Lead Core Help

[skeeter]

I have 2 extra 47LC line counters so I decided to get some lead core on them today. They told me all they could get on was 7 colors of #18 so I had them do it. I am very new to this stuff NEVER used it. They told me I could get down 70 feet with it. I have a problem (maybe more than one not sure yet) I want to get to at least 90 feet where I caught walleye before with bottom bouncers. How can I get my line the next 20 feet. OH and I will have probably 40 ft of 10 or 12 mono on the lead end as well. Any answers? Thanks Nels Larsen



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[papascot]

You might get to 70ft if your at an absolute crawl, I mean not even fast enough to turn a harness blade.. I would figure more like 25-35ft at normal speeds depending on lure and leader. You can put a snap weight on the backing to gain additional depth and still get the action of the lead. but you would probably need to use braid backer with 7 colors to have enough room to let out backer and still have some line left on the reel.

I use 47lc for no more than 5 colors, you want to have enough backing to have a somewhat full spool or the cranking will be a workout! Just imagine the last time you sat down and filled a 47 with fresh line, now imagine doing that for every fish you hook up with.

Scott

[skeeter]

Can you add a snap weight to the lead core?


Use the WALLEYE CENTRAL BUSINESS DIRECTORY "Skeeters Stuff" under marine supplies (BOAT CLEANING supplies), it really does work and so do the products.

http://www.walleyecentral.com/wcdirectory/fullpage.php?ckey=29

[Boatnut]

Downriggers!! :)
Mike (aka Boatnut)

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[Mark B.]

Personally I haven't done much on leadcore.. at least in central basin lake erie. For as much work as they are I found it just isn't worth it. You never really know the exact depth and 300' of line to bring in to check for white bass gets old.
I really enjoy managing muliple lines, riggers, boards, dispys,, but the leadcore just never produced enough to make it worth it for us.
Mark

[Chad M]

I think that you would have to have too much line out to get hat deep. You need something heavier.

What about a 3 way with a 4oz drop weight or a 4 oz bouncer? Or others mentioned down riggers.

[skeeter]

You are right Chad, I have fished the area with bottom bouncers that Perchjerker (http://perchjerker0.tripod.com/) made for me and they work great. Especially the ones with the blades on them I found. I guess that if I want to learn Lead Core I will have to do it in closer. :( Skeeter


Use the WALLEYE CENTRAL BUSINESS DIRECTORY "Skeeters Stuff" under marine supplies (BOAT CLEANING supplies), it really does work and so do the products.

http://www.walleyecentral.com/wcdirectory/fullpage.php?ckey=29

[Chad]

Sometimes we anglers overthink a solution. Sometimes there is a simpler presentation.


ChadM

[Papascot]

Skeeter, you can get to 90 ft using copper but it would probably take 300-400ft of 45lb copper line it is similar to leadcore but it heavier so it will get deeper with lower amounts of line. This set up will take a BIG reel def not a 47.

Scott

[skeeter]

I have decided to stick to shallower water to learn the darn core stuff i guess. Thanks everyone for your help and direction. Nels


Use the WALLEYE CENTRAL BUSINESS DIRECTORY "Skeeters Stuff" under marine supplies (BOAT CLEANING supplies), it really does work and so do the products.

http://www.walleyecentral.com/wcdirectory/fullpage.php?ckey=29

[AJ]

You said all they could get on was 7 colors? I just bought 4 line counters, 47LC. In the store they said they put on 10 colors of 18#. It's to the top of the spool. I'm just wondering why they didn't put on 10 colors for you? I think that's how it comes when you buy it. I guess I won't now for sure until I get out fishing because I don't think I should check it until I'm in the boat. If I was fishing that deep I would use a bottom bouncer.

[Papascott]

AJ did they put on any backer?

[AJ]

I just checked the line and they did put on 10 colors with about 40 ft. of mono first. They are my first lead core reels so I don't know much about it. If you have 7 colors maybe you have more mono on. We need to get fishing and off the computer I think. Good luck!

[Boboh]

I have run 47's with 10 colors of lead on them for years with no problem...I use 10-12lb mono for backing, but off the top of my head, I cannot remember how much.

[JJ Mac]

Nels,

It's my belief that when using leadcore, once you start getting over 50 feet, it becomes a less and less desirable a technique for getting down to the bottom. Snap weights, bottom bouncers, inline weights, downriggers, etc. become much more efficient and effective. Besides, I get enough practice reeling in full cores fishing for silver fish!

You can add a snap to leadcore. Works great actually, because it gives more depth control without having to have so many rigs on the boat with different amounts of leadcore. If you want the equivalent of five colors just use a 2 oz snap with a three color rig, for example. Snap it on your backer after you've let all the lead out.

To integrate leadcore into your routine, I'd run them suspended over that deep water. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how many fish that are suspended up high, but you don't pick up on the sonar. Run your leadcore program off the outside boards and do your bottom bouncer and deeper program off the inside rods. I'd be willing to bet you'll catch fish off just 3 or 4 colors of core. A five color rig would be good too with the option of adding a snap weight. Then you can pick up fish down low and up high at the same time.

[chuckerrr2001]

Skeeter,
I believe you were given poor advice.
7 colors of lead core will never get you 70 feet.
At 2 mph you can expect 5-7 maybe 8 feet of depth per color depending on your lure. Slower speeds will give you more depth. Faster, and you will get less depth.
I agree with the downrigger idea. If that isn't stealthy enough, use what salmon guys call a SWR. Which is put off a downrigger. It is your lure, 30 feet of mono or fluorocarbon, 2 colors of leadcore then backing which is usually 12 to 20 pound mono. Attach the release to your backing, not the leadcore. That will get you 10 feet below the cannonball and 30 yards or more behind the boat.
If you don't have downriggers, use a dipsey diver on braided line.

[ShadBuster UL]

Have PJ build a heavier bottom bouncer.