Challenge of the federal Firearms Act

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Interesting news that the right to possess firearms is not an absolute fundamental right.

Bruce Montague’s constitutional challenge of the federal Firearms Act was dismissed in a ruling handed down Tuesday.
“It appears, even from the authorities relied upon by the defendant, that the Englishman’s right to possess firearms for defence, which Canadians inherited, was not an absolute right, but was one ‘as allowed by law,’” Justice John Wright said in his 10-page ruling. “It is clear that Parliament has always legislated to regulate that right and that this is not a fundamental right which is protected by the Charter.”

Here is link to article from Kenora News
http://www.kenoradailyminerandnews.com/News/352535.html

[MAc Attack]

....and people wonder why The Americans fought the English and King George in the American Revolution.

[prov1900 (unlogged)]

>....and people wonder why The Americans fought the English
>and King George in the American Revolution.

Good point, but is it really that different here...in the states? Crazy people, convicted felons, illegal aliens, drug users, and people convicted of domestic violence crimes cannot own/possess a firearm or ammunition.

Thank God!!!!

Got to love this country. Go USA!!!

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Here is a link to the article that works.
http://cgi.bowesonline.com/pedro.php?id=3&x=story&xid=352535

[Canadian Guy]

The people had several loaded guns in the house and were in direct contravention of our laws and good common sense. This is not tolerated in our country......

[AllenW]

>The people had several loaded guns in the house and were in
>direct contravention of our laws and good common sense. This
>is not tolerated in our country......
>


Just wondering what the "good common sense" part is?

Kinda hard to defend yourself with a unloaded gun, I'd think...

Al

[Canadian Guy]

Storing your guns in a locked cabinet and your ammunition in a seperate locked cabinet as is the law. Keeping your gun loaded under the bed is not good practice. The gun owners that I know started keeping their guns locked in gun safes long before it became law. The reason.... Kids and breakins. This was and continues to be a common problem. The last thing I want to contend with is a scared person who is looking for booze or drugs finding firearms not securely stored or my young nephew doing what kids do naturaly.

[AllenW]

Wasn't familiar with that Canadian law, so then it makes sense, although for us not so hampered, there's smaller gun safes that are designed to permit quick access and keep kids and crooks out, I still say it's hard to defend yourself if guns in one location and ammo's in another, guess it just depends on which side of the border you live on. :)

Thanks for the reply though.

Al

[Goldeneagle]

Hey Al, my only loaded gun is in my pocket. It's legal.

[AllenW]

>Hey Al, my only loaded gun is in my pocket. It's legal.

Couple ways to take that.....:)

Either way, owning a firearm is a big responsibility, be safe be sure.

Al

[Goldeneagle]

Heading to the range in a few minutes for an hour or so of continuing education.

Do you ever take in "Personal Defense TV"? Channel 606 on Directv, one episode, three times a week.

[AllenW]

>Heading to the range in a few minutes for an hour or so of
>continuing education.
>
>Do you ever take in "Personal Defense TV"? Channel 606 on
>Directv, one episode, three times a week.

If that was to me, I don't think we get that on the cable system I'm on (comcast).
We try to get as much range time as we can and try to take a yearly "Shall Carry" refresher course that the club we belong to offers.


Back on topic, it'll be interesting to see as crime increases if Canada stays as gun restrictive as it is, I only get to talk to few Canadians, but they're all for less restrictive laws, but they are all sportsman, so they would lean that way anyway normally, I'd think. ??

Al

[Goldeneagle]

Check:

outdoorchannel.com

There are several short videos of Personal Defense TV episodes. Pretty good stuff. Full 30 minute show is better.

[bigfish1965]

>>Heading to the range in a few minutes for an hour or so of
>>continuing education.
>>
>>Do you ever take in "Personal Defense TV"? Channel 606 on
>>Directv, one episode, three times a week.
>
>If that was to me, I don't think we get that on the cable
>system I'm on (comcast).
>We try to get as much range time as we can and try to take a
>yearly "Shall Carry" refresher course that the club we belong
>to offers.
>
>
>Back on topic, it'll be interesting to see as crime increases
>if Canada stays as gun restrictive as it is, I only get to
>talk to few Canadians, but they're all for less restrictive
>laws, but they are all sportsman, so they would lean that way
>anyway normally, I'd think. ??
>
>Al
>
>

Overall crime has dropped off in the last 30 years, but more serious criminal activity gets more press and attention because of all the ways to get info these days. Likely the same in the US.
We do have a much lower rate of gun crime and murder, but there's really no way to determine if it is because of gun laws or other factors.
I don't think our societal issues are vastly different than yours and we still have a very high guns per resident ratio. The gun issue opinion is sharply divided by the urban/rural boundaries.
Rural areas that don't see much crime and do see alot of hunting are against control while urban areas with crime and illegal gun activity are in favour of more controls. It's easier for politicians to make control laws sweeping rather than specific to the problem. This allows them to participate without having to really know anything.
We don't likely need more or less laws, just better enforcement of the ones we have.

[AllenW]

""""""""
We don't likely need more or less laws, just better enforcement of the ones we have.
""""""""

I think that's true on both sides of the border.

Crime may be down, I'm not sure where your at, but it seems what crime we see, seems to be more violent than years ago.

Not uncommon for a person to be beaten while being mugged, the lack of respect and responsibility aided by a lenient court system have made violent crime common place in many cases.

I shoot with LEO from time to time and had one tell me he figures it takes getting caught 4 times in many cases for a criminal to be caught breaking and entering before they do any time at all, that's 4 times a possible assault can happen....
Enforcement and incarcerating these criminals much sooner, we don't need to be sensitive to felon's.

Ya, I think once we belly up to the bar or meet on the lake, we ain't all that much different...:)

Just my thoughts...fwiw

Al

[phishfearme]

could someone please tell me why this subject is on a walleye fishing board?

[bigfish1965]

>""""""""
>We don't likely need more or less laws, just better
>enforcement of the ones we have.
>""""""""
>
>I think that's true on both sides of the border.
>
>Crime may be down, I'm not sure where your at, but it seems
>what crime we see, seems to be more violent than years ago.
>
>Not uncommon for a person to be beaten while being mugged, the
>lack of respect and responsibility aided by a lenient court
>system have made violent crime common place in many cases.
>
>I shoot with LEO from time to time and had one tell me he
>figures it takes getting caught 4 times in many cases for a
>criminal to be caught breaking and entering before they do any
>time at all, that's 4 times a possible assault can happen....
>Enforcement and incarcerating these criminals much sooner, we
>don't need to be sensitive to felon's.
>
>Ya, I think once we belly up to the bar or meet on the lake,
>we ain't all that much different...:)
>
>Just my thoughts...fwiw
>
>Al
>
>
>
I really haven't seen any stats that show an increase in crime rates on either side of the border. I really do think it is all about coverage and sensationalizing. There are just so many ways to see violent crimes captured on tape and all over the internet that nearly anything that happens is viewed by the public.
Depending on the situation, both sides use crime and examples of it to support their position. The trouble is for each example of high control/low crime you can find an example of low control/low crime.
Canada's gun laws are by no means the strictest. Certain assault rifles are banned, hand guns are restricted and hunting rifles/shotguns used to be registered. Our storage laws are strict because way to many idiots were leaving guns where kids could get them and getting injured or killed because of it.But since the storage laws came into effect, there have been very few accidental domestic shootings.
Anyone passing a safety course and background check can get themselves a gun here. Not really that hard to do.

[Joe Elude]

Don't look now but I beleive yer on the Canada board.

[phishfearme]

the canada board of WALLEYE CENTRAL

[Trailerguy]

[font color=green size=3][b] This is the first time a post went off subject in your recollection? Or what?

Wish'in I was fish'in on Wabby