Doug Stange and the Gulp 5 inch Swim Shad ?

[kevinpa]

I bought some of these and was hyped after watching in-fishermans show..is anyone familiar with these and do they work as good as they say ?? gees I know they were on good walleye lakes and seemed like every other cast Doug Stange was killing them, but just want to go out and try these this week.any tips or info greatly appreciated, or is this another infomercial for Berkley ? thanks

[Klaas Act - Rich Ziert]

It's hard not to get with the program. Remember though, all fishing shows are not the same. In-Fish, and Lindner’s Edge are the best (IMHO). But even these are not shot in real time. The fish they catch are the same as any other above average fisherman catches. . . one at a time. . . with an unknown measure of time between catches. If you observe closely sometimes you can see the "takes" occur at diff spots and diff times of the day, as well as on different lakes. What you don't see is that a 30 minute show can take as much as an average of 2 weeks on the water. The very real point being made is that the baits work, and they simply can't do that without some form of "theatricks"(poignantly misspelled on purpose). The bottom line is they are doing the best they can with what they have and knowing the public is their foremost benefactor. These guys and gals absolutely know that if they lose their integrity, everything they do is for naught.

As for the swim baits Berkeley is a decent choice (again-track record of integrity). But there are others that will do as well or better under equal circumstances. Please don't get the idea that Doug or Al, or, or, or, want to leave you with the idea that there are magic baits that will solve all your problems. While there are benefits to better baits, equipment choices, being a good fisherman starts and ends with you, not your tackle. It’s knowing what you have, and how to use it the best way you can that makes the difference.

There are currently two active threads on this board for swim baits. Please look them up along with searching this site for others. This place is the bees knees for good info. . . mostly.

[kevinpa]

You are 100 % correct, I have been fishing eyes long enough to know there is no magic bait. The best way to catch those toothy critters is to use what is captured between your 2 ears. I can still remeber when I started trolling and caught my first eye on a rainbow deep jr thunderstick when locals said there are NO walleyes in this lake ( local lake in western Pennsylvania) That year I caught 260 eyes out of that lake,returned there a few weeks ago after a 6 year stint in Fla. and slaughtered them again. I do read these boards and retain what I think is most important, thanks for the reply, just wondered if anyone had much success with Gulp swim baits, thanks again

[Chad]

All situational too, right lake, right time, right bait.

There are times that you and I have all been in that you can catch em on anything you can toss out.


ChadM

[coon tail]

100% weeds at night what a delight fireline 7'rod look for bait popping around weeds and drop offs they do work..

[Backwater Eddy]

Swimbaits work very well on larger walleye. Several good swimbait options out there right now, most will do the trick. From 4.5" to 5" plus catch hogs when they are hitting larger offerings.

I plan to tinker more with trolling options with Swimbaits this fall on known sumo walleye waters. I expect big things to pop up from this presentation on certain waters.

What I have already found is that the larger Hollow Belly style Swimbaits run best with the Butt Dragger style bass hook rigging. You either have to jig weight them in the front, or rig them bass style with rear weight placement to get the best action. Center weighting makes them roll and you loose action. A combination of a nose weight and a rear weight may be the best trolling rig? I'm, still tinkering with that rig and will give feedback to how it works.

But...Yup...swim baits catch hogs.

Ed "Backwater Eddy" Carlson
"ED on the RED"
><,sUMo,>

"I would rather go fishing and think of GOD, Then go to church, and think of FISHING"

*Grandpa Art Carlson*

[stinkycat]

I also have seen Doug use these several times but have not tried them. I would like to see what he was using again but could not find the old show archives on there web site.

Any Ideas on how to find and view these old shows would be appreciated.

Thanks!

[DUDE ul]

I have seen stange fish these on his show alot, but have never tried it. But I would make a bet that in the fall time of year it would work for sure. Fish are fattening up for the winter, and usually eat bigger baits in the fall.

[Nimstug]

Just to amplify RZ's remarks...

About 8 years ago, the son and I were at a lodge on Eagle Lake, when a TV muskie fisherman shows up for a 4 day stay to tape a program.

During dinner one evening, he commentted about the new shirts he received from his boat sponsor. He was appreciative but said the problem with them was that they were all different colors. He said it would have been better if the shirts were all them same so he could use them on multiple days of fishing. That way he would look the same no matter what the day he caught fish. BTW, he got skunked.

I'd really like to see a fishing program where they pull up on a spot and let the tape roll for the required time-no cuts. Tells us why you are there, why you chose the lure and then why you think you did or didn't catch a fish. Go ahead, show us the dinks like we (I) catch, if you catch anything. And don't use a wide angle lens and hold the fish away from you so it appears bigger than it really is.

O.K., I'm taking this thread in the wrong direction. Sorry.

Nimstug

Any team can have a bad century.
-J. Brickhouse

[karpbuster]

The banjo minnow ... is the best bait. I just saw the info-mercial.

I have more baits than I can try in my lifetime. I have tons of gulp swim shads, and yes the banjo minnow. Dooh! LOL Don't tell my wife.

She thinks I am more gullible than that Bass on the Banjo Minnow commercials.

But I have caught fish on the Gulp Swim Shad ... so there.

karpbuster :banging:

[Klaas Act - Rich Ziert]

Maybe the following goes without saying, but I'm going to write it anyway. Swim Baits (especially kick tails IMHO)are the closest thing to (realistic) live bait. Find out what the natural forage looks like and match the color pattern. Fish them as live bait. . . slow is better than fast. If you stick these baits under or reasonably close to the nose of predators they will attack. Because of the mostly real clear water in Canada, "resonably close" can be several yards. I've seen big Northers attack from as much as 30 yards away. You still have to present the bait properly and in the right places.Fish them way shallow and you may very well have birds diving on them. Actually, if you can do that on purpose and have the bait dive to avoid the bird, it will be a bite trigger for the predator fish in the area.

[Unregistered]

But I have caught fish on the Gulp Swim Shad ... so there.

karpbuster :banging:

Well? did you catch any on the Banjo Minnow?

[GBS (unlogged)]

I'll report back...I bought every color of shad Bass Pro had, and the Owner jig heads (from Cabella's) he talks up. Score so far: 1 northern (20"), 1 largemouth (3lb), 1 smallmouth (18") no walleye from Kabetogama or north metro Twin Cities lakes. Leave in the morning for northern Manitoba. Bazillions of walleye and the lodge promises at least one 40" northern......we'll see how well it does against tried and true jigs or Dare Devils, etc.

BTW - Doug Stange does a LOT of his filming in Ontario, and yes if you are at a lake where you can catch walleye on a salted minnow, or catch 100 per day on twister tails...then anything can look pretty good.

[capnlee]

karpbuster,

I have some Flyin' Lures I'll sell ya...cheap!

[karpbuster]

Well ... I swam it around a pond here in Albuquerque that has large trout that have seen every bug and lure in the world a hundred times a day. I left the hook off, and yes they ate it. They were all very interested in it, and then they just grabbed it.

I need to try it more often ... it takes some practice to swim it or let die and dart.

karpbuster

[karpbuster]

Wow Capn Lee ... even I don't have that one. LOL

karpbuster

[GBS (unlogged)]

OK, back from Reed Lake, Manitoba. The swim shad did well with the northerns. They did better than Husky Jerks, but not as well as #5 Red and White Mepps. 5-15 plus 30" fish every day. 2-3 plus 40" fish every day. My best was 51" on a Mepps, 45" on the red and green and white "christmas" Swim Shad. Other shad colors less effective for the Northern.

Walleyes? Fishing was pretty slow on the main lake for walleye. Did a flyout to a remote lake, and personaly boated 60 in the 18-27" range. All on jigs with frozen minnows or with Gulp. Tried the shad in "shad" colors, for about an hour, without a single tap in the same spots that others were catching walleye. A Mepps used by another party looking for Northern in the same lake caught a 27 1/2, a 31" and a 33" (!) Walleye. Didn't find out about that until the plane came to get us, darn!

[Blue Fin]

What kind of Mepps? I leave in 3 weeks for my trip to Ontario and saw the IN Fish show last night on the swim baits. I am not too excited about paying $10 for 3 of them and having a 20" northern chew up one right away.

[orchard frank]

I've done a little experimenting with trolling these baits here in the LBDN area, think they have some promise. I've only used the ones with jigheads molded right in, have to kind of guess on the depth using weight of lure (usually 1/2 or 3/4 oz.) and speed, have to let them out slow and let your board just "click" it's way out, but they have the property of really diving on a slow down or when on the inside of a turn. I have caught a few fish around the alewives by letting them plummet around the schools, or when I'm in a known fish area. Trying to look like a dying ? alewive, or maybe just look different. Have never been really hot for me, but just enough that I want to keep fooling around with them. When they hit, they really hit. Had a double on them once, one was a pike, the other a king salmon. Fish were so dumb they didn't know I was fishing for walleye.

[Backwater Eddy]

I found out big Catfish like them too. ;)

[Binks61]

Karpbuster got me thinking, I too have a suitcase of the plastic dujor that I'll never use. Always seem to go back to the worm harness. Anyway...How long WILL plastics last in the bag????

[AllenW]

Karpbuster got me thinking, I too have a suitcase of the plastic dujor that I'll never use. Always seem to go back to the worm harness. Anyway...How long WILL plastics last in the bag????

I've had some going on three years now, leave them in the sun and that time shortens dramaticily..:)

A

[MT_Cranker]

I've had some luck with the big hammer swimbaits that he discussed in one of his articles. The tail really gives off a distinct wobble that is different from many of the others.

[ShadTaxi]

The fish they catch are the same as any other above average fisherman catches. . . one at a time. . . with an unknown measure of time between catches.

Ziert:

I always count how many times these guys change clothes to get the number of days. This works except for the guys that don't ever change clothes:muahaha:

[ShadTaxi]

Karpbuster got me thinking, I too have a suitcase of the plastic dujor that I'll never use. Always seem to go back to the worm harness. Anyway...How long WILL plastics last in the bag????

Hahaha. I have the same plastics that I used as a kid. 30 years and going strong.

[stevie]

the swim shads,hollow bellys and other paddle tail swim baits can be dynamite especially on big eyes.
just google and take a look at reaction strike also they got an excellent line of swim baits.
we regularly take big eyes,pike,and an occasional musky fishing swim baits over suspended and rising cisco schools but they will work in rivers (we do well on them at green bay in the spring outfishiing other plastics as well as livebait),excellent for fishing weed/ripping cover,and the vibs help fish home in on them in dirty water and at nite.
steve herbeck
andy myers lodge

[alexson]

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[ffishman]

I started throwing the Berkley Swimbait this year. Not all the time, but occasionally. So far, nada.