PWT Payouts

[Notbad]

Hey, considering all the recent problems and negative people, the payouts don't seem too bad. For those who complain about everything, get over it, it's much better than expected. The fact that Mercury and Lund only offer contingencies is better than nothing and Ranger has done it for years in the FLW. It just isn't easy to get sponsorships anymore. We need there to be a PWT if you like competitive fishing, otherwise it will all fall apart in the walleye world. 30th may not pay well, but thats not what your suppose to be fishing for. If you don't love to do it, move on to bass or golf. I was starting to think the PWT stood for the Professional Whiners Trail. It is what it is, so shut up and fish, or don't. Either way, it lives and we need that. Now lets spend this year improving it as I'm sure they will. The job they have would not be fun in times like this. Maybe it isn't run perfectly, but what really is. What we do control is our boats and our decisions. I truely am happy with the results considering what we all thought was about to happen. Be greatful and catch fish. Have a good summer and enjoy what you choose.

[Notbad]

Hey, considering all the recent problems and negative people, the payouts don't seem too bad. For those who complain about everything, get over it, it's much better than expected. The fact that Mercury and Lund only offer contingencies is better than nothing and Ranger has done it for years in the FLW. It just isn't easy to get sponsorships anymore. We need there to be a PWT if you like competitive fishing, otherwise it will all fall apart in the walleye world. 30th may not pay well, but thats not what your suppose to be fishing for. If you don't love to do it, move on to bass or golf. I was starting to think the PWT stood for the Professional Whiners Trail. It is what it is, so shut up and fish, or don't. Either way, it lives and we need that. Now lets spend this year improving it as I'm sure they will. The job they have would not be fun in times like this. Maybe it isn't run perfectly, but what really is. What we do control is our boats and our decisions. I truely am happy with the results considering what we all thought was about to happen. Be greatful and catch fish. Have a good summer and enjoy what you choose.

[downward sprial]

First the FLW flattens their payouts last year and cut them for 2008 and now the PWT is paying out a measly $44K for first place - does anyone else see a trend??? I am having a hard time with the PWT math that adds up to 115% payback...

On the bass side - FLW Cup (Tour Championship) paid out $1M to it's winner this year ($500K for the win and $500K from Ranger) and the Bassmaster Classic is paying out $500K. I don't like where the future of competitive walleye fishing appears to be headed...

[downward sprial]

First the FLW flattens their payouts last year and cut them for 2008 and now the PWT is paying out a measly $44K for first place - does anyone else see a trend??? I am having a hard time with the PWT math that adds up to 115% payback...

On the bass side - FLW Cup (Tour Championship) paid out $1M to it's winner this year ($500K for the win and $500K from Ranger) and the Bassmaster Classic is paying out $500K. I don't like where the future of competitive walleye fishing appears to be headed...

[Notbad]

As I said, go to bass. Or better yet, donate some money and then we'll all do the math. Obviously you seem to know the sport well, so please help the staff at In-Fish beg some sponsors to pay more. I can't believe how easy people think it is to get money from companies. If you actually fish as a pro, how many cash sponsors do you have? If it's a lot, then share some with all of us. The Bass world awaits you...

[Notbad]

As I said, go to bass. Or better yet, donate some money and then we'll all do the math. Obviously you seem to know the sport well, so please help the staff at In-Fish beg some sponsors to pay more. I can't believe how easy people think it is to get money from companies. If you actually fish as a pro, how many cash sponsors do you have? If it's a lot, then share some with all of us. The Bass world awaits you...

[In your dreams]

When are they going to announce the Am. payouts. Is it going to be cash or are we going to support the pro side as always? By my math, the pro's are fishing just for their own money and putting up the cash for the "Shootout". Wonder where the $45,000 am. money is going.

[In your dreams]

When are they going to announce the Am. payouts. Is it going to be cash or are we going to support the pro side as always? By my math, the pro's are fishing just for their own money and putting up the cash for the "Shootout". Wonder where the $45,000 am. money is going.

[Burr]

>First the FLW flattens their payouts last year and cut them
>for 2008 and now the PWT is paying out a measly $44K for first
>place - does anyone else see a trend??? I am having a hard
>time with the PWT math that adds up to 115% payback...
>
>On the bass side - FLW Cup (Tour Championship) paid out $1M to
>it's winner this year ($500K for the win and $500K from
>Ranger) and the Bassmaster Classic is paying out $500K. I
>don't like where the future of competitive walleye fishing
>appears to be headed...

I think the best prediction I've seen about the 08 Walleye tournament year was made by Parsons quite a few months ago. 2008 looks to be shaping up as a year of change. There are changes as our season gets ready for the 'opener'.

Entry fee's are, well, down.

Your right, the math does not come up with 115% payout, it's almost 10% higher than that - 123.8% payout with the Merc and Lund incentive payments. $168,000 from the pro side in entries, $168,000 in tournament payout, with another 20,000 from Lund, and an additional 20,000 from Merc - that makes 123.8% payout, and there are some additional payout numbers not in my calculations - motorguide, triton, Toyota etc. I anticipate there will be at least 3 Lunds, and 3 Merc's in the tournaments to claim the incentives.

And there is going to be a championship.

A week ago, there was no formal participation by Lund, Merc, and no championship. Now there is a championship, and Lund and Merc have stepped up participation in a really significant way. So in a nut shell, 2008 is shaping up as a year of change as Parson's predicted last fall.

The co-anglers won't see as much of a change, still the same ol fantastic opportunity to get in the boat, fish with some of the best walleye pro's alive. Same ol, same ol....


Downward spiral, if you can not handle change, you really need to find another way to occupy your time, or get a script for that depression thing ya got goin on.

I wonder if Toyota will have a rash of people that want to sign a 6 month lease?

125% payback, while not perfect, is a nice start, and about as good as it's ever been. At the same time, there will probably be more changes coming - hopefully they continue in the positive direction they have taken in the last week.

[Burr]

>First the FLW flattens their payouts last year and cut them
>for 2008 and now the PWT is paying out a measly $44K for first
>place - does anyone else see a trend??? I am having a hard
>time with the PWT math that adds up to 115% payback...
>
>On the bass side - FLW Cup (Tour Championship) paid out $1M to
>it's winner this year ($500K for the win and $500K from
>Ranger) and the Bassmaster Classic is paying out $500K. I
>don't like where the future of competitive walleye fishing
>appears to be headed...

I think the best prediction I've seen about the 08 Walleye tournament year was made by Parsons quite a few months ago. 2008 looks to be shaping up as a year of change. There are changes as our season gets ready for the 'opener'.

Entry fee's are, well, down.

Your right, the math does not come up with 115% payout, it's almost 10% higher than that - 123.8% payout with the Merc and Lund incentive payments. $168,000 from the pro side in entries, $168,000 in tournament payout, with another 20,000 from Lund, and an additional 20,000 from Merc - that makes 123.8% payout, and there are some additional payout numbers not in my calculations - motorguide, triton, Toyota etc. I anticipate there will be at least 3 Lunds, and 3 Merc's in the tournaments to claim the incentives.

And there is going to be a championship.

A week ago, there was no formal participation by Lund, Merc, and no championship. Now there is a championship, and Lund and Merc have stepped up participation in a really significant way. So in a nut shell, 2008 is shaping up as a year of change as Parson's predicted last fall.

The co-anglers won't see as much of a change, still the same ol fantastic opportunity to get in the boat, fish with some of the best walleye pro's alive. Same ol, same ol....


Downward spiral, if you can not handle change, you really need to find another way to occupy your time, or get a script for that depression thing ya got goin on.

I wonder if Toyota will have a rash of people that want to sign a 6 month lease?

125% payback, while not perfect, is a nice start, and about as good as it's ever been. At the same time, there will probably be more changes coming - hopefully they continue in the positive direction they have taken in the last week.

[Questions]

Some people say you can make figures say anything you want to. Just curious, you don't do taxes do you?

[Questions]

Some people say you can make figures say anything you want to. Just curious, you don't do taxes do you?

[ex-PWTer]

Hey, it's a dying game, and the chances of anyone making a living as a walleye fisherman and diminishing as we speak. Your best bet is to do this for fun and not put yourself in a position to try to earn a living as a professional walleye fisherman.

[ex-PWTer]

Hey, it's a dying game, and the chances of anyone making a living as a walleye fisherman and diminishing as we speak. Your best bet is to do this for fun and not put yourself in a position to try to earn a living as a professional walleye fisherman.

[walleyefanatic]

I think Notbad and Burr are right on the money. If the walleye world is struggling, this is a good step to keep it going. The stories of people not signing up until they see if the field is filling up is silly. If you want to fish, sign up, if not, move on. Your suppose to have a love of the sport to drive you. I know money is an issue for all of us, just as it is for the PWT. Very few understand the cost of these events and all that goes into running them. I don't have a Lund or a Mercury, but that is not the fault of the PWT. If other sponsors wanted to offer perks I'm sure the PWT would have happily taken them on. Lets make this year a good one. Good luck to all...

[walleyefanatic]

I think Notbad and Burr are right on the money. If the walleye world is struggling, this is a good step to keep it going. The stories of people not signing up until they see if the field is filling up is silly. If you want to fish, sign up, if not, move on. Your suppose to have a love of the sport to drive you. I know money is an issue for all of us, just as it is for the PWT. Very few understand the cost of these events and all that goes into running them. I don't have a Lund or a Mercury, but that is not the fault of the PWT. If other sponsors wanted to offer perks I'm sure the PWT would have happily taken them on. Lets make this year a good one. Good luck to all...

[Burr]

Yeah I do, but you probably couldn't afford me.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotfl:

[Burr]

Yeah I do, but you probably couldn't afford me.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotfl:

[Numbers Man]

Hi All,

I am assuming that some pros out there are curious as to which tour makes the most sense to fish from a purely financial standpoint. Ignoring all of the other details that are involved, I have calculated the expected returns for fisherman that run LUND and MERCURY equipment and are trying to compare the PWT to FLW for 2008. This analysis only includes the four regional tournaments. Also, please note that I put the incentive $$ in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd slots for each tournament. Yes, this is probably not how things will shake out but the model would become very complex if I didn't assume this. I have two scenarios with different variables:

1) Straight up PWT vs. FLW expected return per tournament. PWT field=120 and FLW= 150

Results (per event):

PWT $1,733
FLW $1,417

2) The expected return assuming that you will finish in the money. Different calculation than the one above but if you think you are really good :)

Results (per event):

PWT $6,933
FLW $4,250

Now, if Lund and Mercury also throw incentive money to the FLW circuit these are the results. Assuming that the incentives are the same and weighing the top 3 spots:

Results (per event):

PWT $1,733
FLW $1,683

Using the same assumptions as above but assuming you will finish in the money and Lund/Merc pay incentive on the FLW tour:

Results (per event):

PWT $6,933
FLW $5,050

Again, I weighted the incentive money to the top 3 spots and this is really only of use for Lund and Mercury users who are waffling between the two tours. Use them for what they are worth and I hope this helps someone out there!

Peace,

Numbers Man

[Numbers Man]

Hi All,

I am assuming that some pros out there are curious as to which tour makes the most sense to fish from a purely financial standpoint. Ignoring all of the other details that are involved, I have calculated the expected returns for fisherman that run LUND and MERCURY equipment and are trying to compare the PWT to FLW for 2008. This analysis only includes the four regional tournaments. Also, please note that I put the incentive $$ in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd slots for each tournament. Yes, this is probably not how things will shake out but the model would become very complex if I didn't assume this. I have two scenarios with different variables:

1) Straight up PWT vs. FLW expected return per tournament. PWT field=120 and FLW= 150

Results (per event):

PWT $1,733
FLW $1,417

2) The expected return assuming that you will finish in the money. Different calculation than the one above but if you think you are really good :)

Results (per event):

PWT $6,933
FLW $4,250

Now, if Lund and Mercury also throw incentive money to the FLW circuit these are the results. Assuming that the incentives are the same and weighing the top 3 spots:

Results (per event):

PWT $1,733
FLW $1,683

Using the same assumptions as above but assuming you will finish in the money and Lund/Merc pay incentive on the FLW tour:

Results (per event):

PWT $6,933
FLW $5,050

Again, I weighted the incentive money to the top 3 spots and this is really only of use for Lund and Mercury users who are waffling between the two tours. Use them for what they are worth and I hope this helps someone out there!

Peace,

Numbers Man

[burr-ed and its bad]

Paybacks cannot be calculated with the incentives - or if you do that you will be reversing how Parsons justified the payouts last year as superior to the FLW. Look at the payouts without contingencies so anyone can take the nortwoods boat and nissan motor and compete. That's the only fair way to assess the opportunity while fishing each event. If you fish and win and earn $16K less - more power to you, I just don't understand how this is heading the sport in the right direction.

You like others seem to be missing the point that merc and lund are investing less in pro walleye fishing by not also sponsoring the circuit and paying all involved - major step back.

Why would an angler help the PWT get additional sponsors - each time an angler has brought a sponsor to the PWT, the management quickly cuts out any opportunities for the angler and then burns the sponsor with limited return on their investment. This in a nutshell is why we are here. There is a staff at the PWT that obviously isn't showing value to the sponsors and thats why they left. In the business world if you don't perform your job, you are replaced.

Maybe some folks need to take off their rose colored glasses and look at this as if you were running your own business and trying to make a living.

[burr-ed and its bad]

Paybacks cannot be calculated with the incentives - or if you do that you will be reversing how Parsons justified the payouts last year as superior to the FLW. Look at the payouts without contingencies so anyone can take the nortwoods boat and nissan motor and compete. That's the only fair way to assess the opportunity while fishing each event. If you fish and win and earn $16K less - more power to you, I just don't understand how this is heading the sport in the right direction.

You like others seem to be missing the point that merc and lund are investing less in pro walleye fishing by not also sponsoring the circuit and paying all involved - major step back.

Why would an angler help the PWT get additional sponsors - each time an angler has brought a sponsor to the PWT, the management quickly cuts out any opportunities for the angler and then burns the sponsor with limited return on their investment. This in a nutshell is why we are here. There is a staff at the PWT that obviously isn't showing value to the sponsors and thats why they left. In the business world if you don't perform your job, you are replaced.

Maybe some folks need to take off their rose colored glasses and look at this as if you were running your own business and trying to make a living.

[Numbers Man]

One more thing...

For those running any others combos that are neither Lund nor Mercury and fishing PWT, with a full field your expected return is $1,400 which is very close to ER of FLW without Yamaha/Evinrude of $1,417.

Just trying to give some data points. Hope this helps someone out there!

Peace,

Numbers Man

[Numbers Man]

One more thing...

For those running any others combos that are neither Lund nor Mercury and fishing PWT, with a full field your expected return is $1,400 which is very close to ER of FLW without Yamaha/Evinrude of $1,417.

Just trying to give some data points. Hope this helps someone out there!

Peace,

Numbers Man

[Mike D of SD]

not a co or a pro, but do follow each and every tournament. I see nothing but positive for the PWT. Only downside I see is picking the 25 fisherman for the CAN-AM tourney. This could bring out the worst of people who thought they should have made it.

[Mike D of SD]

not a co or a pro, but do follow each and every tournament. I see nothing but positive for the PWT. Only downside I see is picking the 25 fisherman for the CAN-AM tourney. This could bring out the worst of people who thought they should have made it.

[Stacker1]

Where are the payouts listed on the pwt site? I cannot find them.

[Stacker1]

Where are the payouts listed on the pwt site? I cannot find them.

[Juls]

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=13&topic_id=33768&mode=full

Or you can find them on their site under each Regional event. There is a link to the payouts and a link to the contingency payouts.

I have the same thing copy/pasted in the link above though...just to make it easier. :)

Juls

[Juls]

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=13&topic_id=33768&mode=full

Or you can find them on their site under each Regional event. There is a link to the payouts and a link to the contingency payouts.

I have the same thing copy/pasted in the link above though...just to make it easier. :)

Juls

[Stacker1]

Thanks Juls.

[Stacker1]

Thanks Juls.

[Questions]

As long as you are the Numbers Man,

Why don't you figure the two championships, PWT vs. FLW into your figures with the four qualifiers ? What would the numbers look like then? Bottom line it is good to see the PWT come out with a schedule and payout that is better than what the rumor mill seemed to be indicating it was going to be. No, make that, it is great! Especially for the Lund / Mercury contingency boys. Which is the way the FLW, Ranger, G-3, Evenrude and Yamaha contingency programs have successfully worked for some time. While you are at it, why don't you factor in a comparison of the payouts with the available contingency money on both sides and include both championship payouts. Then factor in how the payouts compare with no contingency money on either side and include the championships. Maybe those figures would tell a far different story?

Some of us are contemplating fishing one or both circuits and would honestly like to know what the true costs and earning potential of competing in each circuit for 2008 will be.

To find that out none of us really need to be fed a bunch of slanted,:horsepoop:

I do not mean too sound cynical, but had all things in the past been as they were initially laid out, maybe some of us wouldn't have all these Questions now?

[Questions]

As long as you are the Numbers Man,

Why don't you figure the two championships, PWT vs. FLW into your figures with the four qualifiers ? What would the numbers look like then? Bottom line it is good to see the PWT come out with a schedule and payout that is better than what the rumor mill seemed to be indicating it was going to be. No, make that, it is great! Especially for the Lund / Mercury contingency boys. Which is the way the FLW, Ranger, G-3, Evenrude and Yamaha contingency programs have successfully worked for some time. While you are at it, why don't you factor in a comparison of the payouts with the available contingency money on both sides and include both championship payouts. Then factor in how the payouts compare with no contingency money on either side and include the championships. Maybe those figures would tell a far different story?

Some of us are contemplating fishing one or both circuits and would honestly like to know what the true costs and earning potential of competing in each circuit for 2008 will be.

To find that out none of us really need to be fed a bunch of slanted,:horsepoop:

I do not mean too sound cynical, but had all things in the past been as they were initially laid out, maybe some of us wouldn't have all these Questions now?

[Numbers Man]

Do you have full payout numbers for the PWT Championship? I haven't found those yet but if you have those please pass them along and I can throw those into my spreadsheet.

Thanks,

Numbers Man

[Numbers Man]

Do you have full payout numbers for the PWT Championship? I haven't found those yet but if you have those please pass them along and I can throw those into my spreadsheet.

Thanks,

Numbers Man

[Numbers Man]

If you run the necessary equipment to receive contingency money, your expected return in an FLW qualifier based on a full 150 person field is $2,427.

If you run the necessary equipment for the PWT (Lund/Merc), your expected return in a PWT qualifier based on a full field of 120 boats is $1,733 based on a full field.

Clearly, if you run Ranger/G3/Yamaha/Evinrude, the FLW makes economic sense. I did my initial analysis based on a Lund/Merc pro because those are the people that I am associated with in the industry.

There are numerous other factors involved including the location of the tournaments. Do the 2008 tournaments play into your strengths as a fisherman, etc ?

If I could get a full PWT championship payout then I could throw that in the mix as well but as of right now, I am just basing off the qualifiers.

Bottom line= If you run Lund/Merc fish PWT but if Lund/Merc offer contingency money the potential 1st and 2nd place payouts are higher (1st= much higher) than PWT.
If you run Ranger/G3/Yamaha/Evinrude, it is a no-brainer to do the FLW.

Also, please keep in mind that the FLW Championship will be much more lucrative than the PWT from what I have heard.

Disclaimer: I have no interest in either circuit and I am just a fan of the game.

Numbers Man

[Numbers Man]

If you run the necessary equipment to receive contingency money, your expected return in an FLW qualifier based on a full 150 person field is $2,427.

If you run the necessary equipment for the PWT (Lund/Merc), your expected return in a PWT qualifier based on a full field of 120 boats is $1,733 based on a full field.

Clearly, if you run Ranger/G3/Yamaha/Evinrude, the FLW makes economic sense. I did my initial analysis based on a Lund/Merc pro because those are the people that I am associated with in the industry.

There are numerous other factors involved including the location of the tournaments. Do the 2008 tournaments play into your strengths as a fisherman, etc ?

If I could get a full PWT championship payout then I could throw that in the mix as well but as of right now, I am just basing off the qualifiers.

Bottom line= If you run Lund/Merc fish PWT but if Lund/Merc offer contingency money the potential 1st and 2nd place payouts are higher (1st= much higher) than PWT.
If you run Ranger/G3/Yamaha/Evinrude, it is a no-brainer to do the FLW.

Also, please keep in mind that the FLW Championship will be much more lucrative than the PWT from what I have heard.

Disclaimer: I have no interest in either circuit and I am just a fan of the game.

Numbers Man

[Unbiased appreciation]

Thanks Numbers Man for running all of these and allowing folks to see the true picture and be informed when weighing in!

[Unbiased appreciation]

Thanks Numbers Man for running all of these and allowing folks to see the true picture and be informed when weighing in!

[Numbers Man]

>Some of us are contemplating fishing one or both circuits and
>would honestly like to know what the true costs and earning
>potential of competing in each circuit for 2008 will be.

Questions,

I really believe this decision needs to be looked at on a angler-by-angler basis. There are many factors that go into the decision like I mentioned earlier including travel time to tournaments, dates working into your personal schedule, fishing style, opinions of other team members (if you work with a team), type of boat/motor you run, etc.

The easy answer is if you run a Lund/Mercury you should probably fish the PWT, without knowing any more details about you.

Vice versa if you run the equipment that if offered contingency money on the FLW.

A wild card scenario would be if Lund/Merc offer contingency money in the FLW and you like the locations of the events! This is where it gets more interesting but we are not at this point at the moment.

There is no simple answer to this, I am just trying to provide some numbers for anglers to ponder.

Peace,

Numbers Man

[Numbers Man]

>Some of us are contemplating fishing one or both circuits and
>would honestly like to know what the true costs and earning
>potential of competing in each circuit for 2008 will be.

Questions,

I really believe this decision needs to be looked at on a angler-by-angler basis. There are many factors that go into the decision like I mentioned earlier including travel time to tournaments, dates working into your personal schedule, fishing style, opinions of other team members (if you work with a team), type of boat/motor you run, etc.

The easy answer is if you run a Lund/Mercury you should probably fish the PWT, without knowing any more details about you.

Vice versa if you run the equipment that if offered contingency money on the FLW.

A wild card scenario would be if Lund/Merc offer contingency money in the FLW and you like the locations of the events! This is where it gets more interesting but we are not at this point at the moment.

There is no simple answer to this, I am just trying to provide some numbers for anglers to ponder.

Peace,

Numbers Man

[Numbers Man]

>Thanks Numbers Man for running all of these and allowing
>folks to see the true picture and be informed when weighing
>in!

No problem. I am trying to help some pros figure out this decision and I like statistics. It would help to have a full PWT championship payout but at this point, I do not have one.

There are other things like Angler of the Year, etc. but I don't think the masses should factor that into their calculations if it only pays one spot.

Peace,

NM

[Numbers Man]

>Thanks Numbers Man for running all of these and allowing
>folks to see the true picture and be informed when weighing
>in!

No problem. I am trying to help some pros figure out this decision and I like statistics. It would help to have a full PWT championship payout but at this point, I do not have one.

There are other things like Angler of the Year, etc. but I don't think the masses should factor that into their calculations if it only pays one spot.

Peace,

NM

[Burr]

>Do you have full payout numbers for the PWT Championship? I
>haven't found those yet but if you have those please pass them
>along and I can throw those into my spreadsheet.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Numbers Man

The full payout for the PWT championship is stated on the In-Fish website as $50,000 first place prize PLUS the $100 per participant per regional tourney.

So, if all regionals (or whatever they are called this year) fill at 120 - there is $12,000 per tourney, $48,000 total, plus the $50,000 first place guarenteed prize - or $98,000. Exactly how it will be distributed is unknown.

If they average only 100 entries per regional, then it would be $40,000 plus the $50,000 totaling $90,000 total for the championship.

[Burr]

>Do you have full payout numbers for the PWT Championship? I
>haven't found those yet but if you have those please pass them
>along and I can throw those into my spreadsheet.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Numbers Man

The full payout for the PWT championship is stated on the In-Fish website as $50,000 first place prize PLUS the $100 per participant per regional tourney.

So, if all regionals (or whatever they are called this year) fill at 120 - there is $12,000 per tourney, $48,000 total, plus the $50,000 first place guarenteed prize - or $98,000. Exactly how it will be distributed is unknown.

If they average only 100 entries per regional, then it would be $40,000 plus the $50,000 totaling $90,000 total for the championship.

[walleyejim1216]

I have a dumb question! Why is it called Lund and mercury payouts instead of Brunswick pay outs? Would Brunswick rather the pro's buy a Lund than a Crestliner or a Triton? That makes no since to me at all! If a company owns all these boats why wouldn't they offer the pay outs to anyone running a Brunswick owned boat!

[Stacker1]

Walleye jim. If you market to the masses under a name that most people do not recognize, the dollars you spent will do you no good. I.E. Brunswick. Ask boaters at a launch for 4 hours any given saturday this summer who brunswick is and they will probably say a bowling alley. Then ask them who lund is and wallaaa, there you have it.

[walleyejim1216]

I agree with that but why don't Crestliner and trion and others offer the same payouts as lund? Seems to me that if they are all owned by Brunswick the same money should be available to the pro's that fish out of a crestliner as there is if they fish out of a Lund!

[10 Pound]

I talked with someone at the PWT headquarters and they said the prizes for the Am's will be a lot like in the past and no cash. Still sounds fun $375 is pretty reasonable. What are the expextations from the pros for tips etc.?

[No kidding]

I was charged 375 dollars for a 1 day fishing trip the guide supplied everything. This is 3 days with the best of the best.Give me a break of coarse its a good deal.And I will be doing it for sure.Enough said.Those who dont get it.Boohoo but thats just said.

[T Mac]

Because it is not Brunswick, Walleyejim.
It is 2 particular companies that Brunswick owns.
:confused:
Notice..it is not Lowe/Mercury..or Crestliner/Mercury...or PrinceCraft/Mercury, etc. - (which are other companies Brunswick owns, too).

:)

[chadk66]

exactly. They are ran as completely seperate corporations, each having their own marketing team, etc.

[baw]

It's easy to make predictions when you have the inside scoop!

[NDr]

Quite frankly. I don't care what any of the armchair fisherman here have to say about the payouts. Our economy is in the doldrums. It's affecting my businesses and most everyone elses. Anyone who'd think that it wouldn't affect a "recreation" based business as well is out of touch with reality. The tourney fisherman are going to have to worry about their paychecks just like the rest of us.

Today I'm sending in my PWT entry form. If I get lucky, I'll win some money. If not, I'll have had a great time with a great bunch of guys and more than likely I'll know the places I'm going to be fishing this summer a little better than I did last summer.

Good Luck to you all. Time to quit complaining and go fishing!!!

btw.... PLEASE spend as much time here as possible. The more time you're spending here means the less time your spending fishing and my winning odds are a increasing......

[Questions]

I do appreciate your efforts in doing the numbers. I also think the PWT has put together some good payout numbers based on their present circumstances.
However, it still looks to me like the FLW walleye Tour may be the way to go even you own a Lund and Mercury. The FLW pays down for qualifiers events 50 spots not 30. Even with factoring in thirty more contestants than the PWT, the FLW still pays down 20 more spots than the PWT does. Factor in the amount the FLW is paying in payouts for the Tour Championship and it does not appear to be even close. The PWT as I read it guarantees a $50,000.00 1st place Championship prize and based on a full field at all qualifying events the PWT would pay an additional $48,000.00 for the remaining Championship payouts spots. That is based on the Pro angler surcharge of $100.00 per PWT qualifying event IF those qualifiers end up with a full field.
When you add in the $277,600.00 the FLW Walleye Tour pays in non contingency money for 50 spots to any boater who qualifies for the Tour Championship as opposed to the $98,000.00 that is paid at the PWT Championship, the FLW walleye Tour looks like a much better deal. The FLW actually could pay out as much as $650,000.00 in championship payouts if you factor in the available contingency money.
Those are real word numbers. Factor in the available Championship amounts and the FLW is a better deal for individuals who wish to compete in four events to qualify for a championship. Those numbers are based on the premise that both circuits will fill their qualifying tournaments. Let's hope they do.

[Questions]

I do appreciate your efforts in doing the numbers. I also think the PWT has put together some good payout numbers based on their present circumstances.
However, it still looks to me like the FLW walleye Tour may be the way to go even you own a Lund and Mercury. The FLW pays down for qualifiers events 50 spots not 30. Even with factoring in thirty more contestants than the PWT, the FLW still pays down 20 more spots than the PWT does. Factor in the amount the FLW is paying in payouts for the Tour Championship and it does not appear to be even close. The PWT as I read it guarantees a $50,000.00 1st place Championship prize and based on a full field at all qualifying events the PWT would pay an additional $48,000.00 for the remaining Championship payouts spots. That is based on the Pro angler surcharge of $100.00 per PWT qualifying event IF those qualifiers end up with a full field.
When you add in the $277,600.00 the FLW Walleye Tour pays in non contingency money for 50 spots to any boater who qualifies for the Tour Championship as opposed to the $98,000.00 that is paid at the PWT Championship, the FLW walleye Tour looks like a much better deal. The FLW actually could pay out as much as $650,000.00 in championship payouts if you factor in the available contingency money.
Those are real word numbers. Factor in the available Championship amounts and the FLW is a better deal for individuals who wish to compete in four events to qualify for a championship. Those numbers are based on the premise that both circuits will fill their qualifying tournaments. Let's hope they do.

[Stacker1]

Its a give to get. The PWT has a better percentage of fisherman who will be in the championship than the flw. 120/50 or 150/50.

Fish what you want to fish. They are both very different circuits. AND!!! Try not to make people believe that what ever you do is the only thing to do along the way. Just do it for yourself.

[Stacker1]

Its a give to get. The PWT has a better percentage of fisherman who will be in the championship than the flw. 120/50 or 150/50.

Fish what you want to fish. They are both very different circuits. AND!!! Try not to make people believe that what ever you do is the only thing to do along the way. Just do it for yourself.

[Questions]

Actually I hope to be fishing both circuits and championships. You may be reading too much into my reply.

[Questions]

Actually I hope to be fishing both circuits and championships. You may be reading too much into my reply.