Why is it ok to spend your money up in Canada while at the same time I see referances to not buy Japanese merchandise. Both of them are foreign countries. Why pick on the Japs and not the Canucks?

I don't see any difference either, that's why I take my Japanese fishing reels to Canada with me.

We trade with a lot of countries and still have a pretty high standard of living here-the highest in the world by some estimates. I don't buy the argument that buying "foreign" goods is exporting jobs. There is a benefit also, lower cost goods for us as consumers.

Roy

amen brother!!!

Nothing makes me more mad than seeing American companies make items in countries like China, where labor is dirt cheap, and charging what american companies charge which pay fair labor wages.for example;

North Face Gore-tex Jacket, $350.00, Made in China. These jackets were cheaper to buy when they were made here, before they were trendy.

What is up with that?

I guess that is why we choose.

I totally disagree with people that think not buying american doesn't matter. American people spend money here, and pay taxes here.

I always try to buy American, every little bit helps.

JS

I try to do the same. However, is it ok to buy Canadian or English, but not Japanese. After all, they look just like us and are backing us in the war? Where do we draw the line?

I fish Canda for many good reasons .
#1 The exchange rate helps out for a cheap vacation.
#2 The people up there are super nice and friendly.
#3 The beer taste much better
#4 The unspoiled waters and surroundings.
The list keeps going , on and on .

That ice sure is thick this year

Mike

I will play the devil's advocate ( I like Canada and married a foreignor and have relatives in Canada)with a ticklish subject. Do you purchase Japanese stuff or not? If not - why not? Is it because Canadians look kind of like us that it's ok to go there and spend your money? Or how about this...Do you go to the far west in Canada and stay at resorts owned by the Japanese? Or what if a Japanese guy bought a resort on Georgia Bay - would it make a difference in terms of patronage? Tell the truth!!!

Roy, that was funny!!! AMEN!!!!!!

When was the last time the Canadians pulled a sneak attack on the US (besides allowing Celine Dion to release records here)?

I purchase any product I feel is a good value for my dollar. We all work hard for our money and want a product that's going to last and perform well. I drive a toyota truck ,my boat is powered by a Yamaha I use calcutta reels with my st criox rods. I don't feel bad for anyone who makes a inferior product and says buy this American made product. We as Americans make some of the finest products in the world ,but we make some pretty crappie products as well.

Do I feel Guilty for buying a Japanese product over an American product ? Nope

You'll have to earn my buissness.

Damm that ice shore is thick this year

Mike Kopp

I'm not trying to promote more Americans to visit here.The less fishing pressure coming up here the better for me personally.However it seems the majority of lodge owners are now americans....so arn't you in fact supporting your own economy?....Not really to many benefits for Canadians in having you is there?

I fish in Canada. The lodge is owned by people from Ohio. The credit card I put the bill on is from Mass. I buy my fuel in Wis. and Min. along with all my lures and food, except for fresh produce. In Canada, I buy a license, bait, and breakfast. I also end up contributing a small amount to their taxes.
I probably contribute less to Canada's economy than you contribute to Japan's economy when you take the family to see a movie produced by a Japanese owned company. You drive in a car that has computer components from all over the world, tires made of a substance that I'm pretty sure isn't native to the U.S., and filled with gas and oil that more than likely is foreign. Your wife is probably wearing a lovely diamond ring that isn't mined in the U.S. while wearing shoes that have about a 1 in 100 chance of being American made.

When it comes to Canada, we are basically talking about a people who are on a relatively level playing field with us. They don't have cheap labor, they aren't keeping our products out, and they aren't stealing our companies. When people complainabout other countries, it should be because of the cheap labor or lax pollution standards, not because of race or previous wars. If those are good reasons, better make sure you don't but things from below the Mason Dixon Line, they fought a bloody war against us too!

Some very good points. However, I disagree that Canadians are on a level playing field with us. Go to Ontario. The people are paying 15% sales tax on everything, they have an abundance of gas and other natural resources and are paying more than we are for it. Food prices and everything else cost more along with lower salaries with money that does not have the value of US dollars. Houses (generally speaking) do not provide the people with the same tax incentives that our's do. Pensions are not as good. They do have national health insurance that costs less than ours. However, if you are a Canadian
and come to the US - you do not have health insurance unless you get supplemental coverage from a private health insurance company. If we go there, our health insurance does cover us. On top of that, have you ever bought fishing equipment there or any other sporting goods? The prices are out of sight. When my relatives visit, it's always quite interesting to see them go to US stores and buy (Japanese made, but US owned) tennis shoes, etc. They have traded in their Canadian money (at a loss) for US bucks and are perfectly willing to spend their money here because, even then, they save money.

Yep, Canada is a beautiful place and I like the people (especially you Muskie guys/gals). However, the people are getting ripped off (I can only speak for Ontario because I've never been anywhere else there) by their government and do not share the same standard of living for the same amount of money that we do. Thanks-Tom

Remember...fish don't live in ugly places!

I have never understood what a "level playing field" is. There are a lot of issues with taxes, subsidies, price protection, labor costs, etc., but in the end, the consumer decides (in this country) whether to buy a foreign or domestic product. Other countries may subsidize some of their products to make them cheaper for export, but that money comes from higher taxes, so at least some of it is likely to be passed on to their products. It's all a complicated game of politics and economics.

As for "standards of living", I worked in Canada, with Canadians, for a while, and I definitely have a higher "standard of living" in the U.S. by my "standards", than what they have in Canada. However, many of them felt that they have a higher "standard" there. It all depends on your "standard". Many, probably most, Canadians prefer their higher level of socialism. Most Americans probably do not.

As for buying American, I work for an air conditioning manufacturer, and air conditioning equipment is an industry that is a net exporter for the U.S. When you advocate "Buy American", you are also advocating American job losses in this industry, and others that export products.

I have traveled to many countries around the world, and our standard of living (by my standards) is higher than anywhere else by a significant margin. How can this be, in spite of our trade "deficit"? I have observed that, on average, American workers are better educated, better trained, and most importantly, more ambitious than workers anywhere else in the world. Developing nations just don't have the skilled workers, and developed nations just don't have the ambition. In Europe, 40 hours of work per week is considered excessive, and 4 weeks paid vacation is the norm. My European colleagues can't understand why we work so "hard". Oddly enough, they don't understand that that is why we are also more successful.

Roy

The original question was " Why fish in Canada? " and the answer is easy we have better fishing. All the rest ( nice people, exchange, virgin waters ect. ect. ) is just gravy. :+

P.S. Over 95% of my business is coming from American clients but I can also say the majority of my expenses ( lures, reels, nets, electronics, internet provider, mag ads ect. ect. ) are done in US dollars.

Keep releasing them all
Richard Collin
http://www.trophymuskiecharters.com

I think post,s like these are a real waste of time and effort. Any one from the US that has been to Canada has probably had a time of their life Fishing or Camping and i feel the feeling is mutual when we go to Florida for a couple of weeks. Being a Musky Nut and fishing all kind of waters, i get to meet a lot of Americans on the water and i for one treat them as a neighbour down the street, not a foriner.
On 9/11 where did all the planes land and how where all the passengers treated ( Like Familly ). Do your homework. And if you feel that strongly ...STAY HOME....

STUPIDITY PISSSSS ME OFF

Thanks for your input. What people express is never a waste of time, even if you don't agree with it.

As a famous American patriot said during the war of 1812(not exactly in these words, but the meaning is the same)...I may not agree with you, but I will fight to my death that you may be allowed to say it!!!

FYI: I've been to Canada a lot. I've fished there, spent my money there, and visit my relatives there. Kind of like being at home.

Remember...fish don't live in ugly places!

Canadian:

B_ugly is one of those passing breezes that passes over the cesspool and passes on. So far, his posts seem to be mostly negative and designed to foment ill will. People certainly have a right, within limit, to say what they want. We also have the right to ignore these types of posts. I personally will ignore B_ugly's posts until he grows up. Maybe he'll just go away.

Canada 5

U.S.A 2

you guys lost.

Buggly-You are now banned from my beautiful country-the same country that backed you up in the last gulf war and Afganistan-the same country that fought by your side in WW2-the same country that went in and rescued some of your fellow countrymen who were kidnapped by Iranian terrorists in 1980-the same country that continued to cheer the American Anthem at sporting events in spite of the complete opposite during that political stupidity last year.You get my drift Buggly.You also pissed off Dick.Good luck on the other boards because on this one your "name" is tainted.
-A Proud Canadian-neighbor of one of the two best countries in the world.

personally, i fish in canada because the women! i love meeting canadian women. they are nicer the american woman and much more polite. not to mention you can get more for your US DOLLARS.

Why do you fish here? Because we have the greatest musky fishing in the world....

Well, I was taught by my econ profs in college that we don't have free trade with Japan. We sell a lot of their stuff, but they don't sell ours. Thus by purchasing Japanese products, we are sending billions of dollars to a foreign economy, and are making some guy rich that is half way around the world.

Now Canada, have much more favorable trade with Canada.

Besides. I'll put my F150 up against any Japanese truck-(the Tundra is a smaller copy of the F150 anyways)!

well i'm one ##### of a proud canadian. i like talking to my US neighbours, they have some great stories and are usually very nice. you fish up here for the same reasons we fish down there....GREAT fishing. besides why should you be complaining? you get more for your money. i agree with the buying quality stuff, doesnt matter where its from as long as its quality... what i dont understand is how can you not love canada? untouched wilderness, canadian women, its cheap.... what more would you want? besides... about all those resources...we sell them to you (eg corn...just an example) then you turn them into something secondary (corn chips) and sell them back to us. canada rocks....

I will never go back to Canada, yes there a great neighbor, but there fishing isnt that great, I can catch just as many, and as big of fish here at home, yes about the only thing I do like about Canada is there scenery. Other than that, I will never go back to that place.

Laterrrrrrrrrrrr

Because as an Americans we have fought for the freedoms to do as we da** well please. We travel at are own risks, buy what we want, and all the other rights we have. Buy American? Only if it's the best value for my buck. This is true freedom, to have that choice, and nobody's going to tell me jack or question my patriotism when I exerice my choice for Canadian, Japanese, or American or anything else.

Such a narrow scope of the world...or a seed to generate some lively discussion?

As a Canadian, I really don't see a big difference between our two countries any more. If Canada shared this narrow-minded view of the world, maybe we should be keeping American interests out to protect our identity. That's hardly the case except with some disgruntled anglers who complain about Americans taking all our fish :)

My experiences with Americans here and on my frequent visits to the US have always been positive. Sometimes you run into the odd individual or circumstance that isn't, but that'll happen anywhere. I have many neighbors here who are American; my Canadian friends winter in Arizona, Texas and Florida. I think in the end it all balances out.

Let's keep the border and our minds open, huh?

Remember, walleye season is around the corner! I'll be looking forward to meeting some of you this summer at the lake for great fun and conversation...and a few beers, EH?.

Cheers!

Other than a few guys walking around with Turbans and swords on (in Ontario), I see no difference either. Great country and people.




Remember...fish don't live in ugly places!

We do have to suffer with Celion Dion, but remember they also gave us SHANIA TWAIN!!!!

So we can throw snow balls at you!:+