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marcnsaugeyes
12-10-2004, 03:38 PM
The grapevine is great, not always accurate but great. The newest rumor out there is that Gander Mountain is going to come out with their own Walleye National Team Championship. I thought I'd post what I'd like to see in a WNTC, and if you think about it also post your feeling and what you'd like to see and maybe they will take some suggestions if they decide to host one in the future.
First I believe Cabela's had the right idea of qualifying entrants from local organizations. This is the roots of all tournament anglers. Offer two or three spots to every organization out there that is interested for thier top teams. Divide it only same ammount of places goes to all the organization. So what if you have 200 team on one circuit and 20 on another only take the top teams. Make it something your really have to compete for.
Hold it on Neutral water. There are enough walleye/saugeye lakes out there with no local organization within 200 miles or so to hold events for the next 15 or more years. For walleye tournament angling as a whole to progress we have to get more areas interested. If I'm not mistaking Indiana has quite a few "eye" lakes but lacks clubs and circuits covering the state. How about Kentucky and Tennessee? Cumberland has a bounty of large eyes and is one of several large lakes in Ky. Center Hill, Old Hickory (25pounder) and Dale Hollow the most well know Smallmouth but a fantastic Walleye Lake are a few in Tenn.
Hosting a NTC on a neutral Lake puts all contestants on a level playing field, and at the same time promotes walleye angling and Gander Mountain or any host in a new area. Announce the next years event during the banquet at the championship. You won't have to put out a press, because the anglers at the event will do it for you. It will hit the internet most likely before the banquet is over. Everything will be in place and anglers know when to expect it. You'll get more positive feed back this way.
If a boat manufacturer wants to give a way a boat, make sure it's two boats. One for each of the two anglers from the winning team no matter if they own one of your boats or not. None of that "You can only win a Ranger if you already own a Ranger or get a second one if you already own one." crap. I always thought they were top of the line not only as a manufacturere but in their ethics until last years Cabela's event. It those of us who slave in lower paying jobs just to support our families and hopefully have enough to fish a few events and take our vacation for a national who come and fish these. Great for those who can afford a $40,000 boat, they have theirs. But we have looked forward to a chance at a new boat just like them, and then to rub it in that we are 2nd class citizens so we can't compete for one just really rubbed me wrong.
There's more I'd like to see but that should be a start. I'm driving a semi-across country and only have time to get this post started. Help me out and reply, let's tell these large event organizers what the anglers want to see in a National Tournament.

Decay
12-10-2004, 05:22 PM
I agree with you completely. I qualified for the cabelas ntc this year but if I don't get the date & location with in a week I will not attend. Some of us need to make plans for vacation time & other tournament commitments. A new team championship should let the contestants know where and when they will be fishing befor the end of the year.
DM

hgmeyer
12-10-2004, 09:26 PM
Interesting rumor about Gander Mountain... Because, Gander is a name sponsor of the GNWC with Skeeter Boats... The GNWC has a National Championship and draws from the Great Plains to New York, so it is pretty close to a large national base. As the GNWC grows ( and I believe that it will) it should/would fulfill any desire by Gander for "National" exposure. So, I am betting that this rumor is not so much "baseless" as it is an "interpretation of the current situation with the GNWC and the plans of the GNWC to continue expanding....

Castaway
12-10-2004, 11:03 PM
The ranger boat deal really bothers me it seems like a form of discrimination.If they dont want to give non ranger owners the boat then give them the equivilant in cash because that is basically what they are doing anyway.Most ranger owners just sell the boat anyway.If your going to put a prize into a fishing contest it should go to the guy that catches the most fish.Same thing at qualifying tournaments to give the guy a nice prize or gift certificate because he has a ranger boat and caught one stinken fish and ended up way down the list bugs me.I am not trying to crack on ranger owners either because if I were lucky enough to win one I would most likly be selling my non ranger boat.

skipjackoh
12-11-2004, 04:53 AM
I have to agree with HG on this one.Fished the GNWC in Ohio
last year,the first year for this circuit in the buckeye state.
Over all it was well run and expect it to get better.Also fished the
national championship on LOWs and Rainy River,what a fisherie.
The winners each recieved a fully rigged Sketter boat no matter what
brand they were running.This year the winners will each get a boat,
plus a 3rd will given away on a random drawing to one of the contestants at the national.
As far as home waters go it will always be tough to find toatally
neutral waters.

retailor
12-11-2004, 09:43 AM
There is no way that gander mountain can put on a show like the Cabelas NTC. Gander will never make this kind of investment in their customers. CABELAS is the leader and CABELAS was able to develop an event of this scale when they had private ownership. Gander is trying to develop their name with numbers of poorly stocked stores and they will never be the household name that Cabelas has become. It is my opinion that Gander is doing a marginal job at best with their marketing and development.

Waltex
12-11-2004, 04:06 PM
I agree with this post on the Ranger issue completely! I really feel that Rangers arrogance harms them more than it helps them in the long run. I have heard as number of anglers say they would never buy a Ranger because of this policy of "eliteism." They make a very fine boat (would love to have one myself) but to alienate tournament anglers and potential buyers by arrogance sounds like a very poor way to do business to me. In my book, there should be "no" second class citizens in an amateur tournament!

well
12-11-2004, 06:27 PM
I wouldn't put much stock in Gander and the future (pun intended). They are really struggling financially, and I don't think they'll be around in the long term. Cabela's has staying power, and I'll put my stock in them....

Browner
12-11-2004, 06:49 PM
I would welcome more National Championship tournaments. I definitely
don't agree with Cabela's and the way they are running things. I own
a Ranger and still believe its wrong to not let the winners pull home
new boats. Plus the waiting to find out when and where is disgusting.

Fed up!!!

cool
12-11-2004, 06:59 PM
Well, if you're fed up, don't compete for the NTC. No one is twisting your arm.

cool
12-11-2004, 06:59 PM
Well, if you're fed up, don't compete for the NTC. No one is twisting your arm.

skip jack
12-12-2004, 06:53 AM
The original question had nothing to do with cabelas or gander mt,
but what type of team circuit you would want.The GNWC to me is as close to anything out there fullfilling the question that was asked.
You have 8 divisions,made up from ten states.The top 15 teams from each division go the national championship.The cost is reasonable,$210 per team,per event.The winning team gets 2 new
boats,regardless of what make there running now,plus there giving a third boat away in a random drawing at the nationals and all contestants are eligible for it.
Also the schedule is out for all events,including the championship.

skip jack
12-12-2004, 06:53 AM
The original question had nothing to do with cabelas or gander mt,
but what type of team circuit you would want.The GNWC to me is as close to anything out there fullfilling the question that was asked.
You have 8 divisions,made up from ten states.The top 15 teams from each division go the national championship.The cost is reasonable,$210 per team,per event.The winning team gets 2 new
boats,regardless of what make there running now,plus there giving a third boat away in a random drawing at the nationals and all contestants are eligible for it.
Also the schedule is out for all events,including the championship.

HLM
12-21-2004, 11:02 AM
What a great opportunity to maybe have some input. I personally have fished in several NTC's, my partner and I dreamed of chances of being in the right place at the right time. We both have full time jobs, families. Both of us kinda justify a week of vacation,x-amount of dollars? With a New Ranger boat or by being a top 25 finisher with rings. or even bringing home cash. One thing is for sure we love to fish competitively. The last NTC we fished our dreams were shifted back to reallity the night before the tourney started. Their would not be a Boat, or rings if we finished 1st to 25th position. I personally think most tournament competitors fellings were challenged. The NTC tournaments are made up with anglers with the passion my partner and I have.

Lilfish
12-22-2004, 10:44 AM
>There is no way that gander mountain can put on a show like
>the Cabelas NTC. Gander will never make this kind of
>investment in their customers. CABELAS is the leader and
>CABELAS was able to develop an event of this scale when they
>had private ownership. Gander is trying to develop their name
>with numbers of poorly stocked stores and they will never be
>the household name that Cabelas has become. It is my opinion
>that Gander is doing a marginal job at best with their
>marketing and development.


You don't know your facts.

Chris Bahl, when with Cabelas, created the NTC.

Guess who is now with Gander Mountain?

If the rumor is tue, expect it to be an event that Cabelas will not be able to top.

And never say never.

Have a nice day!