FLW Question

[FLW Angler]

I was wondering why the FLW does not require the names of the pro to be listed on the motor like the PWT does? Not trying to ruffle any feathers with this question, but there are some obvious advantages and disadvantages to it. Having your name on the motor definately makes it easier from a co perspective in being able to identify who you are when meeting and so on. As well as the disadvantage of having tail pipers. But also if there may be an infraction of the rules it would be easier to remember a name instead of what color boat with what color stripes and what motor.... yada yada. I would rather prefer to remember speed depth color and size of the fish (the important things of fishing) Case in point:

Last year while fishing in Red Wing, I pull into my # 2 spot and start my fishing. There was another boat there, but off a ways from me. Anyways to make a long story short, we end up meeting a short distance apart as he fishes towards me. As I look over, I see him on his cell phone...my first thought is what the ####? I'm not doing anything wrong, what can he be calling tourny officals for? (being that is the only person that you can legally speak with during tourny hours, this is who he had to be speaking with...right?). As I sit there and look at him he tells me he is having motor problems and is on the phone with officals. A few minutes later he lifts up his trolling motor and takes off on a plane with his big motor......motor problems??

Again I am not trying to ensue some sort of argument, just curious if the thought has ever been proposed to the FLW. It would make it an even playing field for everyone in regards to having their names on their motor as the guys (and ladies) who also fish the PWT do.

[FLW Angler]

I was wondering why the FLW does not require the names of the pro to be listed on the motor like the PWT does? Not trying to ruffle any feathers with this question, but there are some obvious advantages and disadvantages to it. Having your name on the motor definately makes it easier from a co perspective in being able to identify who you are when meeting and so on. As well as the disadvantage of having tail pipers. But also if there may be an infraction of the rules it would be easier to remember a name instead of what color boat with what color stripes and what motor.... yada yada. I would rather prefer to remember speed depth color and size of the fish (the important things of fishing) Case in point:

Last year while fishing in Red Wing, I pull into my # 2 spot and start my fishing. There was another boat there, but off a ways from me. Anyways to make a long story short, we end up meeting a short distance apart as he fishes towards me. As I look over, I see him on his cell phone...my first thought is what the ####? I'm not doing anything wrong, what can he be calling tourny officals for? (being that is the only person that you can legally speak with during tourny hours, this is who he had to be speaking with...right?). As I sit there and look at him he tells me he is having motor problems and is on the phone with officals. A few minutes later he lifts up his trolling motor and takes off on a plane with his big motor......motor problems??

Again I am not trying to ensue some sort of argument, just curious if the thought has ever been proposed to the FLW. It would make it an even playing field for everyone in regards to having their names on their motor as the guys (and ladies) who also fish the PWT do.

[Juls]

I don't know the official answer, but a phone call could certainly find that out. Here's Sonny's number if you want to call his office:
270-252-1591 He's always willing to answer any questions anglers might have.

I don't think putting names on the motors are necessary though, since all you would have to do is ask for the boat number of that pro. That's as easy to remember as their name...if not easier in my opinion.

I wouldn't be against it, but I also don't like having to take the stickers off at the end of the season. I would rather not risk any scratches in the cowling if I didn't have to.

Just my .02

Juls

[Juls]

I don't know the official answer, but a phone call could certainly find that out. Here's Sonny's number if you want to call his office:
270-252-1591 He's always willing to answer any questions anglers might have.

I don't think putting names on the motors are necessary though, since all you would have to do is ask for the boat number of that pro. That's as easy to remember as their name...if not easier in my opinion.

I wouldn't be against it, but I also don't like having to take the stickers off at the end of the season. I would rather not risk any scratches in the cowling if I didn't have to.

Just my .02

Juls

[Dr. Walleyes]

If you were talking to him why didn't you just ask him his name? Seems easy enough. Also we all already have MC numbers, you could of wrote those down and you wouldn't have hadd to remember what his boat looked like. You can't always read the name on the motor anyway.

Point is you thought the guy was cheating and didn't do anything about it. You could of done due diligence and checked it out and didn't.

[Dr. Walleyes]

If you were talking to him why didn't you just ask him his name? Seems easy enough. Also we all already have MC numbers, you could of wrote those down and you wouldn't have hadd to remember what his boat looked like. You can't always read the name on the motor anyway.

Point is you thought the guy was cheating and didn't do anything about it. You could of done due diligence and checked it out and didn't.

[dutchboy]

I think it's a fair question.

I don't fish tournies so my opinion won't count much here but just carry a camera and snap a digital photo. Doesn't cost ya anything and you can just show the photo to the tourny director if you suspect anything.

Be sure not to pull your camera phone out, LOL, they might get a picture of you with your phone out!

[dutchboy]

I think it's a fair question.

I don't fish tournies so my opinion won't count much here but just carry a camera and snap a digital photo. Doesn't cost ya anything and you can just show the photo to the tourny director if you suspect anything.

Be sure not to pull your camera phone out, LOL, they might get a picture of you with your phone out!

[PWT pro]

If you have been around a little while you will know 95% of the field by name. Sounds like a one timer whining to me. The Name thing came about because of several bad eggs in the PWT who disrupted the no wake zones and community fishing holes.

[PWT pro]

If you have been around a little while you will know 95% of the field by name. Sounds like a one timer whining to me. The Name thing came about because of several bad eggs in the PWT who disrupted the no wake zones and community fishing holes.

[kinda harsh huh]

>If you have been around a little while you will know 95% of
>the field by name. Sounds like a one timer whining to me. The
>Name thing came about because of several bad eggs in the PWT
>who disrupted the no wake zones and community fishing holes.

Does that mean that a "one timer" is just to "take" what the full time touring pro's do, and just blow it off as "they can do what they want" or is he to play by the rules and expect a pro do these things? Just wondering what "whining" is to you? Should one timers expect to see things from "regulars" that the rules would call questional behavior? Or should they turn in the "regular" and find out what the tour directors think? I would hardly call a guy on the phone "whining" when it's clearly stated in every tournaments rules as a No-No. If in fact the guy was talking to the right people, then it would have been a non-issue, but one that should be addressed never the less. Would'nt you agree? Or since he was just a whining one timer he should'nt have a say?
:rules:

[kinda harsh huh]

>If you have been around a little while you will know 95% of
>the field by name. Sounds like a one timer whining to me. The
>Name thing came about because of several bad eggs in the PWT
>who disrupted the no wake zones and community fishing holes.

Does that mean that a "one timer" is just to "take" what the full time touring pro's do, and just blow it off as "they can do what they want" or is he to play by the rules and expect a pro do these things? Just wondering what "whining" is to you? Should one timers expect to see things from "regulars" that the rules would call questional behavior? Or should they turn in the "regular" and find out what the tour directors think? I would hardly call a guy on the phone "whining" when it's clearly stated in every tournaments rules as a No-No. If in fact the guy was talking to the right people, then it would have been a non-issue, but one that should be addressed never the less. Would'nt you agree? Or since he was just a whining one timer he should'nt have a say?
:rules:

[Yeah]

Yeah that was Harsh, but not PETE Harsh! :rotflmao: Blaahhh hahahaha man, I kill myself sometimes!

There's new faces all the time. No one can be expected to remember all the names especially when all you can see of them in the boat sometimes is their mouth.

Hat, raincoat/jacket, hood (up), sunglasses, etc. not much to go on there! :confused:

[Yeah]

Yeah that was Harsh, but not PETE Harsh! :rotflmao: Blaahhh hahahaha man, I kill myself sometimes!

There's new faces all the time. No one can be expected to remember all the names especially when all you can see of them in the boat sometimes is their mouth.

Hat, raincoat/jacket, hood (up), sunglasses, etc. not much to go on there! :confused:

[Burr]

I don't believe on the water communication was against the rules last year in the flw - been discussed here several times. The rule has changed for this year - which has also been a topic.

Doesn't matter who he was talking to, it was fine. Doesn't matter that he talked to another contestant in another boat about his phone call either - that was allowable.

This year, telling a fellow contestant your on the phone with tourney officials is a rule violation - without anything to do with the phone call, reason for potential disqualification.

IMO, when it was legal to have on the water communication during tournament hours - contestants were forced to do it. If you didn't, it would be like only putting 6 spark plugs in a V-8 at a drag race. You have to use every tool within the rules to maximize your opportunity to win - last year, it was making phone calls a FLW tourney.

Glad to see the rule changed, as are many anglers.

[Burr]

I don't believe on the water communication was against the rules last year in the flw - been discussed here several times. The rule has changed for this year - which has also been a topic.

Doesn't matter who he was talking to, it was fine. Doesn't matter that he talked to another contestant in another boat about his phone call either - that was allowable.

This year, telling a fellow contestant your on the phone with tourney officials is a rule violation - without anything to do with the phone call, reason for potential disqualification.

IMO, when it was legal to have on the water communication during tournament hours - contestants were forced to do it. If you didn't, it would be like only putting 6 spark plugs in a V-8 at a drag race. You have to use every tool within the rules to maximize your opportunity to win - last year, it was making phone calls a FLW tourney.

Glad to see the rule changed, as are many anglers.

[Juls]

Burr,
The use of cell phones was never allowed. On the water communication had to be done in person only.

Like you said, that won't be allowed anymore either.

Juls

[Juls]

Burr,
The use of cell phones was never allowed. On the water communication had to be done in person only.

Like you said, that won't be allowed anymore either.

Juls

[Burr]

I stand corrected on the cell phone issue then.

:-) :-)

[Burr]

I stand corrected on the cell phone issue then.

:-) :-)

[Dr. Walleyes]

Burr,
You can still have on the water communication. You just can't discuss
method or type of presentations being used, lure selection or color and location of fish or type of water being fished is strictly prohibited.

Soooooooo, you can still ask a member of your team how many fish they've caught.... They can reel in lure and you can count the turns of the handle....to figure the feet out...lift the bait out of the water so you can see it..... And you can know where they've been fishing based of plans discussed the previous evening.

As mentioned the cell phone thing has always been a "No, No".

[Dr. Walleyes]

Burr,
You can still have on the water communication. You just can't discuss
method or type of presentations being used, lure selection or color and location of fish or type of water being fished is strictly prohibited.

Soooooooo, you can still ask a member of your team how many fish they've caught.... They can reel in lure and you can count the turns of the handle....to figure the feet out...lift the bait out of the water so you can see it..... And you can know where they've been fishing based of plans discussed the previous evening.

As mentioned the cell phone thing has always been a "No, No".

[Real pro]

Ya, and see how fast he gets protested. I think the Co-Anglers and other pros will police themselves on this matter. I know for a fact I will file a protest and I think I've seen all the tricks.

[huh]

Why would he/she get protested? It isn't against the rules.

[Dr. Walleyes]

Real Pro,

Protest all you want, but the rules were followed. Go to the FLW website and read them if you want. Everything I described can and probably will happen.

[Real Pro]

>Burr,
>You can still have on the water communication. You just can't
>discuss
>method or type of presentations being used, lure selection or
>color and location of fish or type of water being fished is
>strictly prohibited.
>
>Soooooooo, you can still ask a member of your team how many
>fish they've caught.... They can reel in lure and you can
>count the turns of the handle....to figure the feet out...lift
>the bait out of the water so you can see it..... And you can
>know where they've been fishing based of plans discussed the
>previous evening.
>
>As mentioned the cell phone thing has always been a "No, No".
>
>If you look at the rules and a guy that tries to do what your discribing and is seen, he will be protested. That is communication and that pro can be DQed for it. It sounds like your looking for a way to get an unfair advantage and use it! Any Co-Angler can see this violation and should report it.

[protest]

Just how many people have been protested? Just how many times have people been DQ'd for using an unfair advantage? Talk is cheap! People have found ways around rules since this all started. Unfair and advantage are two words that people never consider when entering a field of "pro" anglers. The best at the game will find ways around any writen rule. It's your word against the next guys, and it's NOT worth the time to make a stink over what other people do. Worry about what you are doing, cause no matter what happens you won't change it. This comes from experence!
What I believe to be without question "doing things wrong" is not what others believe. I will never change that fact, this I have learned. I don't need a bunch of people out their against me, for another reason besides to compete.

Gaining an advantage, is done in many forms. Word spreads quickly as to who and what, it does'nt take a person long to figure people out if you pay attention. Even then you can't change people, they are who they are and do what they do. I just stay clear of them, knowing sometimes it be guilty by association.

[sdfishing]

If the guy said he had a motor problems, and that was why he was on the phone, and then fired up and left....when exactly would you have asked for his name? Are you going to yell and scream at him..."STOP, STOP, your lying, your motor seems to be ok...STOP"!

[Dr. Walleyes]

Good point...once he's gone he's gone. Same could be said about trying to read the name on his motor, If you waited for him to take off to try to read it you would be SOL as well.... I figured he would of thought it was fishy as soon as he saw the guy on the cell phone.

The thing is, all he had to do is get on the marine radio or cell phone as soon as soon as you saw the guy on the phone. Report the problem and describe the individual to Sonny and it would of been resolved. He was able to remember and describe the whole situation here, but did nothing at the tournament? I would understand where he was coming from if he said he did all that and they couldn't find the guy, but to not report it...that's weak.

[Dr. Walleyes]

>>If you look at the rules and a guy that tries to do what your
>discribing and is seen, he will be protested. That is
>communication and that pro can be DQed for it. It sounds like
>your looking for a way to get an unfair advantage and use it!
>Any Co-Angler can see this violation and should report it.
>
>>If you look at the rules and a guy that tries to do what your
>discribing and is seen, he will be protested. That is
>communication and that pro can be DQed for it. It sounds like
>your looking for a way to get an unfair advantage and use it!
>Any Co-Angler can see this violation and should report it.

- I did read the rules, You need to read them again and you may understand what I have written.
"During competition hours from takeoff until check-in, all on-water communication by contestants (excluding their co-angler) with other contestants pertaining to:
1. method or type of presentations being used,
2.lure selection or color and
3.location of fish or type of water being fished is strictly prohibited" - flwoutdoors.com

You can still ask how many fish somebody else has caught.
There is nothing illegal for watching someone else reel in a line, so what can you protest? Anglers check lines regularly to ensure the lines are not fouled...don't you? Please enlighten me to what rule has been broken here?


I don't fish in team so you accusation is pretty far off base. Besides the fact, why would I write about this on here if I was going to do this.

However I know how teams work and I know members of various teams. Team collaboration is still possible with some planning with this rule change. A plan can be established to have team member A leave a spot at 10am if he's not catching anything and go to another spot where team member B is fishing. He can ask team member B if he has any fish. If yes, then he stays, if no then he goes to team member C's spot. If team member C is not to spot B by 10:30 then his spot is going as well. If not then he goes to B then A. Heck he doesn't even need to ask how many fish his team member has caught if he's not there when he gets there at the specified time.

Point is there are obviously ways for teams to work together during a tournament day and still do it within the current rules. It's naive to think otherwise. Some locations and presentations will allow this to be more effective and efficient, however it is still feasible to do on many bodies of water.

[Juls]

Dr. Walleyes,
That's exactly the reason the FLW didn't see a need to change the rules in years past. The scenarios you mention are unenforcable, unless it's blatantly abused and witnessed.

The anglers wanted the rule put in place, and the FLW gave them what they wanted.
So, now it's up to the anglers to be professionals and live by the rules. Can they? We'll see.


Juls

[Real Pro]

>>>If you look at the rules and a guy that tries to do what
>your
>>discribing and is seen, he will be protested. That is
>>communication and that pro can be DQed for it. It sounds
>like
>>your looking for a way to get an unfair advantage and use
>it!
>>Any Co-Angler can see this violation and should report it.
>>
>>>If you look at the rules and a guy that tries to do what
>your
>>discribing and is seen, he will be protested. That is
>>communication and that pro can be DQed for it. It sounds
>like
>>your looking for a way to get an unfair advantage and use
>it!
>>Any Co-Angler can see this violation and should report it.
>
>- I did read the rules, You need to read them again and you
>may understand what I have written.
>"During competition hours from takeoff until check-in, all
>on-water communication by contestants (excluding their
>co-angler) with other contestants pertaining to:
>1. method or type of presentations being used,
>2.lure selection or color and
>3.location of fish or type of water being fished is strictly
>prohibited" - flwoutdoors.com
>
>You can still ask how many fish somebody else has caught.
>There is nothing illegal for watching someone else reel in a
>line, so what can you protest? Anglers check lines regularly
>to ensure the lines are not fouled...don't you? Please
>enlighten me to what rule has been broken here?
>
>
>I don't fish in team so you accusation is pretty far off base.
>Besides the fact, why would I write about this on here if I
>was going to do this.
>
>However I know how teams work and I know members of various
>teams. Team collaboration is still possible with some
>planning with this rule change. A plan can be established to
>have team member A leave a spot at 10am if he's not catching
>anything and go to another spot where team member B is
>fishing. He can ask team member B if he has any fish. If yes,
>then he stays, if no then he goes to team member C's spot. If
>team member C is not to spot B by 10:30 then his spot is going
>as well. If not then he goes to B then A. Heck he doesn't
>even need to ask how many fish his team member has caught if
>he's not there when he gets there at the specified time.
>
>Point is there are obviously ways for teams to work together
>during a tournament day and still do it within the current
>rules. It's naive to think otherwise. Some locations and
>presentations will allow this to be more effective and
>efficient, however it is still feasible to do on many bodies
>of water.


If a boat pulls up and ask's how many fish he has ,thats giving info on the Location of fish.

If as that boat is right there and he pulls up his baitsthat obvious to anyone he's telling Presentation and lure.

This will be explained to all the entrants and they will be DQ'd if seen violating the "SPIRIT" of the rule.

[Dr. Walleyes]

Yup, it's also a matter of interpretation of the rules. It would be interesting to hear which scenarios are within the spirit of the rule and which would be an infraction.

[Juls]

The "spirit of the rule" is an easy one to interpret...zero, zip, nada, NO communication of fishing info while the tournament is still in progress.

In other words...don't cheat! :popcorn:

I'd like to think that this world still holds more honest people than not.

Juls

[Dr. Walleyes]

>If a boat pulls up and ask's how many fish he has ,thats
>giving info on the Location of fish.
>
>If as that boat is right there and he pulls up his baitsthat
>obvious to anyone he's telling Presentation and lure.
>
>Anyone with any small hint of inteligence will see thru that.
>
>This will be explained to all the entrants and they will be
>DQ'd if seen violating the "SPIRIT" of the rule.



My favorite part of your post is the insult on my intelligence ....er "inteligence" ;)

Talk to a PWT pro sometime or even the heads of the NPAA. The PWT has a similar rule, not to share "fishing info" during the tourney hours. However they can ask "how many fish?" to another participant. It's legal and it happens. Maybe (hopefully) it will be interpreted and enforced differently in the FLW.

The other scenario I described involves no on the water communication, however info is still communicated by either a boat being in a spot or not being there at a specified time. There is no rule prohibiting that and even there was it could never be enforced unless a member of team was to spill the beans about a plan.

People pull baits out of the water all the time for various reasons. I was pack fishing a tour event on a river and had caught 4 fish in 20 minutes. 5 boats within close proximity had caught nothing on the same drift. Do you think any of those boats took a look at what I was using? Should they of been disqualified for trying to switch to the same bait? Should I have been disqualified for communicating info if I left a bait out of the water too long? How do you know if any of them were on my "team"? You don't have disclose if you have any team collaboration prior to a tournament.

I'm not even going to go into all of the non verbal forms of communication or code words that could be used to share info as these are clearly rule violations. There is just a huge gray area as is demonstrated by the posts on here.

[Dr. Walleyes]

What is "fishing info"?

Is asking someone, "how's it going?" asking for fishing info?

Before you answer that if I know they say "OK" it means 0 fish, "Good" 1-2 fish, "Great" 3-4fish, "Excellent" 5fish and I'm culling?

Just playing devil's advocate here.

[Juls]

Yep, I'm not arguing with you Dr. You're correct, when you say it's not going to stop. Just a guess on my part, but I highly doubt you will see anyone DQ'd for it this season either.

There are good apples and bad apples, and it only takes one bad apple to ruin the pie. ;)


Juls

[protest]

The real problem lies with people, some think rules are ment to be streched others feel or have a different concept.

In order for rules to work, at some point and time someone has to be punished.

People read the rules and the 1st thing they seem to be thinking is "how can I get around that" instead of OK now I have to just beat all the other people fishing. They try their hardest to figure out ways to get the upper hand. When you go to that extreme there is no turning back (because chances are you have had some success doing that way)

At the end of the day, I for one would'nt be proud, but I know guys that would!

No matter the tour the fields will never be level, no matter the rules nor the contestants. You will always have the guys or the groups willing to anything to ensure success! It could be as simple as hand signals or times to meet, or as simple as just following the boats, it's never gonna change and as the money gets higher and the sponsor dollars get richer it will get worse.

[FLW PRO]

I can help you all out on the name issue I was fishing the PWT when this all went down. PWT at tournaments was getting complaints of pros he did this he did that. PWT DIRECTORS question what kind of a boat was he driving what kind of a motor did he have to find out not only was the boat to small but the motor was too!so rather then argue with a person about the pwt pros. PWT madeit mandatory you have your name on your motor or you are DQUED FOR THE DAY OR TOURNAMENT NEW RULE 1996 . nOW WHEN THEY GET Acomplaint i'ts what was the name on the motor no name sorry all our pros have names on their motors it was'nt one of ours if you can give us a name we will be happy to take care of your complaint.IT NOT ONLY HELPED LOCALS IT WAS GOOD FOR ALL US PROS WE KNOW MOST BUT NOT ALL NOW WE COULD SEE A NAME TO REPORT IF THERE WAS A VIOLATION. THERE HAS BEEN TIMES ON THE FLW I seen someone doing wrong and did'nt know them and they got away with it.a name on the motor they would'nt. how would you like to be beat out of a spot in money or the win due to acheater .I'VE always said if i have to cheat to do it, thats when i'll hang it up!I'd rather be a loser! So names on our motors would be a good thing. I'd rather turn in a cheater then let them beat US! FLW PRO CHUCK TIPTON JR. GOOD LUCK THIS YEAR EVERYONE!!!!

[Just an observation]

Wouldn't it be nice if some of us would spend as much time attempting to adhere to the rules as trying to figure a way around them?

[dpd]

As a CO, if I am fishing with a pro that is DQ'd do I still get credit for the weight or am I DQ'd with him?

[Juls]

That's a good question. I would think the answer would depend on the nature of the DQ. For example, if the pro were DQ'd for running WOT in a no wake zone, I could see the co angler keeping his/her weight.
But, if the nature of the DQ, or rule that was broken, was one that enabled the pro/co both to garnish a bigger weight, then I see that as an unfair advantage for the co who is competing against the other co's for prize money.

It's kind of a catch 22.
On one hand the co anglers must be willing to turn in their pros for any infraction of the rules. That is the only way to keep the playing field level. They must be the "eyes and ears" for the organization, since they are also "observer/partners" in the Pro's boats.

But, on the other hand, if a co angler is to be punished along with the pro, then I think most will find it in their best interest to stay quiet.

So, I think it's all going to come down to what the infraction was, as to whether or not a co angler would be able to keep the days weight.

Question for you (example):
If a pro and co bring in a huge weight, because an infraction of the rules helped them to achieve that, and the co angler did nothing to stop the Pro from breaking that rule...(let's use culling in a no cull state for this example)...Is it fair to the other co anglers for that co angler to keep his/her weight?

See what I mean?

Juls

[koenigsfeld]

Juls,

Doesn't Sonny or Kevin always state at the rules meeting that if a Co reports an infraction from their Pro that the Co gets to keep their weight?

[Juls]

Maybe? That could be...I'm usually mentally fishing the tournament by the time dinner is over, and I'm just listening for my name, and then boat number, and when I hear my boat number I forget my name...;)

I'll have to ask Sonny that question next time I talk to him.

Juls

[Stacker1]

Very good point on the names. Last year on the wolf river I was running around with press in my boat, a 20ft Tuffy. we went by Johnny candle at mid range throttle, he was at slow no wake when I did not have to be in the sandy banks area of the river. Johnny was standing looking for my name on the motor. I am sure wanted to turn me in. Then he seen no name and the camera, and of course he started smiling. But that would have been one of the cases.

As far the co-anglers turning people in, thats a rock and a hard place. I will stay out of that.

[dpd]

Juls
Yes culling in a no cull state would be a major infraction and something should be said to the Pro at right at the time he does it. But if he is an SOB and does it anyways and you turn him in you just screwed yourself also cause now you will get no weight also. As a co sometimes it is a loose loose situation.
Lets say it is a rules infraction you have no control over. You are jig fishing on the Detroit in the back of the boat paying close attention to what you are doing. Next thing the Pro is on the phone with a buddie getting info on the presentation that is catching bigger fish. You already have your 5 fish (you are fishing the Mi. side were you can cull) He makes a lure change and bangs a 5 bigger fish than what you have in the well. Now what happens? You say something to tournament dir. Now you just got penalized the 10 lbs you had in the boat before you upgraded to 30. and it costs you a check because of it. As a Co you did nothing wrong but turn him in at the end of the day.
I know that it is not fair to the other CO's!!
You screwed yourself!!!
What do you do????
Did someone else see him on the phone that is going to turn him in????

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Sometimes it is tough being the Co.


Thanks
Dan

[Dr. Walleyes]

In your hypothetical situation you have to ask yourself one question. Should I cheat or should I play by the rules? If you don't report it you cheated plain and simple. You are also committing fraud when you sign your initials at the bump tank...So is the check worth your integrity and reputation?

[Juls]

Bingo! That's exactly "it" Dr.!

Juls

[dpd]

Never thought of it that way. You are correct. I hope I never have to turn in my boater for doing something against the rules.

Thanks
dan

[dpd]

Never thought of it that way. You are correct. I hope I never have to turn in my boater for doing something against the rules.

Thanks
dan

[David Kraft]

Well put Dr. W. One of the main reasons for drawing for a partner is to make sure that rules are followed. I have asked several co's if they would report a violation if they observed one. Most, but not all, have said that they would NOT report a violation. When asked why, they replied that they did not want to get a rep of being a tattle-tail.

PWT and FLW both must start repeating at the rules meetings that it is expected that violations will not be tolerated, that the co's should report all violations, and that the co's will not lose their weight if they do report. Then, PWT and FLW must make sure that they follow up on all reports of violations. Both PWT and FLW have not done a very good job of following up on violations.

We have to have rules, and intent of rules, that are followed.

Dave Kraft

[David Kraft]

Well put Dr. W. One of the main reasons for drawing for a partner is to make sure that rules are followed. I have asked several co's if they would report a violation if they observed one. Most, but not all, have said that they would NOT report a violation. When asked why, they replied that they did not want to get a rep of being a tattle-tail.

PWT and FLW both must start repeating at the rules meetings that it is expected that violations will not be tolerated, that the co's should report all violations, and that the co's will not lose their weight if they do report. Then, PWT and FLW must make sure that they follow up on all reports of violations. Both PWT and FLW have not done a very good job of following up on violations.

We have to have rules, and intent of rules, that are followed.

Dave Kraft

[duh]

"Both PWT and FLW have not done a very good job of following up on violations."
Well said Mr. Kraft most have heard the stories.

[duh]

"Both PWT and FLW have not done a very good job of following up on violations."
Well said Mr. Kraft most have heard the stories.

[Dr Walleyes]

>"Both PWT and FLW have not done a very good job of following
>up on violations."
>Well said Mr. Kraft most have heard the stories.
>
It's scary how many stories you hear and read about where they aren't reporting the violations. You hear all kinds of excuses, why they didn't report them but they didn't even try. You can't hold the tourney directors responsible for what they don't even know about. I'd bet money that 99% of the stories you hear were never reported. Some don't even know all the rules!!! I heard of multiple guys using multiple hook harness and sliders in OH waters last year. With 2 harnesses on a line these guys had 4-6hooks when OH limits them to 3 hooks (OH regs state hooks, not lures or presentations). The guys that saw it didn't even know it was illegal. Maybe the guys doing it didn't know either, but they should of been DQ'd if they did it.

Granted it gets complex when you are talking about multiple states or countries being involved along with the tourney regs, but it's not rocket science.

Learn the regs and rules and report it when you see a violation. Otherwise don't complain, because you are also to blame.