Mono line, help

[Dave Q]

When jigging DEEP for lakers the hook set is often done very hard, sometimes the jig will pull through the bottom of the knot ( break the bottom of the loop that is through the eye. ) What do you think would be the best mono. aprox. 17lbs test ( at this lake you MUST use a mono leader, to fire line, if you want to catch many fish) Thanks for your thoughts.

[REW]

If you use a palamor knot, you should have no issue.
With a palamor knot, you have two layers of line running through the hook eye.
Take care
REW

[Mattman]

Ditto

I use Fireline and 6' of Flouro with a Palomar knot.



Matt Davis

Better to have and not need than to need and not have!

[Dave Q]

Sounds good, how / were can I learn to tie one?? thanks

[bob oh]

http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knots%20&%20Rigging/fk_palomar.htm

rod bender bob

[SUPERTROLLER]

If you are breaking 17# test line on the hookset's, I think you must not be pulling the knots all the way tight. Then when you set the hook the knot slips and tightens abruptly and causes too much friction and creates a weak spot in the line. Bigger lines are harder to get a tight knot on. Maybe try making sure the knots are cinched down with your normal knot again. If you have already done this I apologize but I'm only trying to help. I find it shocking that you can break 17# line! Maybe your drag could be loosened a little bit too.

[SUPERTROLLER]

If you are breaking 17# test line on the hookset's, I think you must not be pulling the knots all the way tight. Then when you set the hook the knot slips and tightens abruptly and causes too much friction and creates a weak spot in the line. Bigger lines are harder to get a tight knot on. Maybe try making sure the knots are cinched down with your normal knot again. If you have already done this I apologize but I'm only trying to help. I find it shocking that you can break 17# line! Maybe your drag could be loosened a little bit too.

[Dave Q]

>If you are breaking 17# test line on the hookset's, I think
>you must not be pulling the knots all the way tight. Then when
>you set the hook the knot slips and tightens abruptly and
>causes too much friction and creates a weak spot in the line.
>Bigger lines are harder to get a tight knot on. Maybe try
>making sure the knots are cinched down with your normal knot
>again. If you have already done this I apologize but I'm only
>trying to help. I find it shocking that you can break 17#
>line! Maybe your drag could be loosened a little bit too.
Thanks for the thought, it dosen't happen to often but you must set the hook hard!! deep water and a HARD mouth. Set on a big fish and its like setting into a rock...nothing gives. Thanks to rod bender for the link.

[jerry bark]

good points by supertroller,

i have noticed that when tying knots in mono i often get a "curly" near the knot when i pull it tight. this is a weak spot caused by heat(from friction) when pulling tight. i used to break off at that spot alot until i figured out what was going on....

so, nowadays i have learned to tie more carefully, i have switched to a uni knot from the old clinch knot which helped a lot, and i lube the knot thoroughly before pulling tight.

on my saltwater gear (30, 40 lb test and higher) i use "personal lubricant" to lube the line before pulling tight (it pays to shop the condom isle every now and then;) ) definately makes a difference. have recently heard that some of the saltwater guys on the west coast are using bag balm as a lube for tying knots in the heavy mono.

try some different knots in your garage, put a screw eye into a stud tie on a jig and hook it into the eye. then fish-on!

good luck,
jerry

[unlogged bernie]

I jig lakers 90% of the time. We just use 10lb dont seem to have the problems you are talking about. Drop your line weight down a little bit, and when you tie your knots make sure to moisten the line befor you tighten the knot and I always leave a small tag end of line out there. Good luck

[walteye]

Same thing here-I jig for lakers with either 14 lb test fireline and attach a 10' section of 10# fouro or with straight 8# Stren Sensor with a palomar to the jig-75-110' of water at Round Valley Reservoir in NJ. Never pulled a knot-just have to wet it good before pulling it tight. And I have to admit that I have gotten a stretch in the flouro just before the knot-I cut it off and tie another-NJ state record of 36# was caught from Round Valley-the last thing I would want is to hook a good fish and lose it over a knot (but it has happened to me anyway....).
Where are you fishing?
Walteye

[unlogged bernie]

I fish in Colorado and our neighboring states.

[Dave Q]

Im fishing in northern Manitoba.... fish in the 50lbs range are caught every year on this lake,.....my best is 38lbs.....so far ( one once jig in 85 ft.)

[slipbob]

We jig lakers out of 180' of water here in upstate NY and I'd say that's pretty deep. I'm talking icefishing now but I strictly use 8lb Fireline because it has less surface drag to get your spoon back down fast and I run a 3ft section of 8 or 10lb Berkley Vanish off of a swivel which eliminates line twist with spoons and also serves as a great connector between the Fireline and Vanish. Keep in mind if you ever fish cold weather with Fireline say below freezing you need to fish in a heated shanty or the line freezes bad and becomes unworkable. If you're tangling with trout that are over 20lbs I'd up the line test but it's the same concept. The fireline allows for instant hooksets in real deep water without having to set the hook too hard like I see some people doing because they have way too much line stretch and it looks like they are going to fall over backwards. A quick snap of the wrist is all you need. Fireline can also take large amounts of abrasion against the bottom of the ice when lakers are making big moves at the hole and it holds it's ground. It's tough stuff and clearly the best product for taking big fish from real deep water along with those buckshot rattle spoons. They sink REAL fast and lakers can't seem to get enough of the mighty buckshots. Oh yeah, using palomar knots or an improved clinch you won't have any knot problems.