Muskies Inc/Mehsikomer Post

[Adman]

Hey Gang,

If the great people at Muskies Inc, wish to re post the one about Bob's speaking engagement, please feel free to do so. That post was removed as it went straight into the toilet, real fast. It was not my intent to remove the original post, but it happened and I apologize.

Once again, please do not make faceless alligations, and avoid the name calling, especially the last annonymous user that went waaaaay over the top.

If you have questions and want rumors verified fine. But do not bash, name call or falsely accuse based on a rumor, or use language that'd make a drunken longshoreman drop his jaw.

It is our sincere goal to make this a welcome site for all muskie fanatics and casual anglers alike. Even the kiddies, they read this stuff too.

have fun...........R

[ToddM]

Ever wonder why guys like Bob M., Joe Bucher, Pete Maina and other well known musky guides don't show up on these boards anymore?

Because there are idiots who think it's cool to bring them down. You may not agree with everything they do and that's fine. There are positive ways of discussing that with them on these boards. These folks have a ton of knowledge that is no longer shred here. Hope your happy.

[Johnny B]

Sorry Todd M and others, but if they don't want to be here any more, then thats fine. these guys do it to them selves. the stuff Bob M, Pete M, ETC. say must tick people off or the wouldn't get attack. See the problem here is that some of these big named guys think that they are always right, no matter what they say. The everyone has their own opinion stuff, just doesn't quit cut it when you are a high profil guy. If they want to make statements, judgements, or pass on their beliefs, then they should darn well know by now that they are putting a target on them selves. if they want to talk fishing and give advice on stuff, they never get attacked. and to be totally honest here, i have tremendous amounts of respect for these guys, but when the bashing crap starts, i tend to be on the bashers sides. not with their style of delivery, but the opinion they are expressing.

John Bohne

[PWaldow123]

I totally disagree!!! Those guys have done everything that they can to advance the sport and are always being bashed. They have not brought it upon themselves. I have seen many of the posts bashing these guys and it is totally uncalled for. They have never attacked anyone, or posted anything negative. Please direct your anger elsewhere, as some of us enjoy reading there posts and actually learning something.

Paul
PWaldow123@aol.com

[ToddM]

Like I said in my original post, it's fine to disagree. Just do it in a manner which stimulates discussion and friendly debate. You can't learn where somebody is coming from and understand their ideas when you attack them. Now they are gone. That got us nowhere.

[MuskyGal]

I also think it is shameful how some of the pro's have been treated on musky boards.

Here these guys have lots of wonderful information that they may share with us that don't have their experience and they have often been attacked for their opinions.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions including the pros. It seems like if they happen to have a different opinion about an issue, they are open for some of the worst replies I have ever seen. If anyone tries to be supportive of them, then they get personally attacked also.

The bashing has been atrocious at best and there have been periods of time that I didn't even frequent the boards because it was just too disgusting what was going on.

I believe that there is quite a bit of jealousy of these guys, that they get to fish all the time, they know alot, and some guys, especially the cowards that post anonymously, just want to vent their jealousy by "bashing" them for everything from personal appearance to just plain nasty insults.

No wonder this world is in such a mess,just take this as an example that people on musky boards can be so nasty to each other and not allow another's opinion to be stated without attacking them. Just think how they treat everyone else in day to day situations. The bashers are intolerant, arrogant,nasty,cowardly that they don't even have the guts to post their name.

This is my opinion and I could care less if I get some nasty responses from the "Bashers". They certainly are not going to affect my life, even if they say they want to meet me in a parking lot to beat the S**T out of me because my opinion differs from theirs.

[RW]

I read all the posts except the "nasty" one, what was the extent of the bashing till then? Bob M wasn't bashed...

[Adman]

Hey RW,

You missed a dandy couple of posts. Bob Mehsikomer didn't get bashed in any of the posts. However, Jason Smith, and a few others were getting rubbed fairly well. Then "the" post came in. From an annonymous user. Suffice it to say it made me do a double take!! It all went down hill from there. I happened across these posts a few minutes after they were posted, and went to yank them right away.

However, as I said in the post above, it was not my intent to remove the whole thread, or the original post from Muskies Inc. Unfortunately, with computers, you sometimes cannot "Take Back" a keystroke. I goofed, clicked the wrong thing, and poof! Cyberdust.

Muskies Inc is more than welcome to re post the information about Bob's upcoming event. Again I apologize for the error.

Have fun........R

[Jim McCullough]

Guys,

It's not about disagreeing with the Pro's. It's about taking cheap shots when you don't have the cajones to sign your name. I remember a lot of the stuff that Bob and Pete had to put up with. Stuff about their appearance, their credibility, and the way they run their lives. This had absolutely nothing to do with Muskie Fishing and had no business being on a public board. Especially since it was anonymous. These guys know how to catch Muskies. Period. I, for one, don't care about the other stuff, as long as they can teach me to be a better fisherman. They both took critical questions about their fishing theory's well, it was the personal stuff that drove them off the boards. The majority of that was pure and simple JEALOUSY.

[HUNTER51]

Bob did come to the North Metro Musky Inc meeting and gave a very informative talk. One thing i reailize about these pros they spend alot more time on the water then I can,and so they have more time to perfect there approach. We can all learn from someone even if we dont agree.Ive fished with a few pros in my life and have yet not learned something.

George

[HerbB]

Jim,

Has anyone ever thought of starting a Muskie board without anonymous posts? That is, only registered members could post. Seems that might slow down some of the negativism a little.

Herb

[Adman]

Hey Herb,

We have talked at length (Scott and I) about using a fully registered forum. However, facts are, as soon as sites go mandatory registration, their popularity drops and the quality of the contnet suffers.

We instead chose to add more moderators. More eyes on the board means less of the garbage gets through.

There are always going to be people who post garbage and attacks, even in a registered forum.That, I guess, is a sad face of human nature.

Oh well, thanks for the input and have fun.........R

[RW]

Adman,

Thanks, I guess it would of been interesting.... kept a printed copy up till Sparky...

oh well...

I agree with Herb B,, it would also stop the game playing by various people

Ricky

[AWH]

I believe MHM went to that format, of having to register in order to post, did they not? I'm pretty sure that's the case now. That could also be why they don't see the traffic that they used to see.

[Don Pfeiffer]

Hate to see the bashing and name calling, Have been at the end of some it that I did appreciate. The guys like pete and pete and bob certainly have good information to pass on to us. What we do with it is our choice.
I certainly have not agreed pete on the size limit thing and have expressed it but I respect his thoughts and hope he does mine. These guys are where they are because they have worked at it, I give them their due respect.
Lot to learn here from them and hope they post often.
Don Pfeiffer

[Jason Smith]

Don hit the nail on the head.

There is no need to bash anyone, its only a muskie, a simple muskie. We love the sport and want to learn more about it, thats why muskie internet sites are out there to offer information for your learning. I missed all what happened yesterday afternoon, and its a good thing. These sites are not about personal feelings, its only info. I see Muskie Central is on top of there game and corrected the problem.

Just remember if you want info out of folks, just be nice and they will give you all the learning you want to know. Its simple and fun.

Pete and Dick Person etc had a lot to offer us on a daily basis, but we had to pull multiple posts on this site back then and people went so far as to bashing them in emails. Thats not good. Now young Jonney who wants to learn more about muskie fishing cant ask Pete a question except at a sport show.

The internet should be a fun place to learn more about our favorite sport.

[happy hooker]

I was at the Bob M presentation at the north metro, when asked how good a year hes had he said it was a lot tougher then normal,,,that dosent sound like someone with a huge ego to me.

[HerbB]

Just my opinion, but I think its easy to take Muskie fishing a little to seriously at times. What is the difference if a pro has a different opinion than a weekend warrior? Everyone has an opinion on various topics. I'd be a pro if I could. Only problem is there is this thing called eating that is real important to me and my family, so I think I'll stick with my day job.:-)

If these pros can make a living by guiding, fishing, and making lures, more power to them.

I agree with many of the people here that the pros have a lot of valuable info they could share - like how to use many of the lures they sell. Many of the lures sold these days have no instructions with them. How to use some lures are obvious, but some are not. A short paragraph on the back of the package or on a one page paper inserted with the lure would be very helpful. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has bought a new lure, sharpened the hooks, and then spent a half hour or more figuring out how to work it properly.:-)

Just my two cents.

Herb

[RW]

IT NEVER WAS ABOUT BOB....

[Ballistic]

Hey, RW..

Ease up, sir. It is time to drop the whole thing. Life is too short for so silly a grudge, lets just talk muskies and get along! It is off the board, and will stay off, I will bet.

I was the editor of this site for a long time, and can tell you it is a thankless job at times. What folks need to realize is that the people you see moderating this board are doing so for NO PAY. It is a volunteer service, and can be pretty stressful at times.

I now am a partner in an Electronic Media group, and still frequent both this and Musky Hunter's boards to see what is new. That is the way it should be! I know Jim, Ralph, and Mr. Long will be visiting us at MuskieFIRST and Jim and Steve at Musky Hunter. If EVERYONE did so, it would be good for all the sites, and for the exchange of information, too. Muskies 101 could teach us a thing or two, also. Ty and Laura are working hard to improve and update content there every week.

A news flash for some of you... Web Sites and Message boards do not compete with each other to cause the other's traffic to drop. It is good for everyone for the Muskie Boards to ALL be busy. The competition comes in the advertising arena, like magazines compete. If you look at the ads on the four major sites, there is not much to be all shook up over.

Bashing is an unfortunate product of being able to say rude, insensitive, mean, or plain vulgar things at a distance, and even under the shroud of annonimity. We all do our best to keep the nasties off the board, and policies at all the sites are modfying as the net gets more popular.

The rule I would love everyone to use to self police is...Would I say what I just typed out to the person personally, in a crowded room where everyone is listening, and LOOKING at me? If not, don't post it.

[HUNTER3897]

Sage advice Steve. As I said on MuskieFirst, it's good to have you guys back up! :)

Jim McCullough

[john skarie]

What was said by muskies inc., or I guess what I'm wondering is who posted as muskies inc.

I never saw the deleted stuff so I'm just curious.

JS

[fishpoop]

I also missed the original post,so am also courious as to what was said about Muskies Inc.

I don't blame alot of the "Pros" for not posting on these sites anymore. I'm basically a "nobody" in the muskie world. Not well known by the masses. I have posted on these sites off and on for a few years now and I have run into the rude people who think that they or their opinions are better than everyone else. It sure torqued me off the first time it happened to me. Still does. I can only imagine how it must make someone feel to be in the public eye on a daily basis trying to make a living and help others with their fishing and get the crap that I have seen posted on the message boards. A few bad apples spoil it for everyone.

That being said, I have to say that the moderators of all the sites do one heck of a great job in policing the boards. I think that we all should give them a round of applause!!

As is usual, it seems that we always hear the bad news about everything. I would like to relate some of my own experiences with the people that I have personally met because of the Muskie websites.

I have been fortunent to meet Jim McCullough,Steve Worrell,Perry Smith,Dick Pearson,Ty Sennett,Laura Morrison, Dan Dean,Rob Kim,and more if I had time to think of all of them. (I apologise if I misspelled anyones name.) These are all great people who have befriended me, whom I would never have met if it wasn't for these message boards. I hope that they don't mind my mentioning them by name.

As some of you may know,my wife was diagnosed with brain cancer last December,(by the way she is doing real good for now and is even back to work part time and bugging me to go fishing.) The reason that I mention this here is, during the Mn. Muskie Expo this past March I went with a long time friend. We were going up and down the aisles of the show and I couldn't go more than 5 feet without someone stopping me and asking how she and I was doing. The outpouring of love and support was incredible. After a short while, my friend turned to me and said,"Darn you know everyone here at the show." Not true, but it sure seemed like it. It made my day and helped me bear the burden. This occurred because of the the message boards. That is the positive power of these boards.

Another instance: I helped organize the benefit fund raiser for fellow chapter member Smokey Swenson last fall. Smokey had a stroke and a heart attack and being self employeed he didn't have health insureance. We got on the message boards and asked for donations and
for people to attend the fund raiser. The great people who run and post on all the boards responded with great support and we were able to raise over $15,000. for Smokey.

I guess my point in all of this is, we hear about the bashing all the time. But someone needs to point out how positive these boards can be.I for one am Darn glad that they are here for all of us to use.

[KidDerringer]

BOB Rock's when it come to them Muskie?
:)
Sure would like to fish with him "LIVE" one time.
Been and fan a long time and fishing with him in me brains while watching them TV shows in Late winter, early spring.
Good stuff.
Really have learned a lot from his shows over the years way back to "Thunder on the Water!"
LOL

FishPoop.
You and I should hook up sometime to just hang and maybe try to boat a few fish.
Split a few sandwiches and just relax!
Make you famous on our web page!
:)
Good things happen to good people.
Keep smiling and never give up.
:)

Some people are just mean or Jealous!
Have to much time on there hands at work or just like to see others Bake!
LOL
Best to just sort of roll with the flow and dip and glide as them punches come our way.
I been a mess off and on for the last 10 months.
Lost my best friend of 40 years last July 5th.
BIG money full time job went the way side July 31st.
Since then I have been on a rollercoaster.
Just get feeling good and WHAM!
Smacked in the kisser again with taste of reality.
Six people, some family, some very close friends have passed in the last TEN months.
Still sober and still smiling.
Thanks to the hounds, my Bonnie and Mother, a bunch O good friends, in person and on-line and the higher power that controls it all.
:)
Let's all try to get along.
It's just fish'en man.
It's just fish'en.

Keep on Rock'en!


T.

[Musky Mike]

Have never fished with any of the pros or the moderators of these musky boards....just my bad luck! Have spoken with several of them at expos and seminars and through postings on these musky boards and personal e-mails. Everyone has been exactly what they're billed as, "pros." They've been polite, knowledgeable, well informed, and even more note worthy - most willing to share their knowledge and expertise with an unknown musky fisherman (me) trying to further his own on-the-water abilities. That says all that needs to be said of these individuals to my way of thinking. And launching anonymous personal attacks against them, certainly speaks just as loud as to a lack of character by the offenders. I just disregard the opinions of the bashers as quickly as I read them (in full or in part - I seldom even make it to the end of the disrespectful postings).

Mike Kagel