Unhappy Pro/Am?

[AllenW]

Just wondering, read in one of the other posts of what I believe was a Amatur who fished with a Pro, and the Pro seemed to want abosulte silence in the boat.
I'm wondering what happens if the Pro/Am don't get a long, Pro gets to drop the Am off and fish alone or??

Seems like a chancy deal for the Am if that's the case.
Hard to ask questions or even move around in the boat it seems.

Understand the Pro is running the boat, but this might be a bit much?

Al

[AllenW]

Just wondering, read in one of the other posts of what I believe was a Amatur who fished with a Pro, and the Pro seemed to want abosulte silence in the boat.
I'm wondering what happens if the Pro/Am don't get a long, Pro gets to drop the Am off and fish alone or??

Seems like a chancy deal for the Am if that's the case.
Hard to ask questions or even move around in the boat it seems.

Understand the Pro is running the boat, but this might be a bit much?

Al

[FuzzyIL]

What tour? I would be surprised to hear you say the PWT. But sometimes people just don't get along. My Dad once told me, 'unless you are in the woods or on a lake, you are almost always within 100 yards of someone that think's you are an a**hole and someone you think is an a**hole'.

[FuzzyIL]

What tour? I would be surprised to hear you say the PWT. But sometimes people just don't get along. My Dad once told me, 'unless you are in the woods or on a lake, you are almost always within 100 yards of someone that think's you are an a**hole and someone you think is an a**hole'.

[T Mac]

Absolute silence?
There must have been something said or done to precipitate that.
Like with any group of people, in the Pro ranks there are a few control freaks.
I'd like to know the whole story, 'tho.

On the other hand...
Bet we all have a few friends that we wish would shut up for a while when we take them fishing. LOL!

[T Mac]

Absolute silence?
There must have been something said or done to precipitate that.
Like with any group of people, in the Pro ranks there are a few control freaks.
I'd like to know the whole story, 'tho.

On the other hand...
Bet we all have a few friends that we wish would shut up for a while when we take them fishing. LOL!

[Box]

>On the other hand...
>Bet we all have a few friends that we wish would shut up for a
>while when we take them fishing. LOL!

Ha! Yep :) When we bring my 10 year old Grandson to the lake, now it is my wife who makes sure I have the Gameboy all charged up so he will play it for part of the way up, as he jabbers the ENTIRE way up otherwise :+ Usually about fishing so I don't mind at all.

But I can't imagine somebody wanting total silence. Holy cow, what a miserable day on the water...

-Box

[Box]

>On the other hand...
>Bet we all have a few friends that we wish would shut up for a
>while when we take them fishing. LOL!

Ha! Yep :) When we bring my 10 year old Grandson to the lake, now it is my wife who makes sure I have the Gameboy all charged up so he will play it for part of the way up, as he jabbers the ENTIRE way up otherwise :+ Usually about fishing so I don't mind at all.

But I can't imagine somebody wanting total silence. Holy cow, what a miserable day on the water...

-Box

[Dave tw]

No, they do not get to drop them off and fish alone. The amateur has the right to fish, too.

They will all just have to grow up and learn to get along.

Yes, 8 hours could seem a long time when you don't like the guy/gal in the boat with you, but it can be done!

[Dave tw]

No, they do not get to drop them off and fish alone. The amateur has the right to fish, too.

They will all just have to grow up and learn to get along.

Yes, 8 hours could seem a long time when you don't like the guy/gal in the boat with you, but it can be done!

[superdog]

Some people like to hear themselves talk. I'm sure the pro has had a few that wouldn't shut up & had bad days because of it. Total silence I rather doubt that works out well for either. As long as the conversations are about the job at hand. The pro doesn't want to hear your life story, save that for when your waiting to get weighed. Beleive that thaere are plenty of co's that don't get it.

[superdog]

Some people like to hear themselves talk. I'm sure the pro has had a few that wouldn't shut up & had bad days because of it. Total silence I rather doubt that works out well for either. As long as the conversations are about the job at hand. The pro doesn't want to hear your life story, save that for when your waiting to get weighed. Beleive that thaere are plenty of co's that don't get it.

[Juls]

Heheh...

I've had both. From the Chatty Cathy that wanted to talk about their life, other people, or whatever...to those who were shy and hardly said a word all day.

Somewhere in between is perfect. ;)

Juls

[Juls]

Heheh...

I've had both. From the Chatty Cathy that wanted to talk about their life, other people, or whatever...to those who were shy and hardly said a word all day.

Somewhere in between is perfect. ;)

Juls

[FuzzyIL]

I had a guy once from Cleveland, we were on the Central Basin and on good fish. All he talked about all day was 'this is not the right spot' and pornography and porn stars. All day long he'd just blurt out
'you ever see any Suzie So and So videos?' 'she's really hot'. then he would start reciting porn star biographies and vital stats. It was like this guy was the historian of pornography. It went on all day about dozens and dozens of porn people. I'm no prude but c'mon and I never responded once like I was at all interested to encourage him.
Then after the wiegh in he was up in the top 10 or 15 or so - he told me he was gonna sue me because he thinks his back is injured from the ride in. Glad I have never seen that goof since that day.

[FuzzyIL]

I had a guy once from Cleveland, we were on the Central Basin and on good fish. All he talked about all day was 'this is not the right spot' and pornography and porn stars. All day long he'd just blurt out
'you ever see any Suzie So and So videos?' 'she's really hot'. then he would start reciting porn star biographies and vital stats. It was like this guy was the historian of pornography. It went on all day about dozens and dozens of porn people. I'm no prude but c'mon and I never responded once like I was at all interested to encourage him.
Then after the wiegh in he was up in the top 10 or 15 or so - he told me he was gonna sue me because he thinks his back is injured from the ride in. Glad I have never seen that goof since that day.

[AllenW]

Hopefully not commiting a mistake here, but his exact quote was
""""""

I fished with the guy who won the wackers this year a couple of years ago . He was so cautious about noise you couldn't speak all day. Not a word and the people that know me that is like pulling teeth.
The Springfield base squeaked twice and I thought he was going to slice his wrist.
"""""""

Wasn't so much about this paticular happening, but it got me thinking about what would happen if this came up, and what could be done.

I'm assuming this doesn't happen often as ya don't hear much about it, but it would make for a miserable day on the water, especially having to pay for that day.

And yes, its a slow day at work...:)

Al

[AllenW]

Hopefully not commiting a mistake here, but his exact quote was
""""""

I fished with the guy who won the wackers this year a couple of years ago . He was so cautious about noise you couldn't speak all day. Not a word and the people that know me that is like pulling teeth.
The Springfield base squeaked twice and I thought he was going to slice his wrist.
"""""""

Wasn't so much about this paticular happening, but it got me thinking about what would happen if this came up, and what could be done.

I'm assuming this doesn't happen often as ya don't hear much about it, but it would make for a miserable day on the water, especially having to pay for that day.

And yes, its a slow day at work...:)

Al

[FuzzyIL]

Your buddy shouldn't waste his time on tournements - his whole sense of priority is about him and not doing whatever is needed to put fish in the livewell.
Pro's put a lot of time, money and dedication to prepare for each event - a lot more than the am entry fee. They find a pattern and cling to it the best they can, if noise blows the fish off a spot then his day may be done.
Is your buddy an serious angler or a beginner? I'll bet the latter.

[FuzzyIL]

Your buddy shouldn't waste his time on tournements - his whole sense of priority is about him and not doing whatever is needed to put fish in the livewell.
Pro's put a lot of time, money and dedication to prepare for each event - a lot more than the am entry fee. They find a pattern and cling to it the best they can, if noise blows the fish off a spot then his day may be done.
Is your buddy an serious angler or a beginner? I'll bet the latter.

[Fish_on]

First of all the "wackers" probably means the wave wacker tournament which is a team tournement, so that is not the issue.

For what it is worth, I have fished about 20 days as a pro in tournaments and all but one of the ams I had was terrific, matter of fact I have become friends with the majority of them. But I had one guy at the FLW in Bay de Noc this year that turned it into a Loooooong day. I was so glad to drop him off at the end of the day. He was so self-absorbed that I have no doubt he has no clue what a miserable day he made it for me.

[Fish_on]

First of all the "wackers" probably means the wave wacker tournament which is a team tournement, so that is not the issue.

For what it is worth, I have fished about 20 days as a pro in tournaments and all but one of the ams I had was terrific, matter of fact I have become friends with the majority of them. But I had one guy at the FLW in Bay de Noc this year that turned it into a Loooooong day. I was so glad to drop him off at the end of the day. He was so self-absorbed that I have no doubt he has no clue what a miserable day he made it for me.

[FuzzyIL]

The PWT does a good job of making sure the pro's treat the am's with
respect and make the day an nice as possible. The PWT had some growing pains with these issues in the early years and many of the less aimiable are onto other things these days.
I'm sure the FLW does as well.

The reported 'complaint' here seems more like whining about conditions rather than a undesireble action by a pro angler.

[FuzzyIL]

The PWT does a good job of making sure the pro's treat the am's with
respect and make the day an nice as possible. The PWT had some growing pains with these issues in the early years and many of the less aimiable are onto other things these days.
I'm sure the FLW does as well.

The reported 'complaint' here seems more like whining about conditions rather than a undesireble action by a pro angler.

[bradley894]

as one who likes to talk a bit.. and type a bit too much i am very quiet in the boat.. not sure about quiet as in knocking over a bucket or something , im saying i dont talk much,, in a tournament im almost two quiet,, ive had my partner or my son get the impression i was upset or mad at them because im too quiet... im just trying to fucus , toon in to whats goin on around me ,, so i make it a point to stop for a min , try to remember a joke or a story to tell , an hour or two can pass quickly in a tournament , if its a tuff bite and your looking for a handful of good bites... when its busy on the water and your going threw a lot of fish there are plenty of smiles and teamwork , i love the storys on here about the ams and pros , the porn guy was nice... whats up with that guy? lol one time i had a guy get upset because i was bursting my bowmount down river with the current. drove him nuts.. on off , on off. worked out ok though ,, i found a deep pocket next to a feeder stream where there was very low current , kind of eddi.. i threw out the ancher ,, now he was upset because we were done vertical jiggin.. threw 2 split shots 8 inches up from the hook,, tail hooked a fat head and tosted it behind the boat , with everyone sliding by me the fish just wanted a minnow lookin back at them as the face into the current i guess, set up my second rod the same... i caught 6 fish before he got rigged,, spent too much time pouting .. in the next two hours we loaded up going threw all our minnows on fish,, got our ten leagals as it was about an 8 -14 inchers to 1 over 15 ,, only boat to limmit for the day and a nice little check.. now this was the first and last time i will take my brother -in- law in a tournament every christmas he tells the story of the big tournament win.. lil Bar neer the wiconsin river where he has a place for the summer ,,, takes all kinds i guess ,, and yes he did catch the biggest fish of the day,, ill give him that.. keep the stories commin i like them..

[bradley894]

as one who likes to talk a bit.. and type a bit too much i am very quiet in the boat.. not sure about quiet as in knocking over a bucket or something , im saying i dont talk much,, in a tournament im almost two quiet,, ive had my partner or my son get the impression i was upset or mad at them because im too quiet... im just trying to fucus , toon in to whats goin on around me ,, so i make it a point to stop for a min , try to remember a joke or a story to tell , an hour or two can pass quickly in a tournament , if its a tuff bite and your looking for a handful of good bites... when its busy on the water and your going threw a lot of fish there are plenty of smiles and teamwork , i love the storys on here about the ams and pros , the porn guy was nice... whats up with that guy? lol one time i had a guy get upset because i was bursting my bowmount down river with the current. drove him nuts.. on off , on off. worked out ok though ,, i found a deep pocket next to a feeder stream where there was very low current , kind of eddi.. i threw out the ancher ,, now he was upset because we were done vertical jiggin.. threw 2 split shots 8 inches up from the hook,, tail hooked a fat head and tosted it behind the boat , with everyone sliding by me the fish just wanted a minnow lookin back at them as the face into the current i guess, set up my second rod the same... i caught 6 fish before he got rigged,, spent too much time pouting .. in the next two hours we loaded up going threw all our minnows on fish,, got our ten leagals as it was about an 8 -14 inchers to 1 over 15 ,, only boat to limmit for the day and a nice little check.. now this was the first and last time i will take my brother -in- law in a tournament every christmas he tells the story of the big tournament win.. lil Bar neer the wiconsin river where he has a place for the summer ,,, takes all kinds i guess ,, and yes he did catch the biggest fish of the day,, ill give him that.. keep the stories commin i like them..

[AllenW]

First off, this wasn't my buddy, haven't a clue who he is and where he fishes.
From what he says, the pro was way over the edge if a seat squeaking is going to set him off, this is far different than somebody rambling incessantly about better spots, how he'd fish, porn sites or just rambling about anything and everything, this guy evedently wanted total silence, might be his right as a pro, but I sure wouldn't want to fish with him, nor do I think most normal people would.
Also just hearing one side of the story always makes it a bit questionable..but

More importantly I was asking what happens when two like this get together, and it appears they just put up with each other for the day.

Pro/ams seem to be popular and doing well, so they must work, which would tell me people like this pro are not the norm.

Al

[AllenW]

First off, this wasn't my buddy, haven't a clue who he is and where he fishes.
From what he says, the pro was way over the edge if a seat squeaking is going to set him off, this is far different than somebody rambling incessantly about better spots, how he'd fish, porn sites or just rambling about anything and everything, this guy evedently wanted total silence, might be his right as a pro, but I sure wouldn't want to fish with him, nor do I think most normal people would.
Also just hearing one side of the story always makes it a bit questionable..but

More importantly I was asking what happens when two like this get together, and it appears they just put up with each other for the day.

Pro/ams seem to be popular and doing well, so they must work, which would tell me people like this pro are not the norm.

Al

[sir squeaky]

WHat were the conditions? Who knows perhaps site fishing or sitting on a shallow chunk of structure with calm waters? Either that or the guy was being polite in his own way styaing within the rules, rather than telling the JO where to go just before losing it and throwiing your rambling friend or hearsay person directly out of the boat.

Actually me thinks you're making this BS up...again more speculation.

[sir squeaky]

WHat were the conditions? Who knows perhaps site fishing or sitting on a shallow chunk of structure with calm waters? Either that or the guy was being polite in his own way styaing within the rules, rather than telling the JO where to go just before losing it and throwiing your rambling friend or hearsay person directly out of the boat.

Actually me thinks you're making this BS up...again more speculation.

[FuzzyIL]

My bad - I thought from your first post this guy was a buddy.
Either way I still think if the pro wants silence while on top of hump or whereever then the am should respect that. If the pro has a problem with a squeaky swivel seat then he should darn we fix that one himself or replace it. That's in his control.
Now if they are running from spot A to B and the pro still demands silence well then I would consider that rather unfriendly.
I guess it all comes down to what you said - they just have to tough it out for the day if there are personality clashes.

One time I did see an Am demand to be let out of the boat after a 50 mile run in 5-6 footers. So the pro had to burn time to run him to a nearby resort, call the tourney HQ and arrange for an alternate Am. His day was shot because a Am signed up without considering the extreme conditions faced frequently in walleye tourneys.

[FuzzyIL]

My bad - I thought from your first post this guy was a buddy.
Either way I still think if the pro wants silence while on top of hump or whereever then the am should respect that. If the pro has a problem with a squeaky swivel seat then he should darn we fix that one himself or replace it. That's in his control.
Now if they are running from spot A to B and the pro still demands silence well then I would consider that rather unfriendly.
I guess it all comes down to what you said - they just have to tough it out for the day if there are personality clashes.

One time I did see an Am demand to be let out of the boat after a 50 mile run in 5-6 footers. So the pro had to burn time to run him to a nearby resort, call the tourney HQ and arrange for an alternate Am. His day was shot because a Am signed up without considering the extreme conditions faced frequently in walleye tourneys.

[Burr]

Al, the Wacker tourney, as mentioned, is a team tourney. Which makes it all the more interesting to ponder. They chose to be in the boat with each other - and found themselves not too compatable.

I fished a tournament with a friend I fished with all the time, and we both found that we should not be in the boat with each other during a tournament. It didn't work out as well as it could have, and we managed to keep our friendship for several years after that tourney. We fished together great, but we didn't make good tournament partners.

Probably the most extreme pro-am accounts I've heard - and it really is rare to have a bad experience - is an am that was not allowed to reel in fish he was hooking, all day, when they got back to the dock and the pro tossed the am his keys to back the trailer in - the am got off on the dock, tossed the keys back in the boat, and suggested he could load his boat by himself as well.

Another account, was a pro who said his am advised him prior to the start of the day - that he was not going to be much help in the boat that day. As it turned out, he was not. The pro said the only mistake he made is he should have asked for the am to be replaced before the day started - cuz it was a bad experience. Can't recall the reason - but it was something like being ill, or sea-sick.

[Burr]

Al, the Wacker tourney, as mentioned, is a team tourney. Which makes it all the more interesting to ponder. They chose to be in the boat with each other - and found themselves not too compatable.

I fished a tournament with a friend I fished with all the time, and we both found that we should not be in the boat with each other during a tournament. It didn't work out as well as it could have, and we managed to keep our friendship for several years after that tourney. We fished together great, but we didn't make good tournament partners.

Probably the most extreme pro-am accounts I've heard - and it really is rare to have a bad experience - is an am that was not allowed to reel in fish he was hooking, all day, when they got back to the dock and the pro tossed the am his keys to back the trailer in - the am got off on the dock, tossed the keys back in the boat, and suggested he could load his boat by himself as well.

Another account, was a pro who said his am advised him prior to the start of the day - that he was not going to be much help in the boat that day. As it turned out, he was not. The pro said the only mistake he made is he should have asked for the am to be replaced before the day started - cuz it was a bad experience. Can't recall the reason - but it was something like being ill, or sea-sick.

[AllenW]

>WHat were the conditions? Who knows perhaps site fishing or
>sitting on a shallow chunk of structure with calm waters?
>Either that or the guy was being polite in his own way styaing
>within the rules, rather than telling the JO where to go just
>before losing it and throwiing your rambling friend or hearsay
>person directly out of the boat.
>
>Actually me thinks you're making this BS up...again more
>speculation.

Yup made it up just to PO you off, don't give yourself that much credit, read....

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=390827&mode=full

And he's not my friend, you evidently can't read, that much isn't speculation.

Al

[AllenW]

>WHat were the conditions? Who knows perhaps site fishing or
>sitting on a shallow chunk of structure with calm waters?
>Either that or the guy was being polite in his own way styaing
>within the rules, rather than telling the JO where to go just
>before losing it and throwiing your rambling friend or hearsay
>person directly out of the boat.
>
>Actually me thinks you're making this BS up...again more
>speculation.

Yup made it up just to PO you off, don't give yourself that much credit, read....

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=390827&mode=full

And he's not my friend, you evidently can't read, that much isn't speculation.

Al

[ibfshn2]

I had the opportunity to fish with 3 great pros on the Escanaba PWT..I learned some new trolling tricks and made some new freinds..I think they call them PROS for a reason,so i didn't feel the need to give a PRO any advice on fishing..lol Although one rookie pro asked me some questions about fishing Lake Erie..I think he already new the answers and was maybe trying to make me feel good about me giving him advice or tips...Can Juls or someone that fishes FLW tell me how they pay the amateurs??? And how to sign up??? And 1 more thing.. Hope i'm not out of line... What is up with PROS asking the amateurs for gas money??? Is that supposed to happen??? I thought i payed the PWT for my guided trip on Bays De Noc for 3 days!!! Thanx ED

[ibfshn2]

I had the opportunity to fish with 3 great pros on the Escanaba PWT..I learned some new trolling tricks and made some new freinds..I think they call them PROS for a reason,so i didn't feel the need to give a PRO any advice on fishing..lol Although one rookie pro asked me some questions about fishing Lake Erie..I think he already new the answers and was maybe trying to make me feel good about me giving him advice or tips...Can Juls or someone that fishes FLW tell me how they pay the amateurs??? And how to sign up??? And 1 more thing.. Hope i'm not out of line... What is up with PROS asking the amateurs for gas money??? Is that supposed to happen??? I thought i payed the PWT for my guided trip on Bays De Noc for 3 days!!! Thanx ED

[Juls]

>Can Juls or someone that fishes FLW tell me how they
>pay the amateurs??? And how to sign up??? And 1 more thing..
>Hope i'm not out of line... What is up with PROS asking the
>amateurs for gas money??? Is that supposed to happen??? I
>thought i payed the PWT for my guided trip on Bays De Noc for
>3 days!!! Thanx ED


http://walleyetour.flwoutdoors.com/static/2007/WalleyeTourBrochureRevised.pdf

See the FLW Walleye Tour Brochure in the link above. It has all the information you seek regarding the FLW events, payouts, and how to sign up to fish it, etc.


As for your other question...that subject has been hashed out here many times over the years. A simple search will yeild you several threads on the subject. :)

Juls
p.s. I did a search with the word "tips" and found this one. This thread wasn't too long ago and there are 46 replies to it, so that should give you a good read on the subject of offering the pro some money at the end of the day.

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=13&topic_id=23209&mode=full

[Juls]

>Can Juls or someone that fishes FLW tell me how they
>pay the amateurs??? And how to sign up??? And 1 more thing..
>Hope i'm not out of line... What is up with PROS asking the
>amateurs for gas money??? Is that supposed to happen??? I
>thought i payed the PWT for my guided trip on Bays De Noc for
>3 days!!! Thanx ED


http://walleyetour.flwoutdoors.com/static/2007/WalleyeTourBrochureRevised.pdf

See the FLW Walleye Tour Brochure in the link above. It has all the information you seek regarding the FLW events, payouts, and how to sign up to fish it, etc.


As for your other question...that subject has been hashed out here many times over the years. A simple search will yeild you several threads on the subject. :)

Juls
p.s. I did a search with the word "tips" and found this one. This thread wasn't too long ago and there are 46 replies to it, so that should give you a good read on the subject of offering the pro some money at the end of the day.

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=13&topic_id=23209&mode=full

[Ristorapper]

A little story about a Pro that turned to me and said something to the effect, "you can sit down you know". About the only words we had all day.

The setting is in the 90's on the Missouri River during one of the many PWT Championships held there. I know many of the pros will know of where I speak because a good number of the 50 or so boats were crowded in an area under a bridge at Beaver Bay south of Bismarck on this particular day. The fish were active in 8 to 17 feet of water from what I remember. I should state to those that do not know that I was an observer in the boat not an active participant fishing. Of the 17 boats on this spot most pros were jigging with two rods. It doesn't take long to bring a fish up from those depths and I wanted to be ready and not miss a fish. I'm sure I was more nervous of netting the fish than the pro was of me standing up right behind him, each of my elbows resting on the windshield.

From what I recall we had three fish in the livewell and the bite wasn't exactly fast and furious, just steady. Of the 17 boats in the area I could turn my head everytime there was commotion in another boat and watch them net a fish. It was kinda neat. A little bit of jabber between pros but mostly dead silence as the pros were focused and the observers were ready with the nets. It was all business and then my pro turns to me and says, "you can sit down, you know".

There was no way in heck I was gonna be the talk of 32 or 33 witnesses that I missed a fish in the net cause I couldn't get there in time when the pro had the fish on top of the water waiting for the net. Weren't gonna be me. Sorry pro, no sitting for me unless you demand it. Not sure if I was making him nervous but I stated I was used to standing and remained so as not to miss a fish.

We ended up being about the 14th boat to leave the area with a limit and am happy to say I/we didn't miss a fish. It was a quiet day on the water and I'm guessing because there were so many boats in a such a small spot that not a lot was said. Anglers opened up a little as they got closer to a limit of fish and just before they blasted back to the takeoff site.

I guess the reason I bring up the story is that I always in my Championship observer or PWT am outings, always let the Pro control the conversation. When we were fishing (as an am) I was focused on the task at hand. When I was observing, I had the net ready and did never once want to miss a fish. Talking can break that focus, so I was never one to speak unless spoken to other that to state "fish on".

The story related above was with a reveared pro I will never forget. Norb Wallock was a true grit pro. I for the life of me can only remember those words that he spoke to me during the entire day. I don't recall how exactly he called for the net but in most cases I saw him set the hook. I was busy watching/learning anything I could pick up.

It was a quiet day. I'm sure we made some chit chat after the fifth fish was in the well and then we too blasted back to the launch site.

From what I remember Norb had a bout with food poisioning that weekend and had a rough next day. But I do remember the day and the man. FOCUSED. God bless your soul Norb Wallock and rest in peace.

I cherish the autographed hat he gave to me that morning in his truck. Every time I look at that hat it brings back the memories of the day on the water with him. Those are days worth remembering.

[KTurner UL]

Ristorapper - thanks for sharing! If there's one pro's writing that I enjoyed and learned more from then any other it was Mr. Norb Wallock. There was always something about the way he parsed his words that intrigued me to further pursue my passion for competitive walleye angling. He's one of the pros I wished I could have met as he seemed like the ultimate professional but yet very down to earth. I'm sure I fall way short of the legacy he's left behind but in some small way I hope I can etch my own mark in anglers that share my boat with me...... Kurt

[Fish_on]

Cool story.

[bradley894]

great story agian ,, an Norb will never be forgottn.. i met him only once at a launch he was pre-fishing, nothing but a good impression on me is what Norb left... i remember one of my first issues of walleye-insider and the photos from that tournament stick in my head to this day,, i think it was one of those photoes that hooked me on this game... as a recall it was a big day for Northland tackle ,, Peterson was it ? not sure but the photos of all those boats on top of each other , all the gear and nice rigs (at the time) i think that was what got me to put two rods in my hand and order up gary and kieths jigging vidio. lol thanks for the memories. id love to hear more... guys like the late Gary Gray and Norb and Gofron and Skarlis and of course Seelhof and Roach, what about Harsh and Probst sr. my old vetrin buddy told me a story once about an early MWC on leach i think... everyone was catching fish but it got windy and as every one was coming in for the weigh in thay passed Gary Roach just out from the launch... a mud line had formed and at the time not many knew about how productive they could be.. when Mr walleye came in , he used an actual wheel barrel to bring his fish up the hill from the dock,, 80 lb catch for the day. in going to have to pick my buddys brain and get him to tell me that one again... i think it was Roach,, Probst? no im sure there are a few old school mwc guys on here that were there? thanks for the storys again though..

[great stories but lol]

The old MWC stories are quite interesting and are many.

But was there an "early" MWC at Leech? Was Skarlis and Gofron old enough to fish "early" events(0ver 20 years ago--more or less)? Did Seelhoff start fishing MWC before the '88 or '89 season---3-4 years into MWC? And has there ever been a six fish(walleye) limit caught that weighed 80lbs? Or even close to a 12lb. average? And weighed in at ANY tourney?

"Early to bed,
Early to rise,
Fish like h$ll,
to make up lies" lol

[bradley894]

>The old MWC stories are quite interesting and are many.
>
>But was there an "early" MWC at Leech? Was Skarlis and Gofron
>old enough to fish "early" events(0ver 20 years ago--more or
>less)? Did Seelhoff start fishing MWC before the '88 or '89
>season---3-4 years into MWC? And has there ever been a six
>fish(walleye) limit caught that weighed 80lbs? Or even close
>to a 12lb. average? And weighed in at ANY tourney?
>
>"Early to bed,
>Early to rise,
>Fish like h$ll,
> to make up lies" lol
no a good story is a good story,,, old mwc stuff is fair game, put a pwt tournament on the bay of green bay out of oconto in august give the pro a 6 fish limmit for the day and if you arent over 50 lbs a day you out of the money, many of these guys were doing walleye tournaments before the pwt flw showed up.. yes limmits were ten fish a day but even said 10 fish all 8 lb fish when every one else was bringing in 10 fish for 30 lbs was a big deal,, maybe it wasnt leach maybe either way im sure there wasnt a slot.. ill get the story tonight.. im sory but i like the history, grab your new rig and your big 250 pro-xs drive around an play big shooter.. i can to that too..ill listn to a good story from a young gun and enjoy but sit in class have a cold beer with the old school and enjoy,

[Jim Ordway]

I have fished 7 PWT events on the CO side and have found that you have to be aware that these folks have a lot on their minds while strategizing all day while concentrating on the bite at hand.
Some are talkative and some not, just as some COs are noisy or quiet.
You just have to remember you are both out there with the same objective and you should follow the Pro's lead regarding how chatty you should be. Remember the noisy kid at the table next to your's in the restaurant? You do not want to be that kid.
Just because they are not chatty does not mean they don't like you or appreciate your abilities, it just means they are focused and would appreciate the same from you.\
I prefer more discussion that makes it more of a learning experience.
For the most part, I have noticed, that the Pros that are guides talk more are more informative regarding techniques and I believe it is because that is how they fish every day.
Take care,

[AllenW]

Although this topic seemed to wander a bit at times, I thank those who responded.
I have a desire to get back into a little tournament fishing, but more so as a social event, I think it'd be best I shy away from random partner tourney's, as I don't feel it'd be fair to both the Pro or myself.

While I'm no chatty Cathy, I do like to chat a bit with whom ever I fish with and would find no pleasure in fishing with someone who's livelihood depends on catching fish, and has no time for socializing, even if only sporadic.

Different strokes for different folks.

Al...who's gonna go look for a Am/Am tourney...:)

[KHedquist]

I fished 2 FLW Leugue events as a co and 1 as a boter, the first co event the guy I was with nice talked abit, we conversed asked a few questions on what his program was etc. the second the guy was quieter but but stuck with fishing talk as needed, my first boater event the guy was a bit to chatty but I took it with a grain of salt and got over it.



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[KHedquist]

>Although this topic seemed to wander a bit at times, I thank
>those who responded.
>I have a desire to get back into a little tournament fishing,
>but more so as a social event, I think it'd be best I shy away
>from random partner tourney's, as I don't feel it'd be fair to
>both the Pro or myself.
>
>While I'm no chatty Cathy, I do like to chat a bit with whom
>ever I fish with and would find no pleasure in fishing with
>someone who's livelihood depends on catching fish, and has no
>time for socializing, even if only sporadic.
>
>Different strokes for different folks.
>
>Al...who's gonna go look for a Am/Am tourney...:)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Allen, I dont know when you put your boat away for the season? But Everts down on Pool 4 has Saugerama tournement this fall.



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[AllenW]

"""""""""""
Allen, I dont know when you put your boat away for the season? But Everts down on Pool 4 has Saugerama tournement this fall.
""""""""

Thanks, considering its a brand new boat, I'll probably go as late as I can.
I have done very little river fishing with a boat, but might be fun.

I should see ya in a few days up at Winnie, maybe ya can give me the details them, I'll buy the first beer... :)

Al

[bradley894]

see this is how rumors get started,, got my story strait now... it was an early mwc on ohahe, it wasnt roach it was bob probst, 12 fish limmit to win on the second day, back trolling in a lund, 80 or 90 lbs, and yes they used a wheel barrel to get the fish up to the top of the hill for the weigh in,, these sounded like great times.. another interesting fact from the weekend is appaerently Bob P sr, had picked up a nice truck camper and had the boat on the back for the weekend, my sources tell me it was the hot set up as most camped because the arei was under developed in the early eighties.. another interesting thing happend as bob sr. let bob jr. who was around 16 at the time not fishing the tourny but along with his dad pulled the camper and truck around and took out the overhang on the hotel. wondering if jr. can conferm this event.. anyway sounds like these were very good times , the local super club would have a fish fry and for a couple bucks cook up all the fellets that were braught in,, all the boys enjoyed a great feast... governors cup auction and all... he thinks this was one of the first mwc events as it was around the same time the otter street club and mwc went hand in hand on winnibago the weekend after the merc. i started in the late 80S so i missed out on this good fun.... but no it was ohahe and Bob P sr. and a catch that will never be forgotten ...

[more like it but]

Yes...some of those early Oahe (mid 80's) events had big fish days as described. Oahe had a big population those years and those catches were quite the norm. 5-8lb. fish were average with 10's not uncommon in many limits.

The camper ordeal with young Bobby was at Garrison N.D. in '87. The guys took up a collection for Bob to fix the camper etc.

Was there...

[bradley894]

thanks for the responce ,,, lost my dad when i was twenty one spent a lot of time togather with the family but not so much one on one time to get some of the old stories ,,, i was to busy chasing girls and stuff i guess.. i get them mixed up a bit , im 39 years old not young in my sons eyes but i try to take advantage of any invitation to hang with the old school i get... i just lap this stuff up like gravy on a piece of butter bread... i cant get enough . tell us more all knowing and seeing one.. tell us more.

[DLNDr]

I know a couple years ago on DL while fishing as an am I got to watch a little "action" in this regard. Dan Stier was near us and had an arrogant am from Jamestown ND. Dan's pretty intense and after a while finally had enough of his complaining. He told the idiot if he said one more word he was pulling stakes and heading back to the weigh in and wasn't going to weigh a fish just to screw the guy. The guy had gotten lucky the day before and since he'd fished DL before thought he knew EVERYTHING. The idiot started to mouth off once again, so Dan just started to pack up. Finally, the guy shut up. It was kind of fun to watch. There was a few boats around and all of us felt pretty bad for Dan. That day he had the amatuer from ####.

[AllenW]

"""""""""
That day he had the amateur from ####.
"""""

Just seems to show ya can get a few not so fun ones on both sides.

I think I'll stick with tourneys that ya pick your own partner, I'm not serious enough to play with the big boys...:)

Al.....who thinks he should start a Old Farts for Fun tourny...:)

[Nightie]

Ha Al,
I did pay for the entry fee all those years too.

You pay for the ride and they pee on your leg all day.

Stress affects people in different ways

[mabfish]

I should probably know better, but I feel compelled to chime in on this topic. I fished all 4 FLW events this year as a first year co-angler with my good friend, who is a good pro. While I am an avid walleye fisherman, I had no tournament experience at all. He just asked me one day if I wanted to do it, and I signed up. I did not even know until the first day tournament that coanglers won money, I was that green.

I cannot overstate what a great experience it has been from many standpoints. ALL of the pros that I fished with were true professionals. Each one was at a unique spot in their career, and that is what made it interesting and fun. I was fortunate enough to prefish with my pro, and got to spend time with other more experienced coanglers, who gave me some tips and advice on what to do and not do. I drew some big name pros like Jason P. and I fished with some new pros as well. I did not have the pleasure of fishing with Juls or Rick, but had some pleasent conversations with them none the less.

I think the coangling experience in the FLW is like anything else in life, it is what you chose to make of it. I chose to be friendly, courteous and helpful, and walked away with a new list of pals, and a much better fisherman for my efforts. I can give a great example of a day that could have gone wrong right off the bat. On day one at Devils, my pro and I arranged to meet on the water, since he had a slip. My pro was late getting to the line up, and in my panic of being late, I confused his otherwise very clear directions on where to find him. I could hear my name being paged as a ran from one dock to the next like a moron. When I finally found him, he was clearly mad, and he had every right to be. I looked him straight in the eye, and apologized for tardiness, and that now we were together I hoped we could get down to fishing, which we did. Pro that he is, that was the end of it. By the end of the day, Dave Kraft was a new friend, and even though it was a tough start and tough day to fish, we had a good day together. By the way, I dont think Dave would mind me sharing that he is a purple heart VFW, so next time you see him, maybe tell him thanks for his service to protect our freedom.

In the end, I would coangle again in a heartbeat, if for nothing else for the chance to spend some time on the water with some great people that are also great fishermen.

[mabfish]

I should probably know better, but I feel compelled to chime in on this topic. I fished all 4 FLW events this year as a first year co-angler with my good friend, who is a good pro. While I am an avid walleye fisherman, I had no tournament experience at all. He just asked me one day if I wanted to do it, and I signed up. I did not even know until the first day tournament that coanglers won money, I was that green.

I cannot overstate what a great experience it has been from many standpoints. ALL of the pros that I fished with were true professionals. Each one was at a unique spot in their career, and that is what made it interesting and fun. I was fortunate enough to prefish with my pro, and got to spend time with other more experienced coanglers, who gave me some tips and advice on what to do and not do. I drew some big name pros like Jason P. and I fished with some new pros as well. I did not have the pleasure of fishing with Juls or Rick, but had some pleasent conversations with them none the less.

I think the coangling experience in the FLW is like anything else in life, it is what you chose to make of it. I chose to be friendly, courteous and helpful, and walked away with a new list of pals, and a much better fisherman for my efforts. I can give a great example of a day that could have gone wrong right off the bat. On day one at Devils, my pro and I arranged to meet on the water, since he had a slip. My pro was late getting to the line up, and in my panic of being late, I confused his otherwise very clear directions on where to find him. I could hear my name being paged as a ran from one dock to the next like a moron. When I finally found him, he was clearly mad, and he had every right to be. I looked him straight in the eye, and apologized for tardiness, and that now we were together I hoped we could get down to fishing, which we did. Pro that he is, that was the end of it. By the end of the day, Dave Kraft was a new friend, and even though it was a tough start and tough day to fish, we had a good day together. By the way, I dont think Dave would mind me sharing that he is a purple heart VFW, so next time you see him, maybe tell him thanks for his service to protect our freedom.

In the end, I would coangle again in a heartbeat, if for nothing else for the chance to spend some time on the water with some great people that are also great fishermen.

[mabfish]

I left out another good example of a Pro who happens to be on this board pretty often. On day two at Bays, I drew Kurt Turner, who is a great guy and good stick. Towards the end of the day, I commited the ultimate co sin, and knocked loose a fish with the net. I was literally so upset, I had to sit down, and I was on the verge of tears. Kurt sees my dismay and disapointment, and proceeds to offer kind words and helps me get passed it so we can get back on fish. Now picture this, I knock the guys fish loose, and instead of knocking me in the water, he is helping me with my discouragement. Another good example of a pro that represents the sport well, because he is a good man doing good man things. Sorry again Kurt, and I was thrilled to see you made the cut anyway!

Mark Bray

[mabfish]

I left out another good example of a Pro who happens to be on this board pretty often. On day two at Bays, I drew Kurt Turner, who is a great guy and good stick. Towards the end of the day, I commited the ultimate co sin, and knocked loose a fish with the net. I was literally so upset, I had to sit down, and I was on the verge of tears. Kurt sees my dismay and disapointment, and proceeds to offer kind words and helps me get passed it so we can get back on fish. Now picture this, I knock the guys fish loose, and instead of knocking me in the water, he is helping me with my discouragement. Another good example of a pro that represents the sport well, because he is a good man doing good man things. Sorry again Kurt, and I was thrilled to see you made the cut anyway!

Mark Bray

[David Kraft]

Mark:

I still chuckle at watching you going from dock to dock looking for me at Devils Lake.

I was upset at your being late, but when you got in the boat and said that you were sorry for being late all of the tension left. We did have a good time together in the boat even though my program did not work.

You can share a day in by boat any time you wish.

I hope you will be fishing again next year.

Dave Kraft

[David Kraft]

Mark:

I still chuckle at watching you going from dock to dock looking for me at Devils Lake.

I was upset at your being late, but when you got in the boat and said that you were sorry for being late all of the tension left. We did have a good time together in the boat even though my program did not work.

You can share a day in by boat any time you wish.

I hope you will be fishing again next year.

Dave Kraft

[KTurner UL]

Mark - thanks for the kind words! I was disappointed to see you ended up on the bubble. That one fish would have given me an opportunity to spend a day on Erie with you where it was a bit choppy today but the fish didn't seem to mind......

Hopefully we can spend another day, or more, in the boat chasing old marble 'eyes.... Hopefully the bite'll be better then BDN so missing one or two wouldn't be so painful.

Keep an 'eye on the Cleveland leaderdoard. Hopefully I can be near the top. Been a fun first year in part to great people like yourself.

Wishing you the best......

Kurt

[KTurner UL]

Mark - thanks for the kind words! I was disappointed to see you ended up on the bubble. That one fish would have given me an opportunity to spend a day on Erie with you where it was a bit choppy today but the fish didn't seem to mind......

Hopefully we can spend another day, or more, in the boat chasing old marble 'eyes.... Hopefully the bite'll be better then BDN so missing one or two wouldn't be so painful.

Keep an 'eye on the Cleveland leaderdoard. Hopefully I can be near the top. Been a fun first year in part to great people like yourself.

Wishing you the best......

Kurt

[Fish_on]

Mark, people like you make it really easy to fish with a new co-angler each day. If every co-angler was like you there would never be any reason to complain about co's. Wish I could have given you the boost you needed.

Bernie Barringer

[MaB]

Thanks Kurt, I had a good smile realizing that fish did not cost you entry to big show. All of this waxing about the great guys I had a chance to fish with has got me thinking about going again next year. I need to be in Cleaveland on business this week, and I will be making my way to the tourney, I am sure. Might even sneak in a day of prefishing!

Best of luck this week and in the future,
MaB


>Mark - thanks for the kind words! I was disappointed to see
>you ended up on the bubble. That one fish would have given me
>an opportunity to spend a day on Erie with you where it was a
>bit choppy today but the fish didn't seem to mind......
>
>Hopefully we can spend another day, or more, in the boat
>chasing old marble 'eyes.... Hopefully the bite'll be better
>then BDN so missing one or two wouldn't be so painful.
>
>Keep an 'eye on the Cleveland leaderdoard. Hopefully I can be
>near the top. Been a fun first year in part to great people
>like yourself.
>
>Wishing you the best......
>
>Kurt

[MaBfish unlogged]

Thanks Bernie, I had to both smile and laugh when I read your reply. The smile was reflecting on a great day on the water, despite a tough bite, and the laugh was realizing the YOU are fishon. Like many guys, I read a lot on here, but dont post to frequently. I read many post by you, and didnt put it together that Bernie was fish on. Makes sense though, since you always have professional, and thoughtful stuff to say, just like you had for me on the Bays.

Actually, I was just talking about you last week with a guy I took fishing on Green Bay. We were using Wally pops and wedding rings, and I gave him the whole Mack pitch. It made me realize how these sponsorships really do work out for suppliers, since I bought the rigs we were fishing GB with at Sportsmans Wharehouse(who needs a little more Macks selection IMO)and this guy was headed for his local Gander in Rapids to see if he could find them. I was going to send you an email letting you know your efforts were spreading the word to the buying public, but could not find your email.

Thanks again Bernie,

Mark

>Mark, people like you make it really easy to fish with a new
>co-angler each day. If every co-angler was like you there
>would never be any reason to complain about co's. Wish I could
>have given you the boost you needed.
>
>Bernie Barringer

[MaBfish unlogged]

Great to here back from you Dave, best of luck this week. Your program worked just fine later, it was just a tough day to fish, but we pressed on, and I learned a lot. Thanks again, and hope to see you on the trail soon.

MaB

>Mark:
>
>I still chuckle at watching you going from dock to dock
>looking for me at Devils Lake.
>
>I was upset at your being late, but when you got in the boat
>and said that you were sorry for being late all of the tension
>left. We did have a good time together in the boat even
>though my program did not work.
>
>You can share a day in by boat any time you wish.
>
>I hope you will be fishing again next year.
>
>Dave Kraft