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[Ripley]

Saw this on another site-

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Subject: Fwd: Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban

On 1/18/02 at 8:44 AM Jeff Toboyek
wrote: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

For more information, contact: Dave Zien, (608) 266-7511

Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban
Pump Shotguns and Most Other Firearms Banned

Virtually every gun used to hunt in Wisconsin would be illegal to use under a bill authored by Senator Jim Baumgart at the request Attorney General Jim Doyle. The supposed terrorism legislation would outlaw the use of any pump, lever or bolt action rifle or shotgun as well as any revolver or semi-automatic firearm for hunting, self-defense or target practice.

In fact, only single-shot firearms, less than one-percent of all firearms, could be used by anyone except law enforcement and the military. Anyone using a firearm that holds more than one bullet or even owning a single bullet would be guilty of a Felony.

If Baumgart and Doyle get their way, every hunter in Wisconsin would be an instant criminal, facing prison and a lifetime loss of voting rights, said state Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton).

Reloading your own shotgun shells could send you to prison for 15-years.

Rather than ban firearms outright, Doyle and Baumgart ban all types of ammunition by defining the bullet as both a destructive device and an explosive, the gunpowder as an explosive and even the tiny primer that ignites every bullet is specifically called a detonator.

Owning, possessing or using any of these items would be a felony offense, unless the citizens could prove they were only for use in firearms that are designed to shoot no more than one shot without manual reloading (i.e. single shot firearms).

Can you imagine a Wisconsin elected official outlawing the use every pump shotgun and labeling every duck hunter a terrorist? asked Zien.
Maybe the Attorney General should concentrate on the real terrorists and leave law-abiding gun owners alone.

The bill even goes as far as allowing photographs of a person with banned material to be used as evidence of a crime. This will make the picture of a hunter with her Remington 870 and a trophy buck evidence of terrorist activity, said Zien.

In 1998, Wisconsin voters amended the state Constitution to protect the right of law-abiding citizens to posses and use firearms. Because the Constitution prevents Doyle from banning the gun, the only way he can deny hunters the use of their guns is to ban the ammunition.

It is no wonder people are cynical about their government, said Zien, author of Wisconsin’s Right to Keep and Bear Arms. When the attorney charged with upholding our Constitution deliberately tries to thwart that Constitution and deny the will of the people, it gives all public servants a bad name.

Information on the Attorney General’s website describing the points of Doyle’s Anti-Terrorism Legislative Package mentions nothing about the gun ban provisions. Zien noted the information distributed to legislators also mentioned nothing about the bans. Doyle can only propose the language to legislators.

The legislative author (Baumgart) takes whatever he chooses from Doyle’s draft and introduces his own bill.

Baumgart likewise mentions nothing about the bans in his memo to legislators asking them to join as cosponsors of his bill.

Jeff Toboyek
Director of Party Development and Field Operations
Republican Party of Wisconsin
Office: (608) 257-4765
Cell: (608) 358-0811
toboyek@wisgop.org

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[Cangl]

Hey Hey Hey, looks like the only people that will have the "rights" to own a gun would be criminals and now terrorists?

[The man on the grassy knoll]

Ban on every gun? First, consider the source of this 'information'. Then look at the FACTS!

This year, 2002, Wisconsin will elect a new governor. Our current governor-by-default (i.e. never elected) has found himself stuck in a $1B deficit that he blames on 9/11, rather than the fiscal mismanagement of his predecessor. The press relese you have posted is from the Director of Party Development and Field Operations of the Republican Party of Wisconsin. I'm sure they didn't intend this release to have any 'political' intentions, did they? Oh yes, I forgot to mention that the release blames this 'ban' on a certain Mr. Doyle, who, coincidentally will be running against our esteemed unelected governor.

>>"If Baumgart and Doyle get their way, every hunter in Wisconsin would be an instant criminal, facing prison and a lifetime loss of voting rights, said state Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton)."

Well, Mr. Zien, the truth is that a person in Wisconsin who has served their sentence has their voting rights restored. Of course, we can't expect our lawmakers to actually know or understand the law, can we?

WI Senate Bill 363 does not ban pump shotguns or hunting. See for your self at: http://folio.legis.state.wi.us/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=79669&infobase=bills01.nfo&jump=sb363&softpage=Document#JUMPDEST_sb363

Search the page for "pump", "shotgun", or "hunt" anywhere on the page. You will not find it. The prohibitions in this bill are related to weapons of mass destruction (by terrorists) and are inapplicable to otherwise lawful activities related to fireworks, pesticides, ammunition for firearms, and explosives used in medicines.

Scott, please don't be taken in by people looking for political gain. Please delete this post.

Veritas

[ufda]

"The Man on the Grassy Knoll" is right. I read the bill and it clearly states "The prohibitions are also inapplicable to otherwise lawful activities related to fireworks, pesticides, ammunition for firearms, and explosives used in medicines." However, in reading it I also come to the conclusion that everything there is already in codified criminal law. Therefore it seems like another "protector" getting some mileage out of how concerned they are in "protecting you, the public, from terrorist threats."
BTW your handle is disgusting! Who would want to be identified as the missing assassin in the death of a president?

[outdoor fanatic]

I'm not sure, but I believe that a person convicted of a felony does not get their voting rights restored. Not that that is a vital part of your argument, just a point of clarification. I believe if they would just enforce the laws that they have on the books, that would be plenty. It always amazes me how legislators pile on laws after laws yet the ones on the books aren't even enforced. It's a lot like running a business. I buy a years worth of items to sell and just keep stocking those items year after year yet never sell anything. I guess that's why the government would be doing a KMart if it were a business.

[Political motivations or not]

This bill seems like just another useless feel good law. And as to political motivations, what do you think the bill is in the first place? Democratic/liberal grandstanding, just as the post is Republican Grandstanding. If your gonna point fingers look in the mirror too!!!!!!!!

[Capt. Doug Schreiber]

I received the actual wording of this bill and the bottom line is that it basically states ( in lawyer words ) that any ammunition for a gun that is more than single shot would be illegal. And the materials to manufacture or reload your own would be too. It also states a weapon that is capable of more than one shot without manual reloading would also be illegal. The wording of this bill originated from the Attorney Generals office of Wisconsin and tacked on the end of an anti-terrorist bill. Open your eyes and keep them open, we do have enemies in high places. And yes, he is running for governor. Doug