Walleye Central Posting

[Gary Korsgaden]

It really seems that WC has become sterile, the reason is in the fashion its posts are allowed or dusted. I feel the moderators have taken away the open dialogue with their abuse of power in locking or dusting posts. I agree personal shots should not be allowed, if that is going to be the case, then the same rules should be for products on here. Lund took alot heat on here some time ago and that post was left up. I wonder what happened to Lunds name on WC. I would expect a bit more professionalism and less ego by the moderators when policing this site.We all have a right to our opinions but it seems of late that ego's and abuse of power have over ruled common sense. I hope we all can work towards this and restore WC as the best place to communicate fishing.

[I agree]

I totally agree.

Call me weak or a baby but I'm a regualr here and chose to sign in without my name in fear of retribution.

The Tourney Talk page has especially taken a little more abuse of power than others.

Someone needs a chill pill.

[ebijack]

anyone who wants to sign up as a mod can e-mail scott and take my place. if you believe we over power this board then you should really get on this side of the fench. take my spot, i won't miss it a bit! your asking for something that can never be reached.. middle ground, you won't make everyone happy ever. we let scott make the call on quite a few postings when they are really in a grey area. it's his site and no one else's. you want free un-edited open posting, start another site and see how it goes.
and why not log in and post... can't take the heat? what heat? that's why things get edited/deleted/dusted. simple rules shouldn't be so hard to follow but as viewed here, that's not what happens. so moderators have to try to do the best they can to control the postings that are continually being posted. were not here all day/night checking.
take my spot

[Unlogged (unlogged)]

So you want to defer us to Scott with the over deleting of posts, but when it comes to being unlogged you don't want to defer to his rules?

What gets me is the constant badgering from the mods and others about unregistered guests, why don't you want to follow Scott's rules when it comes to registering.

Lets quote his rules when it provides a little butt cover on deleting but not when it comes to registering.

I agree with the original poster, deleting has gotten out of hand.

If you dislike being a Moderator, then don't do it any more, but don't use it as an excuse.

>anyone who wants to sign up as a mod can e-mail scott and
>take my place. if you believe we over power this board then
>you should really get on this side of the fench. take my spot,
>i won't miss it a bit! your asking for something that can
>never be reached.. middle ground, you won't make everyone
>happy ever. we let scott make the call on quite a few postings
>when they are really in a grey area. it's his site and no one
>else's. you want free un-edited open posting, start another
>site and see how it goes.
> and why not log in and post... can't take the heat? what
>heat? that's why things get edited/deleted/dusted. simple
>rules shouldn't be so hard to follow but as viewed here,
>that's not what happens. so moderators have to try to do the
>best they can to control the postings that are continually
>being posted. were not here all day/night checking.
>take my spot

[gonfishn95]

I agree sometimes it seems like post get dusted. It does appear that way that some post gets deleted because it did not set right with a moderator. There is no happy ground for anyone, being a mod is not easy.

I am sure there are many times there are post that a comment gets deleted in the interim that we all do not see, and then it just gets too out of hand and then it gets locked or dusted. I believe we all miss the point sometimes.

The moderators here do a great job and I think if ANYONE is unhappy ask for a refund or start your own site.

[Toolman]

To the unlogged, no nuts bashers:

The mods are volunteers, so sign up or back up. There's plenty of walleye fishing sites out there you can switch over to. Better yet, create one more yourself and play by your own rules. I'm sure you won't mind nameless posters bashing you.

Have a good one.

Tim Joseph

[mrbreeze]

I guess that I can see both sides of this. On the one hand, being a moderator is a relatively thankless job and I can understand why people might take issue with why/how/when some posts get locked or dusted. On the other hand, there is at least one moderator that has a hard time dusting or locking a post without some type of wisecrack remark...there is a difference between being an effective moderator and being one that just has to stick the knife in and turn it one more time before hitting the button. Just my $.02.

By the way, I noticed that the Walmart/Irwin Jacobs thread from yesterday is gone. I realize that it was on the tournament board (which was the wrong place I agree), but why wasn't it just moved to the general discussion board (or did I miss it)?

[perchjerker]

so you are saying no one should be allowed take shots at boat companies or other product manufacturers?


wouldnt that make the site even more "sterile?"

[mrbreeze]

If you are referring to my post, I think that perhaps you misinterpreted what I was saying. I absolutely think that people should be able to take shots at manufacturers and products if they have had bad experiences with them. My point was that I didn't understand why the post was deleted instead of moved.

[perchjerker]

I was replying to Garys post

if you look under the post number, it says "in response to..."and the post number. If you click on that, it takes you to the post being replied to.

I know a lot of people dont realize this though, it makes it hard knowing who is talking to whom sometime

I dont know what happened to the wallmart post or why. Whoever did it did so on thier own without asking the rest of us.

;)

[GF]

I am glad you pointed that out as it is confusing as to who is doin who here. Good thing to know. ANOTHER MOD DOIN A FINE JOB.
I would imagine there is only one person who could delete with out conferring..... :stirthepot:

[Walleye Farse]

Other sites are sensored ALLOT more. The mods here aren't perfect, but do a great job as a consensus between themselves compared to some one-horse operations. ;)

[Gary Korsgaden]

Let me say posters as well moderators take responsiblity too. Did I say moderators do a bad job just that it might help this site to be less trigger happy and keep the personal remarks to themselves when a post is dusted. Critcism leveled at boats and motors are valid if all channels are used to resolve the problem are exhausted, but if this is first place one stops when they have a problem is not fair to the mfg or dealer....I think most would agree with me on this. Boat and hull failure on any boat I would tend to believe happens when the operator does not know the vessel limitations. High waves cause intense pounding and frankly most of the new walleye boats are not chined properly for heavey waves.

[perchjerker]

guess you want me to delete this Gary?

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=252273&mesg_id=252273&page=

[Sterile]

You are correct Gary. We had a thread about a former
Walmart executive's Lawsuit concerning BOAT MONEY BAG, Irwin Jacobs, giving kickbacks to the Walmart CEO and hiring the Walmart's CEO son. Guess what? That thread was dusted in a New York Minute! Scott will allow no critical remarks against ANYBODY in the Fishing industry no matter what the circumstances may entail. This is what I call Walleye Central Immunity (WCI). You can't be critical of the PWT, MWC or FLW becuase they can do anything they want without critical comments coming from posters on WC. PERIOD! Thgis has been proven at least 4,568 times. Doesn't matter if it is the truth. If the truth looks bad against the holders of WCI, then the truth gets dusted. As a side note, another name that could be given to walleye Central moderators are "Censores". If Irwin Jacobs said jump, Scott Golden would be saying,
"How High MR Jacobs".

[perchjerker]

its spelled

censors.

[RDJ]

There you go PJ showing why you mods are in high demand and short supply! How can someone criticize another who will do spell check for free?? Nothing selfish about that...Keep up the good work..RJ

[perchjerker]

we are here to serve...

and to tick off...

[bob oh]

good job, you ticked me off and I don't even understand what we're talking about? :-)

rod bender bob

[ezmarc]

You are doing both jobs very well! LOL

OOPS! Should have logged out now I'll be on your short list too!

[1 who Posts 2 Much]

It goes in spurts.
Certain brands tend get favouritism while some get hammered relentlessly. Some brands you never hear bad at all. That is because some brands are relative newcomers to the walleye world and don't have many owners. You don't hear much about them due to lack of numbers.

There are two kinds of products that get bashed most.
a)Those that are most popular, most owned, most used.
b)And those that are just not good.

All in all, the moderators do a very good job here.
But, everybody has a bad day now and then. ;)

[mrbreeze]

"its spelled

censors."


Actually it would be "it's spelled..." There should be an apostrophe between the "it" and the "s", since it is a contraction for "it is".

OK....I couldn't help it LOL...............

[perchjerker]

lol

thats not knowing how to spell, its laziness.

oops I did it again! twice this time.

;)

[Thomas O]

That's what I love about this site, you can get english lessons, correct grammar lessons,how to spell correctly, and great tips on how and where to catch walleyes. Ya gotta love it. The moderators do a good job, but sometimes it seems like baby-sitting this forum can be a little frustating. Have a good one. Tom O

[Dan Lewin.]

I agree with Mr. Korsgaden in that WC has taken a step backwards as of late caused by what appears to be delete button eagerness. When he started this thread, there were 3 locked threads on page one of the Tournament Board! This in my opinion confirms the point. I fully understand that WC is privately owned and will run as the bosses see fit, but allow me to continue. I have observed moderators occasionally voicing displeasure of the fact that fewer in the know contributors (pros) are willing to participate here. I have seen their voices squelched and then moving on to enhance other boards. Take Mr. Fellegy as an example: Some time ago we had a thread discussing the legal netting of walleye. Steve was engaged in very civil exchanges and then became the target of the trigger happy. I cannot speak for Mr. Fellegy, but it appears to me that Steve’s absence is his way of ensuring that WC silenced him for the last time! Thus, WC again loses another excellent voice / contributor! WC should embrace the comments within this thread and grow from them, but as I stated….this is their show. Good post Gary!

[FuzzyIL]

Tim - what you say makes a lot of sense. We don't pay to use this
portal so we have little to say in managing the content - the owners can do what they want and coach the moderators how to handle posts.
The owners have advertisers that pay for placement here and thier interests have to be protected - which it fair in my eyes.

It seems the mods tend to dust posts that 'taint the image' of professional walleye fishing or bash a product or a person. So them's the rules I guess.

I have been visiting this site since it first came up and believe me
things are much more pleasant in here than the early days.

The chats room and MB posts were constant textual fist fights.

[dusted again]

Gary i agree with you 1000% i made a post this spring about who was getting there boats wrapped, it was dusted ,we know that all the boats that got wrapped started with a r, but didnt g3 and yamaha poney up large sums of cash to be sponsers in the flw game?