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ski
02-25-2002, 06:15 PM
Steve,

I have enjoyed listening to you at various seminars at the walley expo and picking your brain at the booth. You have a lot of knowledge and common sense and your success as a launch captain/owner and a tournament fisherman speaks for itself. I would like you to share some of that knowledge with the rest of us here at walleye central if you are a mind to ; specifically about crawler harnesses and their components as you use them on the "Big Lake" as your brother Joe refers to it. I am interested in things such as line color and test, bead pattern, clevice style, blade style and color, leader length, etc. Thanks in advance

p.s. Ski is a nickname my friends call me.

s.f.
02-25-2002, 07:09 PM
lol I ain't had my pocket picked since I was in Mexico, 30 years ago. lol Ah... what the heck....

Listed in their priorty relative to getting bites:

1. leader length.
A. the length of the leader determines two things. The time delay
between the fish seeing/hearing the sinker, and the distance off
the bottem the bait rides, relative to the distance the sinker/
swivel is off the bottem. At Mille Lacs, as in most inland lakes
/reservoirs, walleyes live in the bottem foot of the water
column. Walleyes prefer to eat things that are horizontal to them
and their eyes. So...being that you should NEVER drag the bottem
with your sinker, keeping it within a foot of the bottem however,
the leader needs to be long enough to sag far enough below the
sinker/swivel into the 'eye zone' of the fish. Example is: a 3
way rig with a 14" drop, and the sinker 12" off the bottem,
creates a 26" distance from where the leader starts to the
bottem. Envision? So...we've learned that for every four ft. of
leader, the bait drops 6". We use twelve ft. leaders to insure
the bait it about 6-8" off bottem. (12ft., 6" drop per 4ft. adds
up to 18" sag of the bait from the swivel) and done so WITHOUT
dragging the bottem. ENVISION?
2. Bead pattern
A. using 4mm beads... 1 green ABOVE the blade, 1 red under the
blade, 5 green, 2 red, 2 green by the hook. This adds up to a
1/4 " distance from the bottem of the hanging blade and the top
hook. Bead size/numbers/size of blade, decide that important
distance. Never have the blade over hang the top hook. This
pattern seems to fit a firetiger look and works well everywhere.
( in this case the blade is a #3 Indiana)
3. blade size, clevis, line color, hook size
A. #3 silver hammered Indiana blade. folded metal clevis, green
line or very clear line. (never flourescent) #6 salmon egg hooks.
(octopus works but the gap is wider on the salmon egg hooks.)
With a gun at my head, the shell in the chamber, and the hammer cocked, this is how I do it. Period.
Now....go fishing!lol

Steve Fellegy
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PKW-IN.
02-25-2002, 07:53 PM
OK Steve;
We're praying on your "good nature"! How do you decide how much "backing" line to put on any given reel before you put on any given amount of say, "fireline"? Anything better than "trial and error"? Thanks for your time.
Paul K. Wright #715

s.f.
02-25-2002, 08:14 PM
I simply put enough backing of some old, heavy line on but leave enough room for at least 100 or more yards of the good line. Fireline, as thin as it is, will allow you to use lottsa a backing...so the reel is FULL, without too much, however, that might cause line to get inside the spool of a baitcaster or fall off the end of the spool on a spinning reel. So...yes kinda trial and error. lol
NOw...is that Preying? or Praying?lol

Steve Fellegy
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PKW-IN.
02-25-2002, 08:25 PM
Anyway you put it, I was taking a little for granted. Thanks for the help, anyway. That's always the way I do it but thought you might have a much better way.
Paul
snowing pretty hard here now, 10:45 PMcst w/2-3 inches on the ground.
(west central IN.)

PKW-IN.
02-25-2002, 08:39 PM
Steve;
By the way, if I can ever do you a favor or answer any question about bird dogs, just ask away. We have been in the business of raising, training and showing Pointers for over thiry years.
Thanks again.
Paul K. Wright #715
www.geocities.com/wrightkennels/

s.f.
02-25-2002, 09:36 PM
Well, Well. I am truly a (kiddingly, I love ALL dogs, ok Jack?) racist when it comes to dogs. I LOVE German Shorthairs. As we talked about on WC several weeks ago, I had to put my last one down and haven't replaced her. You and I will talk. My next shorthair just needs to be "my kitchen setter".
But those Iowa pheasants are always lookin' over their shoulder to see if I'm on the way.lol Next fall or late summer , I will be touch.
Thanks!

Steve Fellegy
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ski
02-26-2002, 05:41 AM
This proves once again that the Pros on this board have a lot of knowledge and are willing to share with some of us novices. Steve has given you the straight scoop as it is the same info he will share in private if asked. Thanks Steve for being so open and willing to share!!

s.f.
02-26-2002, 06:35 AM
Yeah, and I'm holdin' onto my pants so ya don't get those off too. lol lol Geez, I suppose I won't get away without a comment on that one....lol
Seriously, I'm glad to help. Like any other major league sport such as mine, you, the supporting cast, are what makes it all possible.

Steve Fellegy
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Eyecrosser
02-26-2002, 09:06 AM
I have to agree fully with Ski. It's really great to be able to have some kind of trust on these boards. I also enjoyed talking to you at the walleye expo this year, and sitting in on your seminar. I always look for your responces on this board to get the straight scoop. Thanks again for all your help and advice.

Eyecrosser

Peanut
02-26-2002, 09:22 AM
Steve, in the interests of sharing, I'll make myself available as well: If you ever have any questions about how to get skunked, or nearly so, regardless of how good the bite, just ask. LOL.

Seriously, thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and experience. Us weekend anglers do appreciate the tips.

derrek.

CANADIAN WALLEYE OPEN UP AND SAY "EH"!

"On Sundays some men go to church and daydream about fishing. Others go fishing and think about God."

DR
02-26-2002, 12:34 PM
S.F.

Just a quick question regarding never letting the sinker hit, or
drag bottom. (I agree not to let it drag)

Some would say that the disturbance a sinker makes hitting the bottom is acutally an attraction for the fish. Can I assume you disagree with this theory?

s.f.
02-26-2002, 01:34 PM
DR,

Naturally, one has to touch bottem, periodically, to know where things are relative to bottem. BUT, BUT,BUT... I strongly disagree with any theory that includes a postive influence on the fish, by hitting the bottem with the sinker with any consistentcy. The bait might be a little different case, however. But constant hitting with the bait I feel is also a disaster. That said, here's a scenario and a follow up story.lol Always gotta have one of those stories , ya know.lol
There is a sequence of events that take place in the process of catching a fish or at least getting a bite. One is the fact that the sinker has to pass by the fish before the bait gets to it. So...the affects of the sinker have to be such as to NOT scare the fish out of the strike zone before the bait comes by. Now, I realize there are thousands upon thousands of fish caught in either western, Missouri River reservoirs and Canadian shield lakes, with the sinkers pounding on the bottem. And I always simply say, those are the dumbest, easiest walleyes to catch on earth, when you find them, in those places. BUT, again, you still will catch even more by NOT pounding the bottem in those areas. ENVISION...what walleye would not dart out of the way of some chunk of lead digging or bouncing on the bottem, in it's natural, serene world? PLEASE.....
Now the story...lol
Ron Seelhoff and I are leading the big Golden Walleye Classic in Alberta a few years back, goin' into the final day. Parson's and Kavajecz are sucking hind tit and come up to me that night and ask for help. Among the questions, was one by Keith about how we were fishing the sinkers relative to bottem. So I go into a big speil about draggin' bottem. The next day, naturally, they follow Ron and I to the 'spot'. (I invited them) So, this whole tournament, I have had to threaten Seelhoffs life about draggin' the bottem. He just couldn't get it. So the last day Seelhoff's draggin' again. CONSTANTLY! And I'm fit to be tied, to say the least. And on top of it, P and K are nettin' fish one after the other, yards away. So Seelhoff, after one of my threats that almost drew blood, hollers over to Keith, "are you guys on the bottem or off the bottem with the sinker"? And Keith grins from ear to ear and says, " we're doin' it just the way Steve told us to, six to eight inches off the bottem, NEVER drag." Seelhoff's face got red and he started concentrating, and of course, we started winning money real fast. So there....

Steve Fellegy
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DR
02-26-2002, 01:46 PM
Just askin...

Now another...

How would you explain pounding the bottom with a vertical jig spoon
or plain jig for that matter. The puff of silt/sand appears to me
to be a DEADLY trigger for getting eyes to strike.

s.f.
02-26-2002, 02:18 PM
DUMB,suicidal, starving fish.
In recent years, with the camera in hand, I've watched what happens as the sinker hits the bottem and creates a volcano of "silt". Many times, bait fish come out of no where to that cloud to inhale editable stuff floating from the bomb going off. Walleyes in sight, leave immediately. That said, it is possible, that the huge swarming of baitfish to that given spot, alerted the walleyes to the bait, now moving away from the mess left by the jig or spoon, and follow it. Would I fish that way? NO! I simply have NEVER been out fished by a sinker, jig or whatever, beating on the bottem.

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DR
02-26-2002, 02:32 PM
Here on Lake of the Woods the fish must all be stupid,
starving, and sucicidal.

Fishing in the winter for certain, you WILL get outfished if you aren't pounding the bottom with the jig/spoon. I've seen it happen
a hundred times.

Peanut
02-26-2002, 02:37 PM
Steve, I really appreciate this discussion, for up until now I have been a (gasp!) bottom dragger. Having seen the error of my ways, I must now learn to fix it.

So, my question is a practical one: how do you orient your sinker 6"-8" off (give or take). Do you start trolling, drifting, whatever, find the bottom, and then lift your rod up, reel a little in, what? Also, how often do you try and reaquire the bottom with your sinker so you know where you are?

Finally, I tend to prefer a shorter rig length (say 3'-4'). Does this system still work, or will my rig now be running too high?

Sorry, I guess this turned into 3 or 4 questions. Anyway, take that as a sign of how much we value your thoughts.

All the best,

derrek.

CANADIAN WALLEYE OPEN UP AND SAY "EH"!

"On Sundays some men go to church and daydream about fishing. Others go fishing and think about God."

s.f.
02-26-2002, 03:03 PM
DR,

I agree with your Lake of the woods scenario. Under nourished fish that have to be dumb to survive. They even grow half the speed there as they do in fertile Mille lacs. So keep doin' what works. But remember, I won many dollars on that system with the sinker OFF the bottem, religiously.

Derrick,

You simply free spool line to the bottem, IMMEDIATELY stopping it with your thumb when it hits. If you find that hard to feel, or you have a novice in the boat that can't feel it, just watch the line between the reel and the first eye. It will twitch or go limp momentarily right there. As you watch the underwater eyes you use,
check whenever there is a change by slowly dipping the rod to the water. The comfort position of the rod should be about a foot or ten inches above where the rod/line/sinker hit the bottem, again watching the line between the reel and the eye if needed. Also, be sure to recognize a change to the angle of the line. This will also tell you to check depth, up or down.
The leader length is splained in the first long winded answer. IF it is snaggy, unfortunately, you have to either shorten up or hold the sinker higher. Or if the fish are visibly 2 ft. off the bottem, the long leader will lose it's affect for the above stated reasoning.
I usually never go less than four ft. no matter how snaggy it is.

Okay, okay, I gotta come up for air!

#49er

the legend
02-26-2002, 03:33 PM
Thanks for the input Steve!!! I have been preaching up a theory of mine that pounding the bottom is getting me these fish. I have been outfishing everybody but I'm also using 5/8 oz.leadhead with 3 " twister tail(Big presentation) So i'm going to try your way. what do you do when jigging hit bottom every 3rd or fourth time just to keep in the zone??? Thanks for any help!!!


Paul Surrock

s.f.
02-26-2002, 03:43 PM
I'm gasping for air.....YES....that's what I do.lol lol

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Jane
02-26-2002, 03:44 PM
Steve,

What are your thoughts regarding bottom bouncers?

Do you use them? How long a snell with these? Do you lift from the
bottom here as well?

s.f.
02-26-2002, 04:12 PM
Hey Jane,

Great question....
The dumbest name for a fishing product I have heard is "bottem bouncer". Yes, I fish bottem bouncers when the bottem forces me to. I simply dip the rod so the wire touches once every few minutes to assure me, that I'm in the zone. If you have trouble feeling when the sinker hits as you drop the rod, watch the line between the reel and the first eye. It will twitch when the sinker hits. If it doesn't twitch when you drop the rod a foot, let out more line. If it twitches immediately, wind in a crank and check again. When it is extremely windy, it is hard for even the best to feel this. Watching the line twitch between the reel and eye is a dead give away in any conditions.

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jack
02-26-2002, 05:05 PM
NEVER is a big word. I have found that versatility is more important than any one theory or belief. I'm sure that people have been outfished banging the bottom, and outfished pulling just off the bottom. I am pretty sure that an open mind will usually ourfish a closed one. But then again I'll keep an open mind about that too.
Jack

s.f.
02-26-2002, 05:15 PM
Jack,

I hear ya. And I've been known to be stubborn, to say the least.lol
But, I gotta tell ya...after great debate with all of the best over the years on this very subject, and then looking in the livewell where all the answers become fact or fallacy, I'll just stick to NEVER on this one. Let me know when I need to change, okay? lol
Good luck this year fishin'!

#49
Steve Fellegy

MadMax
02-26-2002, 06:24 PM
Steve great info!! I am taking this all in ( as I am handing Steve the oxygen bottle for another question) Steve...What kind of bottom forces you to use a bottom bouncer and what kind of bottom do you use the three way on with the longer lead to the sinker?? Thank You for all of your information in advance.

s.f.
02-26-2002, 06:59 PM
Thanks for the air! Who the heck started this seminar in the first place? lol lol

First let's start at why I DON'T use a bottem bouncer "MOST of the time. This gets back to the sequence of events we talked of earlier..somwhere in this mess. Anyway...The sinker assembley has to pass the fish first, before the bait, so as NOT TO SCARE the fish out of the strike zone before the bait reaches the fish or attracts the fish. That said, a three-way is just less mass to pass by the fish. The bouncer is quite gawdy, to say the least. In fact,the pound test/diameter of the drop line on the three-way rig can affect the bite. Can one imagine in those cases what a bouncer does to the percentages? So...
The only time I am forced to use a bouncer is when I get snagged by dropping the rod to check the depth with the bell sinker. This obviously is when there are big boulders that the bell sinker slides down in between and doesn't find a way out. ENVISION? The bouncer allows this much better since the thin wire on the bottem end is the first to hit and is less apt to be eaten by the boulders. ONLY when I can't check bottem with my sinker without snaggin' quite often will I use a gawdy bouncer. (stupid name for a sinker! conveys dragging the bottem...geeez) I just hear McClelland...lol lol
Fair questions!

Steve Fellegy
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MadMax
02-26-2002, 07:34 PM
Steve.. I do want to thank you for answering the questions. This is a great thread. I have one more for you. What pound test line do you like to use on your lead going to your spinner and what kind of line? Do you use a lighter line for your lead going to your sinker so if you hang up it will break off easyer?? Once again....Thank You in advance.

s.f.
02-26-2002, 07:51 PM
I use 10lb. Siver Thread for my spinner leaders. 12 for the big bad boys at Saginaw and Erie. Never use less than 10 on a harness...the fish breaks the line in the net between the hooks.
I use six Silver Thread on the drop from 3 way to the sinker. Yes, it saves rigs that way, but more importantly, it is less GAWDY as it goes by the fish.
Now...my tongue is hanging out and I'm stumblin' to the finish line....lol

Steve Fellegy
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eye1
02-26-2002, 08:08 PM
Clap clap clap!!!!!!

Awesome job answering all the questions.

Thanks and have a good one.

the legend
02-26-2002, 09:18 PM
I used to use a small split shot on my drop line from three -way rig. If weight goets hung up a good pull will slide the split shot down and all you have to do is reel in and reload weight.

Dave
02-27-2002, 07:25 AM
S.F.

Do you mainly use three way's? Are you ever concerned that the fish will feel the weight?

When do you change from a "dead" weight to a slip type sinker, and do you mainly pull spinners or just a lindy type rig at times?

One of my quickest rigs to setup is to just use the main line as a snell and set the length of the snell by putting a split shot on the line just ahead of the slip sinker, 6' 8' 12'? just move the split and your set. Have you ever used this method? Does it make any sense?

Dave
02-27-2002, 07:39 AM
EVISION??

Sorry I couldn't resist...lol I love that word.

Dave
02-27-2002, 07:41 AM
Sorry I can't spell....

Envision???

s.f.
02-27-2002, 09:09 AM
Yes, when I am pulling spinners or crankbaits in deep enough water, where the fish aren't spooking from the boat, I use three-ways. Evidently, the sinker weight has no negative affects on a trolling, instinct bite. Our charter boats predominantly fished with three-ways for 35 years. Over hundred thousand walleyes landed in the frying pan, not feelin' a thing, with very novice anglers holding the rod.
The split shot concept, to ajust leader length, scares me to death, to say the least. The pinching flaws the line and only sets up potential failure. I never do something to beat myself. Take the time and re-tie or just stick with the longest leader you can handle.

I go to a slip sinker, of all designs, when I am using a single hook and livebait of all sorts....and money is on the line...and the fish want a livebait,"clean", presentation.

Steve Fellegy
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Dave
02-27-2002, 09:16 AM
I've fished with the split shot method for years, and can't ever remember the line breaking anywhere near the splitshot.

I can see your point however if there is money on the line, no detail is too small.

Dave S
02-27-2002, 09:20 AM
Steve, Thank you a million for your descriptive answers. For 3 ways with long 12' leaders do you use a slip knot on the main line to adjust the leader length? I have hard time jumping from fishing location to the next fishing location trying to stow away long fixed leader / 3 ways rigs. Curious how you put away your 3 ways rods with 12" - 14" drop weight lines, long 12' leaders, etc to keep the drop lines and leaders from becoming tangled.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions!!!

s.f.
02-27-2002, 09:32 AM
lol I guess you've just been lucky. It will eventually happen when the biggest fish of your life is on the line and your drag or back reeling doesn't react perfectly.
I never use adjustable components when using a three-way or anyother sinker arrangement.
When you pull the longer leader rig in and clean the bait off, hold the hook end of the leader, with the swivel end all the way to the end eye, and go around the reel and back up to the eye that is in position to hook onto, making the line taut. Then hold the rod straight up in the air and wrap the sinker line around the pole. Slip the sinker inside the leader line one time and it will not get tangles even when traveling 60 miles an hour in whitecaps. But remember, when taking this rig apart to fish again, the sinker has to unwrap first, then the hooks. Never unhook the hooks until the sinker is free. ENVISION? Juls? lol

Steve Fellegy
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northernhawk
02-27-2002, 09:44 AM
LOTW fish are dumb and undernourished? They might be easy to catch at times, but they can't be any dumber than Erie or Saginaw fish. Plenty of forage of many types so they are definitly not undernourished. Alot of big fat ones caught this winter that's for sure.

Amdahl
02-27-2002, 09:52 AM
Standing "O" for this thread. As I posted earlier today, best fishing info on the web. Period.

Thanks Steve!

Amdahl

DR
02-27-2002, 10:47 AM
Hawk, glad you said it. I was biting my tongue.

Dave
02-27-2002, 10:56 AM
One last question...

So if you have 1 bottom dragger in the boat, it will mess up the
whole operation?

RANGER
02-27-2002, 11:10 AM
Steve,

I just wanted to jump in and say, "Thanks guy"! Great thread!

s.f.
02-27-2002, 11:13 AM
Without fail, any lines, in my opinion, behind the "dragger", are at a huge disadvantage. Cultivating is for farmers and gardners, not fishermen. lol

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Mike(Co)
02-27-2002, 12:17 PM
Steve
I have been following this thread and I really appreciate the info you have provided. I enjoy having you on WC and after talking to you on the phone about your motor, along with the insight you have provided here. I consider you to be a genuine guy and a true sportsman. Thanks for helping us that don't have the time and the years experiance and fishing knowledge you have. It makes our time on the water more enjoyable!

Mike
P.S. I ended up with the 1900 IFS Pro-V

Jerry
02-27-2002, 12:32 PM
I'm very interested in how you run your crankbaits behind a 3 way
rig.

Any insight would be awesome.

Thanks in advance.

Jim Ordway
02-27-2002, 12:33 PM
I will never drag another bottom bouncer, I will never drag another bottom bouncer, I will never drag another bottom bouncer, I will never drag another bottom bouncer, I will never drag another bottom bouncer, I will never drag another bottom bouncer, OK I got it.
Thanks for the great post.

Box
02-27-2002, 12:47 PM
Hey Jim, just don't drag another bottom bouncer... I know I won't :)

Thanks Steve and all others.
- likewise, great thread!

-Box
-I mentioned one other time that Steve, not knowing my bro and me (just a couple dudes at a boat show) helped us to make a much better decision on our motor... thanks for that too, 5 years ago!

s.f.
02-27-2002, 04:52 PM
lol lol I guess old dogs CAN be tought new tricks, afterall. lol lol

#49

s.f.
02-27-2002, 05:04 PM
I always use about a 10-12 ft. leader with cranks off the three-way.
When fishing fish that are within two ft., or less, of the bottem, I use floating lures. When fishing suspended fish, over five ft. off the bottem, I use all kinds and designs. The reason I use cranks on three-ways, is two fold. First, I can surely control the depth much more precisely, without having a reference book to read. And secondly, I simply like to manage my time better this way. I don't wind in or let out 80 to god knows how many yards of line to get to the fish. I use those wonderful off-shore boards to drag my three-ways around in the open -water, suspended fisheries, and put them in the holders when the bad boys are staying under the boat on structure.

Steve Fellegy
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Jerry
02-28-2002, 07:37 AM
SF
How much weight do you use when running cranks on a 3 way rig?

Thanks again.

Mike(Co)
02-28-2002, 07:52 AM
Steve

I understand the concept of long leaders on a three way. How do you manage to land the fish on a 14' leader? Or do you count on standing in the front of the boat and have your partner do the landing?

Good fishing!
Mike

s.f.
02-28-2002, 08:12 AM
I rarely go longer than 12' but mostly at 11-12'. Yes, you have to land the fish from the casting platform, standing on the gunwails or whatever it takes. Of course, 7-8'rods help. Bottme line, many times, without that leader length, you won't have to worry about landing fish.lol

Steve Fellegy
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s.f.
02-28-2002, 08:16 AM
Mainly two ounces or 2 1/2 oz. That way I can easily understand or recognize my speed. A 45 degree line angle is easier to interpret than what I would have to, if using a different size weight.

Steve Fellegy
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ChuckD
02-28-2002, 08:29 AM
Geez, all these years I have been draggin (and catching lots of fish)....I can't wait to NOT drag! Double the fun!
Just this winter I bought an underwater camera to educate myself of the underwater world. I was amazed to see the amount of silt/sand/mud clouds that are a result of a little lure hitting the bottom. It all makes great sense! Thanks Steve.

john
02-28-2002, 08:30 AM
Steve,

Your help here is very much appreciated, it is very clear to me that you are doing what you love to do - passion is everything!

Your presentation technique on 3-ways and crankbaits run in tandem with a trolling board is interesting. Can you elaborate a little further? Say were trolling on the mud, how does one set the correct depth? Do you just drop your rig in the water boatside until it touches bottom, then raise it up a bit and then clip it on the board? Also what crankbaits haven proven most effective for you while doing this, I guessing a floating rap type lure?

Thanks again for your help, your a wonderful resource.

s.f.
02-28-2002, 08:44 AM
If you are referring to MIlle lacs mudflats, I don't use boards. I fish these rigs, with livebait or cranks, in the holders or in hand.
No need for boards on Mille lacs flats UNLESS you want to spread the lines, with more people in the boat. I rarely use boards when I am fishing structure related, tightly schooled fish, such as is the case on Mille Lacs.

MnWalleyeKiller
02-28-2002, 08:53 AM
Hey steve I fish mille lacs alot and you hit it on the head. If anyone ont the boat is draggin forget it. Everyone in the boat has to be aware of this. It makes a huge difference. I have alot of luck with 1 1/2 bells on the change between gravel and mud approx 31 feet.
Good info steve
"Its Time"

JR
02-28-2002, 09:27 AM
Steve,

Can you give a good example of a floating style crank you run
behind your 3way?

I assume you don't like snap weights? Wouldn't they do the same thing with more ease of landing fish?

Gary Gray
02-28-2002, 09:37 AM
Hey Steve,

Nice to see you on WC, sharing some of your tips with the fishermen and fishergals here. Haven't seen you in a long time.

Just wanted to make mention, that Steve is one of the best live bait fishermen in the country. And when it comes to Mille Lac's, he is hard to beat. Steve is great at finding that little something different, that makes them bite.

Thanks for all your goodwill here at WC,

Gary Gray, # 10

s.f.
02-28-2002, 10:08 AM
Hey Mr. gray,

Thanks for the kind words. All this is, is a little grey hair talkin'. You too, are one of the best in the game. Records speak for themselves.

I look forward to seeing you on the trail somewhere too. Might see ya at Winnebago while at the RCL event. I won't beat up on any of "your" fish. Just 'My' spots.... you know where. lol

Good luck on the PWT this year Gary!

Steve Fellegy
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Dave S
02-28-2002, 11:48 AM
Hi Steve: Thank you so much for sharing with us your knowledge of pulling three ways rigs! While the No. 3 Indiana blade is by far and away the most popular spinner blade, curious if you might have any idea what sort of sink rate (versus the 6" drop in 4' for a No. 3 Indiana blade) I might also expect with a No. 5 Colorado blade traveling at the same speed. The blade is significantly heavier but has a larger surface area so maybe doesn't make a difference. Thinking of the large blades for very rusty stained Canadian lakes or in muddy water conditions.

Am I correct in thinking that if I completely remove the spinner blade, the bait will remain essentially horizontal from its attachment point on the 3 - way?

Thanks so much!

s.f.
03-01-2002, 05:55 AM
In regard to the "rusty" water in certain areas relative to blade size/design etc., I still stay with a #3 Indiana. In theory, it should be better with the bigger, thumping blade. That doesn't seem to fit my experiences in those situations. I have done quite well with red blades in that type of water and of course chartruese. Interestingly enough, the most popular local blade color on Lake of the Woods is also a hammered blade. Size#2 and three. That water is as rusty as it gets. I used silver hammered there to win in '93. (by the way, studies show a walleye can HEAR and FIND a 2" fathead minnow from 8' away. So bigger, more sound, surely shouldn't affect things from that perspective, anyway.
Yes, at spinner speed a plain hook rig will ride "flatter". But in regard to blade size making a difference, it doesn't seem drastic, all others things being relative. It's pretty simple physics.

Steve Fellegy
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Kdog
03-01-2002, 06:46 AM
Steve,
I fish alot of leadcore and it seems to me useing leadcore while pulling spinners would be a very effective way to keep your bait right above the bottom.Have you ever tried this method?I know there would be alot more line out but keeping the bait in the ZONE it seems that this would work great.TightLines,Kdog

s.f.
03-01-2002, 05:09 PM
Sure spinners work on leadcore. Mr. Leadcore, Ron Seelhoff has put on many a mile and netted many a walleye on that combo over the years. Me? I just can't see the point in using all that line and time to bring it in and let it out when a more conventional way works with less effort. But, again, YES, leadcore works with spinners and about any combo you tie on the end of it.


Steve Fellegy
#49