So, it's been a full week into the Ranger Dealer Meetings. There must be some info about any new boats or style changes by now. Let's hear it!!!

Nobody has any news?

The 1760 Angler has been re-rated to 150hp and widenened to a 95.5" beam.

The 1760 Angler has been re-rated to 150hp and widenened to a 95.5" beam.


Fred, if that is true, I am going to have a 1760 in my garage next year!!!!!!!! Are you sure?????????

The info was passed on from a Ranger dealer to a friend who is also interested in the 1760.

From what I see on the 2008 brochure, the 1760 is already at 95.5" beam. Maybe they just upped the HP rating to 150. It would be nice if they added 25HP to the 1860 too.

Lodiman

From what I see on the 2008 brochure, the 1760 is already at 95.5" beam. Maybe they just upped the HP rating to 150. It would be nice if they added 25HP to the 1860 too.

Lodiman



I see in my Ranger brochure that the 1760 is 94 inches in beam alone and 95.5 inches for the beam with rubrail included.

It will be interesting to see what the actual changes in the boat are. I have heard that the HP limit is a calculation based on 3 things -- if I recall, 2 of them are beam and length and I think the 3rd was weight -- but it was a conversation that I heard only in passing and I may be misremembering what I heard. We shall see, I guess.

I was always told that the 130hp rating was to keep the boat in a certain price range. I owned a 617 that was only a couple inches longer and quite a bit more narrow and those were rated for 150hp??? It was probably hard to sell the boat with only 115's due to the weight of the boat and still being fairly expensive. It may be a good thing for this model, but will they make HP changes on the 1850 to keep them in a little different category?? Otherwise, the price will not be that far apart. I personally own a 1850 with a 150 etec and love the boat and motor. Not great on the top end, but a lot of punch out of the hole and mid range. Still hit 46-48 on GPS, but with a 200, this boat would fly!!!

After thinking about this move (assuming it is true), I suspect this is being done for 2 reasons --

1. It was indeed probably hard to sell that boat with a top end of 42 mph with the max of 130 hp. I think Ranger misjudged the market. That boat will sell better with a 150 on it and be a very different animal. If they maxed out the 618vs at 150 (just 6 inches longer at 18 feet and 11 or 12.5 inches narrower at 83 inches -- depending on whether you use 94 or 95.5 for the 1760) that 1760 was not anywhere in the same league. Further, it was not even in the same league as the old 617 either, while rated at 130 with the 617 being rated at 150. Looks to me like a marketing miss.

2. Ranger is probably seeing some of the same downturn in the market that the other boat manufacturers are seeing and are trying to pump up sales of some of their more affordable boats which have mid-sized motors. No boat gets good gas mileage. But I would think a boat maxed-out at 150 would be more sellable than a boat maxed out at 225 or250, especially the 1760 with its more-fisherman friendly layout than the old 617.


I think the comment about re-rating the 1860 max hp is right on the money. Ranger won't want the 1760 cutting into 1860 sales.

any changes to the fisherman series?????

I know there's 2 things I'd love to see:


1. a true 618vs based on the 618t hull
2. 618t rated for 115hp



If they did either one of these, I'd know my next boat. If they did both, I'd really have a fun decison to make.

I understand that thye ahve made changes to the 618T rated for a 115. Also made changes to teh 620, rated for a 200, and made some interior changes as well

I understand that thye ahve made changes to the 618T rated for a 115. Also made changes to teh 620, rated for a 200, and made some interior changes as well

I just called a Ranger dealer and was told no changes to the 618T (still 90hp). He did confirm the that the 620T has been increased to 200hp along with some modificaitons to the boat itself. BTW the 618VS is no more for 2009.

This is so frustrating. In my opinion the 620 does not need 200hp, while the 618T which clearly could benefit from an HP bump gets neglected once again. What is Ranger thinking??? I'm guessing a 620T with 200hp will be over $45k!

Any word on the 1860?

I'm dropping my boat off at my dealer tonight, I don't know if the guys that went to the meeting are back yet but I will ask them about any changes they know of to the multi species boats, if I hear something I'll post tomorow.

I just called a Ranger dealer and was told no changes to the 618T (still 90hp). He did confirm the that the 620T has been increased to 200hp along with some modificaitons to the boat itself. BTW the 618VS is no more for 2009.

This is so frustrating. In my opinion the 620 does not need 200hp, while the 618T which clearly could benefit from an HP bump gets neglected once again. What is Ranger thinking??? I'm guessing a 620T with 200hp will be over $45k!

The 618 tiller's horsepower isn't a decision made at Ranger, it's the Coast Guard that comes up with the formula. It's simply not long and wide enough to rate it 115.
You are correct about the 620 tiller, it doesn't "need" a 200 to perform, and I expect we'll sell a number of them with engines quite a bit smaller than that. For the record, with boats over 20' the manufacturer can put engine sizes on those pretty much at their discresion.
That said, here are some pictures of the new 620 tiller.


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/The_Esox/dealer%20meeting/620t1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/The_Esox/dealer%20meeting/620t2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/The_Esox/dealer%20meeting/620t3.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/The_Esox/dealer%20meeting/620t4.jpg

The last picture is the storage box behind the driver's chair. It's divided to hold Plano 3700 size boxes and it'll fit a ton of them.


Joe Carlson

couple more.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/The_Esox/dealer%20meeting/620t5.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/The_Esox/dealer%20meeting/620t6.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/The_Esox/dealer%20meeting/620t7.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/The_Esox/dealer%20meeting/620t8.jpg


The eagle eyes in the group will also notice the snap in carpet and yes, it's red flake under there.

Joe Carlson

Before I bought my 1860 I was talked quite a bit with Ranger enginering and marketing folks. I was told that the HP decisions have as much to do with marketing a particular boat as it does with the boats capabilities. Although they would not come right out and say it, my take was that the 1860 would not receive a 200 HP rating because they did not want it to compete with the 619. The same holds true for the lack of color other than white, the tournament boats have more choices. I would guess they make more margin on the 50K 619 than the 40K 1860. I ended up the a 175 on my 1860 but do not see any reason a 200 would not have benn approved for that hull.

The 1750/60 would be a little different as there is not a tournament boat for it to compete with. I would think giving it a 150HP would help sales in that market space. THe boat is only 100LB lighter than the 1850/60 so I would think it would put it in the 50MPH range with a 150 on it.

Lodiman

Grandpa Joe,

How many inches in beam and/or length would Ranger have to increase the 618T to get a 115hp rating?

The Warrior 1890BT has the same beam and is even 1" shorter than the 618T, yet it is rated for a 140 w/steering assist so go figure. ??????

Thanks for the photos of the 620T. No reason they can't incorporate most of that into the 618, yet here we are left hanging once again.

Thanks for the pics great looking rig

The Warrior 1890BT has the same beam and is even 1" shorter than the 618T, yet it is rated for a 140 w/steering assist so go figure. ??????

Thanks for the photos of the 620T. No reason they can't incorporate most of that into the 618, yet here we are left hanging once again.

Yeah, well I don't know how Warrior does that, but it doesn't work with the Coast Guard formula at all. I don't know the exact formula required to be able to get a 115 on that boat. I've got quite a bit of time in a 618t with a 90 etec and I don't know why you'd need more engine than that, it was a sweet combo in my opinion.
The 618 tiller now has quite a few of the same traits in the new 620t and I thought I had a picture of the layout, but I can't find it on my camera.

Joe Carlson

Grandpa Joe,

How many inches in beam and/or length would Ranger have to increase the 618T to get a 115hp rating?

Did some checking around and it appears that the Coast Guard formula for HP ratings on hulls less than 20 feet is as follows:

(LxWx2) -90

L = Length in feet
W= Beam in Feet

Tiller models also get a 50% reduction in HP

So for the Ranger 618T (L = 18'4" and W = 90"), the computed horsepower is 92.5HP.

If we back out what it would take to get this rated for 115HP (assuming we keep the beam at 90"), the boat would need to be 21' 4" long, which makes this rather pointless since once you go over 20' USCG HP ratings don't apply.

Even if you were to increase the beam up to 95", the required length would still be over 20'.

So, it looks like there is no way to get a tiller boat under 20' in length rated over 100HP unless you can get the USCG to change the 50% HP reduction for tillers. Perhaps that what we all need to start lobbying the marine industry and USCG for.

Thanks St. Croix,

Maybe Ranger can figure out how to reduce the weight of this boat by several hundred pounds while maintaing or increasing the strength of the hull to improve the performance with a 90hp outboard.

Grampa Joe,

How many seconds to plane with the 90hp E-Tec and what is the top end speed on the GPS?

Did some checking around and it appears that the Coast Guard formula for HP ratings on hulls less than 20 feet is as follows:

(LxWx2) -90

L = Length in feet
W= Beam in Feet

Tiller models also get a 50% reduction in HP

So for the Ranger 618T (L = 18'4" and W = 90"), the computed horsepower is 92.5HP.

If we back out what it would take to get this rated for 115HP (assuming we keep the beam at 90"), the boat would need to be 21' 4" long, which makes this rather pointless since once you go over 20' USCG HP ratings don't apply.

Even if you were to increase the beam up to 95", the required length would still be over 20'.

So, it looks like there is no way to get a tiller boat under 20' in length rated over 100HP unless you can get the USCG to change the 50% HP reduction for tillers. Perhaps that what we all need to start lobbying the marine industry and USCG for.


Then back to my original question, why can Warrior get away with it for their 1890 BT? I'm not doubting or arguing, I'd just like to understand why the disparity between the two.

Then back to my original question, why can Warrior get away with it for their 1890 BT? I'm not doubting or arguing, I'd just like to understand why the disparity between the two.
Looking at this USCG boatbuilders guide (starting at page 4 or 5) http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatbuilders.pdf my guess is that the Warrior system is considered "remote" steering. Look at Warriors website regarding thier pro-tiller system, it pretty clearly defines the use of the OB tiller handle at only slow speeds, and use of the remote, electro-hydraulic system at running speeds. I have no idea if they actually have an interlock designed in, to prevent the OB tiller handle from moving the motor at speed. And since the USCG doesn't seem to limit HP in the over-20' class, that's why we're seeing the higher-HP motors and power tiller steering systems being offered predominately in the bigger boats.
HRG

Coast gaurd rating are as follows

Length of boat (618T) = 18.33

Width of boat (618T) = 7.50

Length x width x .8 (factor) - 25 = hp rating for a tiller

18.33 x 7.50 = 137.475 x .8 = 109.98 - 25 = 84.98 hp

The factor is figured for a boat with a 20 inch transom. Also the length and width make a factor that is rounded up so the 137.475 is called 138. So 138 x .8= 110.4 - 25 = 85.4 hp. Can be rounded up to 90 hp. A completely different factor is used for a remote steering boat. Hence the Warrior is a remote steering system so a different factor is used. Therefore more horsepower can be used.

Ding ding we have a winner, remote steer is what Warrior uses. The coast gaurd thinks it is safer to use your thumb instead of a power tiller system on a 18ft boat. I think a 90 is fine, if 5 mph makes me catch more fish I need some help!

Coast gaurd rating are as follows

Length of boat (618T) = 18.33

Width of boat (618T) = 7.50

Length x width x .8 (factor) - 25 = hp rating for a tiller

18.33 x 7.50 = 137.475 x .8 = 109.98 - 25 = 84.98 hp

The factor is figured for a boat with a 20 inch transom. Also the length and width make a factor that is rounded up so the 137.475 is called 138. So 138 x .8= 110.4 - 25 = 85.4 hp. Can be rounded up to 90 hp. A completely different factor is used for a remote steering boat. Hence the Warrior is a remote steering system so a different factor is used. Therefore more horsepower can be used.

Thanks Trailhound, you got it right, the 50% reduction I saw for Tillers must have been an approximation as it is pretty close to your answer.

So is the 618t floor plan redesigned for 2009; similar to the 620t? Is that a 150hp shown in the pictures?

The new 620 t looks good except the anchor storage looks kind of goofy. I doesn't look like theres any room in there for some chain and rope. Are you suppose to tie and untie your rope every time you use your anchor? and it looks like only that anchor will fit in there. I would have thought that Ranger would have put the TM batteries in the floor like the other 620, would have made for alot more bow storage for rain gear etc. I do really like that integrated step and the fibreglass wash down floor.

What size Verado is that hanging on the transom ? Speed numbers?

Ranger really did a great job on the new layout. Just think no more crawler dirt mashed into the carpet, got to love it.

I believe the Verado is a 200 in the picture. I have not heard what troll and top end were on the boat. With the new rating it really gives on a very wide range of H.P. and make for the buyer, pretty much whatever you like you can hang.


George Feder

RANGER BOATS INTRODUCES REDESIGNED 618T/620T TILLER MODELS

FLIPPIN, Arkansas - Whether multi-species anglers fish for money or for fun, tiller boats are as linked to walleye and musky fishing as bucktails and crawler harnesses. But just because tiller boats are steeped in tradition doesn't mean they have stopped evolving. New for 2009, Ranger has redesigned the 618T and 620T, infusing greater features, stronger performance and upgraded aesthetics while keeping the wide open layout that makes these boats so popular.

With new dress trim, refined ergonomics, an integrated anchor locker in the bow and the possibility for even more power thanks to a 200-horsepower rating for the redesigned 620T, these tiller models make ideal guide boats with plenty of space for fishing and storage and a performance-proven running surface capable of taming the roughest water.

"When serious northern anglers want to backtroll, run planer boards or take a group of people out fishing, a tiller model is a great choice for the task with all of its open space and maneuverability characteristics," said Ranger Boats President, Randy Hopper. "We've updated these two tiller boats to give owners the best performing and best looking designs on the market with plenty of power and usable space on the industry's most proven running surface."

Measuring 18 feet, 4 inches with a 90-inch beam, the 618T is rated for 90 horsepower and comes complete with a 33-gallon fuel capacity. Standard features include Lowrance X-135 or Humminbird 767 electronics, on-board Dual-Pro charger and 8-foot and 9-foot rod storage in the port and starboard gunnels. An insulated cooler, retractable boarding ladder and a pair of aerated livewells/baitwells keep the 618T focused on an improved fishing experience.

The 620T measures 20 feet, 1 inch with a 90-inch beam and is rated for a maximum 200 horsepower when paired with a Mercury Verado 4 cylinder outboard. For other hydraulic steering outboard choices, the maximum rating remains at 150 horsepower. With 40 gallons of fuel capacity, aerated livewell/baitwell and 9-foot, 6-inch rod storage in both gunnels, the 620T comes equipped with the same impressive feature set as the 618T plus a 3-bank on-board battery charger and even more deck space.

The Ranger tiller models come paired with their own custom-built RangerTrail® trailers. Designed to perfectly match the boat ensuring years of smooth and easy towing, the trailers are equipped with Road Armor finish, L.E.D. lights and Ranger's COOL Hub® lubrication system as standard equipment. Designed and built in the same factory and to the same exacting specifications as all Ranger boats, RangerTrail® trailers are custom aligned with individually balanced wheels, feature swing-away tongues, swing jacks that retract flush to the frame as well as torsion axle suspension and locking.


Capacities and Specifications
618T
Overall Hull Length: 18 feet, 4 inches
Beam: 90 inches
Maximum HP: 90
Transom Height: 25 inches
Inside Depth: 23 inches
Fuel Capacity: 33 gallons
Total Persons/Motor/Gear: 1,680 lbs.
Approx. Boat Weight: 1,600 lbs.

Trailer Capacities/Specifications
Trailer GVWR: FF3725
Length on Trailer with Motor Down: 23 feet
Width on Trailer: 99 inches
Length on Trailer with Motor Down & Swing-Away Tongue Open: 21 feet

620T
Overall Hull Length: 20 feet, 1 inch
Beam: 90 inches
Maximum HP: 200 (Mercury Verado 4 cylinder only); 150 (w/hydraulic steering only)
Transom Height: 25 inches
Inside Depth: 23 ½ inches
Fuel Capacity: 40 gallons
Total Persons/Motor/Gear: 1,820 lbs.
Approx. Boat Weight: 1,725 lbs.

Trailer Capacities/Specifications
Trailer GVWR: FF5000
Length on Trailer with Motor Down: 24 feet, 2 inches
Width on Trailer: 99 inches
Length on Trailer with Motor Down & Swing-Away Tongue Open: 22 feet, 2 inches

"Maximum HP: 200 (Mercury Verado 4 cylinder only); 150 (w/hydraulic steering only)"

Can someone please explain what this means from the Ranger press release?

They probably don't want folks putting the 200HP 6 cyl. Verado on - right HP, much heavier.

"Maximum HP: 200 (Mercury Verado 4 cylinder only); 150 (w/hydraulic steering only)"

Can someone please explain what this means from the Ranger press release?
Just for kicks, I've already sent Ranger an email, asking why the 200 and under Mercury Optimax products are not available. They are available with the same powered Big Tiller steering as the 4-cyl Verado. I'll post a reply if I get one.
HRG

Just for kicks, I've already sent Ranger an email, asking why the 200 and under Mercury Optimax products are not available. They are available with the same powered Big Tiller steering as the 4-cyl Verado. I'll post a reply if I get one.
HRG

Just for kicks, I'll answer it for you!
I have the following Mercury engines for a 620T in my 2009 Ranger price book:
optimax: 90, 115, 150, 175, 175 proxs, 200
Verado: 150, 200 L4

Joe Carlson

Just for kicks, I'll answer it for you!
I have the following Mercury engines for a 620T in my 2009 Ranger price book:
optimax: 90, 115, 150, 175, 175 proxs, 200
Verado: 150, 200 L4

Joe Carlson
Leave it to those Marketing writers to mess-up a good press release!
Thanks Gramps.
HRG

Are pictures available?

Howdy,

Thanks for the intel. Did they make the same changes to the 618T that they made to the 620T (minus the length of course)? From the press release it sounded more like an external refreshing on the 618T and a more extensive redesign for the 620T.

I agree with the previous post that pics would be great! I also agree that the anchor compartment seems a bit silly but I will give Ranger the benefit of the doubt on it.

Again, thank you for the new information.

Ruddiger

You know, on the anchor thing, I like it. I'm always trying to find a place to put an anchor and it's for sure going to leave a rusty spot either on top of my deck, or in a compartment, and it's wet so everything else is wet in there. Do you know how many anchors I've bought over the years because I was at Mille Lacs and needed one??? I've already bought another one this year!
If you're set on it not working for you or you just don't ever anchor, stuff a drift sock or a couple marker buoys, or something else. It's hard to say it's not an improvement on the unused space we used to have in that part of the boat.

Joe Carlson

I apologize, but how do I view the pictures posted by Grampa Joe in this thread? Thanks.

If they did indeed re-rate the 1760 and 1750 for 150hp and the hull is the same as the last couple years will those be re-rated too or will we have to live with the 130hp rating?

You know, on the anchor thing, I like it. I'm always trying to find a place to put an anchor and it's for sure going to leave a rusty spot either on top of my deck, or in a compartment, and it's wet so everything else is wet in there. Do you know how many anchors I've bought over the years because I was at Mille Lacs and needed one??? I've already bought another one this year!
If you're set on it not working for you or you just don't ever anchor, stuff a drift sock or a couple marker buoys, or something else. It's hard to say it's not an improvement on the unused space we used to have in that part of the boat.

Joe Carlson

is thast the only style of anchor that will fit in the compartment?

If they did indeed re-rate the 1760 and 1750 for 150hp and the hull is the same as the last couple years will those be re-rated too or will we have to live with the 130hp rating?


I can tell you that I went through a similar process with my 1997 Alumacraft Magnum 165 CS. Alumacraft upgraded the hp from 75 on my model to 90 a couple years later.

I hit a submerged log, destroyed my lower unit, and my insurance company totaled my motor.

I called Alumacraft and asked if I could upgrade to a 90 on that boat seeing as 90 was the current hp max. Their answer ... "No, sorry. The hp max on your plate is the hp max for your boat. Your boat does not have the changes we put in to take the model from 75 to 90." I asked what those changes were. The customer service rep said she didn't know specifically, but typically they were changes like extra knees in the transom, etc. The length, width, transom height had not changed -- I checked my model with the then-current model.

But, her statement made sense to me. I bought another 75 hp engine to replace my totaled engine.

Based on that, I bet the 130 hp max will be what prior 1760 model owners will be limited to.

Are there still two rod lockers in the new design?If there is,were they still generous with the amount of room.
Also has any one tried handline trolling for walleye out of one of these ranger tillers.Would a kicker be helpful for handling to get the speed down slow enough.Thinking of a yamaha 150 four stroke with a t8 kicker.

Thanks Bob690

Bumping up the 1750/60 to a 150hp rating is the right move by Ranger IMO. When the 1750 Reata came out my wife and I contemplated buying one, but putting a 115hp motor on there didn't seem like it would be enough, especially since we enjoy taking other family members out. Just seemed like on a 17.5' glass boat, the 115 would dog too much.

Going to the 150 rating is a big step up for that boat. I think they could have got by with just bumping up to 135, however not all motor manufacturers make a 135. Or maybe that has nothing to do with it? I had actually sent Ranger an e-mail about this exact topic not long ago...whether or not they were considering a bump in the hp rating for the 1750. I never got a response, but now here it is. Kudos to Ranger for the improvement.

The 1750 w/150hp would be an awsome combination. I was excitied when I heard that BRP is finally building a 130hp E-Tech for this fall but now hearing about the re-rating to 150hp I'm thinking I might be better off trading my current boat in on a new 1750 rather than trading in my 115hp motor for a 130hp motor to put on my current boat.

St.Croix I could not agree more about the 618vs the tiller model is the perfect size I would like with steering.

St.Croix I could not agree more about the 618vs the tiller model is the perfect size I would like with steering.

Maybe killing the current 618vs is the first step in getting there, but given the current economy and production cuts at Ranger, I doubt it. If they are only building boats 2-3 days per week, I see less models not more models in the near future.

I started a thread a while back about production cuts at Brunswick and questioned whether the golden age of boating had ended. This is what I was getting at. We've been spoiled by having our pick of models and options over the last few years. These were all the benefits of higher volume boat sales. Until we ride out this economic storm, manufacturers will be offering up fewer choices as that's simply the economics of produciton on a reduced scale. Marginal selling and niche models will have to go by the wayside as reduced produciton capcity is allocated to the most popular and best selling models.

I think Ranger plans on using the Angler series of boats to fill this part of the line up. If you want a tournament style fisherman series boat with remote steering, you will have to step up to the 619.

I think that fewer models is really the future also. It just makes sense, epecially for the dealers! It is much easier to shop as well since you don't have too many options. The 618vs going away is a bummer - it is not a "true" VS series but was a very good boat for many. It seemed to be the everyday guys dream rig based on size etc.Most didin't know it though and bought bigger and bigger (myself included) Many bemoaned it's lack of size, but it was still an 18 foot Ranger with a good compromise hull to be used for many different species - just not a tourny boat. I wonder if we will see a return of this type of boat in the future - heck, Ranger may want to dust off the molds to the old 680/1 tillers since they would/could be a better fit if gas and the economy keep going south. Man, alot of guys loved those those little rigs!

stop by your Ranger dealer he just got back from show there is two tillers a new 618t and a 620t rate at 200hp also both have NEW floor layout pretty cool even has a anchor box built in

They probably don't want folks putting the 200HP 6 cyl. Verado on - right HP, much heavier.
Ding, ding, ding, we have us a winner. Just got a response back from Ranger, that is what they were trying to say; no 200hp 6-cylinder Verado's. As Grampa Joe pointed out, and they clarified, yes the 200 and smaller Opti's are available.
HRG

Ding, ding, ding, we have us a winner.
HRG

Even a minnow gets one every now and then.......

Do any of the dealers around the Minneapolis metro area have a new 620T on their showroom floor?

I've been told the 620T is going to be available with a 200 h.p. Mercury Verado.

I know this may seam like a real dumb question and I'm almost afraid to ask, but are tiller boats a fraction of the coast of the regular production model boat's? It just doesn't seem practical to me.

Do any of the dealers around the Minneapolis metro area have a new 620T on their showroom floor?

The 620 tiller/200 L4 verado I put pictures of in this thread is being loaded today and headed towards Frankie's, so in a couple days it'll land in Minnesota. The new 618 tiller with a 90 etec is on the same truck. Frankie is bringing these to his booth at the MN State Fair as well, so if you're people watching, come do a little boat watching!

Joe Carlson

After my experience this past weekend, running both 150 Verado and 175ProXS tillers, that 200 should re-define the phrase "grabbing a fistful of throttle" :bowdown:

HRG

Since we are talking about changes with boats, whats up with the 1850RS???
I just got my 08' 1850 Reata this year and love everything about the boat. Why would Ranger change the best selling boat they have ever had? I know you want to change things and make boats better, but after looking at the pictures and talking to my dealer, the consoles look kind of messed up. Just curious if you have any thoughts on this new boat. I have not personally seen one, but going from what the dealer thought of it at the meeting. Thanks, Bill

The 620 tiller/200 L4 verado I put pictures of in this thread is being loaded today and headed towards Frankie's, so in a couple days it'll land in Minnesota. The new 618 tiller with a 90 etec is on the same truck. Frankie is bringing these to his booth at the MN State Fair as well, so if you're people watching, come do a little boat watching!

Joe Carlson

Anyone know what a 618T w/ the 90 etec would run $. I would think the etec would run quite well on the 618T?

Anyone know what a 618T w/ the 90 etec would run $. I would think the etec would run quite well on the 618T?

My quotes have been 31K for the 09 standard 618T with the Etec. and about 27.5K for New 08 models laying around with a Yamaha. Does this sound about right to you guys or should I wait for colder weather and maybe a better deal?