: Ranger 692vs performance??


southerncomfort1
08-25-2008, 05:48 AM
Just bought this weekend my first Ranger..It's a 1998 692vs with 175 Evinrude. When doing the test drive with 3 men a almost full tank of fuel no gear except trolling motor, batteries,graphs boat ran great with awsome hole shot handled very well on boat control but was only at 45 mph on gps with a 4 blade 17 pitch Mercury marine Revolution 4 prop at 5400 rpms with a spray line within the last couple of feet of boat.Seller said we can over rev when just out with 2 people, don't believe he carried much gear ever though.IS this the right prop for this rig or should I change to a higher pitch.Would like to see into the low 50 mph range with 2 people and gear if possible but will still be happy if this is the best it's gonna get on this rig.What are others getting performance wise with comparable set ups?By the way no jack plate,motor appears mounted all the way up.Thanks for the help...

Lovgren69
08-25-2008, 08:47 AM
I have a 1995 Ranger 690VS w/ a 2003 Mercury XR-6 (150HP-Carbed 2 stroke). I also have a Mercury 9.9 pro kicker on the transom. I've been running a 19 pitch Enertia (3-blade) prop from Mercury.
With a light load (1/2 tank of fuel, 2 persons, two batteries, trolling motor, and misc. gear) I am able to run 51-52 mph gps speed)
I had four adults in the boat the other week and was able to run 48-49 mph @ 5500 rpm. I do believe the max rpm for my motor is 5600.
I would guess with a 175 hp you should be able to run closer to the mid fifties. I would also imagine that the 692 weighs in close to the 690.
Four blade props are usually a tad slower than 3 blade props, but do provide slightly better holeshot. If you go up in pitch you should gain some top speed at the expense of holeshot. I see no reason why your 175 hp motor couldn't turn a 19 or 21 pitch prop.

JimRK
08-25-2008, 12:43 PM
I own a 1999 692 with a Mercury 175EFI on the back.
Has a 9.9 kicker, 3 batteries, trolling motor and lots of walleye rods and tackle.
Run a High Five in 21 pitch and can top out on the GPS with 53MPH. Also have a 3 blade Tempest that will hit 58MPH.
With the High Five the 175 is turning 56 - 5700RPM. With the Tempest 21 it is turning 57 - 5800RPM.
Can only do this in ideal conditions, and no fat boys in the boat!!! :-)
Hope that helps you with a little more information.

southerncomfort1
08-26-2008, 05:01 AM
Looks like I have the wrong prop for sure.Called Ranger yesterday and they pulled the archives and said when they tested the 692vs with a 175 Evinrude a 22 pitch Raker 3 blade was best and to expect low mid 50's which is right in line with what you guys are getting with a 21 pitch.He did say the Raker prop changed about 3 years ago to a Raker 2 with some modifications so he would recommend that but was not sure if it would change the performance in comparison to the original Raker prop.Said my current prop was a good one for rough water running.Here's a question will Mercury and Evinrude motors of same hp and prop have the same rpms or is the gearing different so one gets more or less rpms then the other??Just trying to see how your guys props on the Merc.'s would compare rpm wise on my Evinrude because I was told 5400-5500 rpm is max wot. for my Evinrude and looks like your Mercury motors have a slightly higher rpm range.Thanks

JimRK
08-27-2008, 07:33 AM
My Mercury 175 is a 2000 year model. I believe the suggested max RPM is 5600 or 5700.
The motor mechanic told me I could run as high as 5800 and not harm the motor. I have never hit the rev limiter and do not run that high, but for a short time. Again, I can only get to the top RPMs in ideal conditions, which is not that common.
I would have to look at the motor manual to see what the lower end gears are. Maybe someone else has that information handy.
I prefer the 21 pitch 5 blade with the gas tank in the nose. The 5 blade allows me to keep the nose up when traveling in the slop.
Most of my fishing is Bago, Green Bay and northern Musky lakes. The 692 is a great multi species boat and you will really like it's versatility.

Jim

southerncomfort1
08-28-2008, 04:28 AM
Thanks for the info. The 4 blade I have now would be great for the big water slop to keep the bow up.Was given a 24 Raker to test but think it's going to be to much pitch but we will see.Found a 22 Raker for sale but want to test this 24 first. Was told the raker would give me good bow control and a higher top end so we will see.Thanks

waterdog 46
08-29-2008, 07:24 AM
I have Javelin 320A, similiar to 690 i think, with 175 Johnson. I love the boat/ride but turning a 25p renegade I'm only able to turn 4800rpms @ 56 mph. I've been told a 19/21 Vengeance 3 blade would get me good hole shot[sucks now] and get my rpms up to 5600/5700 where I should be. Anybody care to offer any advice?

southerncomfort1
08-29-2008, 03:12 PM
Well I ran the 24 raker today hole shot ok but could only get the rpms up to 4400 and 4600 when really trimming it up and getting the boat out of water except last foot or 6 inches.Spray line ALL the way back!!! I think they say 200-300 per pitch size so to get to 5500 rpms does that put me at a 20-21 pitch prop??

johnny lightning
09-02-2008, 01:03 AM
You should go with a 21 or a 23 renagade small tube.Much better handling in rough water on a 692.Ihave a 1995 692vs with a 95 150 faststrike running a 23 renagade and by myself 215 give or take a pizza,can hit 58 and once hit 60 at 5400 rpms with a quarter tank 3 batteries trolling motor and my gear moved to the back,3 tackle bags(55degrees that day).95's were a little lighter according to Ranger mine should weigh in at 1465#.Plus I've got the walk through tempo glass wind shield.I wonder if your motor is set to low.When I bring my buds 400 more pounds I can still get over 50.Yes that's gps.

johnny lightning
09-02-2008, 01:23 AM
I have Javelin 320A, similiar to 690 i think, with 175 Johnson. I love the boat/ride but turning a 25p renegade I'm only able to turn 4800rpms @ 56 mph. I've been told a 19/21 Vengeance 3 blade would get me good hole shot[sucks now] and get my rpms up to 5600/5700 where I should be. Anybody care to offer any advice?

The renegades your best bet on a 150 or 175 faststrike/Intruder on a glass walleye boat.Try a 23.You and Southern comfort gotta get your rpms up over 5000 or you will start the carbon build up process and blow your engines cause your LUGGING them.You may need to decarb your OMC's.Hows your compression. Iam kinda suprised your javelin isn't going over 60. Ive seen more than a few stratos 219's(same hull as javelin 320a) with 175 truders or strikes hit 60+. those 320's and stratos 219's were a faster hull than rangers 690 or 692.

southerncomfort1
09-02-2008, 11:08 AM
You should go with a 21 or a 23 renagade small tube.Much better handling in rough water on a 692.Ihave a 1995 692vs with a 95 150 faststrike running a 23 renagade and by myself 215 give or take a pizza,can hit 58 and once hit 60 at 5400 rpms with a quarter tank 3 batteries trolling motor and my gear moved to the back,3 tackle bags(55degrees that day).95's were a little lighter according to Ranger mine should weigh in at 1465#.Plus I've got the walk through tempo glass wind shield.I wonder if your motor is set to low.When I bring my buds 400 more pounds I can still get over 50.Yes that's gps.

Dropped off boat today at marina to have a few gauges fixed and a good look over.Asked about the motor height and he said it was mounted all the way down.I thought from looking at the outside mounting bolts it was all the way up, guess I was wrong.He said they would check mounting height with a straight edge and ruler and adjust it if necessary.Hopefully they get it right.Probably have to much motor in water causing drag.He said wait on a prop till they get done in case they move the motor to make sure we get the right pitch because if they move the motor it's going to change how my prop reacts(rpms,speed,bite) then when motor is mounted correctly we can get accurate info from this prop to help with new prop decision.I think I saw 3.5"-4.5" center of prop shaft to center line of boat bottom is about right.Is that correct for this boat??

johnny lightning
09-02-2008, 09:19 PM
Dropped off boat today at marina to have a few gauges fixed and a good look over.Asked about the motor height and he said it was mounted all the way down.I thought from looking at the outside mounting bolts it was all the way up, guess I was wrong.He said they would check mounting height with a straight edge and ruler and adjust it if necessary.Hopefully they get it right.Probably have to much motor in water causing drag.He said wait on a prop till they get done in case they move the motor to make sure we get the right pitch because if they move the motor it's going to change how my prop reacts(rpms,speed,bite) then when motor is mounted correctly we can get accurate info from this prop to help with new prop decision.I think I saw 3.5"-4.5" center of prop shaft to center line of boat bottom is about right.Is that correct for this boat??
I checked mine and its right about at 4 inches below the pad. now I looked at my 95,96 and 99 sales brochures cause I knew when they changed the transoms that the transom heights changed too.95+96 models height was 21 1/2 inches 99s were 22 1/2 inches.The weight did jump from 1465 to 1665 pounds on the 692vs.Sorry but don't have a 98 manual but ranger would know.Also don't get talked into a 3 blade prop, they blowout in rough water.(safety issue) Ask or look at what the pros use (example eric olson or keith kavajecz)They will use 4 or 5 blades in the swells 100 percent of the time and will only run 3 blades when weather permits. Still the best all around prop for a faststrike or intruder on a 692 would definately be a 23 renegade. Rakers are known for great bow lift but they also blowout in rough water.Renegades are also smaller diameter 13 1/2 vs 14 1/4 on rakers You have to get your motor alittle higher on the transom to run the raker.If ERIC OLSON is out there he would be a great consultant for you on this.

johnny lightning
09-02-2008, 09:52 PM
In some tests the renegade actually ran faster than the raker cause the small tube on it has less drag than a full size tubed raker.Also you will have better bow control at speed and less steering torque.Question, Is your 175 an Intruder or a standard 175? Is it a ficht intruder? The carbed intruders (non ficht) were faster than standard 175's.They came with harder motor mounts bigger carbs different heads and enhanced port timing for better high rpm performance. If it's one of these it should go 60+ if you drive alone with a light load.

southerncomfort1
09-03-2008, 06:02 AM
Thanks for all the info Johnny.Appreciate it. My motor is a 1995 175 intruder carbed motor not a ficht motor on a 1998 692vs full windshield.I have a man shipping me a 22 raker already to try.Said if I don't like it just return it in same condition so I took him up on the nice offer.(finding props to test in my pitch range very difficult)Seemed like a He@@ of a nice guy.I am sure you are right about 3 vs 4 blade in the slop.Most of my running is calm water.If it does have issues with blow out in the waves may have to get a 4 blade in the right pitch or run my current 4 blade prop just being careful to watch the rmps if my motor does indeed get lifted and rpms become issue..Will post what marina does regarding motor height and also test results with the raker.

waterdog 46
09-09-2008, 07:43 AM
Tried a 21p Vengeance,gained 500rpm to 5400,lost a couple mph to 55 ,40gal fuel, my big 300# butt, 3 batt, etc. 19p would probably be best but this not bad!

southerncomfort1
09-09-2008, 11:25 AM
Still waiting to get boat back.Have a 22 raker I am dieing to test out.Glad your change of props helped out.Told marina yesterday I NEED the boat back by Friday morning before I go into work.Found out they were just starting on it after it sat there for most of last week.EERRR

southerncomfort1
09-12-2008, 04:57 AM
Picking boat up today before work. Marina said center of prop shaft to bottom of boat is 4.75" and that is good and does(did) not want to move it.Johnny lightning said earlier his is at 4".I will test the 22 Raker(in the rain)this weekend and if necessary move the motor height myself to see if it helps with rpms if they are low.I think I read each hole moved equals about 3/4 of an inch and 200 rpms. Does that sound right????? Also when testing prop ,should max RPM's only be achieved when trim gauge is at or near full trim with 1 person(driver) and loaded with gear or sooner on the gauge??

unlogged Eric Olson
09-12-2008, 07:22 AM
Sorry for the delay in response!

Height sounds good, key things to remember on multispecies hulls
- Lower engine heights are normal. THis is due to the need for the prop to create bow lift, whereas bass boats hulls create bow lift and require less leverage.
- Higher settings will create issues in rough water
- Bow lift props are better all-around performers. The misconception (sorry guys) that we need 4 blade props for rough water isn't necessarily true. The latest design props (3 blade) have provided all of us with little changes that create big advantages.
- Venting- various hole sizes create better hole shot and don't affect higher speed performance
- High Rake props. Better bow lift from installation of the blade at a higher angle
- bigger surface area blades. Create better fuel economy thru more blade efficiency and grip.

The 692 needs some bow lift but definetly needs prop venting as weight distribution was a little further aft showing good results from vented props.

Find a dealer willing to demo a Raker II. Good prop venting, full diameter hub (no need for "weed ring") to give better efficiency at mid range. Otherwise use the Raker you have and vent the blade if hole shot seems lacking.
Testing should be done with the load you'll be having most of the time. 2 guys full tank fuel, tackle etc.

Let us know how things test out!

Eric
NPAA # 165

Manny Sparks
09-12-2008, 07:36 AM
Hey Eric,
Jake stopped in the store this week and informed me that you were premoted at BRP. Congrats!!!!!!
He also told me about some of the things that you are headed up and it sounded very exciting, ecspecially the kicker project. Lets get out on the Bay again before your able to skate on it. Is your satelite radio still tuned into the hair metal station? Nothing like reeling in some eye's on the bay with a little "Uncle Tom's Cabin" cranking in the background. Buzz me and Congrats again!!!!!!!!!! Manny

southerncomfort1
09-12-2008, 06:13 PM
Hey Eric thanks for the advise!!Ran the prop a little tonight and this is where I am at= 1 person (driver)just under 1/2 tank fuel,boat loaded with all gear and batteries, trimmed all the way up to point of speed loss= 5200-5250 on the RPM's and 51.5 on the gps. Then filled both live wells full and ran it again and got 5200 RPM's and 50.3 mph on gps trimmed all the way out to the point of speed loss. Motor WOT is rated at 5500 RPM's .Handling was good so here is the question- If performance is acceptable to me is it OK to run this prop (Raker 22 with vent plugs) OR are the RPM's to low and harming the motor?Can I keep it or do I really need to go find a lower pitch Raker?

southerncomfort1
09-15-2008, 05:51 AM
Hey Eric thanks for the advise!!Ran the prop a little tonight and this is where I am at= 1 person (driver)just under 1/2 tank fuel,boat loaded with all gear and batteries, trimmed all the way up to point of speed loss= 5200-5250 on the RPM's and 51.5 on the gps. Then filled both live wells full and ran it again and got 5200 RPM's and 50.3 mph on gps trimmed all the way out to the point of speed loss. Motor WOT is rated at 5500 RPM's .Handling was good so here is the question- If performance is acceptable to me is it OK to run this prop (Raker 22 with vent plugs) OR are the RPM's to low and harming the motor?Can I keep it or do I really need to go find a lower pitch Raker?

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