'RUDE awakening - Merc fighting back

[John K]

It's good to see Merc fighting back against all the E-Tec hype.

[Merc Hype]

>It's good to see Merc fighting back against all the E-Tec
>hype.
99% of the "RUDE Awakening" is hype where the E-TEC info is fact. The only way you are going to get accurate info is to test both yourself. I did that before I purchased and there isn't a Merc hanging on my transom.:shame:

I'm still looking for Merc's Opti on the EPA website,can't seem to find it.:confused:

Don't get your panties in a bind. If it weren't for Evinrude's E-TEC, Merc would be ALL Verado by now.:rock-on:

[eieio]

Why doesn't BRP dispute Merc claims?

[Dacotah Eye]

>>It's good to see Merc fighting back against all the E-Tec
>>hype.
>99% of the "RUDE Awakening" is hype where the E-TEC info is
>fact. The only way you are going to get accurate info is to
>test both yourself. I did that before I purchased and there
>isn't a Merc hanging on my transom.:shame:
>
>I'm still looking for Merc's Opti on the EPA website,can't
>seem to find it.:confused:
>
>Don't get your panties in a bind. If it weren't for
>Evinrude's E-TEC, Merc would be ALL Verado by now.:rock-on:
Actually, I'm kinda fond of Verados. :cheers:

[Terroreyes]

Fighting back? I thought Merc had the upper hand? Only an Opti for me. Give it a couple years for the E-Tech bugs to get worked out like the Optis had to go through and then it will be a real competition. By then, I'm sure Merc will trump the E-Tech. They're #1 on the water for a reason. They lead the pack. :)


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[easyrider]

I will place my money on E-Tech.

[buddy522]

did either one win the consumer satisfaction index three years in a row ?

[RR]

I have had 4 Mercury Optimax 200-225's, 1-E'rude 225 H.O.DFI, and 1-E'rude 225 H.O. E'tec in the past 8 years. I had trouble with all 4 of the Optimax's and lost several months of fishing due to the motors being in the shop. I haven't had one issue with either of the E'rudes. I like the quick hole shot to top end speed, very fuel effecient, and is very quiet at all ranges. My Optimax's sounded like an old Arts Way corn grinding mixer it was soo loud. My next motor will be another Evinrude!!!
RR

[JLDII]

How many hubs did you spin with your E-tecs?

[perchjerker]

Volvo Penta all the way baby

[RR]

Jack,
I have spun 0 hubs so far.
RR

[Juls_OH]

Jack,
that is no longer an issue with the BRP props. The hub material was changed at the beginning of the 06 season, and no longer overheat and spin out. BRP listens...;)

Juls

[consumer talks]

I suspect, although I'm not going to look it up, that Merc sells more Opti's in say Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota than Evinrude sells ETecs nationwide.

dispute at length.

[seahorse]

>Why doesn't BRP dispute Merc claims?<


The head of Evinrude Roch Lambert responded to the misrepresentations on both the Merc flyer and to the inaccuracies of the Bass and Walleye Boats article a long time back. Don't forget, this came out a year ago and I understand that Merc stopped distributing it.

Bass and Walleye had to admit they did not weigh the motors from the article and published a retraction after weighing them accurately. The weights were more in line with the manufacturer's published weights.

The emissions listed in the Merc pamphlet are not EPA recorded figures and are NOT listed in the EPA certification database.

The warranty Merc said for E-TEC was also incorrect.

[Juls_OH]

Exactly. Thanks for posting Seahorse. By the way, Roch's response was titled, "The Real Deal".

Isn't marketing interesting? It's amazing what the marketing teams can get people to believe as fact and truths. But, the truth will always prevail, thank goodness. ;)

Juls

[Dacotah Eye]

I saw the cute commercial again this morning about the guy backing into something because his four stroke spends so much time in for maintenance. Why are they always comparing E Techs to four strokes?? My four stroke goes in every 100 hours for service. I have talked with several outboard mechanics and they have all said that going 300 hours without changing lower unit lube would be stupid. Not bad mouthing E Techs, just wondering. Geiko has some really stupid commercials also. :stirthepot: :cheers:

[dutchboy]

Pretty sure I read somewhere that Suzuki is the number 1 selling motor world wide.

Doesn't really matter, it's all personal choice and gives the kids something to fight about every winter. :-)

[Somethins_Fishy]

>Exactly. Thanks for posting Seahorse. By the way, Roch's
>response was titled, "The Real Deal".
>
>Isn't marketing interesting? It's amazing what the marketing
>teams can get people to believe as fact and truths. But, the
>truth will always prevail, thank goodness. ;)
>
>Juls

That is exactly why this website is so very valuable to me . I have learned a LOT in the short time I've been a member on this site .

The marketing suits can spew all of the bs they want, but you can be sure that our fellow fisherpersons will be here to debunk the bs !

[Ranger Owner]

Dacotah eye,
The reason BRP compares the E-tec to 4 strokes, is the same thing they are doing with their snowmobiles. Everyone is braggin how great 4 stroke emmissions and fuel economy is, and BRP is getting the same low emissions, fuel economy and lighter weight with their 2 strokes! They only have one 4 stroke sled, and it is for the touring market. If I can get the same emissions, fuel economy in a lighter, faster 2 stroke, that is the way I would go. I think the 4 strokes are great for reliability and longevity, but am comfortable with the direction BRP is headed. I may just be guessing here, but other than super charged Verados, how many pro's are running 4 strokes??

[BCLII]

No hubs spun yet, 253hrs 05 225HO
Byron

[Dacotah Eye]

Ranger Owner,
I very seldom even see pros in SD unless I happen to be fishing while they are pre fishing for a tournament. Even then I don't really know if they are pros or just someone with a heck of a nice boat. I really don't care what anyone has on their boat. I think they are all quality outboards at this point in time. I haven't seen a Suzuki for years and large Hondas are rare arond here. I would have to drive at least 2 hours to buy anything but a Merc and I have been dealing with my dealer and his dad since I was 14 years old. That's 49 years. :o I just can't help myself. I have to give the pot a stir just for sh-ts and giggles. The ice fishing sucked today anyway. :cheers:

[Ranger Owner]

Every one has their own brand, and I honestly think they are all good products, or they wouldn't be in business right? I am glad you have enough ice to fish on, we are still working on that. Have a good one!

[buddy522]

csi=
consumer satisfaction index for outboard motors voted on by actual owners of the new motors includes all brands
the only outboard to win this award 3 years in a row Honda
seen the uscg boats the last two years 99%honda power soon to be 100%

[SUPERTROLLER]

Aren't you the same lunatic that was pumping up Tracker boats a couple years ago? I don't care to hear what kind of truck you're driving or trolling battery's or charging system you're using either. LOLOLOLOL. Gotcha!

[Terroreyes]

Comparing Merc to Tracker?? Now that's just coolllddd!!!! LOLOLOL


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[Dacotah Eye]

Things do change. I am an old coot and I can remember when I was in Louisiana many years ago the USCG used Johnsons.

[consumer talks]

marketing is very interesting

for example - an infomercial showing ETEC's beating other engines in a drag race, when clearly the other engines aren't trimmed properly.

[Juls_OH]

Interesting...

How is it clear that they are not trimmed properly? What is your tell tale sign?

Juls

[consumer talks]

Look at the tops of the competitor engines during the hole shot, the Merc is quite obviously over-trimmed up rather than being tucked down. You've been on the water a long time, if you don't agree with me, I'd be shocked.

That said, anyone who buys engines based on informercials and leaflets should do better research. And as far as it all goes, there really aren't bad engines anymore except for rare failures, just creative marketing teams.

[gifted]

Actually, if you can tell when a motor is properly trimmed from a photo, you have a future of unlimited wealth. I would guess consulting fees would run into the millions??? What a gift!

[consumer talks]

Actually, if you CAN'T tell the trim position of a motor from looking at it....

[bill hall]

I enjoy reading factual information , but you and river runner are making statements you know nothing about. But dont feel alone the other individuals on this topic are very biased and ill informed.For the record/ Bass @walleye magizine june 05/ dec of 05/. Rude awaking #1/ mercury optimax uses less fuel, and produces fewer emissions!
"AFTER ALL THE EMISSIONS HYPE AND MILEAGE HYPE FROM EVINRUDE, WE EXPECTED THE E-TEC HO TO REALLY PUT A HURTIN' ON THE OTHER TWO WHEN IT CAME TO THE FUEL FILLUP. YET THAT WAS NOT THE CASE AT ALL." Bass @ walleye boats magazine/ june @ dec 05. Also in regards too fuel emissions, Mercury optimax produces 10% less than evinrudes E tech, despite Evinrudes claims regarding emissions.
Rude awaking #2/ MERCURY OPTIMAX beats E-tech in aceleration, top speed and weight."In the all important mid-range acceleration contest
the evinrude, again was the slowest...The Merc, however, pulled ahead
smartly with a 6.8 clocking..." Bass @ walleye magizine.
RUDE AWAKING #3/ Mercury Optimax is engineeed to perform and DESIGNED TO lAST! "HANDLINGWISE, the MERCURY was the best of the three- no conte4st." Bass @ walleye boats magizine.
RUDE AWAKING #4/ OPTIMAX is the best value on the water! MERCURY OPTIMAX 225 PRO XS/$16,664. evinrude e tech 225 ho $20,421.
Bass @ walleye boats magizine, june 2005.
The truth is, MERCURY OPTIMAX blew evinrude E-tech out of the water in two unbiased, third party head-to-head competitions. No wonder Evinrude conveniently left OPTIMAX out of comparisons with other direct-fuel-injected engines.The award winning, highest in customer-satisfaction-rated MERCURY OPTIMAX is faster,more fuel efficent, less expensive and cleaner burning than e-tech. compare the true facts and see for yourself how OPTIMAX blows E-tech and the rest of the dfi market out of the water.
sincerely
BILL HALL

[Das Boot 3]

I fail to see how quoting an 18 month old article is providing any new information. I've seen this "Rude awakening" chest pounding post at least twice too many times in the past year. I make a motion that the next person that posts it as "news" be flogged and/or keelhauled.
:blahblah:
DB3...........Never back anything into a corner that is meaner than you are

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[bigstick]

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