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Raybob
04-08-2008, 02:15 PM
-I just read this...

ERIC SHARP
No-hassle fishing on international waters
Report only if you land in Canada

April 6, 2008

U.S. anglers who take boats into Canadian waters don't have to report to customs officers upon returning to the United States if they do not make a landfall in Canada, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said this past week.

"There has been some confusion about this," said Michael Balero, a Customs and Border Protection spokesman. "Nothing has really changed. (Boaters) do not have to report unless they land at a Canadian port."

So here are the rules, as they were told to me by Balero:

• If you go into Canadian waters to fish, and you don't land in Canada or tie up to the Canadian shore, you don't have to report to U.S. authorities when you come back to the U.S. side.

• If you are fishing in Canadian waters, you are allowed to anchor. Anchoring offshore does not constitute "a call at a foreign port or place," the importance of which will become clear in a minute.

• You do not need to have a passport to return from a fishing trip on Canadian waters.

The confusion began a couple of weeks ago when Ohio charter boat captains were told by Customs and Border Protection officials in Cleveland that the rules had changed and pleasure boaters and anglers would have to report to customs if they motored into the Canadian waters of Lake Erie on fishing trips.

Even if they merely entered Ontario Canadian waters and returned without touching land, the captains were told they and their customers would have to carry passports or other approved government IDs and either report in person or telephone from an authorized government reporting station at a marina.

In addition, the skipper and crew of the boats were told that they would be required to fill out paperwork and learn new rules before the season, and charter captains would also have to fax in daily lists of their customers, including personal information like citizenship and birthdates.

This is a big deal in the Ohio and Michigan waters of the Great Lakes and connecting rivers, because those two states share water boundaries with Ontario that anglers from both sides of the border cross routinely on fishing trips.

In fact, there are often days when the bulk of American anglers fishing for walleyes, muskellunge or perch are on the Canadian side, because that's where the fish are.

Customs and Border Protection officials in other areas, including Detroit, had been attending meetings with charter boat skippers and fishing clubs and telling people that they did not have to report to customs when they returned from a casual trip to Canadian waters. So the Cleveland announcement caused no end of confusion and consternation, especially among charter boat captains, who said it would cost them customers who didn't want the hassle.

Of course, if you do enter Canada or merely tie up someplace on the Canadian shoreline, you are required to notify the Canadian immigration officials and report to U.S. Customs and Border Protection upon returning. That law has been in place for more than a century.

If you fish Ontario waters, you must have an Ontario license and obey Ontario's fishing rules.

And it's just common sense to carry identification when fishing or hunting. Anglers are required to carry a fishing license in both Michigan and Ontario, and because it's simply a paper permit without pictures, anglers need to be able to prove identity with a driver's license or other photo ID.

The statement by Customs and Border Patrol officials in Washington should put to rest the confusion about boats traveling between U.S. and Canadian waters.

Contact ERIC SHARP at 313-222-2511 or esharp@freepress.com

http://www.freep.com/

da old fart,
Bebob da I-Bobray

BGunn
04-09-2008, 04:06 AM
That's exactly what I was told by the Buffalo NY office of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection all along.
It sounds like someone in the some office just doesn't like fishermen.
We once had one like that in this area that was in charge of the State Park Police. He once told me that it was totally illegal to run any ATV on any ice in New York State !!!
Even the cops working for him knew he was wrong, but they were put in a squeeze between their idiot boss, and the public until someone had to go to court and show the jerk was wrong.
Sometimes you wonder how people like that got their jobs in the first place. The people in England have a saying for things like that. Look up "Bob's your uncle" on google...


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Toolman
04-09-2008, 11:52 AM
Sounds like the Gastapo at the Cleveland Charter Boats meeting had his "facts" wrong. I hope this new info is correct.

Tim

slipbob
04-09-2008, 12:50 PM
> He once told me that it was totally
>illegal to run any ATV on any ice in New York State !!!
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I live in NY and it is actually illegal to use an atv on the ice here on any lake but it's only enforced occasionally on "select" lakes. If you have a snowmobile on the ice at those lakes it's fine but not quads. We use our quads all the time for icefishing but you can't put them on at a state park but once you're on the lake they don't bother you as long as you have insurance and registration and a helmet.

BGunn
04-09-2008, 03:05 PM
slipbob,
Do you live in Wyoming County?
You must have listened to that Park Cop Boss.
Here's the exact laws governing things you can't do with an ATV in NYS.

YOU MAY NEVER OPERATE AN ATV:

Other than while seated on the permanent, regular seat.
With a passenger, unless the ATV is designed to carry a passenger.
At a speed too fast for existing conditions or potential hazards.
In a careless, reckless or negligent manner.
While intoxicated or impaired by alcohol or drugs.
On the tracks or right-of-way of a railroad.
On a highway, if the ATV is equipped with studded tires other than automobile-type studs.
In a tree nursery or planting in a manner which damages or destroys growing stock or creates a substantial risk of damage or destruction.
Within 100 feet of a dwelling between midnight and 6 A.M. at a speed greater than necessary to keep the ATV moving.
While pulling a person on skis, a toboggan, sleigh, sled or trailer, unless the device is attached to the ATV by a tow-bar or other rigid connection.
On the ice or public water within 100 feet of a person, fishing shanty or shelter at a speed greater than necessary to keep the ATV moving.
Over an area cleared of snow for skating, unless necessary for access to public waters.


Now how in heck are you going to be able to do the last two if your not allowed on the ice :confused:

Here's the NYS DMV's page with ATV laws..

http://www.nysgtsc.state.ny.us/media/atv-tip.htm


Show me the law that says you can't go on ANY ice in NYS....


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slipbob
04-09-2008, 03:48 PM
Can't argue with that! I was obviously given some bogus info by someone along the way relating to one of the local lakes here where people have received tickets by our Sheriff department for operating atv's on the ice. Upon further research it's more of a local ordinance not a state law as you found out that the person thought applied statewide and I never thought twice about it because I was told it just wasn't enforced. Thanks for the info and the correction. The one thing that is a definite is you cannot put an atv on the ice from a NY state park. I was kindly told twice this past winter by one friendly state park police officer who wouldn't let me access the lake from the park with my quad on two seperate occasions. I was told if there was at least 5" of snow I could put my snowmobile on there though.

no1son
04-11-2008, 07:05 AM
Sounds like you guys have the same sort of hybrid regulation and enforcement that we have here in the Minneapolis park system. The parks that surround the lakes and their attached parking close at 10 pm. The fishing docks are DNR property and do not close with the park system rules. City cops who take over for the park patrol after 10 pm and ticket late parking on the park lots will often order night fishermen off the docks, thinking that park closing rules do not stop at the shore line. DNR wardens have verified that park closing times do not apply to "their" docks just to the park access leading up to them, but not all Minneapolis city police give enough of a #### and if you get the wrong one simply pointing out his mistake will be considered an offense. This mixed enforcement is a mess. In this case the professional acting ones are the DNR wardens and the last ones you want involved are the city police.