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Jim Coon
10-13-2006, 10:28 AM
I took this from another board. This is everyones chance to respond.

Here is some more info and how to express your opinion.

Wisconsin Wants Your Comments On New Tournament Rules

Wisconsin’s is urging anglers to attend upcoming public hearings on proposed fishing tournament rule changes and submit written comments.

“Changes to fishing tournaments rules, and fishing tournaments in general, can be controversial,” says Mike Staggs, Wisconsin’s fisheries director. “There’s no one set of rules that will make everyone happy, but we’re committed to finding middle ground. It’s important for people to read the proposals and raise their concerns during the public hearings or in written comments.”

Fisheries staff will review public comments and finalize the proposals before returning to the state Natural Resources Board (NRB) to seek approval of the rules, likely in 2007, he says.

A 2004 law responded to public concerns raised about tournaments and instructed the DNR to update tournament fishing rules where there were significant, documented problems. Larger tournaments have been governed by a permit system since the mid-1990s, and the number of permitted events has increased from about 300 events a year to 400 since then. See the June 2006 Issue of Wisconsin Natural Resources for an article on fishing tournaments.

DNR staff developed proposed rule changes by working with an advisory group that included fishing clubs, lake associations, fishing tournament organizers and the Wisconsin Conservation Congress. The group focused on addressing documented problems with crowding at boat ramps and on some lakes during certain times of the year like holidays, and concerns over fish dying after being caught and released in tournaments. Studies have indicated that such “incidental mortality” doesn’t affect the fish population over all, but “no one likes to see the resource wasted,” Staggs says.

The original proposal was modified to address Natural Resources Board concerns about invasive species, incidental mortality, and recovering costs associated with managing the tournament permit program, he says.

Perhaps the most notable feature of the proposal is that tournament participants would have to immediately release fish in tournaments held in July and August instead of bringing them back to a weigh station, Staggs says. Water temperatures are the highest in those months, and there’s the greatest risk of increased mortality of fish caught in those events. In recent years, several highly publicized incidents occurred when fish died after being caught in live-release bass tournaments on the Mississippi River and walleye tournaments in Green Bay.

According to Patrick Schmalz, the DNR fish biologist who led the rule development, key provisions are:

- Tournaments would be required to get a permit if they had 20 or more boats or 100 or more individuals; if they awarded prizes totaling $10,000 or more; if they targeted trout on classified trout streams; or if they were live-release events with an off-site weigh-in.

- The fee for tournament permits must cover costs associated with administering the permit program, with the exception of tournaments in which all participants are youngsters or disabled people.

- Permit fees would vary depending on event size. People attending public hearings or submitting written comments on the rule changes will be asked which payment option they prefer: having event organizers pay the permit fee or having event organizers and participants pay. The Natural Resources Board struck from consideration a third option to use fishing license revenues to pay some of the cost.

- A permit application process would begin August 1 for tournaments the following year and extend through Sept. 30. Tournament applications for water bodies and time periods that exceed proposed limits would be subject to a drawing. Under current rules, permit applications are accepted up to one year prior to and no later than 30 days prior to a fishing tournament.

- DNR would have the authority to limit the number, size and frequency of tournaments held on a particular waterbody based on waterbody size to lessen the pressure on fish and reduce conflicts with other anglers and boaters. Current rules have no such limits.

- Anglers would be required to meet standards for handling fish to reduce stress on the fish, and more conditions could be added if warm water and other conditions warrant. These standards are intended to avoid wasting fish. Wisconsin studies thus far have shown tournaments don’t have a lasting impact on fish populations.

- Organizers could hold tournaments on the opening day of seasons, but not on major summer holidays. Under current rules tournaments are prohibited on the opening day of fishing seasons only.

- Organizers would need to take steps to prevent tournament organizers and participants from inadvertently spreading invasive aquatic species.

The hearings will be begin at 7 p.m. on the following dates and locations:
October 30, Fond du Lac – Holiday Inn, 624 W. Rolling Meadows Dr. (US 151 & 41).
November 1, La Crosse – Strzelczyk Great Hall, Cleary Center, UW-La Crosse, 615 East Ave., South.
November 2, Fitchburg – Fitchburg Community Center, 5510 Lacy Road.
November 8, Green Bay – Auditorium, Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary Nature Center, 1660 East Shore Dr.
November 9, Sturtevant – Suite IV, DNR Service Center, 9531 Rayne Road.
November 14, Spooner – Spooner Agricultural Research Station, W6646 Highway 70.
November 15, Rhinelander – Nicolet Technical College Theater, County Highway G.

A copy of the draft rules, hearing dates, and other materials concerning fishing tournaments can be found on the DNR Web site.

The proposed rule and fiscal estimate may be reviewed and comments electronically submitted at through the State of Wisconsin Administrative Rules Web site (exit DNR). Written comments on the proposed rule may be submitted until Nov. 17 via U.S. mail to Patrick J. Schmalz, Bureau of Fisheries Management and Habitat Protection, P.O. Box 7921, Madison, WI 53707. Written comments whether submitted electronically or by U.S. mail will have the same weight and effect as oral statements presented at the public hearings.

egcg
10-17-2006, 07:08 PM
I dont understand the problem here. I think this is going to effect the bar tourneys more than the circuit tourneys.
I myself feel that tourneys shouldnt be held during a time of year that fish are effected by the warm water temps of July and August

tyee unlogged
10-25-2006, 07:18 PM
Edge, you are correct smaller circuits will be affected but as well costs will go up to adapt to the regulations, Large events will be limited the resource and public perception is as big an issue as well.

First meeting is in Fond du Lac at 7:00PM next Monday the 30th.

Good Luck
Tyee

Juls_OH
10-26-2006, 04:31 PM
An open letter to Wisconsin tournament anglers State considering summer ban on live-release tournaments

FLW Outdoors
By Charlie Evans - 24.Oct.2006

Dear Wisconsin tournament angler:

We need your help! The time has come for you to take immediate action to defend your rights as a tournament angler in Wisconsin. As you probably know, the Wisconsin Natural Resources Board is considering proposed changes to Administrative Code NR 20.40 that will outright ban live-release fishing tournaments between July 1 and Aug. 31 and effectively prohibit organizations like FLW Outdoors and The Bass Federation from hosting events in the state due to excessive permitting requirements and excessive fees. As a tournament angler you have been singled out to pay additional fees that recreational anglers will be exempt from paying.

If adopted, the proposed changes to Administrative Code NR 20.40 will have serious economic implications for small businesses throughout the state. In fact, the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources’ own study in conjunction with the Wisconsin Department of Tourism, the University of Wisconsin – Madison and the Chippewa Valley Convention and Visitors Bureau shows that a single tournament can contribute $2.1 million to small businesses. In its proposal to the board, however, the DNR states that the proposed changes will have no effect on small businesses. This simply is not true.

It’s time for small business owners and tournament anglers throughout Wisconsin to stand united against the proposed changes to Administrative Code NR 20.40. Please get together with your fishing friends and attend as many of the following public hearings as possible to let your voices be heard:

• October 30, Fond du Lac – 7 p.m., Holiday Inn, 624 W. Rolling Meadows Drive (US 151 & 41).
• November 1, La Crosse – 7 p.m., Strzelczyk Great Hall, Cleary Center, UW-La Crosse, 615 East Avenue South.
• November 2, Fitchburg – 7 p.m., Fitchburg Community Center, 5510 Lacy Road.
• November 8, Green Bay – 7 p.m., Auditorium, Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary Nature Center, 1660 East Shore Dr.
• November 9, Sturtevant – 7 p.m., Suite IV, DNR Service Center, 9531 Rayne Road.
• November 14, Spooner – 7 p.m., Spooner Agricultural Research Station, W6646 Highway 70.
• November 15, Rhinelander – 7 p.m., Theater, Nicolet Technical College, County Highway G.

Unless we show up in force at these hearings, the proposed changes will be implemented and tournament anglers and small business owners throughout Wisconsin will pay the price.

In addition to attending the hearings, please e-mail Wisconsin Natural Resources Board Chairman Gerald O’Brien at amy.arthur@dnr.state.wi.us and Wisconsin DNR Treaty Fisheries Coordinator Patrick J. Schmalz at patrick.schmalz@dnr.state.wi.us to express your concerns. Tell them your opinion, ask how the proposed changes will benefit Wisconsin fisheries, anglers and small businesses, and offer alternative solutions to whatever perceived problem they hope to address. The simple truth is that there is no biological or economic justification for the proposed changes.

To review the proposed changes in their entirety, visit www.wisconsinbass.com/DNR_tourn_changes.pdf (Note: To view the proposal you must have Adobe Acrobat Reader. To download a free version of that software, click here). A copy of a letter from FLW Outdoors sent to Chairman O’Brien to express our concern is enclosed for reference (click here to read it).

Your rights are in jeopardy. Please act today.

Sincerely,

Charlie Evans
President and CEO, FLW Outdoors

Gary Korsgaden
10-27-2006, 09:28 AM
Charlie,

I do feel it is important for all Wisconsin anglers to make it to the the meetings to be come informed and heard and I do support tournament angling. I would like a further clarification on how small business benefit to the level you stated in this post? We hear all types of these claims but i would like more information, I know it is ahrd to document; 2nd would you share with me the amount of fees that the Wisconsin DNR is proposing to be leveled to tournament anglers. That figure is missing in this post..the only rule is the fee is recoup the money used to introduce these fees....

Thank you for providing further clarification

Juls_OH
10-27-2006, 10:31 AM
Gary,
Charlie is not going to be responding to your post here. I posted his "Open Letter". It was on the FLW site.

You could probably email or call him, and I'm sure he would be happy to answer your questions.

Juls

Juls_OH
10-27-2006, 10:31 AM
Gary,
Charlie is not going to be responding to your post here. I posted his "Open Letter". It was on the FLW site.

You could probably email or call him, and I'm sure he would be happy to answer your questions.

Juls

Tommy Kemos
10-27-2006, 04:54 PM
Jim,
Thank you for posting this, it is kind of frustrating that more anglers have not weighed in on this yet.
I was fortunate enough growing up to have entry level tournaments at my finger tips. I was able to come up through the ranks competing in the tournaments that I had the means to enter.
My biggest concern is that it will give up and coming anglers less of an opportunity to throw their hat in the ring. We need to drop the culling issue!
It is our responsibility as tournament anglers to take a proactive stand with this issue.
Tommy Kemos

Tommy Kemos
10-27-2006, 04:54 PM
Jim,
Thank you for posting this, it is kind of frustrating that more anglers have not weighed in on this yet.
I was fortunate enough growing up to have entry level tournaments at my finger tips. I was able to come up through the ranks competing in the tournaments that I had the means to enter.
My biggest concern is that it will give up and coming anglers less of an opportunity to throw their hat in the ring. We need to drop the culling issue!
It is our responsibility as tournament anglers to take a proactive stand with this issue.
Tommy Kemos

Kristine Houtman
10-30-2006, 10:55 AM
I actually think the rulings they are talking about enacting will affect big tournaments, too. Minnesota has some regulations that if Wisconsin ends up like theirs -- we have a hard time putting Minnesota in our rotation.

For example, if they limit the number of tournaments on a body of water -- say one per weekend. Or one every-other-weekend. What happened in Minnesota is that the smaller bar tournaments that hold their events the same weekend every single year got "grandfathered" into getting their permit first choice. And so if MWC wants to pick up a rotation (one year, not the next) then we have to get in line behind the smaller bar tournaments. Quite often that means we can't keep that body of water on our schedule.

It works in Lake City because the Frontenac Sportsmens Club holds a permit every year that gets "grandfathered" in and they offer that permit for us to use. But it really does challenge a large tournament, too.

If we couldn't have a tournament in Wisconsin because we had to get in line behind every weekend bar tournament that got priority, you can see how that would affect Wisconsin being a part of the MWC's rotation. So that's why it is also a HUGE challenge to big tournaments, not just small bar tournaments.

And when you consider the economic impact of allowing local tournaments but not allowing tournaments that really bring people in from 10 or 12 surrounding states that stay in hotels and eat in restaurants all week during pre-fishing; you've really negatively impacted your economy.

Also, most of the larger tournaments have really good oxygenation and fish handling systems. I really think we should be able to release whatever percentage we can of warm weather tournaments; rather than harvest 100%. If we can release back 70% or 75% -- that's good.

I hope you Wisconsin anglers will attend these meetings and speak up. We don't mind working WITH the DNR in protecting our resources. In fact, we have a dedicated conservation fund that goes back to the resource for EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT THAT WE HOLD. We do want to be careful that we don't push tournaments completely out of the picture. Anglers still want tournaments and so do area businesses.

Kristine Houtman
10-30-2006, 10:55 AM
I actually think the rulings they are talking about enacting will affect big tournaments, too. Minnesota has some regulations that if Wisconsin ends up like theirs -- we have a hard time putting Minnesota in our rotation.

For example, if they limit the number of tournaments on a body of water -- say one per weekend. Or one every-other-weekend. What happened in Minnesota is that the smaller bar tournaments that hold their events the same weekend every single year got "grandfathered" into getting their permit first choice. And so if MWC wants to pick up a rotation (one year, not the next) then we have to get in line behind the smaller bar tournaments. Quite often that means we can't keep that body of water on our schedule.

It works in Lake City because the Frontenac Sportsmens Club holds a permit every year that gets "grandfathered" in and they offer that permit for us to use. But it really does challenge a large tournament, too.

If we couldn't have a tournament in Wisconsin because we had to get in line behind every weekend bar tournament that got priority, you can see how that would affect Wisconsin being a part of the MWC's rotation. So that's why it is also a HUGE challenge to big tournaments, not just small bar tournaments.

And when you consider the economic impact of allowing local tournaments but not allowing tournaments that really bring people in from 10 or 12 surrounding states that stay in hotels and eat in restaurants all week during pre-fishing; you've really negatively impacted your economy.

Also, most of the larger tournaments have really good oxygenation and fish handling systems. I really think we should be able to release whatever percentage we can of warm weather tournaments; rather than harvest 100%. If we can release back 70% or 75% -- that's good.

I hope you Wisconsin anglers will attend these meetings and speak up. We don't mind working WITH the DNR in protecting our resources. In fact, we have a dedicated conservation fund that goes back to the resource for EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT THAT WE HOLD. We do want to be careful that we don't push tournaments completely out of the picture. Anglers still want tournaments and so do area businesses.

Burr
10-30-2006, 03:45 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't see a clear 'threat to tournament fishing' from the provisions?




>According to Patrick Schmalz, the DNR fish biologist who led
>the rule development, key provisions are:
>
>- Tournaments would be required to get a permit if they had 20
>or more boats or 100 or more individuals; if they awarded
>prizes totaling $10,000 or more; if they targeted trout on
>classified trout streams; or if they were live-release events
>with an off-site weigh-in.

It surprises me Wisconsin does not do this already.


>- The fee for tournament permits must cover costs associated
>with administering the permit program, with the exception of
>tournaments in which all participants are youngsters or
>disabled people.

That's reasonable - User fees are the new reality from the public sector in many areas.


>- Permit fees would vary depending on event size. People
>attending public hearings or submitting written comments on
>the rule changes will be asked which payment option they
>prefer: having event organizers pay the permit fee or having
>event organizers and participants pay. The Natural Resources
>Board struck from consideration a third option to use fishing
>license revenues to pay some of the cost.

So this area is a little too open, and does not tie in with above. Is it a user fee, that covers it's program expenses, or a revenue generating fee for the general fund? This, and the previous item are really the two items that concern me a little bit. Too broadly worded is the only issue. So there is a user based fee, as long as the fee is fair, not a big issue.


>- A permit application process would begin August 1 for
>tournaments the following year and extend through Sept. 30.
>Tournament applications for water bodies and time periods that
>exceed proposed limits would be subject to a drawing. Under
>current rules, permit applications are accepted up to one year
>prior to and no later than 30 days prior to a fishing
>tournament.

It would be nice to have some way to hold an annual event. The time periods given for applying for a permit are pretty much exactly what Minnesota requires now. I think we have to recognize that there is some number of tournaments for every body of water that is 'too many'. It will be decided in advance, by Sept 30th the prior year - that's fair.


>- DNR would have the authority to limit the number, size and
>frequency of tournaments held on a particular waterbody based
>on waterbody size to lessen the pressure on fish and reduce
>conflicts with other anglers and boaters. Current rules have
>no such limits.

It surprises me the DNR does not currently have this authority. If they told me they did, I would believe them...

>- Anglers would be required to meet standards for handling
>fish to reduce stress on the fish, and more conditions could
>be added if warm water and other conditions warrant. These
>standards are intended to avoid wasting fish. Wisconsin
>studies thus far have shown tournaments don’t have a lasting
>impact on fish populations.

Don't all tournament fisherman want the above already? -what is the concern? I'd think we'd welcome the DNR helping us achieve a better catch and release rate by helping through education.

>- Organizers could hold tournaments on the opening day of
>seasons, but not on major summer holidays. Under current rules
>tournaments are prohibited on the opening day of fishing
>seasons only.

Again - the rule does not concern me. It's actually good thinking, just too bad we have to make a rule for it. Heh, tourney organizers, guess what - I don't want to fish a tourney on Independance day.

>- Organizers would need to take steps to prevent tournament
>organizers and participants from inadvertently spreading
>invasive aquatic species.

Again - what is the issue here? Minnesota requires the above, and tournaments have survived. Honestly, most of us need to start doing things we are not in the habit of to help with preventing the spread of invasive plants and animals. In Minnesota, the tournament permits very clearly set out what needs to be done in these area's - and IMO, it's a good thing! Although, I will admit, there are many competitors that argue about having to have a livewell with no water in it when they put the boat in the water - and argue, and argue, and argue. Just plan for it and deal with it. There are other ways to keep your bait alive.

Seems to me there was some restrictions on catch and release tournaments during the summer months as well. Again, ND and MN already excercises these limitations - it doesn't kill the existence of tournaments. I'm surprised WI does not have something similar.

So the potential user fees wording is too wide open. Other than that, why should I be concerned? Am I missing something???????