Evinrude E-TEC

[eric1]

Wow...All I can say is wow!!! Had a friend of mine, who is a marine mechanic, give me a demonstration with a 115 horse..D.amn! This will be my next outboard motor! This thing purred like a kitten at idle and according to him will kick the pants off of any equal horsepowered 4 stroke..If you haven't seen one in action, you will be VERY impressed!

[Whit]

saw a 1/2 hour infomercial on one of the outdoor channels. they seemed awesome. there was really no comparison to the 4 strokes in nearly every catagory.

[seahorse]

>Wow...All I can say is wow!!! Had a friend of mine, who is a
>marine mechanic, give me a demonstration with a 115
>horse..D.amn! This will be my next outboard motor!



I've run all the E-TEC models since they were introduced and have to say that the Evinrude 115 E-TEC is the quietest and smoothest of all the models.

[jimmy4218]

No offense, but my friend has a 40 horse E-tec and I have a 25 Honda- we ran them next to each other and there was no comparison- the Honda was WAY quieter. Out of the hole though and you're talking a whole different story- the E-tec WHOOPED my Honda (I have a 15 foot smokercraft, he has a 1625 Lund classic).

[SUPERTROLLER]

You need to run motors of the same exact size to make the proper noise comparison. Seahorse was saying though that among ALL of the E-Tec engines, he thought that the 115 was the quietest runner. He didn't say that E-Tec's were more quiet than any other motor on the market. (Maybe the 115 is more quiet than your 25 Honda.)

[Troutbeck]

I've been an e-tec fan since I bought a 50 in '04. I haven't run it next to a 50 four stroke but my brother has a Yamaha 80 four stroke. At idle, his is just as quiet (maybe quiester) than the e-tec. The Yamaha is also a very strong motor--with excellent hole shot.

Both very good.

[jimmy4218 unlogged]

My father in law has a 115 yamaha and it's darn near as quiet as my Honda, nice motor.

[KP]

"according to him will kick the pants off of any equal horsepowered 4 stroke"

I am confident the E-Tec 115 is a fine motor. All the E-Tecs are. But "kick the pants off any equal 4 stroke" is not a correct claim. It's the statement by someone selling something. Put any of the current day motors on a Walleye rig, mount and prop them correctly, and the performance differences will be negligible.

[Saggys]

I am not too sure I buy that.2 strokes have a better ability to plane a boat with a heavy load.Take a look at the horsepower/torque curve of a 2 stroke,the torque comes on sooner.The 2 motors may make the same power at full rpm,but the 2 stroke will come on sooner.JMHO.

[DuckCrusher]

>"according to him will kick the pants off of any equal
>horsepowered 4 stroke"
>
>I am confident the E-Tec 115 is a fine motor. All the E-Tecs
>are. But "kick the pants off any equal 4 stroke" is not a
>correct claim. It's the statement by someone selling
>something. Put any of the current day motors on a Walleye
>rig, mount and prop them correctly, and the performance
>differences will be negligible.

Obviously, you haven't been to an FLW Final day where all the contestants fish from identical boats with equal HP outboards...of different brands. A year or two ago...the Rudes were flat our leaving the Yams in the dust. It's no secret.

[jimmy4218]

I now have the Honda 25hp as before I had an Evinrude 25hp. The Evinrude got my boat out of the hole way faster, but surprisingly the Honda gets better top end by 2mph. Go figure.

[updated info]

how about a recent comparison such as last week's tour championship?

[Bill Hall]

guys you can rant and rave all you want, but i have not heard of the merc opti mentioned. are you forgetting that on purpose.
the 115 opti is a quiet/ very fuel efficent outboard. it appears you have not tried out this engine so id say before you purchase you owe it too yourself too try one. com back on after ya test run it and tell us what you liked about it.

sincerely
Bill Hall

[Bill Hall]

gee, is there a reason the merc 115 optimax has not been mentioned. Its a 2 stroke/ direct fuel injected engine. better try one before ya make your purchase. Get back too us with your comments , but only after you run one
Thank You
Bill Hall

[jonnyl]

Just my 2 cents worth. Lac Suel Ontario, 150 ho E-tech, 7 days hard running, less than 1/2 gallon of oil and only 18 gallons of gas! I LOVE my E-teh!

[SSH]

Something sounds fishy, 1/2 gallon of oil for 18 gallons of gas ???

How can you fish that size lake and only burn 18 gallons of gas..

[jonnyl]

Don't know, but I swear 1.5 gallon oil tank was full at the start and was down about 1/3. Gas tanks were full and filled up on Fri. 18 gallons.

[B-lou]

If 18 gallons of gas was used and the engine was programed for XD100 at 100 to 1 then he would have used 23 oz of oil...if the engine was programed for regular tcw-3 oil at 50 to 1, 46 oz of oil was used...either way less than 1/2 gallon of oil was consumed ...I will say this when I take my 175 E-tec up to erie and run it hard trying to locate fish I will use 18 gallons of gas in 1 day......B-lou

[porkchop]

SSH: in reference to you comment about the 150 HO only using 18 of gas while fishing Lac Seul. I was there this summer and also used 20 gallons of gas with my 150 HO E-tec. I was fishing Tuktegweik Bay. The 150 HO burns about 14 gallons per hour at WOT. That gives me a range of 74 miles on 20 gallons of gas running wot@52 mph. I fished 6 days and that would let me move around 12.3 miles per day if I only ran @WOT. My range would go up to 86miles if I ran at cruise speed of 26mph then I would only burn about 6GPH . That works out to 14.3 miles per day. Tuktegweik Bay is only 4 miles long. I did run down to Bears Narrows one day also. We towed our boats up there to the bay behind our houseboat and it was a blast. Check the numbers for yourself. http://www.e-tecinfonet.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/e-tec150-alumas175.pdf

Thanks,
Porkchop

[capnlee]

I have a 75hp E Tec. My boat has a 19 gallon gas tank. I just spent an entire week on the water plus the weekend previous. I spent a lot of time trolling but did spend a considerable amount of time cruising and at WOT. 9 days on the water and I only burned a half tank of gas and a half tank of oil---and I'm still programmed for 50:1

[05 FLW Champ data]

YAMAHA left the E-TEC's in the dust during the 2005 FLW Tour Championship day 3 and 4 on identical 621's. This is a fact!

[bigshooter]

capnlee, you must have an alaskan?

if so do you mind if i get some stats?, WOT RPM'S, top speed, prop pitch etc...

thanks - bigshooter

[capnlee]

bigshooter,

I actually have a 1660 Classic Sport, but here are some stats.

The motor is mounted one hole up.
Boat weight: 900 lbs
Motor Weight: 320 lbs
Prop: 13p Alum.
Top speed: 33.9 gps w/gear and passenger (I got 38 with a 15p prop)
WOT RPMs: 5600 (4200 ft. elevation)

The boat planes very quickly and the ride is dry. My only complaint is I can only troll down to 2.5, but it goes under 2 trolling into a stiff breeze/light wind. I have a 2hp Honda kicker but it has no clutch so its a pain sometimes. I also have a 44 lb. elec. transom mount, but haven't tried it yet.

[bigshooter]

capnlee, thanks for the reply.......a suggestion, put the 15p back on and run 5300 rpm's........i have been told that running over 5500rpms will viod warranty per bomber techy. i have over rev'd so don't feel bad and besides anything over 5200 rpm your just wasting gas.....i have a fuel flow meter on mine and the there is a 2 gallon per hour difference that last 2 mph on top.

i am running a 15p aluminum on an 1800 alaskan, that is heavily loaded. all the rigging, myslef, full tank and fishing gear is just over 35 on gps. recently i adjusted the motor height, went two holes up......too much, i am at one up now but have only tried it once, i think it is the spot though.

good to hear another lund guy with an e-tec, not many of us........might be the last lund i buy since i hate those black plagues there forcing on us nowadays.

- bigshooter

[jonnyl]

Thanks for backing up my story guy's.
I dont keep exact stats on this stuff. It's not a bass & walleye shootout test, just an obsevation but do I know I spent less on gas then I did for bait & beer!
PS My buddy has a 60 e-tec on a 16 lowe and he tells me he went through 10 gallons for the week.

[Cold Front Illinois]

I am not so sure about the statement of the 2005 FLW finals. If that was the one in Moline Illinois last year, I was there at the final way in and every pro that mentioned the supplied boat said something about the ETEC. Not a one to my recolection mentioned the Yamaha. Now that being said, I don't know where you got your information. Besides that, more people may take you serious if you post your name and not post with no name.

This is my first year with my 225 ETEC on a Ranger 620. Best engine I have owned, and I had a 1999, 200 hp opti prior to this one. That also was a great motor, just a little louder. No big deal when you are going in the high 50's. The ETEC is much quieter at the lower speeds though.

The biggest difference between the two is, I just hooked up the Lowrance net to my ETEC. What a great idea for those two to partner up. I get tons of data from the computer of the engine displayed on my X111. A $60.00 cable, an hour playing with my boat in my garage, and I was up and running. Just ordered the fuel flow sensor and I will now be able to tell you exactly how many gallons of fuel I burn on any giving day, week or year. All displayed on the Lowrance.

If Merc doesn't do this, they are burried in the sand. For some reason, I think this also works with the Yamaha's. Not sure though.

We the consumer have been the beneficiary of the horsepower, 2 stroke/4 stroke debate and the motors just keep getting better and better.

[Eco]

Look at the forum topic "lets talk outboards" at great lakes angler-lets talk salmon fishing and see what you think. The discussion is very informative about all the new technology. I have seen both good and bad from most of the new high dollar motors. Its best to learn as mush as you can before you invest, especially if you dont intend to switch rigs every few years.

[Noel]

guest,

Bill, it could be that all the Optimax have blown up?

[AndyR]

What about the new Merc ProXS? I think this could be comparable to the E-Tec. I have no hard data of it, just what I have been reading about the merc though.
In a Boat-Motors Mag they compared it to a Yammi 4 stroke, Verado and a suzuki (No E-tec. For a reason???? :) ) The Merc ProXS was the top in every category except quietness. It had the best fuel economy at WOT and through out the range, Low Emissions and highest top end speed. All these were done on a '06 Ranger 620 maxed out. I dont rememeber the numbers but I remember who was #1. I found that pretty interesting.

I have a '06 619 Ranger with a 200 E-Tec HO. I love the motor, its quiet, starts right up (What new motor doesnt?),gets great top-end speed and has some great acceleration.

[pointless]

Isn't it pointless to compare 4 stroke engines to the 2 strokes anyways? I mean they are two totally different engines. So why would anyone want to compare an E-tec to anything other than a Opti? Of course the makers want to show how great the motors are against something other than what they are offering. We are lucky, we still have a choice on 2 and 4 strokes!

[BlackSilver]

I don't much care who whupped who in what shootout, because I use my motor to "motor on across the lake" to the next walleye hole. I want it to get me there crisply with no fuss, as little gas and oil as possible, and get me back to camp FAST if a thunderhead looms on the far horizon.

I've run a 90HP E-Tec for two years now, and it does all that stuff (and more) better than I ever expected. I grin every time I see that rascal strapped to the transom of my 10-year-old S#@*^%raft. (Too bad I can't get one on a Lund!)


Hans/MN
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[BlackSilver]

I thought it was an excellent marketing strategy. BRP saw 4-strokes as the perceived 'gotta have', and showed how they could be better. When I was in the market two years ago to repower my boat due to a fried power head, I was initially only looking at 4-strokes, and the E-Tec advertising turned my head.

And I'm ****ed glad it did!

Hans/MN
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[river_runner]

>gee, is there a reason the merc 115 optimax has not been
>mentioned. Its a 2 stroke/ direct fuel injected engine. better
>try one before ya make your purchase. Get back too us with
>your comments , but only after you run one
>Thank You
>Bill Hall
The 115hp E-TEC is a V-4 and the 115hp Opti is a 3 cylinder.

The E-TEC is quieter, smoother, more responsive, faster...I think maybe that is why Opti wasn't mentioned.

[skeeter il]

three years or three hundred hours is that the warrenty

[BlackSilver]

Mine came with a 7-year warranty, with no mention of hours. First dealer maintenance is recommended at 300 hours.

Hans/MN
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[seahorse]

>three years or three hundred hours is that the warrenty?<


There is a promotion going on now thru March 31st which includes a free 7 year, unlimited hours, warranty coverage.

[Juls_OH]

Seahorse, as you probably already know...there's actually a little more to that promotion than just the 7yr option. People have choices with this one. ;)

Juls
Press Release:
BRP LAUNCHES THE INDUSTRY'S BEST OUTBOARD RETAIL PROMOTION

Extended Evinrude buying period, extended options

Sturtevant, Wis., November 10, 2006 – Consumers can now take advantage of the 2007 Evinrude retail promotion presented by BRP.

"For the fifth year in a row, BRP is offering the best outboard purchasing incentive consumers can find," said Mike Kennedy, vice president, North American sales – Outboard Engines. "With three tremendous offers to purchase an industry-leading product, there's never been a better time to buy an Evinrude E-TEC outboard."

Consumers can select from the following promotion options:

1. $4 per horsepower credit toward the purchase of a qualified Evinrude E-TEC or Evinrude direct injection outboard; or a rebate check for $4 per horsepower sent directly to the consumer from BRP US Inc.

2. An outboard non-declining extended protection plan of 4 years, in addition to the standard limited warranty of 3 years, for a total of 7 years of protection.

3. A new 42-inch LG plasma high definition TV (an estimated value of $2,500) with the purchase of a 150-hp or above engine.

The promotion is only offered in the Continental U.S. and Canada on consumer retail purchases between November 10, 2006 and March 31, 2007. To participate in the offer, consumers must visit a participating Evinrude dealer. A list of participating dealers is available at www.evinrude.com. Consumers can find complete details including official promotion rules on www.evinrude.com or at participating dealerships

[saugers2 ul]

Does RAM make a mount that will hold that Plasma up in 3 footers?:cheers:

[175ru]

if there is a will, then there is a way. all you would have to throw in would be a fridge and a microwave

[honda cat]

HI GUYS
I am a boat dealer and sell both Honda and Evienrude motors
The 115 hp etech is truly a awesome motor the claims in this case do not seem to be exaggerated ,.I was impressed with how small a package it came in
This engine would surely blow away the 115 Honda because of weight alone
but i would still chose the Honda for a heavy load or a pontoon boat or some thing like . for a bass boat or a performance type boat it would be the etech all the way
There is or in my openion will never be ONE BEST motor for all applications . Just like there is no one boat that will work for all kinds of fishing .
But hey thats the openion of some one selling stuff for what thats worth . I dont belive that just because some one is involved in the industry their openions and experiences should be discounted because of a career path.
Its about integrity .

HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON !

[T J]

Man thats funny!!!!! 7 years warranty very nice, is this warranty to be purchased in addition to the 3 year or are they throwing it in.
Merc is giving 3 year on top of three year at no cost to customers thru feb i believe.

[T J]

Man thats funny!!!!! 7 years warranty very nice, is this warranty to be purchased in addition to the 3 year or are they throwing it in.
Merc is giving 3 year on top of three year at no cost to customers thru feb i believe.

[BlackSilver]

>7 years warranty very nice, is this
>warranty to be purchased in addition to the 3 year or are they
>throwing it in.

The 7 year warranty was no additional cost when I bought my eTec 2 years ago.

Hans/MN
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Come sit by the fire and warm your bones. Share a bracing drink and a few tales. “The wind was picking up, the bite was cold, my hands were numb, nose was running, I had to pee, and I was thinking of heading for the dock, when...."

http://home.earthlink.net/~k0hb

[BlackSilver]

>7 years warranty very nice, is this
>warranty to be purchased in addition to the 3 year or are they
>throwing it in.

The 7 year warranty was no additional cost when I bought my eTec 2 years ago.

Hans/MN
--

Come sit by the fire and warm your bones. Share a bracing drink and a few tales. “The wind was picking up, the bite was cold, my hands were numb, nose was running, I had to pee, and I was thinking of heading for the dock, when...."

http://home.earthlink.net/~k0hb

[Juls_OH]

The promotion is a 4yr non-declining warranty on top of the normal 3yr...giving you a 7 year warranty at no extra cost to the buyer.

Juls

[Juls_OH]

The promotion is a 4yr non-declining warranty on top of the normal 3yr...giving you a 7 year warranty at no extra cost to the buyer.

Juls

[pepe]

hey juls: i was looking for fishing report from you. you were suppose to go fishing on thanksgiving. how did you do....pepe

[pepe]

hey juls: i was looking for fishing report from you. you were suppose to go fishing on thanksgiving. how did you do....pepe

[Juls_OH]

I posted a report on the fishing reports page last night. ;)

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=80775&mesg_id=80849&page=

Juls

[Juls_OH]

I posted a report on the fishing reports page last night. ;)

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=80775&mesg_id=80849&page=

Juls

[pepe]

i guess i didnt see it because it was a reply to someone elses post. sounds like you had a good time. your right those 2 to 4 lbs are great eating fish. i hope you continued success....pepe

[pepe]

i guess i didnt see it because it was a reply to someone elses post. sounds like you had a good time. your right those 2 to 4 lbs are great eating fish. i hope you continued success....pepe

[AAN]

Mr. Boat Dealer,

Your comment intrigues me because I'm looking at a 1750 ranger or 175 Alumacraft and debating between the Honda 115 or the Etec 115? Given the Ranger weights over 1650, would the Honda be better? The purpose is purely fishing no skiing or very fast driving.

[honda cat]

aan
as long as the boat you are talking about is a newer wide body ranger sounds like you would be much happyer with the four stroke.
It does not mind trolling at all, unsurpassed reliability the new 90 hp honda with the blast system has a awsome hole shot and is much lighter than the 115 . the less weight would compensate for the 25 hp less
be fore warned the 115 e tech would be a much faster set up
either motors you would be happy with in this case long term i would choose the four stroke honda 90 .Price should almost identical
call the honda/evienrude shop in calumet city Il for more details

[honda cat]

aan
as long as the boat you are talking about is a newer wide body ranger sounds like you would be much happyer with the four stroke.
It does not mind trolling at all, unsurpassed reliability the new 90 hp honda with the blast system has a awsome hole shot and is much lighter than the 115 . the less weight would compensate for the 25 hp less
be fore warned the 115 e tech would be a much faster set up
either motors you would be happy with in this case long term i would choose the four stroke honda 90 .Price should almost identical
call the honda/evienrude shop in calumet city Il for more details

[AAN]

Mr. Boat Dealer

Thanks for that information the surprise is that you think a 90 hp Honda would be adequate for a 1600 lb boat. It would seem that you'd only get about 30 mph out of that, I'd like to be able to cruise in the 23 t0 30 mph range with top end in the 38 plus or minus range. The Reata 1750/1760 is rated for the 130 and Ranger tells me the 115 Yamaha is the most often used power for this boat, I'm a bit partial to the Honda but the Etec is also interesting me some.

[Bill hall]

I enjoy reading factual information , but you and river runner are making statements you know nothing about. But dont feel alone the other individuals on this topic are very biased and ill informed.For the record/ Bass @walleye magizine june 05/ dec of 05/. Rude awaking #1/ mercury optimax uses less fuel, and produces fewer emissions!
"AFTER ALL THE EMISSIONS HYPE AND MILEAGE HYPE FROM EVINRUDE, WE EXPECTED THE E-TEC HO TO REALLY PUT A HURTIN' ON THE OTHER TWO WHEN IT CAME TO THE FUEL FILLUP. YET THAT WAS NOT THE CASE AT ALL." Bass @ walleye boats magazine/ june @ dec 05. Also in regards too fuel emissions, Mercury optimax produces 10% less than evinrudes E tech, despite Evinrudes claims regarding emissions.
Rude awaking #2/ MERCURY OPTIMAX beats E-tech in aceleration, top speed and weight."In the all important mid-range acceleration contest
the evinrude, again was the slowest...The Merc, however, pulled ahead
smartly with a 6.8 clocking..." Bass @ walleye magizine.
RUDE AWAKING #3/ Mercury Optimax is engineeed to perform and DESIGNED TO lAST! "HANDLINGWISE, the MERCURY was the best of the three- no conte4st." Bass @ walleye boats magizine.
RUDE AWAKING #4/ OPTIMAX is the best value on the water! MERCURY OPTIMAX 225 PRO XS/$16,664. evinrude e tech 225 ho $20,421.
Bass @ walleye boats magizine, june 2005.
The truth is, MERCURY OPTIMAX blew evinrude E-tech out of the water in two unbiased, third party head-to-head competitions. No wonder Evinrude conveniently left OPTIMAX out of comparisons with other direct-fuel-injected engines.The award winning, highest in customer-satisfaction-rated MERCURY OPTIMAX is faster,more fuel efficent, less expensive and cleaner burning than e-tech. compare the true facts and see for yourself how OPTIMAX blows E-tech and the rest of the dfi market out of the water.
sincerely
BILL HALL

[Renman]

I run a 115 e-tec on a lowe fish and ski FS 185 .I get 42 mph gps top speed and can troll easily between 1-2 mph (550rpm) depending on wind direction. I chose this motor over the 4 strokes for torque and weight ,substantially lighter than some 4 strokes,fuel economy is so close that it can not be argued .
I chose this motor over the 115 opti mostly because the e-tec is a v4 and the opti is a straight 3 cylinder, which makes it smoother and quieter than the opti.You would also have to be a sound technician to decide which of the 4 strokes or the e-tec is quieter.
That last selling point for me was at the time it was the only motor with the 7 year warranty easy winterizing and no scheduled maintenance for 3 years or 300 hours .I sure hated hauling in my 4 stroke in for it 20 hours and 100 hour services.

[honda cat]

all the new motors are great and it would be hard to go wrong with any brand rite now .
the new efi honda 90 will sure surprise a lot of people this year . thats the only reason i recommend it for the lund you mentioned it wont be the fastest never said it would
but the honda line is the only one to win the consumer csi award three years in a row .
and they have the best resale value of any other motor on the market so far any way .
I rarely get in to these discussions because i do sell motors but the initial question was honda vs e tech and i happen to sell both felt in this case i could offer a fair comparison .
Good luck and happy holidays

[unlogged Eric olson]

Hondacat,

Careful on the comparison between a 90 and a 115 for the mentioned boat- Ranger 1750. No offense Hondacat but, unfortunately there is no way that a 90 would be the appropriate engine on that boat, it's rated for a 130 and the 115 hp is the best engine for that boat. This boat and the 1850/1860 are just about the only exception to maxing out the hp on Rangers (all others run max listed hp) although you don't want to go less than 20% of the max hp even in this class boat. Maybe on the Alumacraft a 90 would be OK but that would be it.

Especially when you get a full load, 3 guys, 2 coolers, 10 rods,full livewell (now that's priceless!) and a partridge in a pear tree (the holiday version) Less than a 115 would be a dissappointment.

I have run this boat and the 1850 extensively and that's what I have found.

Tight Lines
Big Fish
EO

[AAN]

Eric

Thanks for the help, I met you last summer in Bismarck at Moritz and we rode in an 1850 at the Ranger Days. I was really questioning the 90 HP, seemed like it would really be too small. Hope you have a good winter, I haven't decided on a boat yet, but Alum boats seem to be getting heavier and priced closer to fiberglass, so that is getting me to lean more towards fiberglass. I haven't driven a 1750-60 yet and want to do so before I buy, some think I'll be disappointed in the performance.

[OntarioAngler]

I winterized my 225 E-tec on the weekend. It took longer to put the garden hose on it then it was to winterize it. It took about 1 minute from the captains seat to do it. Unbelievable. Didn't even get my hands dirty. Truly a superior motor.

[honda cat]

The new Honda 90 is a all new motor and is in no way comparable to the old carburated models this is what my comments are directed at and until I had ran this motor i would have had the same opinion that the boat would have been way underpowered. My opinion is what it is and is based on actual first hand experience of my own
I respect others opinions and respectfully disagree with the NO WAY comment. I doubt some one that makes that comment actually has ever ran this new motor I was talking about. Yes the etech is also a great motor and the better choice if optimum performance is the top priority.

[Jimmy Jig]

It would appear to me that horsepower is horsepower. I don't see that it would make much difference if the motor was carbed or fuel injected. Also 90hp isn't going to equal 115hp. Honda has been so far behind the other manufacturers, with their carburators its about time they looked around at the real world. You couldn't get anyone to buy a car with a carb on it today. Most people agree that a 4-stroke will not out perform a 2-stroke. There may be exception but its not Honda.

[honda cat]

horse power and torque and weigh all go into the equation
it easy to over simplify and say hp is hp but the rating system is not that simple when you figure in the 10% + or - that is allowed when labeling the rated hp on all engines since 1986 at least all the out boards are rated at the prop shaft before that date one co could have rated hp at the prop shaft and another could rate hp at the fly wheel
after it all said and done its how happy the customer is with his motor a year or so after the sale or as they call it the csi rating = consumer satisfaction index
There is only one outboard manufacturer that has ever won this award three years in a row this is not my openion but the opemion of the hard working fisherman and boaters that spend thier hard earned money on these expensive machines

[tail dancer]

correction the Yamaha f250 at w.o.t., has better fuel mileage than the Merc 250xs...Merc 2.9 and Yamaha 3.2 in Bass and Walleye Boats.