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Does anyone know what difference there is in the action of these two, what has worked best for you.
Does anyone know what difference there is in the action of these two, what has worked best for you.
stevefellegy
03-16-2002, 09:08 PM
Maaaaan, guys' gotta have white hair, not grey hair to talk flatfish and lazy ikes. lol
Just like there body shape, the thinner "ike" has a tighter, faster, wobble. The flatfish, my favorite of the two, has "wider", more "slashing" movement. Both lures need slow speed. Same identical speed as spinners....1.0 per hour
I take the middle set of trebles off and just leave the end treble.
Gob a crawler on the treble, a little tail a waggin', and you got'er. Maaaan....I wish I had a buck for every walleye I caught on a flatfish behind my three-way rig. WOW!
stevefellegy
03-16-2002, 09:08 PM
Maaaaan, guys' gotta have white hair, not grey hair to talk flatfish and lazy ikes. lol
Just like there body shape, the thinner "ike" has a tighter, faster, wobble. The flatfish, my favorite of the two, has "wider", more "slashing" movement. Both lures need slow speed. Same identical speed as spinners....1.0 per hour
I take the middle set of trebles off and just leave the end treble.
Gob a crawler on the treble, a little tail a waggin', and you got'er. Maaaan....I wish I had a buck for every walleye I caught on a flatfish behind my three-way rig. WOW!
Johnnie Candle
03-16-2002, 10:46 PM
Don't forget the quick fish. This is a favorite of the Niagara River steelhead guys. Works great for eyes too.
Johnnie Candle
03-16-2002, 10:46 PM
Don't forget the quick fish. This is a favorite of the Niagara River steelhead guys. Works great for eyes too.
EYESCHOOL
03-16-2002, 11:39 PM
Johnnie, What on earth is a quick fish? (Other than one that swims fast)! ;-)
EYESCHOOL
03-16-2002, 11:39 PM
Johnnie, What on earth is a quick fish? (Other than one that swims fast)! ;-)
jw, dont forget the Shakesphere Flap Jack!:-) Ahhh, takes me back to my childhood when me and my buddy raided his dads tackle box weekly(he didnt use that stuff anyway:-))and grabbed all the Ikes and Flatfish we could get our hands on. Headed to Knepps Pond, and tore up his "Big" green fish.LOL Then running down the tracks and through the woods, with ole Knepp close on tails cussin!:-)His fish always tasted better!:-) Ahhh, those were the days!:7
jw, dont forget the Shakesphere Flap Jack!:-) Ahhh, takes me back to my childhood when me and my buddy raided his dads tackle box weekly(he didnt use that stuff anyway:-))and grabbed all the Ikes and Flatfish we could get our hands on. Headed to Knepps Pond, and tore up his "Big" green fish.LOL Then running down the tracks and through the woods, with ole Knepp close on tails cussin!:-)His fish always tasted better!:-) Ahhh, those were the days!:7
Backwater Eddy
03-17-2002, 06:00 AM
How about the Brooks Reefer?
The Reefer is a true classic walleye wobbler lure in my book.
I did hear that a Iowa Co. had started to make them again? If so I would sure like the info to get in touch with them. If anyone has info on this please let me know.
The Cotton Cordel Heddon Tadpoly is a close cousin to the Brooks Reefer, about as close as I have found to the Reefer on todays market.
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Backwater Eddy
03-17-2002, 06:00 AM
How about the Brooks Reefer?
The Reefer is a true classic walleye wobbler lure in my book.
I did hear that a Iowa Co. had started to make them again? If so I would sure like the info to get in touch with them. If anyone has info on this please let me know.
The Cotton Cordel Heddon Tadpoly is a close cousin to the Brooks Reefer, about as close as I have found to the Reefer on todays market.
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Hey Eddy, you sound like you past the half century mark a while back.lol:-) Yeah, I remember the brooks reefer. Use to buy my fishin stuff at Arlington Shopping Center. Kressgees(spelling?)I bought my first Daiwa reel. Think it was 2 or 3 bucks for a spincast. 202's and Johnson Century were very popular, and outlasted the Daiwa's 2-1.:-) Remarkable the change the Japanese have made through the years. Ever tear apart your Dads Pfleuger Supreme and couldnt put it back together. Plum sprout time.:-) Take care of that Top Knot!:7
Hey Eddy, you sound like you past the half century mark a while back.lol:-) Yeah, I remember the brooks reefer. Use to buy my fishin stuff at Arlington Shopping Center. Kressgees(spelling?)I bought my first Daiwa reel. Think it was 2 or 3 bucks for a spincast. 202's and Johnson Century were very popular, and outlasted the Daiwa's 2-1.:-) Remarkable the change the Japanese have made through the years. Ever tear apart your Dads Pfleuger Supreme and couldnt put it back together. Plum sprout time.:-) Take care of that Top Knot!:7
electriceye
03-17-2002, 07:40 AM
Make mine the old Lurh Jensen Fireplug just wish someone didn't break that ##### mold over there!
electriceye
03-17-2002, 07:40 AM
Make mine the old Lurh Jensen Fireplug just wish someone didn't break that ##### mold over there!
Backwater Eddy
03-17-2002, 07:54 AM
I just turned da big 40. I learned what the Brooks was about from some hard core walleye types long ago.
Whenever I spot a box of lures at a rummage sale I quickly search them over for Brooks Reefers. Found a few over time and still use them too, that is what they are for I think, to use. If I hang one up, I will get wet if need be.
One of my favorites that is hanging on my wall is the big frog pattern broke back Reefer, a very hard one to find. I was lucky to find 2 in very good condition.
Yup, I took apart my Grandfathers Plueger (to be nice), and didn't have a clue how to get it back, it was a learning experence. ;)
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Backwater Eddy
03-17-2002, 07:54 AM
I just turned da big 40. I learned what the Brooks was about from some hard core walleye types long ago.
Whenever I spot a box of lures at a rummage sale I quickly search them over for Brooks Reefers. Found a few over time and still use them too, that is what they are for I think, to use. If I hang one up, I will get wet if need be.
One of my favorites that is hanging on my wall is the big frog pattern broke back Reefer, a very hard one to find. I was lucky to find 2 in very good condition.
Yup, I took apart my Grandfathers Plueger (to be nice), and didn't have a clue how to get it back, it was a learning experence. ;)
Backwater Eddy ~ ~><sUMo> ~ ><>
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bountyhunter
03-17-2002, 08:08 AM
STRANGE thing russell I did that same thing in my area in my younger yrs boy now that was FUN ! jim
bountyhunter
03-17-2002, 08:08 AM
STRANGE thing russell I did that same thing in my area in my younger yrs boy now that was FUN ! jim
eye lund
03-17-2002, 08:08 AM
steve you brought back some memories i yoused to fly into walker
on long weekend back in the 60's youse lazy ikes with night crawler
on hooks and sinker to put it down and slow troll Leach Lake worked good for walleyes then. have a few ikes hanging on my shelves yet.
Virgil Burris Born in 1931 love to fish
eye lund
03-17-2002, 08:08 AM
steve you brought back some memories i yoused to fly into walker
on long weekend back in the 60's youse lazy ikes with night crawler
on hooks and sinker to put it down and slow troll Leach Lake worked good for walleyes then. have a few ikes hanging on my shelves yet.
Virgil Burris Born in 1931 love to fish
Steve CO
03-17-2002, 10:54 AM
Hey, you don't need to go back that far for flatfish and lazy ikes - they are still available. I think back to the late 40's - early 50's when I would write away for every fishing tackle catalog known, save up my money, and order one of just about everything. The old Helin catalogs were incredible. According the Charlie Helin, the flatfish were more effective than dynamite! I still have original flatfish, lazy ikes, jitterbugs, crazy crawlers, hula poppers, pikie minnows, Hawaiian wigglers plus a bunch more that go back to that time. I still use them! It's fun to catch fish on the "classics." By the way, the old shallow-running Hawaiian wiggler (flat, V-shaped head) is still as good as any modern spinnerbait for pike in the cabbage. I noted a few of them on E-bay this week.
Steve CO
03-17-2002, 10:54 AM
Hey, you don't need to go back that far for flatfish and lazy ikes - they are still available. I think back to the late 40's - early 50's when I would write away for every fishing tackle catalog known, save up my money, and order one of just about everything. The old Helin catalogs were incredible. According the Charlie Helin, the flatfish were more effective than dynamite! I still have original flatfish, lazy ikes, jitterbugs, crazy crawlers, hula poppers, pikie minnows, Hawaiian wigglers plus a bunch more that go back to that time. I still use them! It's fun to catch fish on the "classics." By the way, the old shallow-running Hawaiian wiggler (flat, V-shaped head) is still as good as any modern spinnerbait for pike in the cabbage. I noted a few of them on E-bay this week.
Hats off to ya Virgil sincerely for still fishing. Geeze though, thought all they had back then was hooks, bobbers and cane-poles.lol:7
Hats off to ya Virgil sincerely for still fishing. Geeze though, thought all they had back then was hooks, bobbers and cane-poles.lol:7
If you take the center hooks off the Flatfish don't swim as well or as fast as they could. If you do decide to take the center hooks off put a small weight on the eye and you can increase the speed at which you troll / retrieve the lure. The same is true for the Ike but the effect isn't as great as with the Flatfish. The Flatfish will float when at rest and most models of the Ike will sink slowly. A better bait, INHO, than the Flatfish or Ikes was the OK-Doke. It looked like an Ike with a rudder / ridge on its forward part. They float at rest, can "walk the dog" at a slow retrieve, and can be retrieved faster than either. The Brooks Reefers that BE mentions in another post is also a "banana" type bait that works well. I don't use them anymore 'cause they are a collector item. A different bait that I love to use, and look for at rummage sales etc, are the Floating River Runts. They are fantastic over shallow structure and weeds. I have trolled them along side my buddy's Rapalas etc. in Ontario and they out-did the Raps etc. 4 to 1on eyes and smallies. Twice in eight years as part of a group of twenty plus on LOTW, I caught the big eye of the week on a River Runt.
"If all fishermen were true sportsmen, we would have no need for game laws and game wardens, and we would have better fishing." --- O. Warren Smith
If you take the center hooks off the Flatfish don't swim as well or as fast as they could. If you do decide to take the center hooks off put a small weight on the eye and you can increase the speed at which you troll / retrieve the lure. The same is true for the Ike but the effect isn't as great as with the Flatfish. The Flatfish will float when at rest and most models of the Ike will sink slowly. A better bait, INHO, than the Flatfish or Ikes was the OK-Doke. It looked like an Ike with a rudder / ridge on its forward part. They float at rest, can "walk the dog" at a slow retrieve, and can be retrieved faster than either. The Brooks Reefers that BE mentions in another post is also a "banana" type bait that works well. I don't use them anymore 'cause they are a collector item. A different bait that I love to use, and look for at rummage sales etc, are the Floating River Runts. They are fantastic over shallow structure and weeds. I have trolled them along side my buddy's Rapalas etc. in Ontario and they out-did the Raps etc. 4 to 1on eyes and smallies. Twice in eight years as part of a group of twenty plus on LOTW, I caught the big eye of the week on a River Runt.
"If all fishermen were true sportsmen, we would have no need for game laws and game wardens, and we would have better fishing." --- O. Warren Smith
gpbrown
03-17-2002, 03:21 PM
Kwickies, as they are called. Kwickfish is similar to the lazy-ike and still in production I believe. Used them in the Niagra afew years ago and caught steelies and lake trout. Used them in Canada several years ago on walleye and did well. They have been on the back shelf for years but I can't tell you why. Maybe I'll bring them out of hibernation this year.
gpbrown
03-17-2002, 03:21 PM
Kwickies, as they are called. Kwickfish is similar to the lazy-ike and still in production I believe. Used them in the Niagra afew years ago and caught steelies and lake trout. Used them in Canada several years ago on walleye and did well. They have been on the back shelf for years but I can't tell you why. Maybe I'll bring them out of hibernation this year.
Larry L
03-17-2002, 05:14 PM
I catch fish with both of them I like the Lazy Ike best myself. I do have a problem with them though. If I dont replace the back hook eye on them the northerns rip them out sooner or later.
Larry L
03-17-2002, 05:14 PM
I catch fish with both of them I like the Lazy Ike best myself. I do have a problem with them though. If I dont replace the back hook eye on them the northerns rip them out sooner or later.
Because of their different actions I have always (and 40 years is just about always) found Lazy Ikes to work fine in the daytime, but Flatfish work better at night. The slower wobble must send out a diffent vibration pattern. Both still outstanding walleye lures today.
Because of their different actions I have always (and 40 years is just about always) found Lazy Ikes to work fine in the daytime, but Flatfish work better at night. The slower wobble must send out a diffent vibration pattern. Both still outstanding walleye lures today.