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Total Outrage!!
02-16-2002, 08:41 PM
You think the Antis arent depraved and desperate? Read this,

"The spokesperson of a national animal rights organization ended 2001 with one of the most outrageous and offensive comments of the year, comparing the death of victims of September 11’s terrorist attack to chickens being sent to slaughter.
Karen Davis, president of United Poultry Concerns, sent a letter to Vegan Voice claiming that it is “speciesist” – favoring one species over another - to consider the terror attacks of September 11 to be a “greater tragedy that what millions of chickens endured that day.”

The following is the last paragraph from this offensive letter:

"In conclusion, I think it is speciesist to think that the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center was a greater tragedy that what millions of chickens endured that day and what they endure every day because they cannot defend themselves against the concerted human appetites arrayed against them. Perhaps the word ‘tragedy’ should not be used anyway in this context unless in the more precise sense of a fundamentally terrible thing happening to a human being who consciously or subconsciously brought the terrible thing upon him or herself, lived through it, and gained insight and wisdom as a result. In this classical sense of tragic drama, it remains to be seen whether America is a “tragic hero” or even a “tragic” victim. If, though, the question is whether the World Trade Center attack was worse for its thousands of human victims that the sum total misery and terror was for millions of chicken victims that day, I see only one non-speciesist answer to the question.”

The message sent by this animal rights radical ranks with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals President Ingrid Newkirk’s statement that compared the suffering and loss of six million Jewish people during the Holocaust to chickens that are slaughtered for food. Both are incredibly disturbing, offensive and for lack of a better word, inhumane.

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I read this, went out and bought 5 whole chickens and two bulk pack cut up fryer packs. Me and mine are eating chicken every day this next week!!! Go out and have some chicken tonight. And tomorrow and so on. Pass it on!!

BBQ
02-16-2002, 09:39 PM
Got a napkin?

DIMI
02-17-2002, 03:55 AM
I work in the meat/poultry/egg industry and I can tell you this much, the PETA people are very sucessful at what they do and the major players in the food industry are bending over backwards to appease them. My guess is because the squeaky wheel (or in this case protests outside some Mc D's) gets the oil and the anti PETA people (you and me) aren't voicing our opinons loud enough. Mc Donalds recently made some concessions to PETA regarding their egg suppliers, and for these concessions PETA said they would lay off them for 1 year and then it's back to bussiness as usual for PETA. I try not to patronise those industries and companies that give in to PETA demands, because in the end it all comes down to whose dollar the affected industries are going to cater to (PETA or the average consumer)and right now the PETA dollar has their ear.As far as cruelty to animals goes, it's a matter of opinon and my opinon and PETA opinon differs conciderably.PETA goals are agriculture without any animals period.

Lou in Alex.
02-17-2002, 04:14 AM
Wow- unbelievable.I don't really know what to say here- I can't comprehend how a person or persons could even make a statement like that, much less believe it.My thought is that that line of thought is not only completely out there beyond the edges of reality- but very un-American. Good thing our military men and women are defending these radicals freedoms huh?It disgust me.Myself- I am a proud speciest- I'm going to perform an abortion on a couple chicken embrios(sunny side up)- make a couple ham sandwiches- and go take some revenge out on some unsuspecting crappies-who by the way- are probably feeling safe knowing that these whackos are protecting their rights.Little do they know-Lou in Alex- speciest extrordinaire.

Backwater Eddy
02-17-2002, 04:46 AM
But who would protect all those poor innocent bugs from billions of fiendish feathered free range terrorists if we do set them free?

Since a chicken will eat almost anything and everything I have no quorums about doing the same. A pheasant would make me much happier by far.

Although beef, fish, or venison is more to my liking, a chicken will do just fine. I will feel no guilt in doing it either.

The wackier these ANTI nuts get, the better, maybe they will decide in the end the only safe things to eat are each other?

Then we will be rid of the loony buggers for good.

:D

Backwater Eddy ~ ~ ~><sUMo> ~ ><>

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/backwtr1/home.html

Dutchman
02-17-2002, 06:43 AM
It really makes you wonder how these folks made it to to be adults. I guess we've done a fine job of protecting our own specie's. Now where did I put that drumstick, oh yeah! right next to my glass of milk....


" Fishing is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope "

BD
02-17-2002, 07:10 AM
In a couple of months we will have some free range fryers and roasters for sale. They are much better tasting than the chicken from the super market IMHO. We have farm fresh eggs for sale now. Brown eggs, blue eggs. tan and mauve. You can make up an Easter basket without using food coloring.
Question for PETA members: Where does the leather come from that is used to make you and your kids Adidas?
Notice to Chicken Liberation Front members: The dogs will tell me if you come around. The dogs and the 12 ga. will see to it that you leave in a hurry.

WAeyes
02-17-2002, 07:35 AM
Extra Crispy or Original Recipe? That is the only thing I am concerned about here. I wish they would eat themselves as Eddy stated, but that would mean they would have to eat meat...probably not gonna happen. Maybe if we paint them green they will think.......

MK
02-17-2002, 07:43 AM
As sick as their stance is, letters like this will ultimately backfire on them. I hope they write more of them. We should spread this letter as far and wide as possible.

Eventually one will make it past the bleeding hearts in the editorial departments of the major papers and the networks and these morons will be exposed for what they really are. Maybe then most of their sympathizers will realize just how far out of the mainstream they've gotten and reject their nonsense.

But in the meantime, sportsmen/women must continue to make our feelings known to the companies that support and cave in to these groups. Whenever possible, we should boycott the spineless companies that give in to the extortion from peta and groups like them. And make no mistake, it is about money and extortion. They fund themselves from cowardly companies that annually pay "protection money" to avoid the possibility of bad press. Maybe some of the mis-guided people carrying the signs actually believe in what they do but to the organizers, its just a paycheck. They are no different than the mob. Pay-up or we'll vandalize your business or we'll send our friends in the media to your door and try to ruin you.

Fish Hound
02-17-2002, 08:00 AM
I guess this is what happens when you don't get protien from meat.
You know the old commercial for no drugs,
This is your brain.
This is your brain when you don't eat meat.
The Fish Hound

Tom B
02-17-2002, 08:16 AM
The real key to letters like this is that the mainstream see them. most people don't have any idea just how extreme these folks are, spreading letters like the above help.

The thing that gets me about packers bending to the whims of PETA is that most of the "negotiators" are vegans, that means that they will never eat any of their products anyways.

A friend of mine grew free-range chickens... they were fabulous eating and they had HUGE demand for them. Free range birds have a texture that coop raised chicken can never match and the flavor is second to none.

Unfortunately, they had to be packed by a USDA-inspected facility and when all the bills were paid, the meat packer made all the profit, they broke even (only if foxes, coons and other predators didn't get inside the pens.)

I hate PETA and their extremism, but I hate even more that few media outlets would reprint a letter that shows how little value they place on human life.

Tom B

Cangl
02-17-2002, 08:42 AM
Hitler had away of pumping himself up through his "beleivers"also.

Off the podium and back to reality you creep.

What's next with these #####? Deny guilt eat your neighbor?
Then release his dog? So it can starve?

Stump
02-17-2002, 09:25 AM
I listened to this nut case on a radio interview and I could not believe what she was saying.She was actually compairing the processing of chickens to the cowardly attacks which happened on Sept 11th.She compaired what the people were feeling about the attack to what the other chickens were feeling when they saw their own kind being viciously attacked.She also compaired it to what the Jewish went through in Nazi camps and what the Blacks went through as slaves.As I listened to this whack job rant and rave about this,I began to realize what she was talking about.....suddenly my eyes were wide open...thinking about chicken,a tear ran down my cheek.For I had our ceiling fan on and some of the spices I was seasoning our fried chicken dinner with had blown up into my eye(dont ya hate when that happens?)It must have teared for 3 mins.Anyway,dinner was finger lickin' good!I can only think that America is wonderful...where else can a complete nut case become President of a company such as her.
OH....THE HUMANITY OF IT ALL,D@MN THAT COL. SANDERS!
STUMP
P.S. Just two words...Monosodium Glutomate!

Lou in Alex.
02-17-2002, 09:44 AM
Hmmmm- a page from Jessie Jacksons book?

Jim Ordway
02-17-2002, 10:46 AM
I kinda like my position in the food chain. Fish from the sea have been staples throughout the span of mankink. Chicken are not different, they were put on earth to fill a nitch in the food chain. I like the other comment about protien starved brains. The type of weak minded thinking that equats animal, and likely plant life, as valuable as human life is reconized by the vast majority as obsurd. The prattle dispayed in the chicken release once again confirms their incoherence. They are clearly a sef destructive group of loonies.

hgmeyer
02-17-2002, 11:20 AM
We need to take the warning labels off those very dangerous things like lawnmowers and power tools so that people like this will self destruct and not making it to "breeders"...There are segments of the herd that are getting really dumb...I wish that jackals liked looney humans instead of wildabeast...Oh well...

Rotisery Ron
02-17-2002, 11:33 AM
Her Idea is half BAKED. We should see her FRY. I am BROILILNG mad, and court should GRILL her over the coals.

Veggies
02-17-2002, 11:46 AM
Vegatarion: definition-- One that is either a lousy hunter or fisherman

targa2
02-17-2002, 03:36 PM
Anthropomorphism!!!! The concept of giving animals human characteristics.This is the ridiculous premise of all animal rights logic.

Degree of sentientality.The degree to which each animal is self aware.Another of their famous concepts. According to this doctrine we assign a scale of importance to creatures based on how much they are like humans. According to this logic a monkey is more important than a retarded child.

Hard to believe that with this kind of thinking that the animal rights movement has gained so much power. They do it through misinformation.All of us should join the organization PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST.

If you want to read a good book about the negative affects their movement has had look for "SECOND NATURE" by Alan Herzgovizi.(Not sure of the spelling.)

bellbuoy
02-17-2002, 04:24 PM
I saw Ms. Davis views on the foxnews.com website a few weeks ago.

From Ted Turner's comments this past week, maybe the two of them should get together. "Brave" in reference to the terrorists....

Why do idiots and morons get so much air time?


Bellbuoy

MK
02-17-2002, 08:13 PM
Exactly!

Jesse and his "coalition" and the "animal rights" groups should write a book. How about "Social Engineering Through Terrorism and Extortion, or How I Became a Millionare Off of Spineless Corporations".

A Christian
02-17-2002, 09:45 PM
Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

28: ...replenish the earth, and subdue it...


I'm still working on that "dominion over the fish" part, as the walleyes seem to have dominion over me. But I definitely have dominion over those grocery store fryers.

Al
02-18-2002, 05:19 AM
This is sort of a joke, but some folks like Turner and the Peta Heads have me rethinking my stance on abortion. Sometimes I think in the case of these folks, it should be sterilization. We don't need these idiots multiplying.

EyeJacker
02-18-2002, 06:46 AM
....and don't forget to give the bones a proper burial!
Jack

Atomic Eye
02-18-2002, 08:02 PM
I sent this line to my local radio station to show how absurd the PETA folks can get. They (radio station) said they are going to do a segment on it!! Please consider sending this to your local radio stations / newspapers. This is nuts!!

Is PETA against the vermin that will return our bodies to the environment after we're "planted?"

http://www.walleyecentral.com/dcf/generaldiscussion/14723.html

Atomic Eye (New Mexico) -- "Gone Fission!" ~~~<}}}:>

Chris
02-19-2002, 04:49 AM
If someone wants better conditions for chickens its alright with me. I've seen how some chickens are raised on production farms and personally I don't want to eat anything that it that stressed either..I doubt its good for ME...and as another poster said, once you do eat organic , free range etc chicken, its hard to go back to Mr Tyson's type.Its so much better that you get spoiled. But PETA's position and esp comments are ridiculous, I think this one will backfire on them. BTW I live in one of the most libral towns in the country and I can tell you that PETA has little impact here. I think that the small percentage they draw in people might get headlines but they have little real impact.

Agreed, but
02-19-2002, 06:44 AM
I conceede your points about free range chickens, and Peta being a "fringe" group. However, with more and more empty headed hollywood types getting behind them they have a stronger voice than ever with them that city dwellers and unaware. We must fight or counter their every move or gain. BTW, tell your daughters and sons that Britney Spears thinks you are evil for hunting, eating meat and wearing animal hyde. She too is one of them. She too thinks your child is evil, and yet you or your kid just gave her even more money to fight you! Also, freezers are full of legally aquired game, and only what state allows me to posses. Feel like Chicken tonight? How bout Venison? Duck? Pheasant? Boar? I had a great fall and will be well fed this season!

EyeJacker
02-19-2002, 10:53 AM
Give 'em #####, Harry!

bigfish1965
02-19-2002, 12:02 PM
I think these PETA guys are right. But I think they don't take it far enough. What about all those poor vegetables and fruit that are mercilessly SLAUGHTERED each day for those ungrateful vegetarians? How about the fact that millions of lettuce families are beheaded each day for the sake of a few salads? How about all those almond trees that have their nuts torn away form them each week?(ouch)
Will no one defend the poor soybeans that are held in inhumane conditions packed into tiny row after row and then hearded up and cultivated as if what they wanted in life was so unimportant? Did you know that in many countries corn families are not given any protection from the elements and are simply left out in fields to fend for themselves? Imagaine the horror they must feel stuck to the ground unable to escape from approaching deer. It gives me nightmares!!
P.S. The next time you meet a PETA supporter, ask him what his shoes are made out of. If it is not leather, but a synthetic, ask him if he is aware of the tons of industrial waste created by the manufacturer of such items.

Chris
02-19-2002, 12:02 PM
Yes and notice how many of them wear leather shoes,belts etc and wrap themselves in fine furs. I guess that as long as it adorns them its OK.

targa2
02-19-2002, 03:27 PM
PETA succesfully lobied to get a farmer who had laying hens to change the mesh in the bottom of the chicken's cages. PETA contended that the mesh was " too thin and was hurting the chicken's feet."

After the mesh had been changed at considerable cost to the farmer egg production dropped dramatically. After several days of poor production the farmer put the chickens back in the old cages and they resumed normal egg production. I guess it just proves that you can't think or feel like a chicken.