View Full Version : Alumacraft and Bombardier?
Jimmy Jig
11-17-2006, 08:38 PM
I heard today that BRP bought Alumacraft. Anyone know for sure. This came out of the factory.
Flip Silverlake
11-17-2006, 09:08 PM
Hope your right. Great boat and Great motor.
hgmeyer
11-18-2006, 01:42 AM
That will be a marriage made in Walleye heaven... if this is true... However, I feel sorry for any dealers caught in a squeeze if they go down the Lund/Mercury path (of shame...on them).
Alumacraft was a good boat of choice if one wanted to choose the power to hang off the back based on personal preference.
I hope this will signal a change as qwell as to the "presence" in the tournament scene of these hulls. It would be a good move if they were to aggressively market to tournament anglers.
Troutbeck
11-18-2006, 08:17 AM
I wonder if you'll be locked into getting an Alumacraft with ONLY a BRP motor. Yes, they are both excellent products. But what if you want a different motor? Maybe they will also offer a couple of alternatives as Lund does with Honda, Suzy.
Maybe Yamaha?
Interesting news.
Trout
Jimmy Jig
11-18-2006, 10:39 AM
A friend of mine called the factory and this came from an Alumacraft engineer at St Peter. It maybe be true. With Lund and Merc. together I suppose Evinrude had to do something. A Lund dealer told me that it would be very hard to buy a Lund boat now without getting a Merc on it. He did tell me that if I bought a new Merc. from him now and wanted to trade in my present Lund in a year or so he could handle that because I had already bought a new Merc. Alumacraft might also install Yamaha motors or others, but it would not be Mercury! Alumacraft and Lund/Crestliner are not the only aluminum boats made but in the midwest they acount for 90% of sales. Now that most models of Mercury motors are built in China they may notice a drop in sales, would serve them right.
You should get your facts straight, JIMMY !!!! Most of Mercury's motors are NOT built in China! If you want to voice your opinions, that's one thing. But making statements which are false, make the rest of your post seem...... weak !!! In fact, most of the outboard motors built for the American market (Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and yes some Mercurys) are built in.. Japan! That would make it OK, ?????
I would think it interesting that Bomb would buy Alumacraft. And more interesting IF they allow'd motors other than Evinrude to be install'd on them. Time will tell. Although Bomb has had a hate/hate relationship with Mercury, I'd be surprised if you saw... say... Yamaha's continue to be Pre-rigg'd on them. Bombardier would buy a company such as Alumacraft with only one thought in mind.. "sell more Evinrudes"!!! But,what do I know?
tomfishery
11-18-2006, 12:45 PM
just for info, mercs 75hp and up are made in fond du lac wis, 25 and under in japan,40 50 60 in china.i dont like the fact that you cant buy the motor you want on the boat you want.if you make a good product at a decent price you dont need to dictate what is bought, imo
Let me further embelish the above post! It's( strange that all the other engine manufactures and ,it seems, most of the readers/posters on this board, key in on the fact that Brunswick/Mercury is the "Goliath" in the outboard building business. As such, the feeling is that the "big Kunaha" must be destined to fail. And that anything less is unacceptable. Yes, all the builders are trying to grab a bigger piece of the overall outboard "pie" but most are looking at only their relationship vs. ...Mercury. I bet that some of these guys should also be concern'd with ... the #2 or #3 contender. If you're #4, as an example, you shouild also do your homework and be conscience about... #2. Some of those guys may just flying under the radar, fueling the fire against.. #1.
I really wonder why some of us readers tho, have such a hard-on against Brunswick. Yamaha, Bombardier and Genmar have done such a bang-up job convincing each other and the court of public opinion that they are so squeaky clean while Mercury is Attilla the hun...
Brunswick makes good/very good product. Check that... they make pretty darn good product. If you haven't run a Verado, then you'll just not ever know how good it is. Is it faster, slower, better on fuel, better milage, etc....... than Suzuki's 250??? or Yamys 250... or the new fly-by-wire 300.... Whatever... Maybe it is or maybe it isn't!!!! You can vote by........ buying the next outboard motor from the manufacturer (and your local, knowledgable dealer who gives you the best product you want, at the price you can afford and the service you may or may not need!!!) I'll tell you one thing more. I used to sell boats heads up against the largest Bayliner dealer in the world. We HATED them!! lol We thought their product suc'd , their service suc'd and that they were just the thing our industry didn't need. But, we learn'd that they were not guna go away, and that in fact, if they sold two hundred boats at the show... we were destined to sell 50. It was a win /win situation. (the product still suc'd as did their service tho). We've learn'd to concentrate on the things that we could control, and not worry about the things we couldn't. Genmar, Yamay and Bomb should get their own house in order and sell,service and improve rather than throw stones at others. I bet it will bite them in the arse if they don't !!!!!! I never talk stink about another manufacturer or competing boat dealer. I let the customer do that and smile!!!!! You may be surprised how many consumers have told me how they won't deal with that boat dealer who's saleman bad mouth'd someone else!! Have a good day !!
Duck Hunter
11-18-2006, 01:25 PM
For the sake of discussion. I prefer GM motors and Ford body styles! Do you know where I can buy one {new} set up that way? I didn't think so. It is a changeing world and boating companys are no differant then any place else. They are going to make as much money as they can. Unfortunately that means package deals with motor and trailer companies. And with parent companies owning both boat and motor brands they are setting up these packages. But the funny thing is I don't hear anybody complaining about G3 and Yamaha. I also don't hear anybody complain about any other motor brand other than Merc. being built over seas. Whats the differance? It is a world market, and needs to be looked at as such.
HERE WE GO AGAIN time for this one to go
Well if it is true, it's a sad day from my viewpoint. I like both Lund and Alumacraft and currently refuse to buy Lund because I do not like the lack of reliability of Merc. I will only buy a boat that I can get either yamaha, Honda and or maybe suzuki on it. My whole focus is on reliability and I'm not sure from what I see Evinrude has it either. So maybe my next boat will have to be a G-3 or a Ranger, I think the dealer told me I can actually get a Honda on a Lund.
midnight fire gun dog
11-18-2006, 06:37 PM
A huge second on that one!!!
Somethins_Fishy
11-18-2006, 08:24 PM
:rant:
I'm sorry, but I'm really getting a little tired of all of the anti Merc postings by unregistered posters . Bigblock Yamahas were popping powerheads the same time 2000 Optis were, yet I don't read that in every other blasted post on this board by someone too afraid to say it with a registered name . They fixed them, and now they're bulletproof . Please stop the bs .
I don't own an Opti, but fish out of friends boats that do . I have no agenda other than to try and counter unfounded misinformation meant to mislead those that read this board for some unknown reason .
I personally don't think you can buy a bad motor today . If you like Lunds, then you can feel safe buying it with a Opti or Verado . As a matter of fact, I believe now thru March something you will receieve a 6(?) year warrantry on any Merc motor bought . Doesn't sound like a company that's building crap to me . If they were, they wouldn't offer such a great deal . If Alumicraft limits those to E-Tec only, great . Because E-Tecs and Alumicrafts are awesome . Can't go wrong there . Same thing with Skeeters and Yamahas . Great boats and motors .
People will always post failures and complain, but rarely will give these companies a pat on the back for making an awesome product . This is me saying way to go to all of the manufacturers and the current crop of outstanding motors and boats available to us fisherpeoples .
Thanks for listening, I feel better now :smokin:
Hows that old saying go? Build a better mousetrap and people will come running to buy it? Well it looks like Merc has the best mousetrap. #1 in sales and # 1 in J.D.Powers
seahorse
11-19-2006, 08:41 AM
> Well it looks like Merc has the
>best mousetrap. #1 in sales and # 1 in J.D.Powers
Just to set the record straight Merc was rated #1 in JD Powers 2-stroke category but dead last in JD Powers 4-stroke category.
The 2-stroke category had higher scores than the previous year, but the 4-stroke category had lower scores than previously, even Honda the winner had fewer points than the previous year.
This is not true. You must have a bad info.
dented boat guy
11-19-2006, 01:41 PM
I don't understand this concept of having only certain motors with certain boats. When I bought my Alumacraft two years ago I told the dealer I wanted a Yamaha and that is what I got. My previous Alumacraft had a Mercury but it was too loud despite being a four stroke so I made the switch to Yamaha. Please enlighten me, can the dealer require a certain motor with a certain boat model?
This Name
11-19-2006, 03:34 PM
>>Please enlighten me, can the dealer require a certain motor
>with a certain boat model?
No.
Somethins_Fishy
11-19-2006, 03:43 PM
>I don't understand this concept of having only certain motors
>with certain boats. When I bought my Alumacraft two years ago
>I told the dealer I wanted a Yamaha and that is what I got.
>My previous Alumacraft had a Mercury but it was too loud
>despite being a four stroke so I made the switch to Yamaha.
>Please enlighten me, can the dealer require a certain motor
>with a certain boat model?
It's not being done at the dealer level, it's the boat manufacturer itself . What's happening here is that Bombardier, the makers of E-Tec outboards is aquiring Alumacraft and will own them . So when they sell you a boat, they would also like to sell you a motor . It's all about them making more money . I would really prefer they didn't all head this direction, but it appears they're going to .
Dacotah Eye
11-19-2006, 03:44 PM
The dealer doesn't require it. The same company manufactures the brand of boat and brand of outboard and has a contract with another company to provide the trailer. The boat, outboard and trailer are sold as a package. Yamaha owns G3 boats and you can only get a Yamaha outboard on it. Brunswick owns Lund and Mercury and have a contract with a trailer manufacturer. I think you can also get a Honda on a Lund, but I don't know for how long. I,m sure there are ways around this, but I think it would get expensive. I don't know why, but many people seem to bash Brunswick for doing this and at the same time pat Yamaha on the head for the same thing. Maybe Brunswick needs to start making snowmobiles and motorcycles and a few other products. :cheers:
Dacotah Eye
11-19-2006, 03:44 PM
The dealer doesn't require it. The same company manufactures the brand of boat and brand of outboard and has a contract with another company to provide the trailer. The boat, outboard and trailer are sold as a package. Yamaha owns G3 boats and you can only get a Yamaha outboard on it. Brunswick owns Lund and Mercury and have a contract with a trailer manufacturer. I think you can also get a Honda on a Lund, but I don't know for how long. I,m sure there are ways around this, but I think it would get expensive. I don't know why, but many people seem to bash Brunswick for doing this and at the same time pat Yamaha on the head for the same thing. Maybe Brunswick needs to start making snowmobiles and motorcycles and a few other products. :cheers:
This Name
11-19-2006, 04:44 PM
>Maybe Brunswick needs to start making snowmobiles and motorcycles
>and a few other products. :cheers:
That sure would be could for the shop's repair side of things...sure would be busy.:rotfl:
This Name
11-19-2006, 04:44 PM
>Maybe Brunswick needs to start making snowmobiles and motorcycles
>and a few other products. :cheers:
That sure would be could for the shop's repair side of things...sure would be busy.:rotfl:
AndyR
11-19-2006, 04:59 PM
A Johnson motor is a suzuki motor!
AndyR
11-19-2006, 05:04 PM
WHO SAID ALUMACRAFT WAS GOING TO COME PRE_RIGGED WITH A E-tec!
Cmon people, this was only a rumor. They never said that they were going to do the same thing as merc did!
If I were them I would probably just sit and watch how merc/lund's things pans out and make my decision based on that. NO ONE, specifically said in a press release that ANY of this was going to happen. This whole thread has been basically BS so far until some one shows me some cold hard evidence.
AndyR
11-19-2006, 05:04 PM
WHO SAID ALUMACRAFT WAS GOING TO COME PRE_RIGGED WITH A E-tec!
Cmon people, this was only a rumor. They never said that they were going to do the same thing as merc did!
If I were them I would probably just sit and watch how merc/lund's things pans out and make my decision based on that. NO ONE, specifically said in a press release that ANY of this was going to happen. This whole thread has been basically BS so far until some one shows me some cold hard evidence.
Dacotah Eye
11-19-2006, 05:13 PM
>>Maybe Brunswick needs to start making snowmobiles and
>motorcycles
>>and a few other products. :cheers:
>
>That sure would be could for the shop's repair side of
>things...sure would be busy.:rotfl:
Yup, they must have decided not to after a little watchful waiting.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :cheers:
Dacotah Eye
11-19-2006, 05:13 PM
>>Maybe Brunswick needs to start making snowmobiles and
>motorcycles
>>and a few other products. :cheers:
>
>That sure would be could for the shop's repair side of
>things...sure would be busy.:rotfl:
Yup, they must have decided not to after a little watchful waiting.:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :cheers:
This Name
11-19-2006, 05:39 PM
Merc shops still have the most return maintenance issues. Sell you an outboard cheap, get you on parts and labor.:rotflmao: :rotfl: :cheers: :rock-on: :popcorn:
This Name
11-19-2006, 05:39 PM
Merc shops still have the most return maintenance issues. Sell you an outboard cheap, get you on parts and labor.:rotflmao: :rotfl: :cheers: :rock-on: :popcorn:
Dacotah Eye
11-19-2006, 06:25 PM
I think they are making a lot of their own powerheads now so that should change. lol:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :grd: :cheers:
Dacotah Eye
11-19-2006, 06:25 PM
I think they are making a lot of their own powerheads now so that should change. lol:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :grd: :cheers:
Juls_OH
11-19-2006, 06:51 PM
Anyone got all this rumor mill stuff in writing yet?
:blahblah:
Juls
Juls_OH
11-19-2006, 06:51 PM
Anyone got all this rumor mill stuff in writing yet?
:blahblah:
Juls
Hey this name. Do the math!! Even if Merc had double the return maintenance issues of any other outboard they probably still sell a hundred times more outboards than anybody else. Thats a darn good ratio in my book. And J.D. Powers agrees!!!!!!
Hey this name. Do the math!! Even if Merc had double the return maintenance issues of any other outboard they probably still sell a hundred times more outboards than anybody else. Thats a darn good ratio in my book. And J.D. Powers agrees!!!!!!
Dodge1
11-20-2006, 08:35 AM
Now why would they want to do that :badidea: when it's :secret:
Dodge1
11-20-2006, 08:35 AM
Now why would they want to do that :badidea: when it's :secret:
Juls_OH
11-20-2006, 08:54 AM
:exactly:
Until there is something in writing, everything that is said here is just plain speculation and rumor. It's sensless to start complaining and arguing about something that hasn't officially happened yet! lol
They're killing me! :banghead: :cookoo:
Juls
Juls_OH
11-20-2006, 08:54 AM
:exactly:
Until there is something in writing, everything that is said here is just plain speculation and rumor. It's sensless to start complaining and arguing about something that hasn't officially happened yet! lol
They're killing me! :banghead: :cookoo:
Juls
Alumacraft Boat Co.
11-20-2006, 11:10 AM
Dear all viewers,
I thought I would drop a quick note to set the lastest rumor mill straight. Alumacraft Boat Co. HAS NOT BEEN SOLD, AND IS NOT FOR SALE. We are still independently owned by one individual and operated independently, and have no plans to change. We offer all major outboard motors, Yamaha, Bombardier, Mercury, Honda, and Suzuki. No motor company has any ownership in Alumacraft Boat Co.
We appreciate all the viewers and contributors at Walleye Central and look forward to visit with all of you at one of the upcoming boat shows.
Sincerely,
Jerry Byron
Vice President - Sales / Marketing
Alumacraft Boat Co.
Alumacraft Boat Co.
11-20-2006, 11:10 AM
Dear all viewers,
I thought I would drop a quick note to set the lastest rumor mill straight. Alumacraft Boat Co. HAS NOT BEEN SOLD, AND IS NOT FOR SALE. We are still independently owned by one individual and operated independently, and have no plans to change. We offer all major outboard motors, Yamaha, Bombardier, Mercury, Honda, and Suzuki. No motor company has any ownership in Alumacraft Boat Co.
We appreciate all the viewers and contributors at Walleye Central and look forward to visit with all of you at one of the upcoming boat shows.
Sincerely,
Jerry Byron
Vice President - Sales / Marketing
Alumacraft Boat Co.
Dacotah Eye
11-20-2006, 11:32 AM
:bowdown: :bowdown: :rock-on: :thanks2:
Dacotah Eye
11-20-2006, 11:32 AM
:bowdown: :bowdown: :rock-on: :thanks2:
Somethins_Fishy
11-20-2006, 11:32 AM
LOL, problem solved, and in short order :chillpill: !!
Somethins_Fishy
11-20-2006, 11:32 AM
LOL, problem solved, and in short order :chillpill: !!
Juls_OH
11-20-2006, 01:21 PM
Thank you Mr. Byron for setting the record straight. And, thank you for visiting Walleye Central. Your input has been greatly appreciated! ;)
Juls
Juls_OH
11-20-2006, 01:21 PM
Thank you Mr. Byron for setting the record straight. And, thank you for visiting Walleye Central. Your input has been greatly appreciated! ;)
Juls
bluegill 1
11-20-2006, 01:34 PM
Thank you Alumacraft.
So what is everyone gonna gossip about now?
bluegill 1
11-20-2006, 01:34 PM
Thank you Alumacraft.
So what is everyone gonna gossip about now?
Thanks
11-20-2006, 01:38 PM
LOL, well we could talk about E-tecs now and how great they are on a Alumacraft! haha
Thanks
11-20-2006, 01:38 PM
LOL, well we could talk about E-tecs now and how great they are on a Alumacraft! haha
saugers2 ul
11-20-2006, 01:39 PM
MinnKota just bought Ranger, and as announced at the factory that spins the treads for the seat construction, they will only be selling them with MK trollers (Genesis only) and MK batteries....not sure yet if any boats will be able to carry gas outboards, but talk is that they will not...
This move is to insure that MK will remain number 1 in the trolling motor market. And will cave into the environmentalists lobbying for fewer outboard emissions....
saugers2 ul
11-20-2006, 01:39 PM
MinnKota just bought Ranger, and as announced at the factory that spins the treads for the seat construction, they will only be selling them with MK trollers (Genesis only) and MK batteries....not sure yet if any boats will be able to carry gas outboards, but talk is that they will not...
This move is to insure that MK will remain number 1 in the trolling motor market. And will cave into the environmentalists lobbying for fewer outboard emissions....
Koldfront Kraig
11-20-2006, 03:20 PM
>Dear all viewers,
>
>I thought I would drop a quick note to set the lastest rumor
>mill straight. Alumacraft Boat Co. HAS NOT BEEN SOLD, AND IS
>NOT FOR SALE. We are still independently owned by one
>individual and operated independently, and have no plans to
>change. We offer all major outboard motors, Yamaha,
>Bombardier, Mercury, Honda, and Suzuki. No motor company has
>any ownership in Alumacraft Boat Co.
>
>We appreciate all the viewers and contributors at Walleye
>Central and look forward to visit with all of you at one of
>the upcoming boat shows.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Jerry Byron
>Vice President - Sales / Marketing
>Alumacraft Boat Co.
:rock-on: :cheers: :cheers: :rockit: :cool2: :D :D
Good news and thank you Jerry for clearing that up.
I had to swallow a little stomach bile down reading these posts thinking about fewer choices when its time for me to buy a new boat.:P
I know some day I'll be back in an aluminum boat and it would most likely be an Alumacraft with a Honda hanging on the back.
------------------------------------------------------
I work hard at underachieving….. but not too hard
Koldfront Kraig
Koldfront Kraig
11-20-2006, 03:20 PM
>Dear all viewers,
>
>I thought I would drop a quick note to set the lastest rumor
>mill straight. Alumacraft Boat Co. HAS NOT BEEN SOLD, AND IS
>NOT FOR SALE. We are still independently owned by one
>individual and operated independently, and have no plans to
>change. We offer all major outboard motors, Yamaha,
>Bombardier, Mercury, Honda, and Suzuki. No motor company has
>any ownership in Alumacraft Boat Co.
>
>We appreciate all the viewers and contributors at Walleye
>Central and look forward to visit with all of you at one of
>the upcoming boat shows.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Jerry Byron
>Vice President - Sales / Marketing
>Alumacraft Boat Co.
:rock-on: :cheers: :cheers: :rockit: :cool2: :D :D
Good news and thank you Jerry for clearing that up.
I had to swallow a little stomach bile down reading these posts thinking about fewer choices when its time for me to buy a new boat.:P
I know some day I'll be back in an aluminum boat and it would most likely be an Alumacraft with a Honda hanging on the back.
------------------------------------------------------
I work hard at underachieving….. but not too hard
Koldfront Kraig
Don J unlogged
11-21-2006, 08:03 AM
Yes !
Make my next boat, another Alumacraft.
Thank You!
Don J
>Dear all viewers,
>
>I thought I would drop a quick note to set the lastest rumor
>mill straight. Alumacraft Boat Co. HAS NOT BEEN SOLD, AND IS
>NOT FOR SALE. We are still independently owned by one
>individual and operated independently, and have no plans to
>change. We offer all major outboard motors, Yamaha,
>Bombardier, Mercury, Honda, and Suzuki. No motor company has
>any ownership in Alumacraft Boat Co.
>
>We appreciate all the viewers and contributors at Walleye
>Central and look forward to visit with all of you at one of
>the upcoming boat shows.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Jerry Byron
>Vice President - Sales / Marketing
>Alumacraft Boat Co.
Don J unlogged
11-21-2006, 08:03 AM
Yes !
Make my next boat, another Alumacraft.
Thank You!
Don J
>Dear all viewers,
>
>I thought I would drop a quick note to set the lastest rumor
>mill straight. Alumacraft Boat Co. HAS NOT BEEN SOLD, AND IS
>NOT FOR SALE. We are still independently owned by one
>individual and operated independently, and have no plans to
>change. We offer all major outboard motors, Yamaha,
>Bombardier, Mercury, Honda, and Suzuki. No motor company has
>any ownership in Alumacraft Boat Co.
>
>We appreciate all the viewers and contributors at Walleye
>Central and look forward to visit with all of you at one of
>the upcoming boat shows.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Jerry Byron
>Vice President - Sales / Marketing
>Alumacraft Boat Co.
Jclstrike_unlogged
11-21-2006, 07:08 PM
I bought a Lund :) Didn't like the carpeted gunnel rails on the trophy's LOL Maybe Jerry can fix that....