Dipsey Diver Depth

[rspahr]

Does someone have a link to a depth chart for Dipsey Divers. The one that I have is for 20 lb mono. I would like to see one for 10 - 40 lb lines. Thanks.

[ETT]

Precision Trolling Big Water ed. Pg. 22 #1 Dipst w/ ring on 30# braid. I'd knock off 2 or 3' for the heavier line.

[rspahr]

Thanks.

[rspahr]

I just ordered one and it is in the mail. I did not realize that there was a Big Water edition. I looked at my regular edition and no luck.

[hiliner]

Some of those dipsy #'s are off in Big Water ed. The #3's with ring's
are wrong. I called on this and they agreed said data got mixed.
Wish they would print correction.

[FISHCRAZY]

Get the GTM40T temperature and depth meter. It is absolutely the BEST thing I have ever used when it comes to knowing EXACTLY where my dipseys are running. You can find them on this site for sale, that's where I got mine from. It's pricey, but once you'll get it, you'll see what I'm talking about.

The depth the dipseys are running depends on many variable: your speed, current, trolling direction and many more. Using a chart cannot be accurate under every circumstance, and many times you’ll find out that it varies from one side of the boat to the other.

Once you catch a fish on one dipsey, use the GTM to find out where it ran, gage the other ones to the same depth (you’ll be surprised how useless the chart is!), and you’ll get all your dipseys working, I do it every time, and I would never be able to do it without it.

Tight Lines!

Fish-Crazy: Capt. Virgil D. Tent

[Where]

where do you find this thing???

[FISHCRAZY]

They used to sell it on this site. If not serch the net for:

GTM 40 Depth and Temperature Meter

Try E-bay

Tight Lines!

FishCrazy: Capt. Virgil D. Tent

[rspahr UL]

Did anyone find them?

[Found it]

http://www.franksgreatoutdoors.com/item.asp?id=12496

[rspahr UL]

Will it work with jets also?

[FISHCRAZY]

Yes, it works with jets and even deep diver cranks. With deep diver use a tendum set up, 5' leader on the crank and 2' leader on the GTM, the precision book is prety accurate on the cranks, but it never hurts to double check. You want to make a 2' leader, even shorter, out of good braid with two snap swivels at each end. Clip the GTM to one ends and the other to your diver. It has a seting for fresh water and one for salt water, make sure it's set properly. After you set it out, give it at least a couple of minutes so your diver reaches maximum depth, before you bring it back.

From reading the manual, it states that it shouldn’t have any effect on the diver. Regardless if it does or not, I charted all my divers with it. How I use this tool to help me is like this:

Say I fish six dipseys and I’m marking fish 30 foot down. Using my self made charts, I stagger my six dipseys from 20' to 28', with each one at a different depth, and I do adjust if I’m not running at 2 mph. Say I get a fish on my port, 125' back, # 3 setting. I send it back out 125' with the GTM. It shows me it runs at 22' down. Then I take the # 0 dipsey on the starboard side and use the GTM to set it at 22', I might also change spoons to match. Now, depending on what happens next, I start setting all the dipseys to the “depth” “I am catching the fish”. It is not that important if I am actually running at 22', but with the GTM, I can bring all my dipseys into the depth range that the fish are biting. In this example, I will find out that I will be catching fish within a certain column of water depth, be it 17'-22', 20'-25', or 22'-27', or whatever it might be.

More important, to my surprise, I found out the 125' out on my starboard side, # 3 setting will run at 25' instead of 22'. Fact is, that I ran into similar differences of up to 10'. The factors for this are numerous and irrelevant. What is relevant, is that I know I have a difference and that the GTM helps me adjust to it.

Tight Lines!

Fish-Crazy: Capt. Virgil D. Tent

[rspahr UL]

Thanks for the info. I have one on order. I thought that some of my gear is running deeper than expected. Now I can find out for sure.

[Buckeye]

If you are not familiar with running Dipseys, you may not know that running anything under 20# test line to them is not a good idea. If you run line lighter than that and have people onboard that think tripping them requires something resembling a hookset on a blue marlin, you will need a large supply of divers. The depth advantage you would gain by running less than 20# mono is easily achieved with just a few more feet of line out.

I like to use a superbraid like Power Pro because there is no stretch, which makes tripping a diver easy. Also, it telegraphs any shake or extra drag which makes reading the rods for small fish or weeds much easier. But it's also a catch 22 if you are in waters where steelhead or salmon are present. You need to run really loose drags to keep from breaking leaders and rods.

[FISHCRAZY]

Definitely a good point! I started using the clear rubber snubbers, between the dipsey and the leader, after I got more then 20 spoons taken by the steelys. I also use 30/10 braid.

Tight Lines!

FishCrazy: Capt. Virgil D, Tent

[fishhogg]

It looks like you attach this in place of the lure when using it on a dipsey diver or a jet? Then it would give you the depth and tempature in the 5' increments to the deepest depths? If that is the case I am going to order one today.

[bob oh]

I remember the first time I ever ran them my brother broke them off faster than I could put em on LOL Very costly!

rod bender bob

[carpetbagger (unlogged)]

if your running braid on the big boys its simple. Its about 3to1 dive curve on 3.5...You want 50ft ull be letting out like 145-160ft of line depending on which side of 50ft you want to be running...how i have always done it, and its always worked for me....now if u wana run at 0...that baby is gonna dig hard off the boat so figure 2.5to1 50ft like 100-125

its all about experimentation. percision trolling in my opinion is a waste of time...very rarely do i troll walleye at 2.5mph so the dive curve is pretty useless, it gives u a referance, but so does the dipsy diver when u buy it...

CB

[Question]

How fast can you pull the dipseys? Is 4 mph to fast?

[Buckeye]

While I've never gone that fast pulling dipseys, I would think it could be done but it may be difficult. First, you'd have to have pretty heavy rods to handle the drag. You'd also need to set the release tension pretty high which might make it tough to pop them when you need to bring one up. The other problem I can see is in rough water, the "surge" you get when you go over the crest of a wave may trip them.

I'm sure there are better opinions from more experienced guys here but that's mine!

[Thanks]

Thanks Buckeye, the reason why I was asking about the speed...on our medium sized lake in MN there was a guy using downriggers at about 20' in 20-30 feet of water with a 4-6 foot leader with a number 5 shallow running rapula behind and catching fish to beat heck. He was trolling about 4 mph. I don't want to buy downriggers for the few times a guy would use them...so I'm tring to find a different option. Any ideas?

[FISHCRAZY]

At that high speed you might also try smaller dipseys, or take the rings off the big ones. You'll have alot less tension drag, and should not have any problem getting down 20' without too much extra line out.

Tight Lines!

Fish-Crazy: Capt. Vigil D. Tent

[Binks61]

If precision trolling Big Water edition is off, I'll live with it until the next version.

I fish Central Basin L Erie all summer and have found that if I see the marks, refer to the dive curves in the book and go 2 or so feet high, it works.

As to speed, 2.3- 2.5 was the ticket, at least in the Central Basin last year.

( that said, that 03 class was everywhere)

[bob oh]

I've run them around 3.5 or a bit more on fairly flat water.

rod bender bob

[Gary Korsgaden]

i am taking your advice for my Lake Superior Salmon and Lake Trout Trolling do you have any other tips. Sounds like you really know your stuff.

[Gary Korsgaden]

Franks is sold out anyone else carry this item

[perchjerker]

yes thats how it works, I have one and its pretty cool. just dont let it go more then 100ft deep as the battery compartment may leak at that depth

[Gary Korsgaden]

I prefer to not get locked into speed due to the varying currents depending on the body of water.

[rspahr UL]

They did have them. I just ordered one.

[rspahr UL]

I guess Walleye Central made a run on them.

[Gary Korsgaden]

This Item has been discontinued

[drbrand]

http://www.biglakeoutfitters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_32&products_id=213&zenid=5f58909066f6ce35e2659efb99146049

This site has 4 in stock at $79. Don't know what the going price is.

[Gary Korsgaden]

Thanks ordered one hope it works

[MIke2]

I am also a salmon fisherman and I have 2 sets of dipsey rods. 30# power pro will get down 50-60 ft. I have a set with 30lb wire line and roler polls. If I put out about 230 ft of wire line I can get down over 100 ft. Late last summer the only way we could catch fish was to go deep. Wire dipseys, downriggers and a pump handel were the only lines that caught fish.

[rspahr]

I got mine in today and tried it out. It works great! No more guessing.