: Double bait setup?
12-11-2002, 09:08 AM
For any of you guys that use the double bait setup. When fishing Erie, when is the best season or time to employee the double method?
Good luck and be safe..........See ya! :)
12-11-2002, 10:49 AM
Do you mean a 3-way rig or another method?
12-11-2002, 12:21 PM
Yep, that would be the one. A three way swivel with a deep diving crank on one lead and a spoon on a second lead all behind a dipsey.
Thanks for the reply.
12-11-2002, 01:48 PM
I use the three way behind a dipsey only when nothing else is working. Not to say I have not done good with this rig some of my better catches from 2000 were using a little ripper and a scopion behind a dipsey. It always seems to tangle and be more extra work. One other thing is that a deep crank behind a dipsey will not run well, a shallow crank will run alot better.
12-11-2002, 03:01 PM
I use the 3-way rig almost anytime, especially when the spoon/crankbait bite is switching over. It's a great way to present more baits to the fish anytime. I prerig snells with a 3-way swivel and two florocarbon leads. 3' with a crosslock snap (crankbait)and a 4' with a sampo bearing snap-swivel(spoon). As long as you leave the clikcer on to apply a little pressure as you set the line you won't tangle. I can't ever remember having one. Also I always use a deep diver, such as a Reef Runner to maximize seperation of the two baits. I first saw this in Walleye-Insider in an article from LBDN. I understand that they use Hot-n-Tots for the crank and its called a LBDN rig.locally. I'm thinking of experimenting with longer leads on the spoon. My biggest 'Eye ever came on the spoon of this rig 2 years ago. Be sure the crank is tuned.
Ezmarc has another version that I would like to try.Maybe he will elaborate.
12-11-2002, 05:46 PM
Any guesses on how much the spoon affects the depth of the crank when you flatline a 3-way? Affect on the dipsey depth with this setup?
BTW Luhr Jensen website has a tech sheet that has some info on the dipsy 3-way.
12-12-2002, 06:15 AM
I use this on a flatline or behind little boards. It probably wouldn't work well behind a dipsey because of the deep diving crank pulling too much. I would guess that the depth lessening effect of the spoon is around 10%. Maybe they will have a dive curve in Precision Trolling edition 8!
12-13-2002, 07:47 AM
Come on Ezmarc, spill the beans!
What's your setup?
12-13-2002, 08:00 AM
Yeah, Come on EZ, my curiosity is killing me. :)
12-13-2002, 09:42 AM
Hey Sunshine! I'll tell you after the PWT is over next April!
It's no secret, there are a few people using the OR16 with the pin and a snap swivel and short leader placed in-line anywhere you want. I use it during a tough bite just to get more lures in the water. I typically use a Deep diver on a 3-4 foot leader about 30' in front of a spoon, little ripper or even a Deep junior. They will tangle if you let them out too fast or bring them in too fast and if you tangle it bringing a fish in on the back lure good luck and wear gloves while bringing it in hand over hand. Doubles are really fun! Try a 7 pound walleye and a 12 pound sheephead at the same time. I think Rocky and Skipnskul are doing this also but I don't know their exact techniques.
Have fun and don't yell at me when you have to cut your line when you get everything snarled up! It's not a method for the timid!
I never run a 3 way behind a dipsy but I will on occasion run a similar rig several feet in front of the dipsy so that it rides above the dipsey.
12-13-2002, 10:59 AM
If I'm picturing this correct, the 3-4 leader for deep crank is then tied to a swivel which is tied to your main line? Swivel acts as a stop if OR16 slides down? The leader from the OR16 to spoon is.....? I'm guessing 3-4 feet, or don't you need that much?
12-13-2002, 11:18 AM
Dennis, It's a pretty easy rig to set up but maybe not so easy to explain (at least for me). It's actually easier to set up then the traditional 3 ways. Maybe this winter when I get bored I'll take some pictures and post them.
Let your line out the desired amount and then attach a prepared leader/lure/pinned OR16/snap swivel assembly to your main line. A snap swivel can be attached to your main line for backup to the OR16 in case it gets pulled off. A 3-4 foot leader is my preferred length but you could make them as long as you want. One advantage to this set up is that the Reef Runners don't propel themselves into the boat when they break the surface.
12-13-2002, 11:37 AM
12-13-2002, 01:36 PM
Didn't mean to put you on the spot there! Your rig is much easier to figure out once you see it, rather than trying describe it. It is definitely a great way to play with drop lengths and depths of the spoon.