BCS Debate

[B Thomas]

I guess the argument for who should play OSU wont be settled for a few weeks. I guess I have a difficult time understanding if there was an OSU-Michigan rematch why would OSU have to beat them twice to be national champs and Michigan has to win once? We are outright big 10 champs and you shouldnt be playing for a national title as a 2nd place conference team. This may be a waste of time because I really dont think the point separation between Michigan, USC, Florida, ND, and Arkansas will last with each having a couple games left. Also I have changed my opinion on Herbstreit, before the game he says no way no how should there be a rematch no matter what the outcome and then after the game he changed his tune. Also he was clearly trying to show the world during the game that he was not biased to OSU--after a while I was convinced he went to UofM!

50 days and counting for Glendale!
Go BUCKS

[Terroreyes]

It's real easy. Michigan is clearly the #2 team still. The BCS doesn't and should take into acount personal and TV viewers ratings/feelings. Who cares if it's a rematch. It's still #1 vs. #2, the way it should be. What you afraid of??? LOLOLOL I could see if it was a blow-out, but it was far from.

If Ohio beats them a second time, no doubt who's #1. But short of a blow-out by Michigan in the rematch, #1 is up in the air IMHO. Ohio State could lose a tight rematch and still end up #1. Probably fitting.


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[Hawgeye unlogged]

I too feel that Michigan is still #2. Heck, they went to OSU and kept it to within 3 points. Usually home field nets a +3 differential so if they played on neutral field, even!?

I'd love to see a rematch for the title. I am even a OSU fan.

OSU vs Michigan...

I can see why you are nervous for that to happen again...after 7 weeks of not playing, who knows what might happen!

[crppieman ul]

Being from and growing up in Nebraska but now living in Kansas, My ties are to the Big Twelve. That being said, Ohio State and Michigan are clearly the best two teams in the country, No One is in the same class at present time. My opinion is there would be nothing wrong with these two playing for the National title. It would not be the first time two teams have faced each other twice in the same year nor I believe even for the national title. My opinion is these two could and should play for the title. The fair thing in my mind would be that if they play again and Michigan won but there was no blowout then we need a split title, again nothing new. If Ohio state wins it clear that they are national champs and rightly so.

[JJ Mac]

The biggest scam will be if Notre Dame scrapes by USC and they get to play for the title.

What a great game it is was though...been a long time that a football game has captured my interest every snap.

[Roddy]

This is why the NCAA needs a playoff system in football. A team could have one bad game during the year and be knocked out of title contention. We have 7 weeks until the national title game. A 32 team playoff would only take 4-5 weeks. This would also allow the small conferences a shot at the title. If the NCAA went to a playoff system I wonder how many times we may see a team with 2 losses win the national championship. With the current set-up teams that intentionally set up a tough schedule (Notre Dame) get penalized. Teams in tough conferences are also eliminated from national contention. Wisconsin has one lose this year and the last I saw they were rated 12th! With a national playoff I would be glued to the TV during games. I can’t believe this wouldn’t be bigger than the NCAA basketball tourney and make a lot more money than the current bowl system.

[saugers2 ul]

:horsepoop:

you think Notre Dame sets up a tough schedule....lol....

Army, Navy, Air Force, North Carolina....come on....

Sure they played Michigan, and got spanked.

Sure they played Michigan State (8 losses) and barely won....

Sure they played Penn. State, and won it...probably the only game that matters in the BCS. Maybe G. Tech.

I would bet the spread would be 20 if they played Ohio State.

If Mich. and Ohio State had played in the beginning of the year with the same result, this wouldn't even be a conversation. They would be 1 vs. 2 and going to AZ.

[Somethins_Fishy]

Brian,

You have to remember that the BCS isn't a playoff system with representives from each division in a playoff format . This is exactly the reason the BCS system is flawed and needs to be changed . Teams are judged on the strength of schedule, performance against other teams and points scored/allowed . Michigan is clearly the #2 team when considered this way . And in this system, the computer does all of the math and says UM is it .

Michigan is clearly the top contender . They still retained their #2 ranking after the loss, and rightly so . They scored 39 points on OSU at OSU and only lost by 3 points .

All of that being said, because of the complaints from the rest of the conferences that it's unfair to have 2 teams from the Big 10 playing for the championship, I doubt UM will be in the championship game .

It seems that every year there is some controversy with the BCS . It always leaves some team thinking that they were the better team and got passed up by a computer without an opportunity to play for the right to go to the NC .

College football with be better served using a playoff system, and I believe we'll see one soon .

[Tim FRick]

There's a couple things that I'm glad for from this weekend. One is of course OSU won the other is that the rutgars final lost. To think they would have a chance for the national title is crazy. Now if OSU didn't turn the ball over as many times has they did than this would not have been a close game. You have to admit that we would scored atleast once if not another time. Some of the calls were questionable but it seemed like they went both ways (personal foul on the center?!?!?). I'm also glad the field wasn't as much of a factor, with the new sod. I think you'll have allot of screaming from the other teams if Michigan is to get a shot at the national title. Do they deserve it, maybe. But I said before that whoever loses shouldn't get a shot at it. But with all the one loss teams out there I would give Michigan the #2 spot too. As for the playoff system, I heard it best by some media person. He basically said that if we had that than teams would not play certain players till the playoffs so that there rested to win the national title. That being said than you wouldn't have great rivalies like Michigan and OSU games.

Go Bucks!
Tim FRick

[vetspet.ind]

i think it should be the bears...they have earned a chance at #`1 ranking all season...if the bears are overlooked, then i'd go with purdue...they havent even been given the chance to compete against osu and they beat indiana by a greater margin...thats my picks and i'm stickin with it

[vetspet.ind]

btw...for all you envirogeeks who miss my debates on this site back when, since politics, religion, environment, and ethics has been banned, you now can enjoy my in depth coverage of sports events...and i defy anyone here to say the bears couldnt give osu a good game

[hawkeyeone]

Is that "RUDY" or Roddy proposing that Notre Dame schedules a tough season?

[Sorry But]

Michigan had their shot at the Championship. Somebody else needs to play OSU. The only way that Michigan should get another shot is if the Tigers get to play the Cards again for that Championship.

[pepe]

i think you had better check the schedules. nd, played geogia tech, not akron, they played mich, and mich state. not western mich and then estern mich. check the strenghth of the schedule at the start of the season. im surprised you havent discovered mcnesse state. thats one that kansas state dropped off their schedule. all the major schools play soft teams at the beging of the season, except nd...pepe

[not true]

Osu played Texas at the beginning of the year. Not to soft if you ask me.

[saugers2 ul]

What does strength of schedule at the beginning of the year have to do with it....Mich played some cream puffs too, but ND takes the cake on the cream puff schedule every year....the strength of schedule based on how teams finished is much more important than preseason ratings.

Just let them play a Big 10 or similar conference schedule (Big 12. SEC, Pac 10)....I count 6 weak teams on their schedule.

Oh ya, I just checked the preseason SOS and low and behold...Michigan was 3rd, Ohio State was 22nd and your beloved ND was 42....:rotflmao: ....just what are you lookin' at?

[pepe]

im looking at espn.com. osu played northern ill their first game and beat them 35-12 they played texas next and then played mighty cincinati. nd. played georgia tech, penn state, mich, mich state, thats for openers. we can continue this arguement for ever, but the fact is that osu is #1 and mich is #2 end of argument....pepe

[saugers2 ul]

:Wedgie:

[Sportdog]

I'm not going to take the time to look up all the information, and I'm sure that someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I would like to see overrated ND get a shot at OSU. That way ND could extend their NCAA record consecutive bowl game losses. Because of the national popularity of ND the bowls can't wait to get them. Years back when ND beat Miami at home by a slim margin, and ND lost at home to Purdue I believe, Miami went on to be declared #1. The mantra at Notre Dame was "Head to Head", ignoring the fact that Miami lost on the road to a top ranked team and the Notre Dame loss was at home against a mediocre team. By using the Notre Dame fans mantra....Michigan over Notre Dame at Notre Dame, "Head to Head"! case closed! Michigan pounded Notre Dame at Notre Dame this year and should not get a shot over Michigan. If USC wins out I see OSU against USC with a win by the Buckeyes. It should be interesting.

[RickyP]

The BCS is not perfect, but I think it works ok. I would hate to see a playoff, as it would mean that the regular season would not be nearly as important as it is now under the current system. The way it is now, every game during the regular season is huge, sort of like a playoff every week.

I think there will be a rematch if USC loses one of their remaining games against ND or UCLA, and if Florida loses again. If either of these teams wins out, I think they would deserve a shot at OSU. I don't see how you could give the nod to a one loss ND team over Michigan. The other team that not too many people mention is the one loss Arkansas team. I know they are down a ways in the BCS standings, but I think I would be okay with them playing OSU for the title if they only have one loss. I realize they got blown out by USC early in the season, but playing in the tough SEC should count for something.

That being said, I do believe that Michigan is the second best team in the country, and the only team that would have a legitimate shot at beating OSU. But why should OSU have to beat them twice to win the championship? But on the other hand, shouldn't OSU have to beat the second best team in order to win the championship, even if that team is Michigan?

It will be very interesting to say the least. And no matter how it plays out there will be lots of unhappy teams and fans who will want to do away with the BCS. Be careful what you wish for. College football is unique, and I would hate to see it turned into what college basketball has become. A regular season that means nothing. Just play well enough to get into the tournament.

[pepe]

you are right. your information is all wrong. notre dame beat florida state at home. then went on the road and lost to boston college. later, both teams having one loss florida state was given the #1 and notre dame was #2. lou holtz said i thought we beat florida state during the season. the same thing could happen to ohio state,(who i think should be #1). they could lose to, say florida or usc or arkansas. (notice i left notre dame out of it). and lets say michigan beats one of the other teams bad in another bowl game, who will claim the #1 spot then? it could be michigan, who alreaady lost to ohio....pepe

[MN_Moose]

The aforementioned OSU / Michigan game WAS the national championship. Any remaining games are back to the ways of the old bowl games. Just a party for the alumni.
That was a great game. And I'm not for either OSU or Michigan. But if Noter Dames get in there, I'd be p'd.

[Unreg nobody]

Why should it matter if the NC game was already played?
Intresting question though. What if ND did makes it and beats OSU? Who gets the title then? Mich beat ND, OSU beat Mich, ND beat OSU. Man that would be funny. Not going to happen though because ND can't make it in.

[ERIE REBEL]

Me being an almost senior citizen OHIO STATE BUCKEYE fan would like to see OSU and USC play the game. BUT IF they say play scUM again Then I say BRING IT ON!!!!!Oh and by the way who the heck is Norte Dame???!!!!????!!! OH-IO,GOOOO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!:grd:

[crappieman ul]

lol!!! Hey ER, its not good to keep things bottled up!!!! Tell us how you really feel about them Buckeye's!!!!lol

[Somethins_Fishy]

>lol!!! Hey ER, its not good to keep things bottled up!!!!
>Tell us how you really feel about them Buckeye's!!!!lol

I kinda cringe everytime I see him post scUM, but can respect his devotion to his team, even if it's misguided :arse: .

It's all in good fun, no one get excited and wack the post please !


GO BLUE !!!!!!!!!

[175ru]

please explain why the bucks have to beat the school up north again to really be #1. they are really #1 after already beating the school up north. if after everything is all said and done they will beat whoever they face, especially the previously mentioned beat school

[Somethins_Fishy]

>please explain why the bucks have to beat the school up north
>again to really be #1. they are really #1 after already
>beating the school up north. if after everything is all said
>and done they will beat whoever they face, especially the
>previously mentioned beat school

Mainly because the BCS rules call for the #2 to play #1 and OSU only beat them by 3 at home .

[Sportdog]

Thank you for setting the facts straight, I knew that someone would. That being said, the crux of my comments ring true. Even though I was pulling for Michigan against OSU, I would rather see a different match-up in the BCS #1 game. No matter who the opponent, it looks like OSU is going to be at the top of the heap. But, that's why the game is played. The Buckeyes must prove it on the field one more time. Being a MSU fan I will be pulling for all Big Ten schools in the bowl games. Enjoy the games everyone!

[Somethins_Fishy]

>Thank you for setting the facts straight, I knew that someone
>would. That being said, the crux of my comments ring true.
>Even though I was pulling for Michigan against OSU, I would
>rather see a different match-up in the BCS #1 game. No matter
>who the opponent, it looks like OSU is going to be at the top
>of the heap. But, that's why the game is played. The Buckeyes
>must prove it on the field one more time. Being a MSU fan I
>will be pulling for all Big Ten schools in the bowl games.
>Enjoy the games everyone!

I agree, if it's not Michigan in the NC game, I'll be rooting for the Bucks all of the way .

[Terroreyes]

:exactly: #1 vs. #2 :rules: , not what scared Ohio State fans want to see. Or more like what they DON'T want to see.

If they'll beat ANYONE :cookoo:, then why care?

<why the bucks have to beat the school up north
>again to really be #1>
Because if you want to be #1, you'll have to do better than 3 points at home on that farse of a field. LOLOL Whatcha afraid of??? You know the Wolverines will spank y'all on neutral territory. That's what's bothering you, huh??




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[B Thomas]

Terroreyes, I think after Saturday night there was proof that either team was afraid of anything. They left it all out on the field. I just dont think it justifies a rematch- if they would meet again and Michigan would beat OSU then we would have a gripe for a 3rd rematch. You shouldnt have to beat the same team 2x back to back to win the title especially when you beat them for the outright conference title and they have to beat you once for a title. I know how tough it would be beat them again but there is no doubt in my mind that we would. It was no fluke that we piled up 500yds total offense, (the only flukes in the game were 2 fumbled snaps in the shotgun-hasnt happened all season) It is what it is and cant wait to play whomever on Jan 8th.

GO BUCKS!
Bring home another one!

[Buckeye]

First of all, I think the Buckeyes would relish the opportunity to beat (sc)UM twice in one year. Take away the uncharacteristic 3 turnovers by the Bucks and the game Saturday night could easily have been a blowout for them. Credit (sc)UM for taking advantage and turning them into points like good teams do but without those gifts, it's a way different ballgame. With that said, if there was a rematch and (sc)UM won, they split for the year and we have a controversy. The solution is a playoff system.

But we have the BCS system so weak non conference scheduling of Wisc. Badgers (Bowling Green, Western Illinois, Buffalo) and Notre Dame's peachy regular scheduling (Army, Navy, NC) penalize them in the computer portion of the BCS ranking system, and probably also in the human polls. At the end of the day, (sc)UM's non-conference schedule's weakness (Central MI, Vanderbilt, Ball St.) may keep them out of the title game. Had they scheduled Texas, Nebraska, Auburn, etc. and won, they'd probably survive to play for the title even if USC won out.

One loss teams should and do get rewarded in the polls for scheduling tough non-conference games. WVU had little or no chance of making the title game even before Rutgers beat them because they had a cake non-conf lineup. Same with Boise St. and Rutgers.

USC has a very solid non conference schedule with wins over Nebraska and Arkansas plus the PAC 10 schedule. If they win out I don't know how you can deny them a shot at the title.

With 50 days to prepare I'd bet against whoever plays against any Jim Tressel coached team. The Buckeyes will be ready.

[Sportdog]

pepe, recheck your information. the Notre Dame loss according to the Boston College website was at South Bend. That home loss to eventual #13 Boston College cost the Irish the chance to play undefeated and eventual #3 Nebraska whom Florida State defeated. A one touchdown road loss to then #2 ranked Notre Dame did not hurt Florida State as much as a home loss to #13 Boston College. The Irish ended up at #2 with a 24-21 win over Texas A&M. Florida State won the national championship with a 18-16 win over Nebraska.

[Terroreyes]

I said fans, not team. They both gave it their all. How many yards did the mighty OSU defense give up on their side? Atypical on both sides.

Bottom line, if USC loses or doesn't have a decisive win over Notre Dame....... UofM still #2!!! Like it or not, #1 plays #2, regardless of how much you guys know you can't do it twice. :) Fear doesn't play into the selections. LOL

If you REALLY thought OSU is what you claim they are, you wouldn't be scared and just say.......... BRING IT!!! Bring the best! Do you really want to be known as skirting the real #2 team because people don't want to have a rematch for whatever reason?

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[GR]

O is for OhYeah, bring anyOne On
H is for #### yeaH, even MeeecHigan
I is for bIg 10 champIons
O is for Oh my, the Buckeyes R the best team in the natiOn

I believe the entire OSU organization would love the chance to end the Meechigan debate with a re-match.

but ....... OSU "IS" going to the Title game. PERIOD

The fruit of a Ohio Buckeye (Aesculus glabra) is a round or oblong spiny capsule 4-5 cm diameter, containing 1-3 nut like seeds ,2-3 cm diameter, brown with a whitish basal scar. The fruit is poisonous to humans, horses, cattle, and wolverines. In the mid-1800's, the State of Ohio encouraged property owners along the north western borders to plant Buckeye trees to thwart the advance of the nuisance wolverines . <when the Buckeye nut poisons wolverines, you can hear the animal whine.> Buckeyes are considered lucky in native Indian and pioneer folk-lore and are renowned for sprouting many Heisman trophies.

[Buckeye]

Hey Vetspet.....I always wondered where you went to vet school. I think I just figured it out!!!

[play 1and2]

If the rankings say they are number 1 and 2 at the end of the year I say they play again. I'd be a little worried if I were a OH St. fan because with 50 days to work on that spread Offense Mich will be much tougher to beat on the road.
If ND or USC plays OH St they should be 21 point dogs, neither one of them is in the same class as even Mich let along OH St.

Match-ups I'd like to see:

* USC-Texas after last years Championship game, it would settle the Pac-10's idea of how great they think they are.(OUT OF CAL) or home game for USC.But we all know that the Pac 10 does'nt travel well.

* Arkansas-ND two teams that feel they are the best in the country, evenly matched or so they think.

* FLA-Big east winner (WV,Rut,Lou) all the talk about how the big east was "not" going to get a shot at the tile game (half way through the year) and it shakes out like the experts thought> not that good when you play the worst teams> loses when you play the top 3 teams(in conf.)

*WI- SEC final winner 2 loses min.>Well they think the Big ten is weak, here is their chance to beat the #3 team.

Championship* Ohio St VS MICH. lets see them play on the road without a home field advantage for either team. (Line would be even!)
These are the 2 best teams in the country, and if they want to make the BCS something people will respect they better have the 2 best teams in the title game!

To bad we can't see this because of the way the BCS is set up, instead we will have to see match-ups I don't care to see. WI even with 1 lose can't play in a BCS bowl, some team with 2 loses min will have a BCS bowl game.

A play-off will taint the reg. season games> no more will every Sat. count for the National Championship. 32 teams as mentioned above?????? There are NOT 32 in the country that deserve a shot at any Championship!!! The TOP 6 teams may be or the top 10 at the very most! And once and for ALL STOP the stupid Pre-season polls, the screw up everything about this game! Polls should start after teams have played 7 games(thats when we and they know who is who for any givin year).

[Blackmacs]

No matter what anyone says Ohio State (#1) will play the #2 team in the BCS Championship game. It may be Michigan. It may be Notre Dame. It may be USC. It may be Arkansas. It may be Florida. In any case the team OSU plays will have one loss, and people can play six degrees of separation where they beat them who beat that other team who lost to so and so who we beat all you want. The fact is #1 will play #2 on January 8th in Glendale Arizona.

[Crusher23]

I would love to see a rematch. There are always the people out there that are stuck in the "IF" world. For just two letters its mighty powerful and tons of hopes are hung on it.
From my perspective, OSU had 3 turnovers that cost them 17 points. So, in my "IF" world, if OSU doesn't turn the ball over and if there isn't a very questionable pass interference call on 4th and 13 that lead to another TD, we win 42 - 15.

Thats the beauty of it and thats why you have to play the game. We, as fans can second guess every coach and official now that the game is over.

I say bring on UM and we'll beat you again and make Mike Hart eat his words and teach him a little respect.

Go Buckeyes

My .02
The Crusher

[bob oh]

Sure just like they "spanked" Ball State huh? Tressel beats MI in whatever way it takes. Next time he'll have the defense honed and we won't give you so many breaks. Bottom line, Ya got beat, what ifs don't count.

rod bender bob

[DaveB]

What troubles me is that Michigan is #2 right now and will likely slip to #3 without even playing.

What will be great is if USC (who lost to Oregon State!) wins out and beats OSU and Michigan wins the Rose Bowl by 40 points-then who is your champ?


IMO, Mich and OSU should play again on a neutral field. I see OSU winning again, but give me more.

[really]

>I would love to see a rematch. There are always the people
>out there that are stuck in the "IF" world. For just two
>letters its mighty powerful and tons of hopes are hung on it.
>
>From my perspective, OSU had 3 turnovers that cost them 17
>points. So, in my "IF" world, if OSU doesn't turn the ball
>over and if there isn't a very questionable pass interference
>call on 4th and 13 that lead to another TD, we win 42 - 15.
>
>Thats the beauty of it and thats why you have to play the
>game. We, as fans can second guess every coach and official
>now that the game is over.
>
>I say bring on UM and we'll beat you again and make Mike Hart
>eat his words and teach him a little respect.
>
>Go Buckeyes
>
>My .02
>The Crusher


What should Mr. Hart have to eat his words for? At HOME Oh. St squeeked out a win. Mr Hart said " That Deffense is nothing speical" THIS TRUE! You don't give up that many points at home against anyone and get "RESPECT" from many teams.

No I'm not a Mich fan, I call umm as I see umm. And "IF" my aunt had seads she'd be my uncle!

[pepe]

sportdog, i had to go to the irish web site and check it out. you were right. they did play bc at home. goes to show how your memory fades the older you get. on the up side, it made me look up and find a lot of interesting things. thanks again....pepe...go irish....incidently, i live in the midwest and am a big ten rooter, when they dont play the irish.

[RickyP]

>From my perspective, OSU had 3 turnovers that cost them 17
>points. So, in my "IF" world, if OSU doesn't turn the ball
>over and if there isn't a very questionable pass interference
>call on 4th and 13 that lead to another TD, we win 42 - 15.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. What happened, happened. You realize that UM fans could make their own arguments that would have them winning the game. The fact is it wasn't a 42-15 blowout, but rather it was an onsides kick away from overtime or a dramatic UM win.

Also, I don't know where you learned your football, but there was NOTHING questionable about that pass interference call, just as there was nothing questionable about the personal foul on Shawn Crable for his helemt to helmet hit on Smith. If the OSU defender had been looking back for the ball, it wouldn't have been called. But when his head never turned to find the ball, and he made contact with the Michigan receiver before the ball arrived, it was pass intereference and will be called that way 99 times out of 100.

>I say bring on UM and we'll beat you again and make Mike Hart
>eat his words and teach him a little respect.
>
>Go Buckeyes
>
>My .02
>The Crusher

I hope you get your wish, and I like your bravado. But I think the result will be different next time. Let's see what happens the next couple of weeks, and hopefully we can start this debate all over again.

[Toolman]

I love the debates! Would'a...should'a...could'a. The Wolverines got quite a few breaks (i.e unforced turnovers, penalty calls, etc) and played a pretty good game and still came up short. What more do you want? The Buckeyes will come up to Ann Arbor next year and you can take another shot at beating them on your turf. Given the Wolverines recent track record vs the Buckeyes, that's not likely, but time will tell. For now, if they get some "help" and finish 2nd in the BCS rankings after it all shakes out, you'll get your chance again this year. If not, you had your shot and blew it...end of story.

Tool

[Unlogged Tom O]

I thought Saturdays game was a classic Michigan Ohio St. game typical of college footballs greatest rivalry. Now I hated the outcome just like any UofM fan should, but the botton line is OSU won the game. I cried in my beer with all my friends that came over to watch the game but life goes on.There is only one reason that I don't want to see another rematch. Both teams are real close and in a rematch OSU could possibly win again. Its hard to put up with you Buckeyes as it is with one loss but if you lucked out and won again we would never be able to live it down. If we won the next 10 meetings you would just point back to the 06 game and NC game and rest on those results. Ha Ha, we beat you Wolverines twice in one season, lets see you do that. Anyway,thats all hypothetical and if they do play again I'll be there cheering like I always do and hoping for a victory.
And I still don't understand why you OSU fans still keep saying go Bucks. Bucks are male deer, and Buckeyes are small nuts. Go figure.
Tom O

[Hmmmm]

>I thought Saturdays game was a classic Michigan Ohio St. game
>typical of college footballs greatest rivalry. Now I hated the
>outcome just like any UofM fan should, but the botton line is
>OSU won the game. I cried in my beer with all my friends that
>came over to watch the game but life goes on.There is only one
>reason that I don't want to see another rematch. Both teams
>are real close and in a rematch OSU could possibly win again.
>Its hard to put up with you Buckeyes as it is with one loss
>but if you lucked out and won again we would never be able to
>live it down. If we won the next 10 meetings you would just
>point back to the 06 game and NC game and rest on those
>results. Ha Ha, we beat you Wolverines twice in one season,
>lets see you do that. Anyway,thats all hypothetical and if
>they do play again I'll be there cheering like I always do and
>hoping for a victory.
> And I still don't understand why you OSU fans still keep
>saying go Bucks. Bucks are male deer, and Buckeyes are small
>nuts. Go figure.
> Tom O


Small nuts would br correct fo OSU fans.

[Buckeye]

Why do all you (sc)UM fans say "GO BLUE!"????? Never seen a blue wolverine.

Maybe it has to do with describing the mood up north since JT took over the coaching job in Columbus.

[Hmmmm]

>Why do all you (sc)UM fans say "GO BLUE!"????? Never seen a
>blue wolverine.
>
>Maybe it has to do with describing the mood up north since JT
>took over the coaching job in Columbus.


Small nuts and small minds!!!!

[B Thomas]

past post-
I know how tough it would be beat them again but there is no doubt in my mind that we would.

Im not putting pads on or putting money on the game so Im not scared. I dont know how many yards OSU gave up but the most important stat was 42-39 last time I checked. How bout that almighty run defense giving up 200+? Anyhow bring on LLLLLoyd and the clan. Maybe after OSU wins the 2nd time you can lobby for a 3rd rematch!

[Crusher23]

Well said Toolman, I thought I said it pretty clear but I guess the UM fans are still seeing red after 3, count 'em, 3 straight defeats. Now they know what it feels like when we had John Cooper.

Like I said, the UM fans are living in the "IF" world. If the golden domers can beat USC, if Florida loses once more, if if if. You gave it your best shot and came up short. Again.

As for Mr. Hart, to badmouth the team that just beat you is a sign of poor sportsmanship. "We should have had them the first time" ?!?!?!?!

Apparently not

My .02
The Crusher

[RickyP]

hey Crusher...you (not surprisingly)missed my point entirely. You were the one saying if OSU hadn't turned the ball over it would have been a 42-14 rout. I'm saying the reality was it was a 3 point OSU win on their home turf, that could have went into overtime or been won by UM if they had recovered the onside kick. That is reality. OSU fans have every right to gloat for winning 4 of the last 5 against UM. But we all know that things change, and I'm sure OSU won't be the same without Troy next year. Players like him don't come around very often. He was absolutely the difference in this game and should win the Heisman in a unanamous vote. Nobody else is even close.

And I will take another shot at your football knowledge. Anyone who knows anything about football knows there was nothing at all questionable about that pass interference call against OSU. But you chose to ignore my point and simply gloat about the OSU win and not admit that you were wrong.

As far as a rematch goes, I would love to see it work out that way, but if it doesn't, it doesn't. In no way am I saying they deserve one at this point. Michigan did have their chance and came up short. But that being said, I do truly believe that UM and OSU are as evenly matched as possible, and that UM is the only team in the country with a good shot at beating the Buckeyes for the championship.

[Newby unlogged]

pepe, You are refering to the 93 season when ND beat FSU. In 89 Notre Dame went down to Miami and beat the Canes then lost. Both teams had the same record and ND got left out, again.

[B Thomas]

agree on the pass interference call, good call but what about the the penalty on Austin Spitler #38, the personal foul rushing the center?? When he hit the center after the punt snap. As far as I could tell the center stood up and when he did thats when he got thumped. Cheap call gave Michigan 1st down and we lost field position. I think when it all comes out in the wash Michigan will make the Rose Bowl. USC should throttle ND and may squeak by UCLA and will jump MI in the end. You all are right, Michigan proved they were the #2 team IN COLUMBUS Saturday. Sorry fellas, you had your shot to beat the man and couldnt produce. See you next November. Oh by the way Michigan fans, There is a youngster by the name of Antonio Henton (FR) out of Georgia that the publications say he is the athletic clone of Troy Smith.

[ERIE REBEL]

Last weeks game was a classic OSU and UM game as stated before.Although I never would have thought that the point total would go as high as what it did.This game is played by a bunch of young men who play for PRIDE unlike a lot of the so called pros.{just my thoughts}Young men and the guys in the striped shirts are all human and can make mistakes in the heat of battle.This is why we call it a game.If the BUCKEYES get to play the team up North,so be it.If it is any other team so be it.On neutral ground I think the game would end the same.If anybody thinks that JT would play Michigan the same way twice in the same year I think you would sadly mistaken. There would be a whole lot of time to come up with a few new wrinkles for coach Carr to think about.OH-IO GOOOO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!:rock-on: