New Prop...What to expect

[eyeboom]

I have a Champion Fishunter 190 with a 225 EFI/4 blade Trophy 24P prop. I'm only running 4800 rpm at WOT. When I get this re-propped to get my rpm's up, what improvements can I expect?

Thanks,
Boomer

[SLE]

A much improved hole shot, better acceleration throughout the entire rpm band, top speed probably wont change much, but you may pickup a mph or two, and your mileage should be better but that depends on how you run it.

[Triton HWA]

I would put a 23 or a 21 pitch High Five on. Get those R's up and get some traction witht the 5 blade. I put one on my 225 Opti and love it. Like putting monster mudders on your 4wd

[SLE]

Triton HWA, do you realize your giving up 3-6mph by running the high five?? I would personally reccomend a 21P Tempest Plus, this should give you the best speed, best mileage, decent bow lift and a decent hole shot. If your after handleing and hole shot and not so concerned with mpg's or speed then a high five is what you'll want.

You'll need to choose what you want out of a prop and then you can narrow down your selection.

[Triton HWA]

I certainly do, I also one a Trophy 23. I did not buy this big tub to be fast, I am not into the speed game, The 5 blade is all about slow and midrange performance, I doubt you will get any prop to hold a bout out of the water and allow such low plane speeds as a High 5. When the wells are full it takes all 225 and the 5 blade to get her out of the water:grin:. If you are running a light rig i would not worry about the 5 blade, but I love it on my Triton 205. I am rigged to the hilt with equipment and always very heavy. Empty I was able to get 68 with the Trophy after loading it the way I run it year around it dropped to 51 and took forever to come out of the water. It still runs 5o with the 5 blade but pops out almost as good as my old bass boat.:grin: but I can get down to 20 and keep it on plane, makes it nice to cruise easy to the next spot. Just my 2 cents



Triton HWA, do you realize your giving up 3-6mph by running the high five?? I would personally reccomend a 21P Tempest Plus, this should give you the best speed, best mileage, decent bow lift and a decent hole shot. If your after handleing and hole shot and not so concerned with mpg's or speed then a high five is what you'll want.

You'll need to choose what you want out of a prop and then you can narrow down your selection.

[jasonk]

The fishhunter hull does not need a high 5, if I remember correctly I ran a 24P on my 194 and it would do 58mph. The 190 with a 225 should flat out fly. The only time mine ran 4800rpms is when a coil wasn't firing once. Something doesn't sound right to me, but another prop that I've seen run on the 194's is the 21P Tempest

[SLE]

Triton, I was just making sure everyone was aware of the attributes of the different props, although a 17mph decrease seems a little excessive, unless you meant 58mph to 51mph????? My plane speed on my 1895 yarcraft W/225 opti and a 21P tempest is right at 19mph, I'll run 21-22mph normally to make sure I don't fall off of plane though, 19mph is actually the threshold.

Eyeboom, what speed are you getting now??? I would expect that rig to be a 60mph boat, give or take a couple!

[Triton HWA]

Im with you on the decrease. Day one on the GPS was 68 tops almost zero fuel and perfect water, Then add 9.9, elect. downriggers, Rigger weights 2-35lbs anchors. tools, added extra battery on main. Filled up with fuel almost 60 gallons if I remember right, too much tackle to declare, Fill the 2 live wells and it is a pig. I thought it was excessive too, think only excessive is too much stuff, LOL

But is performs great on the water cant complain with low speed plane.

I think the coil miss fire could be on target, Mine played a low power game once and it was a faulty regulator in the fuel rail. Not sure which it was, I had another set of rails from a blown motor and swapped to test and left them on.

[eyeboom]

Thanks for all of the replies. I have to claim ignorance regarding the low rpms. I swore that I previously had confirmed that the 225 EFI was only supposed to run 4900. I've been happy with the overall performance with exception of occassionally blowing out while making a tight turn. My previous boat was a Ranger Commanche bass boat with a 175. I really like the handling, speed and sportiness of the Fishunter and that was the reason for my purchase. I certainly don't want to give up any top end speed!
In talking to the guys at Ozawkie Marine in KS, they new tthe shop that set up my boat, and told me that they have seen this problem with them before (way too much pitch). My 225 is a GAS HOG and they stated that a better match of a prop would help that situation to a degree. I'm planning on a trip down to them in earlier spring for a new prop set up. The boat is fully loaded: Networked HD graphs, 9.9 kicker, 4 Trojan batteries, 101 Terova, and more so I've added some considerable weight. Additionally, I moved the 3 trolling motor batteries up front and center for a more even platform. Some additional bow lift while running would be nice.

Thanks again!

Boomer

[darin]

Eyeboom, I would suggest visiting bassboatcentral.com. There are a few people there who run fishunters (not many) but if you goto the Champion Boats thread under forums, you can get some advice. I run a '98 Fishunter 190 with a 200 efi. Everyone I spoke with said both the 200 and 225 perform best with a 24P Trophy. I believe you have the correct prop. If your rpm numbers are correct (4800) something is definitely wrong. Something aint right with your engine, or you could need a TPS adjustment. Your rpm's should be around 56-5800 I believe. I run a 23P high five (because that is what came on the boat). I run light most of the time and can go 54.1 mph with the rear casting deck out. Othewise I'm 53 mph all day. I'm sure I could get upper 50's with a different prop and perhaps some other mods, the speed limit on my lake is 45mph anyway. Holeshot is great, and I can stay on plane at 18 mph. A fella from Mich. runs one (from that site) and he says light load in early spring he can touch 62-63 mph with his kicker removed- 24P Trophy). I would not be moving batteries around. Make sure your engine is running properly first. Then make sure your engine height (Champs usually run best at about 3.5" below pad) and prop pitch are correct. Those boats are designed pretty good. Shouldn't need to move your batteries...not with that engine. That engine is a gas hog if you put the hammer down a lot, but keep her between 3000-4500 and she's not so bad. Most are hogs wide open. Also, your 190 is basically the same boat as the 194 Jason speaks of (both are 19'4" with a 97" beam)... but should be a little faster as the only real difference between the two is that the top cap is about 2" higher on the 194 (the consoles are a bit different too to accomodate the 2" difference and a full windshield option). Wish they still made them. The new Fishunters are much different now.

PS - great boat by the way. What year is yours? Color? Got any pix? I've had mine for a couple of years and have been in some good waves with it. She's awesome in rough water, just awesome! IM me if if you have any questions:

[staylor]

...and with the loss of bowlift from the weight shift the Trophy may not be the best choice- and the 225 EFI motor has to run 5500 or better. I agree with the previous post that you should strongly consider trying a 21 Tempest Plus. The large diameter blades give more bowlift than the Trophy on heavy rigs.
Doug

[Derwood]

That boat, if it's just like mine, is heavy in the back... which I'm sure is why you moved your batteries. I thought about putting them in the center storage area, but was strongly advised not to. With that engine running properly, I suspect you can get it doing what you want by adjusting your prop and motor height. I would worry about that shift in weight compromising the performance of that hull. You have an awfully nice boat, designed with the tournament fisherman in mind. If you decide to keep your batteries moved, please keep us posted on how the tempest works out if you indeed try it.

[eyeboom]

This boat is heavy in back. When I first bought it, rigged with no kicker, no jack plate and a 24 volt/54" shaft trolling motor (total of 3 batts.), I could barely keep the tm prop in the water with 1 footers. With the additional weight of the kicker, the weight and leverage of the plate and adding another batt. for 36 volts, it was simply not fishable without moving some weight forward. I have considered moving one of the SCS225 Trojans to the back (66 lbs) from the center storage to help with the bow lift, but the fishability of rig now is great. The boat sits slightly higher now at rest. I can certainly live with it as is, but I want to maximize what I have. It's about compromises also. I also play with the fuel level in the tanks. It has a rather large aux tank upfront that I generally burn off before the main.

[darin]

Eyeboom, I sent you a PM... Also, when I got my rig, the previous owner had four batteries in the boat and the kicker on the back. He had a 60" 82lb Tour Series on the bow which I removed and now I have a 24v EM80, but only one battery for starting and electronics, now (where he had two). Sounds to me like you really just need a longer trolling motor... hahahaha. Like you said, it's all about compromises and if you've found something that works for your application, more power to you. Get in some rough water with the Fishunter if you haven't already... what a blast!!

PS - if you want my Tour Series I'll sell it to you... it's just on the shelf in my basement.

[mdoehling]

SLE.

I have a 2008 Lund 1750 Fisherman with a 115 EFI Merc. I am looking for the same type of performace as Triton has. Low speed plane and improved hole shot. I'm sure I want a SS prop, and have been told that a 4 blade is the way to go for this combo, What pitch should I be looking at. Thanks for your help.

[propmann]

Powertech makes the best 4 blade ss in the market today for your motor. We have prop lots of mercury and yamaha 4 strokes with those. They need the mercury flo torq 3 hub kit to reduce prop rattle.

[SLE]

mdoehling, PM sent. I didn't want to hijack this thread!

[Chopper Pilot]

I have a Champion Fishunter 190 with a 225 EFI/4 blade Trophy 24P prop. I'm only running 4800 rpm at WOT. When I get this re-propped to get my rpm's up, what improvements can I expect?

Thanks,
Boomer

Eyeboom, its an expensive solution but I went with a lazor cut 4 blade Merc prop on my 08 620 with a 250 E-Tec. The intial cost is a kick in the groin but if you look at it over a period of time it dosen't hurt as much. Most others " in my area" run 20 to 22 pitch props on this application however I run a 25. My holeshots are nothing to write home about but either is anyone else's with this motor.What it does for me is it sure does a great job holding the boat steady in rough water and gives me an honest 65 mph on the GPS