Are you a "prostitute"?

[Schnauzer]

This has been hashed around quite a bit elsewhere but I figured I'd post here to give the Walleye Central community a chance to weigh in on the following comments...

This is a couple of the quotes from an article by Vivian Clark of the Mille Lacs Messenger regarding recent DNR input meetings for local business owners (their chance to provide input on the recent Mille Lacs slot change):

With unprecedented pressure on the lake playing a large role in the tighted slot limit, Terry Thurmer, of Terry's Boat Harbor, on St. Albans Bay, suggested closing the public accesses or charging a fee to the users.

"Those people who come up and use the public accesses buy their bait in the cities, take OUR fish and go home without spending a dime here," Thurmer said. " There shouldn't be any free access to the lake. The guy's using the public access are not the guys paying real estate taxes here. You are making it really easy for them and really hard for us to make a buisness. We need to keep the fishing prostitutes away from the the public access."

Then Aikin County Commissioner Paul Bailey said he would like the DNR to consider a moratorium on building more public accesses.
"We don't need more free access," Bailey said. "We have to think about the buisnesses trying to make a living, not the prostitutes from the cities."

[Prostitute]

These comments exemplify the mentality of the indivuals that own resorts on Mille Lacs. If Terry stops to think of the fact that he also benefits from the PUBLIC LAUNCHES and would be required to pay higher taxes on a closed/private non-State managed Lake he might have not made that statement. While he pays taxes he also benefits from the increased values of his property.

In addition, for a guy like Terry to make a statement as he did and being an individual that hasn't likely put a dime back into his place to improve it, is absolutely ridiculus!!!! His place hasn't seen a paint brush since he purchased it from the prior owners 10-15 years ago. Terry has more than benefited from the traffic on the Lake and his Launch clients, which he failed to mention. I used Terry's landing quit a bit and now going forward will find another place to launch, maybe the Prostitue Landings!!!!

Get a clue Resort Owners, start running them like real resorts and you might find a happy ending to your prolonged life story.

CATCH AND RELEASE MILLE LACS FOR EVER>

[AllenW]

Might be the way to end the problem is to eliminate all fishing on the lake for oh...10 years or so. :)

Glad they are his fish also.

I may be wrong, but isn't the DNR and their stocking programs supported buy tax dollars, and isn't public landing built on tax dollars?
Not sure but I think it may be.

Seems to me years back all they did up there is tout how they were the walleye capital of the world, sometimes when you advertise you get results, they sure did here, now they're whinning about it.

They should have been concerned 20+ years ago or more, if ya ask me.

Fee's for non residents?
How about fee's for all them non residents who come up and fish off them charter boats, wonder how many fish they take?
And what makes residents so special, the lake isn't private is it?

Milacs may have problems, but I think there's better ways of correcting them...imho

I don't fish Milacs anymore, but its a crying shame they, meaning everybody doesn't seem to want to work together?

Al

[FuzzyIL]

I'll go for a long shot here but this is probably Mr. Bailey's last term on the Commission. What a goof.

Gee Whiz. I had no idea that there are so many hookers in the Twin Cites. I know everyone in Minnesota owns a boat so it goes without saying that the hookers fish too. But doesn't it seem unfair to only exclude these hard working women and let everyone else use the public access? Doesn't seem fair to me to exclude one group of people like that.

[dutchboy]

Commissioner Paul Bailey's comments although off base actually are predictable. As an elected official his duty is to support his people (resort owners) where he can.

Terry's comments on the other hand were out of order. The backlash from this won't be good for his business. Which is to bad because I launch there often.

[Fellow Prostitute]

I couldn't agree more. A public official making an off base comment like that is bone headed. Thats not public support its just stupidity

[GlasseyesIII]

It is a public lake. The public already pays plenty of money in taxes for the privilege to use this public resource. Same for all public bodies of water, public lands, public roads and public facilities.
Mr. Thurmer offers services, but he can't force people to use his services.

[KDA]

I'm a prostitute. Not from the "Big City" mind you, but I do drive a little over an hour to the pond. I've docked at Terry's four times this year and bought lunch about half the times.

By my math that's about 50-60 bucks that he got from me this year.

He'll not get any more.

[The Whole Story]

is located here:

http://millelacsmessenger.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=34&ArticleID=16881

I could not agree more. Terry is an idiot. And if you would like to send him a note, do it here:

http://www.terrysboatharbor.com/contact.html

[John in Mn]

I can picture Terry in a kind of drunken Guilda Radner whine saying exactly that. Goog grief!

"There shouldn't be any free access to the lake," Thurmer continued. "The guys using the public access are not the guys paying real estate taxes here. You are making it really easy for them and make it really hard for us to make a business. We need to keep the fishing prostitutes away from public access."

[karpbuster]

Well EXCUSE ME! LOL

I may be wrong but that seems like complaining about too many hungry people coming to your restraunt because you make delicious meals. In this case they can only afford the basic grilled cheese sandwich with a pickle. If they can ID the patronage that are not spenidng any money they should pass that over to retailers...As a customer enters Wal*Mart...BEEP BEEP BEEP...I am sorry consumer type DUDE, you have only browsed without a purchase the last 10 visits (buying that package of snelled hooks doesn't count), please leave until you have sufficient discretionary income to make a purchase - cuz we are tired of you enjoying our store so much and breathing our air.

I am that person...I am a Prost-a-toot! :(

karpbuster

[Big Julie]

Hey, I'm not a prostitute! :shame:

I'm just easy! :muahaha:

[Hangman-Truckin]

I called Terry this morning(320-692-4430)to ask him about his idiotic comment. His only reply was "You people don't spend any money here. Stay home whore" I guess he never noticed the times I used his ice road and payed a fee over the years. I went on a one day trip to Mille Lacs about a month ago and between the four of us spent about $400 for gas bait and food. I can't imagine a person who depends solely on tourism making a statement like that. He needs to be told who butters his bread. Then there is this moron of a commisioner of a county that depends on tourism for a large part of its economy calling the people who visit and spend a lot of money in his county whores and prostitutes!! Unbelievable!!!!! I've got news for you Terry. I'm coming next weekend to get some of your fish. I really think that these two are a minority and most of the folks up there are smart enough to know where their income comes from. Please feel free to call Terry and let him know how you feel and speak with your wallet. When he goes under maybe someone will get a good buy on his place, fix it up to look respectable and smile and make us feel happy about spending our money there.

[Hot Runr Guy]

OK, you guys have got me checking the calender to see if this is some kind of Aprils Fool Day joke. Can this resort owner (who I wished was not named Terry, gives the rest of us a black eye) really trying to alienate the very clientel from the "cities" that rent his cottages, etc???? How is charging a ramp fee going to help or increase his business?
Wow.
HRG

[old school]

>Hey, I'm not a prostitute! :shame:
>
>I'm just easy! :muahaha:
>
that made me grin

[The Walleye Hooker]

>OK, you guys have got me checking the calender to see if this
>is some kind of Aprils Fool Day joke. Can this resort owner
>(who I wished was not named Terry, gives the rest of us a
>black eye) really trying to alienate the very clientel from
>the "cities" that rent his cottages, etc???? How is charging a
>ramp fee going to help or increase his business?
>Wow.
>HRG


Sounds to me like he is a whining resort owner going under because he didn't take care of his place, his customers, and let the business run down. He sees all the day-trippers who don't spend money at his place and figures he can force them to be his customers by closing off public launches. He doesn't realize that he himself is a major part of the problem.

I guess he will have to do like the resort owners in northern Wisconsin -- sell off his cabins as private property and make money on his bait/bar/grill best as he can.

I suspect his rant will cost him a lot of customers. I sure hope so.

The Walleye Hooker

[hgmeyer]

His rant sure did impress me... Quite negatively!!!

[Jim Ordway]

Main Entry: prostitute
Function: noun
1 a : a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse especially for money : WHORE b : a male who engages in sexual and especially homosexual practices for money
2 : a person (as a writer or painter) who deliberately debases his or her talents (as for money)

I would suspect that this gentleman has a very poor grasp of the native language. In what logical form could he have chosen the term prostitute for those using free launches? It appears that he is a bit backwards in all social mannerisms by naming his caller a whore.
The more I think about this, the more amusing it becomes.
Take care,

[Nightie]

Ask Terry why years ago the Dnr was questioning his night fishing techniques. Using generators to run halogen lights, very close to being illegal. I was told that about his techniques . He would brag night after night about the hundreds of fish they were catching. To abuse the resource for your profits. Nice!! and to question the people that write on these walleye web sites that promote the business on Mille Lacs you have to be kidding.

The reason the numbers of fisherman spend more time on the east side where the resorts are full is because they are run right, they are clean ,and supply a service to make people wanting to come back.
Hunters point is a great example. George Nitti works hard to supply people with what they want. I bring family and friends and we buy all bait there, eat all meals there and launch there why because it is run right.
Terry here is a chance for you to tell us what you bring to the table. Why should we come to your resort. Why don't you look in the mirror that's why we don't show at your place.

I suppose all Griz's business he brings- they are just prostitutes too.

This guy Thurmer has a ax to grind with somebody probably a guy who can afford a new Ranger and Suburban and he can't.

Is Terry's in Aikin county or is that crow wing? If he's not in Aikin county what a stupid thing to say by a official.

I suppose another statement taking out of contexts

[Vikings Fan]

I did not realize so many of us Mille Lacs fisherman were pros-ta-toots. Looking at some of my ugly fishing buddies,(myself included) I would think that if such a statement were literally true most of us pros-ta-toots would have gone broke long ago. Maybe that is why we have to use free public accesses to launch our pimped out walleye rigs. Or maybe it is all the other taxes we pay in Minnesota that allows us the freedom to launch at no fee sites. Public water is public water. Owning a little piece of real estate along side of public water does not give you the right to restrict the publics access to that water.

[lwfloors]

What a jerk. I will say that I go out of my way to not pay a launch fee. Here in WI the DNR does have, on some lakes, free access points and I choose to use them over a fee'd launch any day unless the safety of me or my boat is in question. While I choose not to pay launch fees if I do not have to, and I usually bring crawlers and leeches from home, almost always I stop and get lunch somewhere on the lake if offered, and after loading if not.

When I leave my house at 4am I do not want to stop and by bait in the morning. I do not want to get gas in the morning. I want to use all of my time fishing so I prepare the night before. So does that mean if I am hunting up by him I should go buy a treestand at 4am so that I am not stealing from his deer herd without lining pockets of Minn businesses? Tourism is the #1 business in northern WI and I am sure that it is the same in northern MN; for a business owner that relys on tourism for $ to have this attitude is finacial suicide. I am mad at his opinion at will definatley never do business with him, but also will sit back and happily watch capitalism work.

[Lake User]

Sounds like Terry is a Poor Excuse for a Business Man.
I believe God created the lakes and streams for ALL
to enjoy. It's time for Terry's place to to be bought
by the people of Minnesota. Bulldoze his buildings into
the lake for fish cribs, and make it part of the state park
system. We the people will always have free access to this lake.
We are in no way obligated to support your resort or business.

[Nightie]

I'm sure the treaty guy's will buy it. Knowing his T## is in the ringer the price might get even cheaper.

I thought when you ask for help you do it politely not complain about people to help you. usually the answer is no.

[Jet Man unlogged]

I have paid to use Terrys launch many times; but never again.

[jimmy4218]

Man almighty- what a bonehead. Living in northern Mn. I know of alot of great lakes to fish other than ML and so I go to those instead and leave the lake to those guys from the twin cities (I just prefer other lakes- that's all). That being said- I've fished Mille Lacs many times and with the slot limit shrinking and this jerk saying "go away" to the MAJORITY of his business, I'll just go find another smaller, quieter lake to fish on and watch the craziness from the sidelines.:boozer:

[cws]

That sounds like something the Catholic church would say...not Walmart.

[Jeremy_WI]

Terry's comments may have been taken out of context. There is a response from him on www.in-depthangling.com because he got a lot of heat from the crowd there

[bigfish1965]

Regionalism is a dangerous idea. Should the rest of the state and perhaps neighbouring states then charge those from that area for services they provide everyone else for free?
Ideas like this one start tit-for-tat disputes that do no one any good.

[Mark NL]

I couldn't find his response but there was someone at the meeting that says Tery DID NOT say what he was qouted as saying by the reporter. Where is Terry's response?

[lwfloors]

Now that the heat is on he is saying that he didn't say that. Sure seems fishy that He and Baily said they same things in the news report.

[Marble Eyes]

Someone should remind Terry that it is State and Federal Dollars that put those fancy roads in that bring in all those Prositutes into his Lake and catch his fish.

I bet he even let the Prositutes pay for his kids and grand kids education thru state and federal funding.

"A mind is a terrible thing to lose."

[Jeremy_WI]

http://www.in-depthangling.com/forum/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/553017/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/93/fpart/1

[PierBridge]

Here is Terry's responce or sorta of an apology/excuse posted on another site...........

Copy and paste.

From Terry’s Boat Harbor, Terry Thurmer:

After reading the article in the Mille Lacs Messenger, I now know why a lot of professional athletes, politicians, and people refuse to talk to the media.

I will first address the newspaper article and I will then tell you about the input meetings and issues that the input members have suggested to the DNR over the years.

I said we need to keep the fishing prostitutes away from the public access. What I meant by this is that anytime there is a super hot bite on this lake you can go to these accesses and see the same trucks and boats fishing every single day for weeks at a time. These same people also do this on other lakes and once in a while they get caught and then you read about all of the fish they got caught with in the newspaper. As far as people spending money up here the people that use the public accesses, some do, some do not. This does not make them prostitutes. Those of you that do spend money in and around the lake I can assure all of the businesses up here are thankful for your support.

As far as closing all public accesses on the lake I never said this. The DNR at a previous input meeting had asked for ideas on how to control the amount of fish taken out of the lake. I told them that one way they do it in some of the western states is to limit the number of hours that the public access are open. This would then eliminate some of the fishing pressure, which would help reduce the number of pounds of fish being taken. Yet, it would still provide public access fishing on a daily basis.

If this had been done this year they would have not had to reduce the slot limit. I think the majority of fishermen out there would have preferred to fish fewer hours and be able to fish all summer with the same slot.

Charging a fee to users of the public accesses, this was not even my idea. One of the people who works at one of the newspapers who published the article called me a day before our input meeting and brought this up to me. His idea was to charge for admission to public accesses and that money should go to the state to pay for restocking of the lake.

Input meeting and suggestions made to the DNR:

The entire Mille Lacs Controversy, and ever changing slots began when the Treaty Bands began exercising their Treaty Rights. The DNR no longer was going to manage the lake from a Biological standpoint, but rather by pounds of fish and the lake is still managed this way today.

The idea I brought forth to the DNR at the input meeting to end the controversy was to build a fish hatchery on Mille Lacs and raise Walleyes to the 14 to 16 inch range.

When the treaty harvest was over whatever pounds of fish they took out could be put back into the lake. If they had more fish in the hatchery than what Mille Lacs needed, the extra fish could be put into other lakes around the state.

The hatchery could also raise Perch, Northern Pike, or fish for forage to keep the lake population stable. Over the years, I’ve asked thousands of fisherman if they would be willing to pay extra money for a fishing license, if that money, would go towards a Mille Lacs hatchery. The answer from all of them was, Yes. The answer from the DNR was no. I then asked fellow resorter, former politician, and at that time a consultant for the Mille Lacs Band, Ron Maddox, for help on the hatchery idea.

I told Ron that Montana had a new state of the art hatchery on the Fort Peck Reservoir and that the Federal Government had paid the entire cost for building of the hatchery. All the State had to do was pay the costs of running it. Ron checked this out and found out that this was true.

Ron then went to the Mille Lacs Band and presented the hatchery idea to then Chief, Marge Anderson and Don Weidel the Mille Lacs Bands DNR Commissioner. To the Band’s Credit, they thought this was a good idea and were willing to discuss building the hatchery.

I visited with Ron this summer and asked him why nothing has been done on the hatchery. He told me even though the Mille Lacs Band was open to discuss the idea, that St. Paul wanted nothing to do with it. I brought this same hatchery issue up at the last input meeting, but this never appeared in the newspaper article.

Another idea we brought up to the DNR in the past and again at the last meeting the possibility of purchasing the fish from the Wisconsin Bands. The Wisconsin Bands talk a lot about commercial fishing. Commercial fishing means dollars.

I suggested that they meet with the Wisconsin Bands and offer them the dollars for the fish they were allotted. This way those Bands would not have to come over here to net, which would give the state more fish for the anglers to harvest each year. The DNR promised they would do this and as of the last meeting to my knowledge, they have never even talked to the Wisconsin Bands about this subject.

The state of Minnesota pays Two Million Dollars a year to the Leech Lake Band for no netting and yet, they will not spend ten cents on Mille Lacs to improve the lake. Again you never read this in the newspaper.

The DNR makes a five year plan with Tribal Bands, this is the last year of the current plan. The input committee feels that if you have a five year plan that any pounds that you are under the allotment in a year, should be carried forward to future years where more pounds could be used to offset overages in years such as this year.

The DNR plan does not work this way. This year they reduced the slot to the point that one can hardly even keep a fish. Yet, when this five year plan is over in November, we will be hundreds of thousands of pounds under the total allotted pounds for the last five years.

The input meetings for us involved are very frustrating. The DNR does not care what we say. They have their minds made up to as what the slots and pounds are going to be before we ever get to a meeting. Because of the DNR’s reluctance to use any of the advice suggested to them by the committee, only a fraction of the people who belong to the input committee even showed up for the last two meetings.

The members of the input group and the Business Community want stability for the lake. We are tired of ever changing slots and controversy, a hatchery would accomplish this goal for stability. We need the help of all the hunters, fishermen, and sporting groups to stand up and tell our Legislators this is enough. We want a new direction for Mille Lacs to end the controversy and if they do not want to help us then they should not be re-elected.

Anyone who would like to talk to me about this or any other matter pertaing to lake Mille Lacs please feel free to give me a call.
320-692-4430

[PierBridge]

From Mr. Paul Bailey...Paul Bailey Aitkin County
3rd District County Commissioner


From Mr. Paul Bailey...

What’s in a Word?

Recently at a DNR meeting, I deeply regret putting my mouth in gear before my brain and for the ones I offended, I am deeply sorry. The word prostitute was used in the conversation before me, but I realize a public official should be more careful in the use of language. Having said that, I still believe the public accesses on Mille Lacs are a big problem to manage the lake for walleyes. There are at least ten public accesses now and the DNR just bought out two resorts to make more public accesses. These
accesses are in direct competition to the resorts that are trying to make a living with boat launching and everything that goes with a fishing trip. They also pay Insurance, Real Estate Taxes and pay employees, who in turn have employment in our area. However, I do not think the resorts are
“lily white” either. Tournaments on Mille Lacs kill a lot of fish, maybe they need to go as well, so now the resorts can get angry with me too! Some of the old timers say the introduction of the muskie to Mille Lacs was a big strike in demise of walleye fishing. Now the guides can be angry, but I believe a large muskie or northern is like a hog, they will eat anything that moves in front of them including the walleye.

Getting back to managing Mille Lacs - the DNR has no easy task doing that, but suggestions from resorts, guides and responsible citizens should have more weight with their decisions. Number one, why do they allow any night fishing on Mille Lacs during the open water season? If you can’t catch enough
fish from daylight to dark, maybe you’ll live without fish. Lower the limit so fisherman gets to keep two or three fish and limit the tournaments or eliminate them. The cold hard facts are all of the solutions to point to,“whose ox get gored”. Starting with the DNR, who like to sell fishing licenses and boating registrations, stop buying land for public access. The Ojibway Tribe who have other business that are
affected by the lake and need to be included in decisions. The resorts who like to have the fishing regulations as liberal as possible, and the local people and metro fishermen who just would like to go fishing.

Now that I have everyone angry, I will sign off, but I hope this triggers some constructive criticism to the paper about solutions for Mille Lacs.

Paul Bailey
Aitkin County
3rd District County Commissioner

[lwfloors]

"I called Terry this morning(320-692-4430)to ask him about his idiotic comment. His only reply was "You people don't spend any money here. Stay home whore" I guess he never noticed the times I used his ice road and payed a fee over the years."

So I guess that Hangman-Truckin was lying about calling him? I think not. I have a feeling that he is already starting to feel the crunch and hopefully it does not stop.

[Prostitute]

If anyone buys this from either one of these guys I have some quality bridges in San Francisco to sell you. Obviously this was written by someone to help him from loosing business. What a JOKE!!!! It is more than a coniencidence that both he and Bailey stated the same. You said then stand by it and suffer the results.
Have a nice Day
Felleow Prostitute

[lwfloors]

"As far as closing all public accesses on the lake I never said this. The DNR at a previous input meeting had asked for ideas on how to control the amount of fish taken out of the lake. I told them that one way they do it in some of the western states is to limit the number of hours that the public access are open. This would then eliminate some of the fishing pressure, which would help reduce the number of pounds of fish being taken. Yet, it would still provide public access fishing on a daily basis." (from his response)



"There shouldn't be any free access to the lake," Thurmer continued. "The guys using the public access are not the guys paying real estate taxes here." (from the news story)


Hmm:horsepoop:

[JMKC]

Seems to me it's time to clean out the present DNR people. JJ

[Limiterr]

These issues are not just American. We had a similiar incident here in NW Ontario and stresses the importance of keeping an eye on OMNR and our ellected officials. There will always be greedy outfitters who view "our" lakes as theirs and always look at their bottom line. By the way it's outfitters that place a much higher usage on our resources through their marketting and allowing people to focus on fishing for days at a time through accomodation. OMNR in Ontario buy out outfitters on high usage lakes any time the opportunity presents itself.

[Wee Willy]

I guess we can call this guy the M.L. Madam. Has a certain U.S. Representative from Louisiana been seen in the area?

[EyeSlayer]

Wow! Baily sure is adept at damage control. :banging:

He should of followed in Terry's footsteps and had a professional write his letter.

[bob oh]

You are naive Pierbridge. I have been in the news business for a long, long time and I can tell you every time someone puts there foot in their mouth they were misquoted. Bet the reporter has him on tape. But even if he is on tape you'll believe him and blame in on the media because you've been programed to do that by the people who benefit.

rod bender bob

[Vikings Fan]

Spoken like a true politician. No comment beyond that.

[T Mac]

;) I sell boats. Does that count?

[TIM_C]

To compete with the public landings, perhaps the resort owners should look into some marketing strategies, particularly a concept called 'Added Value'.

A lot of folks I know use the public accesses because they believe the $10-$20+ fee to use the resort landings is excessive. They perceive this economically as a poor value.

Perhaps the resorts could change this perception by adding value to their 'launch use' fee.

How to do this? The 'launch use' receipt could be used at the resort as a coupon for special offers on food/beverages at the restaurant/bar. Or, could be used for a discount on bait(1/2 price bait,free box of worms,etc) on the customers next visit!

Point is, people like coupons and discounts as rewards when they spend their money! The resorts owners should look closer at this concept if they want to compete with the public landings.

My $.02

[karpbuster]

You can insert any institution (a retail corp is better), you want.

The point is, as a retailer you spend a lot of money to have that top of mind presence, but in a positive manner, so getting a lot of negative advertising is not good thing, and they received the opposite of what they were trying to get, and with their target audience.

I too have a problem with organized religions...go for the relationship with Jesus and you can not go wrong. I am having to infer what you really want to know...sorry if I missed your point. :)

karpbuster

[Rick G.]

I recently had a group, from a Church in Cokato Mn, ask me about the landings near Garrison. The group was going up for an outing on the lake. I stay at a resort on the east side, but advised a member of the group that with the low water conditions, they would be better off going to a resort that is protected, etc. and pay for a good launch site. Well I suggested Terrys. I guess I won't have to worry about that again.

This whole issue is mind boggling experience. I dont know which way to go, but I will start with a few ideas.

First, I dont care about property taxes. Property taxes do not pay for all the natural resources. All of us in MN that buy licenses, stamps, boat registrations, fishhouse tags, you name it, pay for stocking (By the way Mille Lacs is not stocked for Walleye), landings, and the Game Wardens to protect the resources. WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO THE RESOURCES. As a matter of fact, what happened to the idea of a constutional amendment in Mn to guarantee the right to hunt and fish....remember that one?

DNR fisheries is in need of change. I dont know why Mr. Payer is never held accountable for some of the terrible mismanagement of certain fisheries in this state.

This idea of a hatchery is pretty funny. Maybe those tribe members that have the great big netting boats, etc. should just sell them, stay home each spring where its warm, and go get some home grown fillets at the tribal hatchery. I believe its called aquaculture.......

This is a never ending issue. Buisness owners cant blame customers for their problems. I go to certain businesses because I know they appreciate the business, and they try to provide you with the best services.

What will be next.....

[lwfloors]

I sent an email the Vivian Clark about the whole thing to find out whether or not Mr. thurmer was being snowed. I will post mine to her the visa-versa.

Copy and Paste

Dear Ms. Clark,



I am emailing you because a controversy over a story that you wrote on July 18 entitled ³Resort community take DNR to task². The whole controversy is about the quote of Mr. Terry Thurmer. Mr. Thurmer is now claiming that he was misquoted and is being unfairly treated by the fishing community. I would like your input on whether or not he was misrepresented in what he said by taking things out of context. While I feel your reporting was quite clear and precise I would like to clear up any discrepancies at the source. As a fisherman that does travel to fish I like to know who is anti tourist fisherman and who is not so that I have the choice ahead of time of spending my hard earned money in their establishments. Thank you for your response.



Sincerely,


Now hers

Dear Mr. Gravett,

Thank you for your inquiry regarding a recent news article in the July 18 issue of the Mille Lacs Messenger. I stand behind my reporting, the use of the quote and the context in which it was used. Mr. Thurmer was not misquoted, nor taken out of context.

With that said, I understand the frustration facing many resorters. The tension level in the room that day was palpable. Sometimes, at many public meetings, people say things in the heat of the moment they wish they hadn't said. Should Mr. Thurmer have made that particular comment? That is not for me to say. But should I have reported it? Definately. It was said at a public meeting.

We, the staff at the Messenger, are discussing the possibility of doing a follow up article where Mr. Thurmer will have an opportunity to voice his concerns. Of course, there will also be an opportunity to hear from the DNR and tourists visiting public accesses.

Again, thank you for your inquiry. Please feel free to contact me any time should you have further questions or concerns,

Regards,

Vivian Clark


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Vivian Clark
Mille Lacs Messenger Staff Writer
320-676-3123

[gmerz]

There's more than one resort on Winnibigoshish that I use regularly that charges for launching. They actually charge a couple bucks less than Terry and they get the idea of added value. The dock is manned with high school and college kids who help launch your boat, shag bait, share current info and help you reload when your done. While I power load the kids man the winch and then jump in the truck to pull me out so I can keep putting stuff away. I'm glad to pay their fee and I always tip the lads. I never minded using Terry's but you're on your own there.

[EyeSlayer]

What was already posted? That's right, if they claim they were misquoted, it's because they stuck their foot in their mouth. The idea to claim that he was "misquoted" or "taken out of context" came directly from Terry's hired damage control specialist (i.e., his attorney). Why not take credit for what was said and apologize. I think it would have been better to explain the meeting was emotional to him and got a little heated and he stuck his foot in his mouth.

[Seaguar]

this reminds me of the movie Kingpin. "Goodbye Roy, Goodbye Whore."

This must be the 40-leventh time I`ve heard of someone complaining about non-locals 'stealing all their fish'. I usually use the line, The DNR giveth and the Thundering Herd taketh away.

[Koldfront Kraig]

>How to do this? The 'launch use' receipt could be used at the
>resort as a coupon for special offers on food/beverages at the
>restaurant/bar. Or, could be used for a discount on bait(1/2
>price bait,free box of worms,etc) on the customers next visit!
>
>
>Point is, people like coupons and discounts as rewards when
>they spend their money! The resorts owners should look closer
>at this concept if they want to compete with the public
>landings.
>
>My $.02


This would work great at any other resort that Terry's.

Ive been in there several times and its not your typical resort.

Other than using his boat access he cant offer anything most cusomers would want.



Maybe he could offer discounts or coupons for a cold shoulder, an upturned nose, an ornery look, a nasty sneer, a butt chewing...



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[KHedquist]

Another reason not to go there


Most of my money is spent on fishing, fishing tackle and boats, the rest is wasted:exactly:. moreyes <'{{^}}< :cheers:http://www.walleyecentral.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=106750

[PierBridge]

>You are naive Pierbridge. I have been in the news business
>for a long, long time and I can tell you every time someone
>puts there foot in their mouth they were misquoted. Bet the
>reporter has him on tape. But even if he is on tape you'll
>believe him and blame in on the media because you've been
>programed to do that by the people who benefit.
>
>rod bender bob


What are you talking about Bob?

[PierBridge]

Bob Oh.

Not sure what your talking about but you may want to pay attention or actually read what I posted.

[ebox]

Wow! I guess I fall into the prostitute category. I acutally figured that I had the same right to the Mille Lacs landings as I do to those on metro lakes. I guess I need to check ID's this Saturday at the Bald Eagle launch to make sure that no non-Hugo/White Bearites use MY lake and catch MY fish.
The funny thing is that on a recent trip to the big lake, the crew that I went with decided to get gas, bait, and food right where 169 hits the south end of the lake. We actually made a conscious decision to try to spend the money up there instead of down hear - it was also a convenient place to meet. I don't hate Terry or the rest of the resort owners, but I would guess that us citifolk pump a fair amount of dough into the local coffers each weekend from May through September. Its pretty dissappointing to hear the sentiment towards us.
Its a good thing for him that at least his resort will have to put up with at least one less prostitute this summer.

[Rick G.]

Very good post. Thank you.

Rg

[Prostitute]

I can never understand why people that live on an in land lake think that the wildlife that surrounds them is their property. No one human being owns any wildlife that is free roaming or in a lake. I also can not understand why business owners in these areas dont want any outsiders, it has been my experience having worked in a bait shop that local residents do not spend a whole lot of money in said shops. Most of the money here is generated from the weekenders/Prostitutes. Get a clue people, without prostitutes you would be out on your........! Lastly, the fish in Lake Erie are all mine so dont come here and take any. I live close to the lake so dont take my fish. Sounds as foolish as this original post.

Trent

[Question for the ML users]

Does the DNR sit at the boat ramp/s that they provide to check for illegal fish and or drunk boaters? It is just a question not to start a debate.

[Burr]

The DNR is frequently at one or several public access points on Mille Lac during high usage times - like weekends.

Primarily - they are there to inspect boats for invasive species, and to put an annual sticker on trailers.

I've been checked before launching, but never when I'm loading up. I've also never showed up at a public access drunk, either before or after fishing - so I'm not sure if they are watching for drunkeness.

But yeah - they are there quit a bit - more than any other lake in MN.

[Koldfront Kraig]

I have been checked when on the lake several times but not in the last 5 years or so.

Usually at the boat accesses are DNR employees but not law enforcement.


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[Question.......]

Thanks for the response. The reason that i have asked is because many times when fishing lake erie in Ohio waters the DNR will have a rep there to check for illegal fish and for intoxicated boaters. I have seen many people taken to the drunk tank from the ramp. I have also noticed that this has helped with over bag. Or at least it seams like it has, I do not hear the complaints about it as much, as we all know that idiots still do it. Is over limits a problem on this Lake?

[Burr]

I can't necessarily comment on overlimits - if they are a problem on Mille Lac or not. Statewide - I think the most common over limit situation that exists are boaters that go out and harvest a limit - more than 1 time per day.

On Mille Lac - there is a slot - and I'd suspect there's more slot violation than over limit violations.

I had one aquaintance (not friend) send me digital pics of his nice limit of Mille Lac Walleye. I embarassed him when my response was every one of those fish was illegal. His friends weren't educated, active fisherman - and probably were occasional participants that 'didn't know'. Them, and their children. I got the feeling his friends weren't too happy with him once they realized what really did happen.

I usually don't keep fish - so what the DNR does when you have some - ???

[billro]

It made the big city paper now!
StarTribune

http://www.startribune.com/531/story/1327443.html

[Dacotah Eye]

Wow, what a great example of "Open mouth and insert foot.". I would think this would be almost suicide for a business such as his. From some of the posts on here I think it just might be the case. :badidea:

[Sunshine]

Great Article. I enjoyed reading it.

Thanks

[hgmeyer]

Welll let's see.... Should I give Terry a "pass" or should I (a non-local) stick to my "he can stick it... I'll never darken his door again"... Eeeny... meeny... Nope... you can stick it Terry.

Your comments were the result of frustration, true... But, they were also borne from a (you have tried to keep it hidden) disrespect for the very people who are your customers... You deserve to be driven out of business so that someone with a real "customer service" attitude can replace you and do our sport (and the anglers) some good..

Terry, you do, I am sure deeply regret letting your true feelings out... But, the facts are there as plain as the upturned nose on your face, you hate us and love only our money... Well, you will find that we have decided you are not worth the time or effort it will take to ignore you... You will get none of my money and only my relegating you and your business (hopefulluy soon) to the dustbin of history.

[Burr]

Greg - you are a colorful character! LOL. Enjoyed reading your response.

[hgmeyer]

Burr,

Thank you! I have been called many things (most were "colorful" in their own right!), but I believe you are the first (probably the first ever complimentary...LOL) that I can think of to use the phrase directly... I am just thrilled you have not identified me as a body part... human or equine!

But, on a serious note... I am amazed that a number of resort/tourist business owners have the same attitude as this guy... Those that do are eventually "outed" just as this guy was... And, generally it was in many cases either suspected or openly known. Why would you remain in a business where all you did every day was to be confronted with dealing with people you hated?