc in the backfield . A few timely sacks and squashing the OSU running game could do the trick .

Only time will tell ;-) .

[B Thomas]

I agree, enough Woody- (never said he was a Saint-just alot better than most thought) I have had a conversation or 2 with another die hard buddy and, well somethins_fishy, I have to say I finally agree with you(ha ha) Michigans front 7 are as good as any and I think our running game will be very limited. I also saw Drew Tate have a decent day on M's secondary. SO, as I said, TSmith, IMHO, will spend most of the day in the shotgun and spread moving the pocket giving the run/pass option to soften the backers and dbacks up. One thing in our favor with Henne is that if he doesnt have his #1 or 2 guy open he tucks it under and takes off and rarely takes a dive which could result in a fumble or a big hit. In reality though we need to get by Minnesota, Illinois and NW- Id hate for all this junk talking to go down the drain because of a let down loss before Mich.

GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Newby unlogged]

Well, I don't really think that correlates to anything. ND kicked Penn St up and down the feild all day. OSU had a tough time with PSU. Every week is a new week for a football team. Penn St and Iowa are both quality teams. Mich and OSU are both excellent teams. Teams won't play there best ball every week. What matters is they continue to win. Michigan beat Iowa soundly, just as OSU beat PSU soundly.

As for the OSU fans being c@cky. They have a right to be that way until somebody shuts them up. Although, if Michigan beats them I bet they will still be on here complaining how they got robbed or should have won if they did this, that or the other.

"If IT's and BUT's were Cowboy Nuts We'ed All Ride High in the Saddle"

[Trophy]

There was no doubt who the number 1 team coming in to the season was. The rest of the field reall was up for grabs. The political games played in the polls is rediculous and we all know it. N.D. carries a ton of clout, and they get more votes than they deserve a lot of the time.

[Perch]

Well, Im just glad all the Iowa fans are quiet now, finally.........I mean it took a couple good beatings to make them realize that they were dreaming this year.............Now perhaps by Bowl time when Michigan plays in some other state than Arizona, they'll all wake up and shut-up too !!!

GO BUCKEYES !!!!!!!!!!

[bob oh]

come on, the same old whin -- there were bad calls both ways and if the bad calls hadn't went again OSU during the game there wouldn't have been an overtime! Give it a rest, Miami trashed talked and beat their chests before the game then got hit so hard they forgot where they were.
Seems like I remember some Iowa trash talk here a couple weeks ago ??? Been kinda quiet lately LOL

rod bender bob

[B Thomas]

glad someone else watched the game more than once bob!

[B Thomas]

Michigan beats Iowa soundly?? 20-6 and penn state 17-10,MSU 31-13. OSU beat Iowa 38-17 and PSU 28-6, MSU was 38-7. Now here is where all the MICHIGAN lovers (Or OSU haters) will jump my case---Granted this is just some worthless number stuff that wont mean much but Michigans margin of victory over PSU and Iowa and MSU was 39 pts and OSU's was 74 against the same 3 teams they both have played.

the only excuse we will have against michigan is not scoring enough points WIN or LOSE.

[Trophy]

Brian don't get wrapped up in the numbers game. Tressel will not run up the score on an opponent. If the 4th string can score so be it, but he will not embaress another team.

[B Thomas]

Kevin,
Like I mentioned, its a worthless fact but it just shows the comparison of our points scored and how few points our D has allowed against the teams we've both played thus far. the 44-3 game last week was a total shock that he put that many points up. Anyone that knows anything about Tressel Ball knows he doesnt run scores up.

[erieeyes]

Another big fact is that two of the three Ohio State games were on the road while two of the three Michigan games were at home. Its a lot harder in the big ten to go on the road and soundly beat up a team in their own stadium.

[Newby unlogged]

Yes, Michigan beat Iowa soundly. You don't consider two touchdowns a sound beating? As for the point diffrences, ND beat Penn St 41-17. Michigan beat PSU 17-10. Who is the better team? And I am not a Michigan fan, or an OSU hater. I am a Notre Dame fan so everything goes my way, even when we lose, lol.
And for the whining, I seem to remember reading on here last season how Ohio State was really better than Texas last year but Troy Smith didn't get to play the entire game. That is where my comments came from.

[DUDE 2]

Nope you are wrong on this one Brian. Michigan fans that go to the big house are the most layed back and uninspired fans in all of college football. I have been to some OSU vs Michigan games and it is the only game of the year that the fans stand on there feet for some of the game. But you can take your young child to any Michigan game at the big house, and know that you and your child will be safe at all times.. Most of the people that go to Michigan football games are rich yuppy alumni that would be to embarresed to get up and act excited for an entire game....I live here in the canton ohio area, and there are quite a few Michigan fans in this area. But the closer you get to columbus, forget it. I would never as a Michigan fan go to a OSU football game wearing Michigan colors. OSU fans are way to beligerant, and I have talked to OSU fans that live here and they agree that OSU fans are beligerant in columbus....

[DUDE 2]

Ricky, wasnt uffer the best!!!!! I loved when he would say General Bo George Patton Schembechler.... There was so much excitement in his voice. Frank Bechman has filled in pretty good, but Bob Uffer was was one of a kind..... I loved the blowing of the horn on TD's. He would blow it while he was screeming into the mic.. We have a record from back in the late 70's that was some of Bob Uffer best calls in Michigan football, it is a classic.. Man you made me think of the good ol days.......Thanks

[Trophy]

Last year against Texas the dropped pass by Hamby cost the Buckeyes the game, and the National title. Maybe if Smith would have played the whole game the Bucks could have put it out of reach, but who knows. It was last year anyway.

[irish fan]

Isn't college football awesome..Just can't wait for the 18th,should be a great game. The winner will be playing for a national championship, Unfortunately the loser won't.. (wife is an oso grad)

As for the Irish they do catch 2 breaks, Soft schedule left and playing USC after they have played 2 very tough conference game's(oregon and cal)..

So let;s all sit back and watch how this all plays out before the BCs games are announced for Jan..

I'm sure there will be a few surprises in game pairings for these BCS ganes. Probally at least one scenario none of us posting would have thought of..

Notre Dame campus sure is beautiful this time of year..

Go Irish

[Typical]

Typical OSU fan...crying over a loss a year later. Get a life. After Mich pummels OSU you will have more to complain about.

[Erieeyes]

At least OSU was only one play away from beating the eventual national champs.

How well did those wolverweenies fair the game before against Texas? Sure made for a nice VY highlight film!

I work with a UofM football player that played in the late 80's. It provides for good debate. A few weeks ago he was all pumped up since finally OSU and UM were playing common opponents. He said we would be able to compair the performances.

I asked him the other day what he thought about the UM/Iowa game. I pointed out how soundly OSU beat Iowa in Iowa. His reply was when UM played Iowa at Michigan, Iowa had some stud players that they didn't have during the OSU game. Some how that translates the Michigan win into a more impressive win compared to the OSU victory at Iowa.

Anyone can come up with excuses including ex-Michigan football players. I can't wait for the Monday after OSU beats UM. I will be sure to come back here and posts his excuses for the Michigan defeat.

[B Thomas]

I hate to get off the subject Dude2 but do you have the TS202?? I live in Canal Fulton, just moved here from Canton. Shoot me an Email if you would Brianoh24@yahoo.com. Id like to talk to you more about your boat.

[B Thomas]

Newby,
the Texas game is the ONLY one where I questioned JT's coaching- If you look back every series Smith was in ended up in some points either a FG or the lone TD so why keep the guy that's producing on the bench and give Zwick the opportunity at the end to fumble? And Hamby's uncontested juggling act tryout for Ringling Bros hurt so yea I guess those are excuses but reality is Vince Young did too much and we lost at home- have to take care of your home turf.

[B Thomas]

who mentioned first about the Texas game last year?? Wasnt any of us and by the way, we arent the ones whining about a "phantom interference" call against Miami either. The talking will be done on the 18th, bottom line.

[DUDE 2]

Brian I used to own a tournament 202 boat, but I dont anymore. how are you liking your new 22 foot ship? I live just north of you off rt 93, in the manchester school area. But my kids go to Northwest---better school.....

[eyesgotu]

Maybe UofM won't make the Nat'l.Championship game and maybe they will, but after all is said, the UofM players won't be the one's wearing stripes down there front and backs, as will the OSU convicts, which that they are. One good thing, is if UofM loses, all OSU haters can hope that all the OSU fans will riot and burn that worthless city down. The "Buckeyes" are a bunch of "queer" nuts.

[Trophy]

The whole thing of the Buckeyes being a bunch of convicts because of one idiot (Clarett) is getting old. In fact if you listen to the post game interviews on the radio, the Buckeye players do not talk any smack, they always compliment their opponents strengths, and show tremendous respect towards the coaches and the university. That is a result of Tressel not only recruiting great players, but also good kids. You must realize that when you recruit as many kids as the Buckeyes do, a bad egg is bound to show up eventually. Can you give me a name of anyone else that Tressel brought in who has been in trouble besides Clarett? I can't think of any. One thing that really impresses me about the Buckeyes is when you interview a player there is no chest beating, trash talking, and they do something that I have never heard a Wolverine do and that is speak in complete sentences, and be articulate in the conversation. Communication skills are a sign of intelligence, and that is why Jim Tressel has excelled as a coach, and that is why Ohio State wins, and that is why the rest of college football would give their groin jewels to have him as their coach. The John Cooper street thug days in Columbus are over. Tressel runs a clean ship, and he gets the most out of his players, and coaches. Buckeye haters face it your jelous.



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[RickyP]

Trophy...Please don't think that eyesgotu speaks for all UM fans. This guy has problems and can't add anything constructive to the discussion. As a lifelong Michigan fan, I have the utmost respect for the OSU program. I regard Woody right up there with the greatest coaches of all time. I am constantly amazed at the talent that comes out of the Ohio high schools football programs year after year. Anyone who can't see this is lying to themselves.

That being said, I think one of the biggest mistakes OSU made is when they fired the great John Cooper. It would have been nice to see him hang around forever. ;)

[eyesgotu]

Jealous? That's funny. Just like you and rest of your crony OSU budddis were when in the past UofM was smacking your bucks every year. I'm sure you were jealous too that UofM was handling and throttling your bucks back then, when OSU lost 6-7 or whatever it was and Cooper went what 1-10 or something like that. Just like now OSU is doing the same now. Things have changed for now, but before too long things will change again. Things never stay the same. Enjoy your winning ways. Everything must come to end. All great teams have there spurts of good years and bad.

All the rest of you OSU fans must have some really nagging wives and kids that never shut up. NAG,NAG,NAG and don't when to shut up. Your like a bunch of annoying wind up dolls. You should really stop, and quit acting like your wives and kids. I think i know a team "UP NORTH" who can come down and punch you and your crony OSU buds in the mouth. Save the talking for after the game. Being cocky is one thing and saying you have already won the game is a bit of hand. Both are great teams and should make for a interesting game to say the least. It will be close just as it is every year, no matter what the record is for each team.

[eyesgotu]

Ricky P, i'm not speaking for all uofm fans, and most in particular for you. There's nothing too constructive coming from OSU fans from what i've read, so what comes around, goes around. You give way too much praise for a team that no uofm fan can stand. Granted they have a good team, but so does UofM.

[B Thomas]

No Kidding! I live off Denshire, right where 93 and Strausser intersect. You cant argue with the school systems here. I only have a 2 year old and another on the way but they will go to school at NW. By the way, Lets just say I love fishing on the boat but the riding part isnt the best. Email me and I'll tell you more but I was curious on your thoughts on your 202, so far Ive talked to 3 others that have the 202 and they liked it alot
. BrianOH24@yahoo.com

Brian

[B Thomas]

oh by the way, OSU 44 minnesota 0 Uof M 28 Minnesota- 14

[B Thomas]

U can say "a team that no UofM fan can stand" but when we describe our hatred toward your team we get blasted. eyesgotu (unlogged coward)just promise this, step out from your Spiderman suit IF Ohio State wins on the 18th and eat your words. Nobody here has guaranteed a win from Ohio. Lets just admit it, we hate you as a school and you hate us as a school thats what rivalries are made of. But the days of John Cooper's choking in the big games are long gone, admit that. That is such a great point about Coopers 1-10 record against Michigan (actually Einstein it was 2-10-1) but those days have been over since JT has come in and now LLOYD is 1-4 against him. How bout getting with the current era? There is NO WAY ON GODS GREEN EARTH that Carr can outcoach Tressel, thats been proven the last 5 years.

Go Bucks - In Tressel We Trust

[Trophy]

To prove my point you spell buddy's this way not budddis. I guess the grammer skills of the Wolverine players wore off on the UofM fans.:banging: :rotflmao:

[eyesgotu]

So typical and chidlish as an OSU fan to point that out. Heaven forbid someone should make a grammar mistake. I'm sure an OSU person like yourself never makes grammar mistakes. Although, your one mistake is living in Ohio. I'm sorry for your mistake in calling that home. The white trash have to live somewhere to call home. I always knew that the "i" in Ohio stands for "IDIOTS".

[Wrong]

Trophy, Check your own spelling

Buddy's......NO

Buddies......YES


Lookslike nobody in trhe BIG TEN can spell.

[Oh Yea]

Michigan 27

Ohio State 17

[Newby]

How long will this thread stay open in the boneyard? It was a good thread and it is unfortunate that someone had to get out of line. Hopefully we will be able to read it after the 18th. I like looking back at everyones predictions.