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WOW! I wonder if guy's like Rick Olson and Shanon Kehl got to sleep in those Rangers to get used to them? :) That would be different running your boat all year having everything placed where you want it, like your Electronics and Motors and then have to switch. I wonder if last night they got to test drive them and get familiar with the boat they would get to use?:)
wowww
09-30-2005, 04:07 PM
Wow. I didn't know they had to switch boats. That would be tough. For, me, it would really mess with my head.
Little things like. I never use cable steer trolling motors. If I had to switch to one at the championsip, I'd freek! I know my electronics inside and out, if I had to switch to a Garmin, I'd freek!
Hiatus
09-30-2005, 05:21 PM
Why the boat change?
(or where can I read about it?)
Fish_on
09-30-2005, 05:34 PM
All contestants fish out of provided Rangers on the final two days.
>Why the boat change?
>
>(or where can I read about it?)
It's just part of the FLW championship process. When they narrow down the field, they make the change to identical, sponsor boats. There are several other rules, situations that go into effect. For example, I don't believe the pro can wear his tournament shirt if it has sponsors who are not sponsors of FLW - example, no Lund shirts on the FLW championship final two days. No tabacco products during this time, due to filming that is going on throughout the day. I think it is all reflected in the rules. I'm sure the pro's in the championship field anticipated and came to the championship prepared. For example - have waypoints on a chip, compatable programs, or maybe portability of their own GPS units. Handheld with waypoints etc.
Ancient News
09-30-2005, 07:04 PM
Guys,
The FLW Outdoors people have been doing this since they started with their bass circuit 10 years ago.
FLW does it and so do the BASS guys.
This is how its been for the FLW walleye championship and actually for the final day or two of the qualifying events along with their respective championsyhips for the FLW and BASS when the TV cameras are rolling.
flatfish
09-30-2005, 08:21 PM
Bass - you can fly your sponsors logos.
It's pointless to have sponsors outside the FLW stable if your fishing FLW, if you can't generate the exposure for them with FLW media vehicles.
Is it manditory to wear their shirts in this situtation? Can a guy go with no logos at all, if manditory is any compensation provided to the angler.
Seems to me this is a great formula for fishermen to lose sponsors and creditablity - being forced to promote a competive product that you don't use - and at the same time your long term sponsor who has trusted their brand with your identy watches tens of thousands of dollars in advertising and promotion go down the drain.
Bottomline: You can't eat jigs.
steve hammons
09-30-2005, 11:36 PM
I agree,I think thats why you dont see all of the big name pros fishing the RCL/FLW,just a handful of the big names.Compare the names on the PWT circuit to that of the FLW.I think alot of the pros dont fish the FLW because of their sponsors being excluded.eyecrazy
Not a big deal
10-02-2005, 07:31 PM
The bass guys have been doing it for years. If I got in a new truck tomorrow i would not freak.
Not a big deal
10-02-2005, 07:31 PM
The bass guys have been doing it for years. If I got in a new truck tomorrow i would not freak.
For the bass guys it’s not a big deal, because their boats are just casting platforms. For a walleye guy, his boat is used to make the presentation. Most walleye pros have their boats rigged EXACTLY how they want them so that they can "whip out" any presentation or boat control tactic at the drop of a hat. It’s not the change in boat brand that is a problem; it’s the change in all of the other equipment.
For example, some guys have two fish finders and a GPS in the bow...one for rear depth and one for bow depth and GPS for drift speed, and this really helps when drifting a tight break...some guys have GPS and depth no matter where they are in the boat...some guys use remote control steering of their kicker so that they can steer from anywhere in the boat...some guys use splash guards and a tiller for back trolling...some guys use the bow mount set on auto pilot so that the boat doesn't do circles when netting a fish...some guys have a refined technique for using the bow mount in conjunction with the kicker under certain trolling and wind scenarios.
I agree that it's not the end of the world, but I wouldn't say it's no big deal for a walleye pro to switch to a new boat on the one day he's fishing for $125K. And the comparison to driving a new truck tomorrow is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard.
For the bass guys it’s not a big deal, because their boats are just casting platforms. For a walleye guy, his boat is used to make the presentation. Most walleye pros have their boats rigged EXACTLY how they want them so that they can "whip out" any presentation or boat control tactic at the drop of a hat. It’s not the change in boat brand that is a problem; it’s the change in all of the other equipment.
For example, some guys have two fish finders and a GPS in the bow...one for rear depth and one for bow depth and GPS for drift speed, and this really helps when drifting a tight break...some guys have GPS and depth no matter where they are in the boat...some guys use remote control steering of their kicker so that they can steer from anywhere in the boat...some guys use splash guards and a tiller for back trolling...some guys use the bow mount set on auto pilot so that the boat doesn't do circles when netting a fish...some guys have a refined technique for using the bow mount in conjunction with the kicker under certain trolling and wind scenarios.
I agree that it's not the end of the world, but I wouldn't say it's no big deal for a walleye pro to switch to a new boat on the one day he's fishing for $125K. And the comparison to driving a new truck tomorrow is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard.
walleyesrus2
10-02-2005, 08:22 PM
I fished the flw on Bull Shoals and was lucky enough to make the final day as an am, we could not wear any logos that weren't sponsers, They provided us with Rain Gear and jackets from Wal_Mart. Alot of the pro's werent too happy, as cool as it was they were scrambling for enough cloth they could wear that didn't have logos.
walleyesrus2
10-02-2005, 08:22 PM
I fished the flw on Bull Shoals and was lucky enough to make the final day as an am, we could not wear any logos that weren't sponsers, They provided us with Rain Gear and jackets from Wal_Mart. Alot of the pro's werent too happy, as cool as it was they were scrambling for enough cloth they could wear that didn't have logos.
KTurner
10-02-2005, 08:52 PM
Your hitting on the greatest reason to live in America....
We all get to make choices.
If you don't like one tour then fish a different tour! It's that easy! If you don't like what's available, start your own, stay home, or lurk anonynously and type really ridiculous statements that provide more basis for the theory "The Dumbing Down of America......"
Pool 4 was on fire today! Grab a kid and go fishing........ Kurt
KTurner
10-02-2005, 08:52 PM
Your hitting on the greatest reason to live in America....
We all get to make choices.
If you don't like one tour then fish a different tour! It's that easy! If you don't like what's available, start your own, stay home, or lurk anonynously and type really ridiculous statements that provide more basis for the theory "The Dumbing Down of America......"
Pool 4 was on fire today! Grab a kid and go fishing........ Kurt
I guess
10-02-2005, 10:04 PM
I guess some of you guys think that all of the "big names", I think you guys are refering two about five or six people, who fish the PWT who don't fish the FLW are doing that becasue they are afraid of fishing out of Rangers if they have enough skill and good fortune to make a championships final two days?
Wow, Ole and Shannon are sure brave. Congrats to them, Skarlis, Fairbairn, Kolinski, Grunwaldt, Stier, Grothe, Ryan, Plautz, Plautz, Ortiz, Flynn, Riley, Crow, Courts, Taege, Harsh, B. Davis, Backer, Schweder, McLaughlin, Mealey, Gazvoda, Hall, Ruffolo, Brumbaugh, Blanck and D. Van Oss for all showing such bravery in the attempt to win an event this year and have the firghtful experince of possibly having to fish out of a boat other than their own.
Geez, you guys probably still wear the same gym shoes you had in high school.
I guess
10-02-2005, 10:04 PM
I guess some of you guys think that all of the "big names", I think you guys are refering two about five or six people, who fish the PWT who don't fish the FLW are doing that becasue they are afraid of fishing out of Rangers if they have enough skill and good fortune to make a championships final two days?
Wow, Ole and Shannon are sure brave. Congrats to them, Skarlis, Fairbairn, Kolinski, Grunwaldt, Stier, Grothe, Ryan, Plautz, Plautz, Ortiz, Flynn, Riley, Crow, Courts, Taege, Harsh, B. Davis, Backer, Schweder, McLaughlin, Mealey, Gazvoda, Hall, Ruffolo, Brumbaugh, Blanck and D. Van Oss for all showing such bravery in the attempt to win an event this year and have the firghtful experince of possibly having to fish out of a boat other than their own.
Geez, you guys probably still wear the same gym shoes you had in high school.
Eric Schuelke
10-02-2005, 11:36 PM
I guess, it's apparent you don't know the boats some of the pro's that you listed run. Harsh, Skarlis and a couple others run Rangers. If Skarlis won he would have won $125k. If Plautz won he would have won 75k. Bonus money is a big factor why some of the pros that don't run rangers and have yami's or evinrudes don't fish that circuit. Another reason is sponsorship, some of the 5or6 pros that you are referring to, make alot of money from their sponsors. How would you like to be giving somebody money, and they can't show people that you are sponsoring them, but another guy that has all the right sponsors can wear all his clothing. The pro's have to support their sponsors. If you recall when it was the RCL the same pro's still did not fish that circuit.One of the pros that you mentioned only fished one FLW event this year. I would be willing to bet that reason was it was close to home and it was his home water.
Look at all the money the Plautz's threw away this year because they didn't run the right boat or moter. If Lampman would have ended up in 2nd, and one of the Plautz's would have won, they both would have received the same amount of money. That has to play into it. Also remember most of these guys would not be able to fish the circuits without sponsorshiip. They have to support the sponsors or they will not have sponsors.
Eric Schuelke
10-02-2005, 11:36 PM
I guess, it's apparent you don't know the boats some of the pro's that you listed run. Harsh, Skarlis and a couple others run Rangers. If Skarlis won he would have won $125k. If Plautz won he would have won 75k. Bonus money is a big factor why some of the pros that don't run rangers and have yami's or evinrudes don't fish that circuit. Another reason is sponsorship, some of the 5or6 pros that you are referring to, make alot of money from their sponsors. How would you like to be giving somebody money, and they can't show people that you are sponsoring them, but another guy that has all the right sponsors can wear all his clothing. The pro's have to support their sponsors. If you recall when it was the RCL the same pro's still did not fish that circuit.One of the pros that you mentioned only fished one FLW event this year. I would be willing to bet that reason was it was close to home and it was his home water.
Look at all the money the Plautz's threw away this year because they didn't run the right boat or moter. If Lampman would have ended up in 2nd, and one of the Plautz's would have won, they both would have received the same amount of money. That has to play into it. Also remember most of these guys would not be able to fish the circuits without sponsorshiip. They have to support the sponsors or they will not have sponsors.
JLDII
10-02-2005, 11:44 PM
Sounds like fishing season is over.
This could get good!:popcorn:
JLDII
10-02-2005, 11:44 PM
Sounds like fishing season is over.
This could get good!:popcorn:
Questions
10-03-2005, 10:18 AM
FLW Championship questions.
First, Who do the Pro's fish with on Day 4? I believe the co-anglers are done at this point, right? Observer?
Second, who fished out of the Yar-Craft tiller (Day 3 pics)? Nice to see a tillerman going for it!
Finally, How did the Ill. lifted slot limit work out? Were there lot's DNR out there? And it looked like alot of the fished weight were in that slot size...so in the end it looks like it helped bring some fish to the scales. Any news on DNR getting people for traveling/fishing in the wrong areas?
Questions
10-03-2005, 10:18 AM
FLW Championship questions.
First, Who do the Pro's fish with on Day 4? I believe the co-anglers are done at this point, right? Observer?
Second, who fished out of the Yar-Craft tiller (Day 3 pics)? Nice to see a tillerman going for it!
Finally, How did the Ill. lifted slot limit work out? Were there lot's DNR out there? And it looked like alot of the fished weight were in that slot size...so in the end it looks like it helped bring some fish to the scales. Any news on DNR getting people for traveling/fishing in the wrong areas?
Missed The Point
10-03-2005, 10:51 AM
Eric,
You missed the point. The post re: the anglers who fish both circuits was to show the quality of the anglers.
Sorry to say, but its no longer a viable to suggest that the skill level is different between the PWT and FLW. That horse left town.
Anglers opting not to fish the FLW this season like Martin and Gofron along with others only fishing one or two are reflective on their desire to spend money where they feel they'll get the most exposure and the encouragment of some of their sponsors that they only are con=cerned with certain circuits.
The old one circuit is better than the other based on the anglers participating is not valid. If it was wouldn't the anglers fishing the PWT along with the FLW win every PWT event or vice versa?
That's not happening.
And the money is just part of the reason a Plautz or other non-Ranger pro fishes. To be the FLW Champion or the winner of a qualifier is the main reason, although the same pay across the board would be better. Lots of dough in potential sponsorship opportunities if the winning angler has the ability to negotiate and market his or herself.
Missed The Point
10-03-2005, 10:51 AM
Eric,
You missed the point. The post re: the anglers who fish both circuits was to show the quality of the anglers.
Sorry to say, but its no longer a viable to suggest that the skill level is different between the PWT and FLW. That horse left town.
Anglers opting not to fish the FLW this season like Martin and Gofron along with others only fishing one or two are reflective on their desire to spend money where they feel they'll get the most exposure and the encouragment of some of their sponsors that they only are con=cerned with certain circuits.
The old one circuit is better than the other based on the anglers participating is not valid. If it was wouldn't the anglers fishing the PWT along with the FLW win every PWT event or vice versa?
That's not happening.
And the money is just part of the reason a Plautz or other non-Ranger pro fishes. To be the FLW Champion or the winner of a qualifier is the main reason, although the same pay across the board would be better. Lots of dough in potential sponsorship opportunities if the winning angler has the ability to negotiate and market his or herself.
Eric Schuelke
10-03-2005, 11:27 AM
I didn't miss the point. I understand what you are saying. Sponsors play a major role in the business. To be a sponsor of a circuit they have to put up a good sum of money. The PWT doesn't dictate what you can wear. The FLW does. The FLW lets anybody fish the circuit, as long as they put up the money. The PWT tries to get the best quality of anglers out there. That is why in my opionion the PWT is a better circuit. Don't get me wrong i'm not putting the FLW down. If an angler is running a ranger they would be stupid not to fish the FLW.There are quality anglers on both circuits. It's just too bad they both can't come together and work together to form one circuit. And yes, the sponsors do dictate at that level.
Eric Schuelke
10-03-2005, 11:27 AM
I didn't miss the point. I understand what you are saying. Sponsors play a major role in the business. To be a sponsor of a circuit they have to put up a good sum of money. The PWT doesn't dictate what you can wear. The FLW does. The FLW lets anybody fish the circuit, as long as they put up the money. The PWT tries to get the best quality of anglers out there. That is why in my opionion the PWT is a better circuit. Don't get me wrong i'm not putting the FLW down. If an angler is running a ranger they would be stupid not to fish the FLW.There are quality anglers on both circuits. It's just too bad they both can't come together and work together to form one circuit. And yes, the sponsors do dictate at that level.
Agree
10-03-2005, 11:38 AM
Eric,
Exactly. Both circuits have awesome anglers. Maybe the money and exposure will some day be equal for all.
Agree
10-03-2005, 11:38 AM
Eric,
Exactly. Both circuits have awesome anglers. Maybe the money and exposure will some day be equal for all.
Where is da cash
10-03-2005, 12:00 PM
Eric, don't kid yourself. The PWT was trying to fill the eastern side this year with anyone that could come up with the entry. Both circuits are great and each one is alittle different. No need to combine the two. They will both get better through competition. Both circuits are here to make money.
Where is da cash
10-03-2005, 12:00 PM
Eric, don't kid yourself. The PWT was trying to fill the eastern side this year with anyone that could come up with the entry. Both circuits are great and each one is alittle different. No need to combine the two. They will both get better through competition. Both circuits are here to make money.
I don't see that happening, except that Al linder is doing work on the FLW tour, that is interesting. There was WWF and WCW. There is BASS and FLW. There is Play Station and X box, so the competition will probably continue...
Personally, I like the competition, because it gives more opportunitys for more anglers.
Fish_on
10-03-2005, 04:01 PM
Al Lindner has nothing to do with the PWT. He has his own media company called Lindner media, and his company is under contract to film the FLW tournaments for FOX sports. You may be reading too much into things.
Well, I guess I've been out of the loop awhile, just knew he used to be involved with the PWT. He's probably been doing that awhile and I just didn't know. I knew the magazine was sold, knew they still did In-Fish TV (I thought) but, didn't know he was involved with the FLW in that way.
Eric Schuelke
10-03-2005, 05:50 PM
I was just trying to point out why some of the anglers don't fish both circuits. It sounded like one of the posters was putting down some of the anglers for not fishing both circuits. I have no problem with having two circuits.I don't like the fact that one circuit gives extra money if you have the right boat, and motor. But to come from another point of view, it's their circuit and they can do whatever they want.
I do think that if other boat man. and motor man. don't start giving incentives like the FLW does, you will see some people jumping ship.
The only point I was trying to make was, don't put down the anglers that are not fishing the FLW and just the PWT. Both circuits have their pluses and minuses.
I will say one thing though. The FLW sure knows how to promote and hold their championship. I'm hoping the PWT has something in the works like that. It makes it alot more exciting for the viewers.
Well, I do have to agree with you on the show the FLW put on. Nice staging/lighting...etc. I also agree with you on the extra incentive from other boat companies. Others should jump on board. Before the RCL ended, I thought the same thing. At least now you can get in it with another boat mfg. But your right. I'm a Lund man, but Ranger has sure jumped up in market share since the RCL/FLW.
Eric Schuelke
10-03-2005, 06:32 PM
I'm a lund and merc man myself
Terroreyes
10-03-2005, 08:27 PM
What if you were a handliner and that technique got you to the final round? Would the boat they provide be handline ready with reels mounted, or is that up to you? Can you drill on the boats? }(
Juls_OH
10-03-2005, 08:55 PM
No, you couldn't drill on the boats.
An easy way to get around that, if you were a handliner, would be to Poleline. Just a different technique with the same presentation.
Juls
Mille Lacs Guy
10-04-2005, 11:25 AM
Did they provide tiller boats for the guys that fish with tiller rigs? Or weren't there any tiller fisherman in the top 10?
Juls_OH
10-04-2005, 11:29 AM
No, all the boats were identical in rigging, except some ran 'Yammies and some ran 'Rudes.
Juls
guess
10-04-2005, 11:48 AM
Just a guess....but I think they provided console boats only. Stier runs a tiller from time to time, but he has had both. And my guess it that most of those guys have run both. I did see a Yar Craft tiller in the pictures from day 3 on this site. Thought that was nice being a tiller man myself.