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Professional Walleye Trail
PWT News Release
Feb. 14, 2008
PWT 2008 Format Includes First CAN-AM,
4 Regional Tournaments in SD,AR, MI and WI
and a 2008 Championship Shootout
The In-Fisherman Professional Walleye Trail will venture north of the border to Dryden, Ontario, again this season.
Fishing Lake Wabigoon, the top Canadian pros will be matched against those from the United States to fish the first “artificials only”
major walleye tournament in North America.
Pro John Butts, who lives in Dryden, and is a previous PWT winner, is the Canadian team captain. The 2007 Angler of the Year, Gary Parsons, Glidden, Wisconsin, will captain the US team. Each captain will select his 25-member team.
They will be among the elite pro anglers in the walleye-fishing world from across the United States and Canada.
Once named, the team members will be profiled on the PWT and other web sites. They will comply with PWT rules, and
during the Can-Am they will be paired with amateurs/co-anglers, in the standard PWT pro-am format. Dates are Aug. 13-15.
The PWT season kicks off with the Mercury Championship May 16-18, in Bay City, Michigan. The top 50 qualifiers from 2007 will compete.
Many festival-like activities are set, including a Sport Show, in Bay City’s Veterans Park.
The four Regional Pro-Am tournaments, presented by Minn Kota, follow with a cash payday that could reach $65,000 for the winners and over $210,000 for each event.
Famed Lake Oahe at Mobridge, SD, will open the season May 28-30. The
peak walleye population in nearly a decade exists on Oahe. “Quality and quantity are the rule, and this spring will produce the best fishing in a long time,” said resident fishing guide Denny Palmer.
The tour moves south to Bull Shoals, Arkansas June 25-27, with stellar reservoir fishing, rated by Parsons as the best tournament
walleye water he’s fished in many years. The PWT pros discovered amazing walleye action during their past excursions on this Arkansas-Missouri border water.
Walleye anglers have been extending their seasons into September and October. Now, amateurs/co-anglers will be able to learn the secrets of the pros at Sault Ste., Marie, Michigan, Sept. 11-13, and at Hudson, Wisconsin, Oct. 16-18.
“Both sites offer peak walleye bites,” said Jim Kalkofen, PWT executive director. On the St. Mary’s River in the Upper Peninsula, resident fish go on a fall feeding frenzy, and are joined by thousands of Lake Huron fish crowding into the river at that time, also.
At Hudson, anglers will fish shallow to deep on the St. Croix River during the “best bite” of the year.
Walleyes and saugers will be targeted. These two late-season tournaments feature community festivals.
The pros fishing the four Pro-Am events will be competing for Angler-of-the-Year honors which will recognize the angler with the best and most consistent performance over the course of the season. The coveted PWT Angler-of-the-Year trophy comes with a $25,000 cash prize.
Topping the season will be the PWT Championship for 2008. The top 50 anglers from the four qualifying Pro-Am events will battle in this one day shootout that guarantees the winner a $50,000 cash prize.
The Championship will immediately follow the final Pro-Am at Hudson meaning over $300,000 in cash will be awarded to the nation’s top walleye anglers that week.
“Thanks to the sponsors that continue to support the PWT,” Kalkofen added. “They have allowed us to put over $1,200,000 in cash up for grabs in 2008 in what is sure to be one of the most exciting seasons ever.”
Pro Payouts are located at: http://www.in-fisherman.com/pwt/tournaments/IFP_08Propayout.pdf
1st . . . . . . . . .$44,000
2nd . . . . . . . . . 14,500
3rd. . . . . . . . . .10,500
4th . . . . . . . . . .8,000
5th . . . . . . . . . .7,500
6th . . . . . . . . . .7,100
7th . . . . . . . . . .6,300
8th . . . . . . . . . .5,500
9th . . . . . . . . . .5,000
10th . . . . . . . . . 4,000
11th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
12th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
13th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
14th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
15th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
16th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
17th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
18th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
19th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
20th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
21st . . . . . . . . . 2,700
22nd . . . . . . . . ..2,700
23rd. . . . . . . . . .2,700
24th . . . . . . . . . 2,700
25th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
26th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
27th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
28th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
29th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
30th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
2008 PWT PRO PAYOUT
Per Pro-Am Tournament
Pro-Am presented by Minn Kota
$1,400 entry per tournament goes towards purse; $100 of each entry is a designated
Championship surcharge. All surcharges collected go to pros from 2nd place on down at
the PWT Championship Shootout- $50,000 is guaranteed to the winner.
(Additional contingencies may add to the total cash payout.)
Pro Incentives are located at:http://www.in-fisherman.com/pwt/tournaments/IFP_08PWTIncentives.pdf
Mercury PWT Tournament Leadership Incentive:
We are pleased to announce that Mercury Marine will
award $20,000 at catch of the five PWT events in 2008,
totaling $100,000.
$12,000 highest placing Mercury Powered angler
$5,000 2nd highest placing Mercury Powered angler
$3,000 3rd highest placing Mercury Powered angler
We are pleased to announce that Lund Boat
Company will distribute $20,000 at each of the
five PWT events in 2008, totaling $100,000.
$12,000 highest placing Lund Boats angler
$5,000 2nd highest placing Lund Boats angler
$3,000 3rd highest placing Lund Boats angler
Toyota Trucks Walleye Rewards Program:
The highest finishing pro angler or amateur/co-angler
who complies with the terms of the Rewards Program
wins that event’s contingency amount.
$2,000 per PWT Pro-Am presented by Minn Kota
$2,000 at the Super Pro CAN-AM
MotorGuide Incentives:
We are pleased to announce that MotorGuide will
award the following incentives if the above Mercury
winners also run MotorGuide.
1st: Additional $1,000 if MotorGuide equipped
2nd: Additional $750 if MotorGuide equipped
3rd: Additional $500 if MotorGuide equipped
Triton Boats Gold Program:
Triton Boats will award the following incentive if the
Winner runs a Triton Boat.
$1,000 to Triton Boats owner if PWT Winner
Other contingencies may be available; check with the manufacturer.
This list will be updated throughout the season.
**Sorry Co Anglers, I don't see any payout listed on their site for you guys/gals.
http://www.in-fisherman.com/pwt/tournaments/IFP_08FebNews.pdf
Professional Walleye Trail
PWT News Release
Feb. 14, 2008
PWT 2008 Format Includes First CAN-AM,
4 Regional Tournaments in SD,AR, MI and WI
and a 2008 Championship Shootout
The In-Fisherman Professional Walleye Trail will venture north of the border to Dryden, Ontario, again this season.
Fishing Lake Wabigoon, the top Canadian pros will be matched against those from the United States to fish the first “artificials only”
major walleye tournament in North America.
Pro John Butts, who lives in Dryden, and is a previous PWT winner, is the Canadian team captain. The 2007 Angler of the Year, Gary Parsons, Glidden, Wisconsin, will captain the US team. Each captain will select his 25-member team.
They will be among the elite pro anglers in the walleye-fishing world from across the United States and Canada.
Once named, the team members will be profiled on the PWT and other web sites. They will comply with PWT rules, and
during the Can-Am they will be paired with amateurs/co-anglers, in the standard PWT pro-am format. Dates are Aug. 13-15.
The PWT season kicks off with the Mercury Championship May 16-18, in Bay City, Michigan. The top 50 qualifiers from 2007 will compete.
Many festival-like activities are set, including a Sport Show, in Bay City’s Veterans Park.
The four Regional Pro-Am tournaments, presented by Minn Kota, follow with a cash payday that could reach $65,000 for the winners and over $210,000 for each event.
Famed Lake Oahe at Mobridge, SD, will open the season May 28-30. The
peak walleye population in nearly a decade exists on Oahe. “Quality and quantity are the rule, and this spring will produce the best fishing in a long time,” said resident fishing guide Denny Palmer.
The tour moves south to Bull Shoals, Arkansas June 25-27, with stellar reservoir fishing, rated by Parsons as the best tournament
walleye water he’s fished in many years. The PWT pros discovered amazing walleye action during their past excursions on this Arkansas-Missouri border water.
Walleye anglers have been extending their seasons into September and October. Now, amateurs/co-anglers will be able to learn the secrets of the pros at Sault Ste., Marie, Michigan, Sept. 11-13, and at Hudson, Wisconsin, Oct. 16-18.
“Both sites offer peak walleye bites,” said Jim Kalkofen, PWT executive director. On the St. Mary’s River in the Upper Peninsula, resident fish go on a fall feeding frenzy, and are joined by thousands of Lake Huron fish crowding into the river at that time, also.
At Hudson, anglers will fish shallow to deep on the St. Croix River during the “best bite” of the year.
Walleyes and saugers will be targeted. These two late-season tournaments feature community festivals.
The pros fishing the four Pro-Am events will be competing for Angler-of-the-Year honors which will recognize the angler with the best and most consistent performance over the course of the season. The coveted PWT Angler-of-the-Year trophy comes with a $25,000 cash prize.
Topping the season will be the PWT Championship for 2008. The top 50 anglers from the four qualifying Pro-Am events will battle in this one day shootout that guarantees the winner a $50,000 cash prize.
The Championship will immediately follow the final Pro-Am at Hudson meaning over $300,000 in cash will be awarded to the nation’s top walleye anglers that week.
“Thanks to the sponsors that continue to support the PWT,” Kalkofen added. “They have allowed us to put over $1,200,000 in cash up for grabs in 2008 in what is sure to be one of the most exciting seasons ever.”
Pro Payouts are located at: http://www.in-fisherman.com/pwt/tournaments/IFP_08Propayout.pdf
1st . . . . . . . . .$44,000
2nd . . . . . . . . . 14,500
3rd. . . . . . . . . .10,500
4th . . . . . . . . . .8,000
5th . . . . . . . . . .7,500
6th . . . . . . . . . .7,100
7th . . . . . . . . . .6,300
8th . . . . . . . . . .5,500
9th . . . . . . . . . .5,000
10th . . . . . . . . . 4,000
11th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
12th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
13th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
14th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
15th . . . . . . . . . 3,200
16th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
17th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
18th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
19th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
20th . . . . . . . . . 3,000
21st . . . . . . . . . 2,700
22nd . . . . . . . . ..2,700
23rd. . . . . . . . . .2,700
24th . . . . . . . . . 2,700
25th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
26th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
27th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
28th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
29th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
30th . . . . . . . . . 2,300
2008 PWT PRO PAYOUT
Per Pro-Am Tournament
Pro-Am presented by Minn Kota
$1,400 entry per tournament goes towards purse; $100 of each entry is a designated
Championship surcharge. All surcharges collected go to pros from 2nd place on down at
the PWT Championship Shootout- $50,000 is guaranteed to the winner.
(Additional contingencies may add to the total cash payout.)
Pro Incentives are located at:http://www.in-fisherman.com/pwt/tournaments/IFP_08PWTIncentives.pdf
Mercury PWT Tournament Leadership Incentive:
We are pleased to announce that Mercury Marine will
award $20,000 at catch of the five PWT events in 2008,
totaling $100,000.
$12,000 highest placing Mercury Powered angler
$5,000 2nd highest placing Mercury Powered angler
$3,000 3rd highest placing Mercury Powered angler
We are pleased to announce that Lund Boat
Company will distribute $20,000 at each of the
five PWT events in 2008, totaling $100,000.
$12,000 highest placing Lund Boats angler
$5,000 2nd highest placing Lund Boats angler
$3,000 3rd highest placing Lund Boats angler
Toyota Trucks Walleye Rewards Program:
The highest finishing pro angler or amateur/co-angler
who complies with the terms of the Rewards Program
wins that event’s contingency amount.
$2,000 per PWT Pro-Am presented by Minn Kota
$2,000 at the Super Pro CAN-AM
MotorGuide Incentives:
We are pleased to announce that MotorGuide will
award the following incentives if the above Mercury
winners also run MotorGuide.
1st: Additional $1,000 if MotorGuide equipped
2nd: Additional $750 if MotorGuide equipped
3rd: Additional $500 if MotorGuide equipped
Triton Boats Gold Program:
Triton Boats will award the following incentive if the
Winner runs a Triton Boat.
$1,000 to Triton Boats owner if PWT Winner
Other contingencies may be available; check with the manufacturer.
This list will be updated throughout the season.
**Sorry Co Anglers, I don't see any payout listed on their site for you guys/gals.
Questions
02-14-2008, 11:38 PM
So the break even point will be to average 10th place in 4 tournaments for most of us?
Or get two 4th place finishes and 2 no money finishes in the 4 regionals?
Is $4000.00 a tournament a reasonable amount in travel expenses with the entry fee for the average Pro? Is this amount too high or too low?
Let's not factor in vehicle or boat depreciation as most of us would be fishing in some form anyway and towing a boat.
Questions
02-14-2008, 11:38 PM
So the break even point will be to average 10th place in 4 tournaments for most of us?
Or get two 4th place finishes and 2 no money finishes in the 4 regionals?
Is $4000.00 a tournament a reasonable amount in travel expenses with the entry fee for the average Pro? Is this amount too high or too low?
Let's not factor in vehicle or boat depreciation as most of us would be fishing in some form anyway and towing a boat.
Fishing Insider
02-15-2008, 08:52 AM
Apparently no TV show which is going to make it hard for many sponsors to justify paying the entry fees.
Fishing Insider
02-15-2008, 08:52 AM
Apparently no TV show which is going to make it hard for many sponsors to justify paying the entry fees.
walleyefanatic
02-15-2008, 09:45 AM
Where does it say "No Fishing Show"? I must be missing that part.
walleyefanatic
02-15-2008, 09:45 AM
Where does it say "No Fishing Show"? I must be missing that part.
seaweed2
02-15-2008, 10:04 AM
Just clarification......is the 1st place of $44,000 CASH or is that a combination of prizes and cash???
seaweed2
02-15-2008, 10:04 AM
Just clarification......is the 1st place of $44,000 CASH or is that a combination of prizes and cash???
It should be cash, since the amount being paid out is the exact same amount as what is being paid in by the Pros. (@ 120 boat field).
The amounts will change depending on how many sign up. Hopefully for the competitors, they will have full fields.
Juls
It should be cash, since the amount being paid out is the exact same amount as what is being paid in by the Pros. (@ 120 boat field).
The amounts will change depending on how many sign up. Hopefully for the competitors, they will have full fields.
Juls
So if you have a Lund and Mercury combo and win an event you could take home $68,000 if there is a full field? Is that right?
Is there no guaranteed first place amount regardless of the number of competitors?
So if you have a Lund and Mercury combo and win an event you could take home $68,000 if there is a full field? Is that right?
Is there no guaranteed first place amount regardless of the number of competitors?
wonder how
02-15-2008, 10:28 AM
The guys in the top five on St. Croix at the end of the tourney will win the guarenteed 50,000 championship "one day shootout" if it is immmediately after the last day of the tourney... So, of all the tourneys to practice for a long time this would be the one (if you are in the top 50).
Good Luck PWT.
What about the TV Show?
wonder how
02-15-2008, 10:28 AM
The guys in the top five on St. Croix at the end of the tourney will win the guarenteed 50,000 championship "one day shootout" if it is immmediately after the last day of the tourney... So, of all the tourneys to practice for a long time this would be the one (if you are in the top 50).
Good Luck PWT.
What about the TV Show?
seaweed2
02-15-2008, 10:36 AM
I was assuming that the Championship was a completely separate tournament, at St. Croix, but after the pro/am. Perhaps a day or two later.
Highest placing Triton owner in AOY also wins a 205dc. Kinda surprised that Triton didn't step it up on the boat bonus - $1,000. Maybe Brunswick is putting the cash on the Merc side for this.
seaweed2
02-15-2008, 10:36 AM
I was assuming that the Championship was a completely separate tournament, at St. Croix, but after the pro/am. Perhaps a day or two later.
Highest placing Triton owner in AOY also wins a 205dc. Kinda surprised that Triton didn't step it up on the boat bonus - $1,000. Maybe Brunswick is putting the cash on the Merc side for this.
>So if you have a Lund and Mercury combo and win an event you
>could take home $68,000 if there is a full field? Is that
>right?
That's the way I'm reading it.
>
>Is there no guaranteed first place amount regardless of the
>number of competitors?
No, I don't believe there is.
Juls
>So if you have a Lund and Mercury combo and win an event you
>could take home $68,000 if there is a full field? Is that
>right?
That's the way I'm reading it.
>
>Is there no guaranteed first place amount regardless of the
>number of competitors?
No, I don't believe there is.
Juls
TV show
02-15-2008, 11:29 AM
I'm pretty sure since Intermedia owns the PWT and the produce a number of outdoors programs that air on Outdoor Channel along with owning the Sportsmans channel that there will be TV coverage of the PWT.
TV show
02-15-2008, 11:29 AM
I'm pretty sure since Intermedia owns the PWT and the produce a number of outdoors programs that air on Outdoor Channel along with owning the Sportsmans channel that there will be TV coverage of the PWT.
PWT Coordinator
02-15-2008, 04:41 PM
It has come to my attention that someone asked about the PWT television
show. The popular and award-winning PWT television show will be filmed,
produced and shown for 26 weeks in 2008 and 2009. It is on Outdoor Channel
in the US and WILD-TV in Canada.
The shows are now airing from the 2007 season. Times are Fridays (watch
it tonight) at 12:30 p.m. and 7 p.m. It also airs on Wednesday at 11 p.m.
These are central times. Julie at PWT
Will The
02-15-2008, 08:23 PM
Will the shows ever be timely like the BASS shows on ESPN.
Frankly, I could care less about watching walleye tournament shows over half a year after they happen. With the coverage provided by various walleye sites we alraeady know what happened.
peter8
02-16-2008, 08:01 AM
I kinda like to break up the winter doledrumbs by watching the PWT and FLW walleye shows in the winter. I actually tape them and watch them several times over the years. You can learn different or new tactics for several bodies of water at different times of the year. I have fished or plan to fish most of the places the tourny's are at, so it's nice to have a little knowledge in getting started when I get there. I fished 5 states last year (including all PWT sites)and used some things I learned from the shows. If all I wanted to know is who won a particular tournament I could find out on the internet the nite it's over. I'm glad to see the PWT continue and with a chance at up to $68,000 in CASH!! WOW great job!....
superdog
02-16-2008, 08:47 AM
Well it certainly isn't as bad as was originally thought. Glad to see the tv show is still in effect. maybe it'll all work out after all. I still don't get the Can-Am thing, seems like a waste of time. They are just playin with each others money again.
It just seems to me that the PWT just dont get it. From my experience when fishing on the pro side of the PWT if you didnt finish in the top 10, all you had going for you was a good tax right off. And it seems as if it is still the same. When is the PWT going to get out of the 1990's, and into the competetive world of tournament fishing? I loved every event that I fished when I did a PWT event, but it was just not worth finishing in 20th or 30th spot and still loose money on the week. And it seems that it will be that way agian. I just think that the PWT is not in the frame of mind to grow this sport. Back in the 90's first place was $50,000, now if you own the right equipment you can earn that much and some more.
Enough about the money part, but how about the media part. One of the things I love about Bassmasters and FLW events are that I can watch them all on the internet in actual time. Can I do that with the PWT? If I can I havent heard that. How come the PWT continues to live in the stone age when it comes to tournament fishing? One more thing about the money aspect. They still insist on not paying the co-anglers who pay alot of money to be in ther events. If you dont end up in the top 5 on the co side, you just get a ton of stuff that will sell at a flee market. If I would have never fished on the pro and co side of the PWT, I wouldnt say a thing about them. But I have fished both sides and I just see no reason to think about doing it agian. They are a first rate circuit, but they just dont want to get it....... JMO
Stacker1
02-16-2008, 09:39 AM
>It just seems to me that the PWT just dont get it. From my
>experience when fishing on the pro side of the PWT if you
>didnt finish in the top 10, all you had going for you was a
>good tax right off. And it seems as if it is still the same.
>When is the PWT going to get out of the 1990's, and into the
>competetive world of tournament fishing? I loved every event
>that I fished when I did a PWT event, but it was just not
>worth finishing in 20th or 30th spot and still loose money on
>the week. And it seems that it will be that way agian. I
>just think that the PWT is not in the frame of mind to grow
>this sport. Back in the 90's first place was $50,000, now if
>you own the right equipment you can earn that much and some
>more.
>
> Enough about the money part, but how about the media part.
> One of the things I love about Bassmasters and FLW events are
>that I can watch them all on the internet in actual time. Can
>I do that with the PWT? If I can I havent heard that. How
>come the PWT continues to live in the stone age when it comes
>to tournament fishing? One more thing about the money aspect.
> They still insist on not paying the co-anglers who pay alot
>of money to be in ther events. If you dont end up in the top
>5 on the co side, you just get a ton of stuff that will sell
>at a flee market. If I would have never fished on the pro and
>co side of the PWT, I wouldnt say a thing about them. But I
>have fished both sides and I just see no reason to think about
>doing it agian. They are a first rate circuit, but they just
>dont want to get it....... JMO
I would like to ask you what in the heck you are talking about. The PWT DOES NOT GET IT? You and your math skills confuse me. In the PWT a 11th place finish is 3200.00 and in the FLW it is 3000.00. 20th in the pwt is 3,000.00 and the FLW it is 2,500.00. The pwt pays 30th place 2300.00 and the FLW pays 2,000.00.
Neither one is wrong in what they do. It is just what they do it. For you to sit back and pass judgement because you supposedly fished both sides is just wrong and will do the world of walleye fishing no good. Absolutly no good can come from your demeaning comments.
Wally T
02-16-2008, 09:40 AM
Dear Hummmmmm It is funny to see your post.Perhaps if you would step up to the plate and promote rather than Complain alot more could be done.PWT is more than just money if your trying to make a living off your winning Good Luck to that.My guess is you never promoted yourself properly and are just a sour little boy that needs to go fishing a lot more and learn how its done. Yikes learn to promote yourself and you can make a dollar at this. But like most things if you dont have a Love for it move on Take up knitting or something you can do.
Phil V
02-16-2008, 09:40 AM
Juls stated in the very last line of this Topic posting;
"**Sorry Co Anglers, I don't see any payout listed on their site for you guys/gals." I looked on the PWT website as well and I didn't read any reference to Co Angler Payouts nor Prizes. I realize that the PWT is in a world of hurt this year, but I have a very important question that needs to be considered by the PWT. "How do you think that there will ever be a full-field per tounament if there is no incentive for the Co Angler?" And please don't remind me of the gained experience that you'll get from fishing with the top Pro's in Walleye fishing. And I'm sure to get the usual sarcastic, cynical or just mean reply from the Pro's, "If you don't like the lack of reward, then fish on the Pro-side or get out of the game." If I could afford the 6-figure investment I would. Just remember, somebody will have to fish on the Co-Side. All I'm saying is don't take advantage of the little guy, (the Co Angler), or it could get much worse than it is today.
hmmmmm
02-16-2008, 10:18 AM
Never tried knitting, maybe I will. Maybe walleye pro tournaments will never be what I want them to be. I dont see the PWT tring to make it to the bassmaster level. Yes I know that bass fishing is something that can be done all over the country, and that is a big plus for it. I guess Im just going to have to except that walleye tournaments will never get to where they could get to with the leadership they have now. I never said that I wanted to fish walleye tournaments as a living. I have a 50 hour a week job that I love to do, so why would I do that.
Vikings Fan
02-16-2008, 10:24 AM
Just an observation.
There are a variety of opinions expressed here on this subject that are worth reading. The many varied replies do have different perspectives, opinions and maybe in some cases are slanted with not so hidden private agendas. That in itself may not be all bad and can be entertaining, humorous and informative.
What I do get tired of seeing on W/C is the ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK mentality of some which is expressed towards others who have differing opinions and I might add, not just on this post.
Let's lighten up a little bit and not give the Moderators reason to nuke this discussion.
Good dialog on this subject is timely and important as it concerns the competitive walleye angling future for so many of us who frequent W/C. Let's not take a fellow angler's differing opinion so personal.
One thing for sure, the days are getting longer and spring is going to come. Our boats will hit the water and the hopefully the walleyes will be waiting. For that we all should be appreciative.
Phil, if you do not value the opportunity to fish with 3 different pro's in as many days, you won't value fishing in a PWT. You can't just dismiss the reason and then stake your claim to being taken advantage of.
After all, Co-angler fees have been cut almost in half over the last few years. It wasn't long ago a co entry fee was $650 - now it's somewhere near $375.
superdog
02-17-2008, 07:56 PM
What are the manufacturers terms for the contingency awards?
wallytap
02-20-2008, 07:42 AM
It would just be common courtesy to post the prizes for the co/anglers.And I realize some pro's consider their co/anglers nothing more than a nuisance in their boat.But with a $375 entry fee and $50/day for pro's "tip" that's $525 to fish for a unknown prize? Keep in mind alot of pro's started as co/anglers...........The PWT needs to attract Co/angler's (future pro's) to keep the circuit alive.
Nighthawk
02-20-2008, 03:33 PM
The PWT asks that Co'g give a $50 tip? The pros should tip me for not knocking off a walleye with the net.
Nighthawk
02-20-2008, 03:33 PM
The PWT asks that Co'g give a $50 tip? The pros should tip me for not knocking off a walleye with the net.
Phil V
02-20-2008, 04:20 PM
>Juls stated in the very last line of this Topic posting;
>"**Sorry Co Anglers, I don't see any payout listed on their site for you guys/gals."
>I looked on the PWT website as well and I didn't read any reference to Co Angler Payouts nor Prizes.
>I realize that the PWT is in a world of hurt this year,
>but I have a very important question that needs to be considered by the PWT.
>"How do you think that there will ever be a full-field per tounament if there is no incentive for the Co Angler?"
>And please don't remind me of the gained experience that you'll get from fishing with the top Pro's in Walleye fishing.
>And I'm sure to get the usual sarcastic, cynical or just mean reply from the Pro's, "If you don't like the lack of reward,
>then fish on the Pro-side or get out of the game." If I could afford the 6-figure investment I would.
>Just remember, somebody will have to fish on the Co-Side. All I'm saying is don't take advantage of the little guy,
>(the Co Angler), or it could get much worse than it is today.
Burr,
Would you prefer that I rephrase my post to include, "Don't take the Co-Angler for granted"? I like how this topic got real quiet when the PWT website did not make mention of any prizes for the Co-Angler, and after I stated earlier, ..."I have a very important question that needs to be considered by the PWT. How do you think that there will ever be a full-field per tounament if there is no incentive for the Co Angler?" Burr, would like to answer this question? After summing-up the 120 Co Angler's entry fees you collected $45,000 per tournament. And the total payout to the Pro's is $168,000 per tournament. Quick math shows that 26.7% of the Pro's Payouts comes from the Co Angler.
Phil V
02-20-2008, 04:20 PM
>Juls stated in the very last line of this Topic posting;
>"**Sorry Co Anglers, I don't see any payout listed on their site for you guys/gals."
>I looked on the PWT website as well and I didn't read any reference to Co Angler Payouts nor Prizes.
>I realize that the PWT is in a world of hurt this year,
>but I have a very important question that needs to be considered by the PWT.
>"How do you think that there will ever be a full-field per tounament if there is no incentive for the Co Angler?"
>And please don't remind me of the gained experience that you'll get from fishing with the top Pro's in Walleye fishing.
>And I'm sure to get the usual sarcastic, cynical or just mean reply from the Pro's, "If you don't like the lack of reward,
>then fish on the Pro-side or get out of the game." If I could afford the 6-figure investment I would.
>Just remember, somebody will have to fish on the Co-Side. All I'm saying is don't take advantage of the little guy,
>(the Co Angler), or it could get much worse than it is today.
Burr,
Would you prefer that I rephrase my post to include, "Don't take the Co-Angler for granted"? I like how this topic got real quiet when the PWT website did not make mention of any prizes for the Co-Angler, and after I stated earlier, ..."I have a very important question that needs to be considered by the PWT. How do you think that there will ever be a full-field per tounament if there is no incentive for the Co Angler?" Burr, would like to answer this question? After summing-up the 120 Co Angler's entry fees you collected $45,000 per tournament. And the total payout to the Pro's is $168,000 per tournament. Quick math shows that 26.7% of the Pro's Payouts comes from the Co Angler.
stop yourself
02-21-2008, 05:32 PM
Seriously. Who cares about what percentage the Am gets. Can you tell me where else can you fish with any of the top guys on that tour for less than $125/day. Didn't think so.
Also you're forgetting to include SPONSER DOLLARS in the pot.
Factless spectulation is way out of hand on here
stop yourself
02-21-2008, 05:32 PM
Seriously. Who cares about what percentage the Am gets. Can you tell me where else can you fish with any of the top guys on that tour for less than $125/day. Didn't think so.
Also you're forgetting to include SPONSER DOLLARS in the pot.
Factless spectulation is way out of hand on here
Phil V
02-21-2008, 07:07 PM
>Seriously. Who cares about what percentage the Am gets. Can
>you tell me where else can you fish with any of the top guys
>on that tour for less than $125/day. Didn't think so.
>
>Also you're forgetting to include SPONSER DOLLARS in the pot.
>
>
>
>Factless spectulation is way out of hand on here
Perhaps you could state the facts. I never mentioned anything about the percentage the Co Anglers receive. Did you really mean to state, "Seriously. Who really cares about the Am?" If so, then why don't you just have a PWT Pro-only tournament and drop their payout by 25+% for the Pro payout? I could careless about the entry fee. I prefer to fish with a team mate and not with a solo/arrogant Pro, which is how you come across. If you think that the Co Angler should by honored by fishing with someone like yourself, without any prizes/cash incentive to counter your arrogant-professional fishing stature, then your sadly mistaken.
Phil V
02-21-2008, 07:07 PM
>Seriously. Who cares about what percentage the Am gets. Can
>you tell me where else can you fish with any of the top guys
>on that tour for less than $125/day. Didn't think so.
>
>Also you're forgetting to include SPONSER DOLLARS in the pot.
>
>
>
>Factless spectulation is way out of hand on here
Perhaps you could state the facts. I never mentioned anything about the percentage the Co Anglers receive. Did you really mean to state, "Seriously. Who really cares about the Am?" If so, then why don't you just have a PWT Pro-only tournament and drop their payout by 25+% for the Pro payout? I could careless about the entry fee. I prefer to fish with a team mate and not with a solo/arrogant Pro, which is how you come across. If you think that the Co Angler should by honored by fishing with someone like yourself, without any prizes/cash incentive to counter your arrogant-professional fishing stature, then your sadly mistaken.
mnjimcarp
02-21-2008, 09:24 PM
hey guys:
don't make the assumption that the folks responding to these posts are pros within the organizations being criticized and discussed. some of the clowns responding pro or con have no reason to even pretend they understand. make sure that you don't get sucked into a post that isn't even represented by a person with inside information or personal experience. many of the negative posts are simply pot stirring individuals with no credentials or experience. blank 'em.
mnjimcarp
02-21-2008, 09:24 PM
hey guys:
don't make the assumption that the folks responding to these posts are pros within the organizations being criticized and discussed. some of the clowns responding pro or con have no reason to even pretend they understand. make sure that you don't get sucked into a post that isn't even represented by a person with inside information or personal experience. many of the negative posts are simply pot stirring individuals with no credentials or experience. blank 'em.
wallytap
02-22-2008, 06:54 AM
In a 120 boat event there might be 30 "top guys" fishing........Not all "pros" are at the top of the tournament game.
wallytap
02-22-2008, 06:54 AM
In a 120 boat event there might be 30 "top guys" fishing........Not all "pros" are at the top of the tournament game.
stop yourself
02-22-2008, 10:18 AM
Sorry wrong guy.... i fish as an am, and have done so for 4 years. If you want a partner set up tourney go drop $60,000 on a tourney rig and run the MWC, the FLW regionals, the Wave Wackers, or whatevere team toureny you want.
PWT AND FLW are Pro Am events. And most of the Ams that fish are there for the experience. Any prizes or money won are strictly a bonus.
And my point about entry fees is that you'd pay just as much for one day with a guide that you do for 3 days in the tournement
stop yourself
02-22-2008, 10:18 AM
Sorry wrong guy.... i fish as an am, and have done so for 4 years. If you want a partner set up tourney go drop $60,000 on a tourney rig and run the MWC, the FLW regionals, the Wave Wackers, or whatevere team toureny you want.
PWT AND FLW are Pro Am events. And most of the Ams that fish are there for the experience. Any prizes or money won are strictly a bonus.
And my point about entry fees is that you'd pay just as much for one day with a guide that you do for 3 days in the tournement
Stacker1
02-22-2008, 10:36 AM
You know what? There are very few pro's that care that much about the tip. If so it gives them supper food. It's more important that they show up sober in the morning than anything else.
wallytap
02-22-2008, 12:00 PM
Is there a $100 "surcharge" in addition to the entry fee? PWT rules state a $100 surcharge goes towards the Championship $$............
Entry fee is 1500.00...100.00 of that 1500.00 goes towards the championship. The other 1400.00 goes into the regional event's payouts.
Juls
wallytap
02-22-2008, 01:51 PM
Thank You Juls.
walleyejim1216
02-23-2008, 03:05 PM
So,Bottom line? Will the ametures get prizes like before or are they going to be fishing for the experience of fishing with a pro????
Phil V
02-23-2008, 04:12 PM
Jim,
I noticed that you asked a similar question on TheNextBite a couple of days ago, with a ZERO reply. Yesterday, I asked the same question to Jim Kalkofen. I won't be able to check my email until Monday, since I emailed him from work. I would guess that a "No Reply" from Gary Parsons and Jim Kalkofen is not good news for the Co-Angler. I'll reply to this topic again on Monday and let you know if I've received a reply from Jim K.
walleyejim1216
02-24-2008, 09:28 AM
Thanks Phil, I agree its not looking good! But I relly don't see how they would expect to fill all those spots for co-anglers just to fish for the experience! I'm thinking of fishing another one this year, but if no prizes are offered I will probably pass! And I also wonder a little about those that are signing up now only to find out later that they are paying that money for the experience to fish with a pro!
Whoa...who said the PWT was not giving prizes to the co anglers?
I believe that they will continue to do that, and prizes will be awarded.
They have never given cash for the co anglers, so that's no big surprise...don't expect that.
I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff...:banghead:
Is it in writing someplace, that they are not giving the co anglers anything? If they did, I haven't seen it yet. :confused:
Juls
walleyejim1216
02-24-2008, 05:15 PM
Juls, No it hasn't been stated that co-anglers won't receive prizes, but it also doesn't say they will! All we are trying to figure out is if it is staying like it was or exactly what? I don't think it is unfair to ask questions, we just can't seem to get a answer! If you have the answers please share that with us! If I am going to spend $1,000 to $1500 to come fish one of these, I would like to think I atleast had a CHANCE to get something back! p.s. Very sorry to of offended you!
I'll see what I can find out tomorrow Jim.
Juls
walleyejim1216
02-24-2008, 08:35 PM
Thank you very much!
I talked with the PWT office today and they told me that they will award prizes for the co anglers.
They will be posting the cash value of the payouts soon.
Juls
walleyejim1216
02-25-2008, 02:48 PM
Thank you juls! Now we are all happy! And you don't have to scream at us anymore!LOL
Me? Screaming? Huh?:confused:
I'm not the one using ! at the end of every sentence. lol :)
Glad I could be of help.
Juls
Thanks
02-25-2008, 03:35 PM
Now I hope all the ones stirring to Pot stop it and fish its a great way to learn a ton.
NDEYELOVERRetired
02-28-2008, 06:05 AM
Lets be happy that the PWT will continue in 2008. There may a few changes but remember how important the PWT is to the future of tournament fishing. Have we forgotten it is the first "major" competive walleye event of its kind. FLW and others have evolved from the roots of the PWT. If you can't offer any improvements, revisions or have the time to make a difference perhaps you should remain silent. Glad your back in 2008 Professional Walleye Trail, copntinued success to you.
Jig Bite
02-28-2008, 07:16 AM
>Lets be happy that the PWT will continue in 2008. There may a
>few changes but remember how important the PWT is to the
>future of tournament fishing. Have we forgotten it is the
>first "major" competive walleye event of its kind. FLW and
>others have evolved from the roots of the PWT. If you can't
>offer any improvements, revisions or have the time to make a
>difference perhaps you should remain silent. Glad your back in
>2008 Professional Walleye Trail, copntinued success to you.
Very true but.... IHO your statement that FLW evolved from the roots of the PWT is wrong. Operation Bass Inc. /dba FLW Outdoors has been in the tournament business for about thirty years. To say that they evolved from the PWT is a statement that I think I would not make.
Its on baby
02-28-2008, 07:28 AM
Got my confirmation for this years events that i signed up for.
It's on baby
Vikings Fan
02-28-2008, 08:36 AM
Good reply.
The MWC was the first major walleye circuit to introduce competitive walleye fishing to a larger regional area, that being the Midwest. While the MWC was and is structured in a team format, many of the individual PWT competitors got their start in the original MWC way back in the late eighties and early nineties. Yours truly included.
As walleye tournament competitors, all of us benefit from healthy, full circuits with solid sponsors who receive a positive return on their investment. In my opinion at least for the moment, the FLW has taken the upper hand in accomplishing this and has become the dominant major walleye circuit across the northern tier of states. The FLW doesn't deserve criticism for doing that, just applause for raising the bar.
The PWT will need to convince sponsors, anglers and co-anglers that their apparent downward trend can be reversed. Signing new sponsors would be a reassuring, positive step in doing just that. The 2008 PWT schedule and payouts are better than many thought they would be. As individuals anglers and co-anglers we need to support the PWT where we can. Signing up for the first PWT tournament at Mobridge this spring would be a good step. One thing for sure, the walleyes will be there waiting. They always have been and that hasn't changed a bit.
Got my confirmation as an Am for Mobridge. Can't wait to make three poor "pros" put up with me for a day!!! ;)