I want a lund with a Yamaha or Evinrude or Suzuki

[hooknup]

Are there any dealers near upper michigan that will put something other than Mercury or Honda on the back of a lund Baron? I know I will pay more but I have tried Mercury in the past and had to come in on the kicker too many times. Or I just keep fishing out of a boat that is 32 years old,I should have repowered my lund fisherman instead of selling it.

[Hot Runr Guy]

That's quite the "first post" you've created there. Nonetheless, I pride myself on helping others spend thier money. So, if you're serious, and not just stirring the pot :stirthepot: tell us exactly what you'd like to get. There's no doubt in my mind, in these economic times, that a dealer (especially in Michigan) will jump through hoops to put a rig together for you. Like you suspect, it may cost extra, and it may not be the dealer 5 miles away from you, but your boat is out there, somewhere.
So, what's your dream rig???
HRG

[hooknup]

I am looking to get a 2150 or 1950 baron mag not th grand ,sport I sold my 18 foot fisherman like an idiot, and now Im fishing out of a late 70's glass
boat, well it's great for lake superior it is a little tough to trailer to other places with gas prices going up. Iwas looking at Alumacraft but my local dealer wants to put a Tohatsu on it, I told him this isnt my first rodeo and walked out.

[teamlund]

HRG is right, it willmost likely cost you since ALOT of the Lunds that lund dealers carry will have mercs bolted on them from the Lund factory. So the dealer will either have to unbolt them which they dont like to do. Or order a hull without an engine than order your engine of choice and mate them at their dealership. Personally, it wouldnt want anything other than a merc

[FinsNFeet]

What about buying a used boat in the model you like and repowering it with the motor you like then sell the old motor to recoop some of your expense. Worked out nicely for me. :exactly:

[Chris K]

I think your take on Mercury is really not fair, especially with the new generation of their Verado motors. One test drive on the water with the power steering(like a hot knofe through butter when steering) and digital throttle (instant throttle response) and you will be impressed. Nothing on the market has the total package like Mercury does these days. The Verado was designed by a Porsche engineer, and the supercharger really gives you the low end torque and top end speed that no other four stroke on the market does. The AMS mount and ram system also gives you 5 inches of additional setback for improved performance, and holeshot is better, and very fast on all Lunds. A 2150 Baron with a 225 or 250 Verado will perform the best with a Verado, and the Pro Kicker setup for kicker steering is very sweet if you do a lot of trolling with your 9.9. Before you pass judgement on the past, drive a new Verado and I am sure you will be impressed. Chris K

[Hot Runr Guy]

I am looking to get a 2150 or 1950 baron mag not th grand ,sport I sold my 18 foot fisherman like an idiot, and now Im fishing out of a late 70's glass
boat, well it's great for lake superior it is a little tough to trailer to other places with gas prices going up. Iwas looking at Alumacraft but my local dealer wants to put a Tohatsu on it, I told him this isnt my first rodeo and walked out.

Here's an example of a dealer in Ontario that is advertising hanging an Evinrude on a new 1950 Tyee. If they can do it, so can others. Of course, as a point of reference, look at my tag line below. I believe in walking in to a dealership with cash in hand (or at least a sizable ordering deposit) and letting them know just how serious I am. Just sending emails or making phone calls has little chance of getting your point across.
Happy shopping.
HRG

[Flip Silverlake]

Where do you live in the great state of Michigan??? I know of a dealer in the Chicago area that will hang an Evinrude on a Lund for you. Brunswick is starting to turn the screws on dealers that are doing this, in fact there was a long time Lund dealer in south east Wisconsin that lost his Lund franchise becasue of rigging what the buyer wants.

[teamlund]

silver, Idont thonk that lund will pull their product from a good dealer becasue they are mounting other products other than merc on the back... They are still selling boats. Of course they would rather see a merc on the boats becasue they are both brunswicks products but its a sale with or without a merc.... Its all about the dealer. Some really want to go out of their way to get your business. A few years ago I bought a 16 ft Lund and had the options of a merc or a yamm.. Of course he pushed the merc alittle more but it doesnt matter. You can get what you want.

I would guess that there is more behind the scene to lund pulling their product from that dealership........

[FinsNFeet]

Can you buy a new boat without the motor and go to another dealer that sells the motor you want and buy the motor there and have him rig the boat without any warranty issues?

[teamlund]

yes you can, you can do whatever you want without voiding warranties as long as you dont put an engine larger than the hulls max hp rating.

[Flip Silverlake]

silver, Idont thonk that lund will pull their product from a good dealer becasue they are mounting other products other than merc on the back... They are still selling boats. Of course they would rather see a merc on the boats becasue they are both brunswicks products but its a sale with or without a merc.... Its all about the dealer. Some really want to go out of their way to get your business. A few years ago I bought a 16 ft Lund and had the options of a merc or a yamm.. Of course he pushed the merc alittle more but it doesnt matter. You can get what you want.

I would guess that there is more behind the scene to lund pulling their product from that dealership........

Brunswick pulled the plug on them becasue they were selling more Lunds without Merc engines on them. I got that directly from the General Manager.

[bob oh]

Are you afraid of a Tohatsu because you haven't seen one at a rodeo? They actually have an excellent rep so it might not be your first rodeo, but maybe you haven't looked at motors in a few years?????

[tzonetom]

Brunswick pulled the plug on them becasue they were selling more Lunds without Merc engines on them. I got that directly from the General Manager.

Every dealer I've been too in the last few months will rig a Lund with whatever they have. You may have to pay for re-rigging, or a higher motor cost.

The local dealer here says Lund charges a surcharge of sorts if you order a neckid boat.

[FinsNFeet]

I am going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a boat and now if I don't want to hang your sister company's motor off the back I have to pay a surcharge. Plus additional money for the motor I want. That would anger me I think:devil:

[1625rebel]

I rigged my '08 Lund with an '08 Yamaha. I paid the dealer to have the Merc controls and rigging removed and replaced with Yamaha. On paper at least, I paid $250. This seems cheap to me given the amount of labor involved. Of course it's always possible that I actually paid more than this in costs that were buried elsewhere. I didn't actually price a 75 Merc vs 75 Yamaha as I should have.

I thought the dealer said in 2009 they would start shipping with a controls delete option, so they would avoid having to de-rig the Lunds. Not sure if this was or is true.

[eyepirate]

i think bees sports may do evinrudes on a lund..i know erie bay harbor will do about any engine. but i have a lot more respect for bees.......the 2 biggest drawbacks to lund....sport traks and mercurys...........i run starcrafts same size one with merc opti/kicker the other with etec/johnson kicker..the etec blows the opti away..sure will be happy when rude gets a kicker etec goin for them....lockemans far and away best evinrude guys in mich

[teamlund]

What is wrong with the sport trak system? Yeah there are guys that dont like merc but you are the first I have heard of not like the sport track system? Why?

[jesse34567]

honda outboards are great


but out of those three definetly get the yamaha

[ozarkeyes]

The Sport Trak is a great idea- I want to drill the least amount of holes (especially larger than a #10 screw) into my boat, and for sure into that beautifal new boat. And you can move your rod holders to other handy places as your days outing might dictate.

[xfish]

I think your take on Mercury is really not fair, especially with the new generation of their Verado motors. One test drive on the water with the power steering(like a hot knofe through butter when steering) and digital throttle (instant throttle response) and you will be impressed. Nothing on the market has the total package like Mercury does these days. The Verado was designed by a Porsche engineer, and the supercharger really gives you the low end torque and top end speed that no other four stroke on the market does. The AMS mount and ram system also gives you 5 inches of additional setback for improved performance, and holeshot is better, and very fast on all Lunds. A 2150 Baron with a 225 or 250 Verado will perform the best with a Verado, and the Pro Kicker setup for kicker steering is very sweet if you do a lot of trolling with your 9.9. Before you pass judgement on the past, drive a new Verado and I am sure you will be impressed. Chris K

It's great that you think so much of a Mercury. I happen to think just as highly of a Yamaha, and could write a paragraph as to why I think it should be your choice of outboard. But they point is, you should be able to buy the motor you want and I should be able to buy the one I want. I'm not knocking Mercurys, I just would rather have a Yamaha.

[Hot Runr Guy]

anybody else notice that the OP hasn't been back since his original postings? He hasn't even been on WC since then. His IP address is out of Green Bay WI, not "northern Michigan". Me thinks he just wanted to get a bunch of us brand-loving guys at each others throats again.
Money talks, BS walks.
HRG

[what ??]

there is a possibility that we works in GB and lives across the boarder. It isn't that bad of a ride. jesus.

[hooknup]

I have no idea why my IP comes out of green bay,I was on vacation fishing lake superior.I asked a simple question no dupping,Im the type if I get burnt with something Im moving on to brand B. I talked to guy this weekend about his etec he cant stand it. Another gentelman chimed in his etec was fine,we all know somebody who has a different brand boat and motor some good some bad. I enjoyed my lund and would like another one but I want to chose my motor.Thanks to all who gave some dealers Im going to check if they have any leftover mags and not the grandsports.

[Hot Runr Guy]

Hookemup,
I stopped at my Lund dealer, who also sells Alumacrafts, and is a LONG time Yamaha dealer. I asked him if the rig you want could be ordered without a Merc on it, his answer was no. He would have to order the rig w/a motor on it, pull the black one off, and hang the Yamaha on it. Doable, but he's not interested in having a rack of big take-off motors. Now, if you had a buddy that needed that Merc, then it may make sense, and everybody is happy.
HRG

[tzonetom ul]

Have you looked in Central or northern WI. Plowman's in Minocqua sells Lunds and Suzuki's. He'll put one on a Lund. Hayward Power sports sells everything you can imagine, and will hang whatever you want off the back. M&J's in Wausau will put what ever you want on your new boat...But I wouldn't recommend them!

Tom

[teamlund]

Its all about the dealer... I am sure Lund and the dealer would rather see a merc on the back but that doesnt mean it cant be done....Dealers can order as many naked hulls as they want. But it is alot easier to have it show up to their shop all dressed up instead of having their guys doing all the extra rigging ect when they could be sevicing other boats washing, boats or creating other income for the dealership another way. The cusomer will pay for rigging regaurdless so why not have Lund deal with it.:grin:

[Johnnielund]

When I was looking for a Lund with an E-Tec and was striking out with every phone call, I called Lund. They gave me the number to a marina in MN and the number to Jerry's Sport Service in Beloit, Wi. I live in Illinois, so I called Jerry's. I was told "good choice on the E-tec, but we'll give you whatever you want" Turned out to be a good dealership. Great service department and very competitive pricing.

[Suzuki]

My 98 Lund has a Suzuki. I ordered the boat without motor then took to a Zuke dealer. I understand things have changed but if I bought a Lund today I would either get it with a Suzuki or not get a Lund.
Them forcing a motor brand is very insulting. It even sounds criminal in a way.

[Shorelunch]

My 98 Lund has a Suzuki. I ordered the boat without motor then took to a Zuke dealer. I understand things have changed but if I bought a Lund today I would either get it with a Suzuki or not get a Lund.
Them forcing a motor brand is very insulting. It even sounds criminal in a way.

It's funny how nobody gets mad at Yamaha being tied in with G3 and Skeeter. I never hear "I want an Etec on a G3." I think it says something about the Lund brand.

[muskieteer]

I was a longtime lund owner and was in the market for a new lund boat and i wanted an e-tec on the back. Lund was going to tell me what to put on the back. So i started looking at other boats and found a great looking alumacraft and bought that instead. One thing about the alumacraft is how fast it planes out probably twice as fast as my old lund. I am sure the hulls have gotten better for new lunds also. I always liked the Red lund but now it seems there style has gone down hill. They look more like a crestliner than a lund. But thats what happens when small companys sell out to the bigger ones.

[I Walleye]

Kind of like going to your Ford dealer and getting mad that you can't get a Chevy motor in it. Think of it this way, if you owned a boat company and a motor company, wouldn't you put the two together?

[colt100]

Kind of like going to your Ford dealer and getting mad that you can't get a Chevy motor in it. Think of it this way, if you owned a boat company and a motor company, wouldn't you put the two together?

If the truck came without a motor and I needed to buy one for it, I might wish for a different motor. Since vehicles come with motors and you don't have the dealer install it, that arugement is really apples to oranges.

I see why they put the motor combos on but if I want a different motor, I might decide to choose a different boat. I think that they should allow any motor to be rigged on their boats. Maybe offer a nice discount if you buy their brand on the boat as an incentive to do so. I have an e-tec and unless something happens with the one I have (I don't think that is likely), I'm going to want to re-power with another one when I buy a boat. I like the lunds and will be looking at them when I'm in the market for another boat but if I can't get the motor I want, I'll be looking at one of the other fine boat makers out there.

[teamlund]

It's funny how nobody gets mad at Yamaha being tied in with G3 and Skeeter. I never hear "I want an Etec on a G3." I think it says something about the Lund brand.

VERY good point shorelunch! Try getting a G3 with a mrec on the back, you will have the same issues.

[ziemann]

I think it is funny how some folks still get worked up about the Brunswick ownership of Lund. I am sure there are folks out there that wish a G3 boat would come with something other than a Yamaha. BUT, you just don't see it here since G3 (even under Yamaha) is a much smaller company than Lund/ Crestliner/ Lowe. Admit it- we were used to getting our Lunds with any motor we wanted in the past. When Brunswick purchased the Genmar aluminum business, many folks had a knee jerk reaction and responded with great critisism. G3 has always packaged their boats with a Yamaha- that expectation has been set and always been that way- so we don't question it.

It is like anything- you can have anything you want if you are willing to pay for it.

I wanted a Lund with a Johnson or an Evinrude E-tec- so I searched for a dealer that was willing and able to sell it that way. My dealer was more than accomodating....and my Lund Mr. Pike 17 performs beautifully with my 90 E-tec.

If you want a Lund with something other than a Merc- then you can buy it that way. If you want a G3 with something other than a Yamaha- I would imagine you could get it that way if it was that important to you....it is just a matter of what you are willing to pay to have that as a choice....

[Jimmy Jig]

There is a Lund dealer in Rochester, MN that also handles Yamaha and Evinrudes. He will install any one of the three you want.......He's a good dealer also.....

[lund rebel]

The rumors that i recall, that all this started back when Brunswick caught Yamaha importing motors in to this country with out paying duty tax through some lame tax loop they went to court and Brunswick won. That is why you can't order a boat with a Yamaha prerig. Yamaha won't sell any thing to Brunswick.
Brunswick and Genmar has been enemys for years since way back when they had a big lawsuit over some patten infringement I don't remember what the out come was, but some body lost and some body won.
So when Genmar sold out to Brunswick and Irwin Jacobs being good friends and former partners with BOMBERIER ( or how ever you spell it) that is why you can't get a evinrude with a lund.
and with suzuki it was just a lack of orders at the time that didn't justfy to pre rig the boats with suzuki with the cost keeping invortory.
But the moral of this little story is that you can have any motor you want on your lund boat, because of corperate greed you may have to pay a little more but your dealer can order your boat with out a pre-rig which will save a little on rigging, ALWAYS REMEMBER YOU ARE THE CUSTMER YOU GET IT YOUR WAY OR KEEP LOOKING FOR A DEALER THAT IS WIILLING TO DO IT YOUR WAY, DO NOT SETTLE FOR ANY THING LESS THAN YOU WANT. YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE CHECK BOOK.

[big_crappie]

It's funny how nobody gets mad at Yamaha being tied in with G3 and Skeeter. I never hear "I want an Etec on a G3." I think it says something about the Lund brand.

Skeeter and G3 dealers can order boats with no motors and no rigging and not be charged for the rigging. That is why a dealer can put any motor on they want to. 99.9% of the dealers know the superiority of the Yamaha that is why they choose to leave them on. Now yes there is a little pot stirring going on here HRG but do not blast me for it. It is true I can order a Skeeter hull only and put a Honda, Merc, E-tec or Suzuki on it if I have that request from a customer but so far not one has requested.....Oops I did it again!

[Yammie]

The rumors that i recall, that all this started back when Brunswick caught Yamaha importing motors in to this country with out paying duty tax through some lame tax loop they went to court and Brunswick won. That is why you can't order a boat with a Yamaha prerig. Yamaha won't sell any thing to Brunswick.
Brunswick and Genmar has been enemys for years since way back when they had a big lawsuit over some patten infringement I don't remember what the out come was, but some body lost and some body won.
So when Genmar sold out to Brunswick and Irwin Jacobs being good friends and former partners with BOMBERIER ( or how ever you spell it) that is why you can't get a evinrude with a lund.
and with suzuki it was just a lack of orders at the time that didn't justfy to pre rig the boats with suzuki with the cost keeping invortory.
But the moral of this little story is that you can have any motor you want on your lund boat, because of corperate greed you may have to pay a little more but your dealer can order your boat with out a pre-rig which will save a little on rigging, ALWAYS REMEMBER YOU ARE THE CUSTMER YOU GET IT YOUR WAY OR KEEP LOOKING FOR A DEALER THAT IS WIILLING TO DO IT YOUR WAY, DO NOT SETTLE FOR ANY THING LESS THAN YOU WANT. YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE CHECK BOOK.


You have it wrong. Mercury sued Yamaha because they thought Yamaha was "dumping" motors on the USA market. The courts decided in Yamaha's favor. Brunswick then bought Mercury, and began requiring Merc motors on all their boats. Yamaha, Evinrude, Suzuki, etc. it doesn't matter, Brunswick wants only Mercurys on its boats for a greater profit margin-----it's simply a corporate decision. With rare exceptions, Lund dealers will only sell you a Lund with a Mercury on the back. Unless you want to pay "big bucks" ordering a Lund rigged for a Merc, have all the rigging removed, and re-rig the boat for the motor you want.

[lund rebel]

You have it wrong. Mercury sued Yamaha because they thought Yamaha was "dumping" motors on the USA market. The courts decided in Yamaha's favor. Brunswick then bought Mercury, and began requiring Merc motors on all their boats. Yamaha, Evinrude, Suzuki, etc. it doesn't matter, Brunswick wants only Mercurys on its boats for a greater profit margin-----it's simply a corporate decision. With rare exceptions, Lund dealers will only sell you a Lund with a Mercury on the back. Unless you want to pay "big bucks" ordering a Lund rigged for a Merc, have all the rigging removed, and re-rig the boat for the motor you want.

I could be wrong about a few things and i know you are wrong about a few things, BUT I know for a fact that you can order a lund boat with a Honda pre-rig and you can order a Lund with out a pre-rig of any type, at no extra cost so you can have a lund with any motor you want at a reasnable cost.
And like I said if you can't find a dealer that is willing to work with you keep on looking, I know their is a lot of good Lund dealers out there.

[Yammie]

I could be wrong about a few things and i know you are wrong about a few things, BUT I know for a fact that you can order a lund boat with a Honda pre-rig and you can order a Lund with out a pre-rig of any type, at no extra cost so you can have a lund with any motor you want at a reasnable cost.
And like I said if you can't find a dealer that is willing to work with you keep on looking, I know their is a lot of good Lund dealers out there.


From the time Brunswick bought Lund, they've had a year by year agreement with Honda. You're right, you can order a Lund with a Honda (I didn't include Honda). But you are wrong when you say you can order a Lund without a Merc pre-rig at no extra cost. Unless, of course if it's a small row boat type boat.

[lund rebel]

From the time Brunswick bought Lund, they've had a year by year agreement with Honda. You're right, you can order a Lund with a Honda (I didn't include Honda). But you are wrong when you say you can order a Lund without a Merc pre-rig at no extra cost. Unless, of course if it's a small row boat type boat.

Any lund Dealers out there that can settle this ?????.

[tzonetom]

Not a lund dealer, but while looking for a boat this past spring, I could get any motor the dealer had in stock on a Lund....

The only dealer that would charge extra was M&J Marine in Wausau. If they had to take the pre rig off, there was a small labor charge. That was at all the dealers I stopped at.

Oh yeat, you can also get different motor than Yamaha on a G3 if you wanted too....but why would you want to. :)

[togan]

[QUOTE=tzonetom;1109739]Not a lund dealer, but while looking for a boat this past spring, I could get any motor the dealer had in stock on a Lund....

The statement was: "At no additional cost". If you're willing to pay for the un-rigging and re-rigging, then I guess it's possible. Anything's possible at a price.

[SkarMN75RBLS]

Lund is a good ol' American company and you should put a nice Mercury or Evinrude on her. Mercury's new line of verados are awesome and probably the best motors on the water.

[Togan]

Lund is a good ol' American company and you should put a nice Mercury or Evinrude on her. Mercury's new line of verados are awesome and probably the best motors on the water.

Lund is a good ol'American company and you should put a nice Yamaha or Suzuki on her. Yamaha's new line of 4-strokes are awesome and probably the best motors on the water.

[teamlund]

Lund is a good ol'American company and you should put a nice Yamaha or Suzuki on her. Yamaha's new line of 4-strokes are awesome and probably the best motors on the water.

So you have never been on a boat that was rigged with a verado.

[togan]

So you have never been on a boat that was rigged with a verado.

Yes, I have. But I more clearly remember the "explosive" Mercury OptiMax motors!

[Miami Vice]

Togan has a point.
Both OMC and Merc rushed into production their high pressure direct injection 2 stroke engines and many of us got stuck with bad engines. The Japanese are always looking for an advantage, and Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda and Tohatsu/ Nissan took advantage of OMC' and Merc's missteps, and increased their market share.
The same thing happened with GM rushing into making converted gas 350 blocks into diesel engines for Caddy & Olds, or GM's 4,6,8 Caddy Cimerons. Again Japan took advantage of GM's missteps and Toyota, Honda, and Nissan took away market share. And today GM declared bankruptcy.

The Verado, and the ETEC are excellent engines. They are some of the best engines out there today. As hard as it is to forget, we have to let bygones be bygones and forget the past, and give Merc and Evinrude a chance.
I only hope that when GM comes out of bankruptcy and makes better products that we the consumer want, that we give them a chance too.
Miami Vice

[SkarMN75RBLS]

Lund is a good ol'American company and you should put a nice Yamaha or Suzuki on her. Yamaha's new line of 4-strokes are awesome and probably the best motors on the water.


Have fun with your jap crap motors. It's pretty obvious that you've never had the verado expirience! :)

[T Mac]

Any lund Dealers out there that can settle this ?????.

I am a retired Lund dealer....a year ago.

"Yammie" is pretty much right.

However, I bring up one important reminder:
... Yamaha and Bombardier were the ones who stopped selling engines to the former Genmar aluminum boat lines (Lund & Crestliner). Yamaha tried to buy these boat lines, too.
Do you think they'd have allowed Mercs and "Rudes on the transoms if they'd gotten the bid?
Brunswick didn't stop anything. Yamaha and Bombardier did.


This is a thread topic that has been hashed over and over and over since 2005.
Be mad at whoever you want. But... for now things are ...like Yammie said.->You can get a Merc or a Honda.

Hey... you could be mad at Irwin Jacobs (Genmar)...after all, he sold Lund (and Crestliner) to Brunswick and started all of this...right?
But I hear Genmar filed Bankruptcy today....so his plan didn't work all that good either, I guess.

[Flip Silverlake]

Have fun with your jap crap motors. It's pretty obvious that you've never had the verado expirience! :)

You need to set in front of an E-Tec once. The term HANG ON really means something!

[SkarMN75RBLS]

You need to set in front of an E-Tec once. The term HANG ON really means something!

I hear them motors are awesome. I've always been an American made kinda guy hahaha

[Tess]

I hear them motors are awesome. I've always been an American made kinda guy hahaha

Opps! Evinrude is made by Bombardier-----Canadian.

[SkarMN75RBLS]

Opps! Evinrude is made by Bombardier-----Canadian.

Originally it was an American company, owned by small American family then sold to Briggs and stratton then built equipment for American troops in WWII. Now it is owned by a Canadian company.

[icenut]

Many Many yearsof running Merc of all sizes on every boat ive ever owned.Honestly ive never had a serious problem with any one of them!!!!Many of the dealers here in pa sell hondas also.There great motors also.When i pruchased my last boat every dealer not only the lund dealers but the Alumacraft,Crestliners,Fishers and Lowes all talked me out of the E-Tec Evenrudes b/c of many problems they didn even want to sell me one.O yes My Lund has a 90 4 stroke and 9.9 4 stroke kicker and they both run like a dream, I would never buy a boat w/o a merc unless it was a Honda.
We buy and want what we had the least trouble with and in my case its Merc and Toyotas. NEVER had problems with either but enjoy want you buy and good luck with it.

[Juls]

Opps! Evinrude is made by Bombardier-----Canadian.

Evinrude is owned by a Canadian Company, but the motors are built in Wisconsin, USA.

[Burr]

Stinky-one can buy a Lund with a Yamaha, Oh my, looks like it can be done...

http://www.walleyecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156196

Had one, it got totaled, so he just got another one. I'll bet he could do it again.

[Cape Cod Basser]

Its a shame that so many people have been layed-off at Lund, when they could be selling many more boats if buyers had a choice in their motor. Someone at Lund needs to re-think this. If each Lund dealer nationwide just sold one more boat per year that didn't have a Merc on it, how much would their numbers go up? I bet a lot. That would mean more people working.

[icenut]

you mean they arent laying off the other boat companies b/c they have yamahas or e tecs??????
Me and the 8 out of ten of all the other boats here here probably wouldnt have bought our lunds w/o the merc!!!!!
Funny everywhere i fish ,many different makes of boats.crestliners,starcrafts,Lowes, fisher,trackers,and almost all of the I/O markek all have mercs on them, its probably cause there just cheap and junky yea thats why.I dont think the motor has any thing to do with Lund laying off people.

[teamlund]

this is insane! they do have a choice in what type on engine goes on the transom if a Lund BUT you will have to pay for it......I am pretty sure that Lund isnt the only company laying off. What about crestliner and all the other brunswick companies. Its the same deal as the Lund, the mercs get pushed harder but its a matter of the dealer and your money to get a motor other than a "black" one on the boat. :banghead:

[Cape Cod Basser]

You miss the point. If someone is interested in buying your product, you shouldn't drive them away by penalizing them for their preference for another motor brand. Its my understanding that they WON'T send a boat from the factory without the Merc pre-rig and motor. Therefore, if you want another motor, the dealer has to find someone to buy the Merc motor, and undo the pre-rig, and then install rigging for the other motor brand. Sounds counter-productive.

There are few industries in this country that are immune to lay-offs in these times. The survivors will be those that have flexibility and respond to consumer demands. If eight out of ten Lund buyers would prefer a Merc, what's wrong with going after the other two who don't want Merc's? That's still a lot of boats.

For instance, Ranger has a special relationship with Evinrude, and to a lesser degree Yamaha through the FLW. People who choose those brands get incentives through promotions, rebates, and tournament rewards. However, there are many who prefer a Merc. Does Ranger tell them they're going to charge them more money for choosing Merc? I don't think so. Although Genmar isn't in the motor business, they compete directly with Brunswick in the boat building business. I suspect thats why Ranger/FLW promotes the other brands. But they don't turn away potential buyers who want their product with a non-preferred motor. Also, sending a boat out without the pre-rigging is less labor intensive, and therefore less costly.

[Kino]

After sorting through all the who owns who, and who sold out what, the bottom line is that today we are blessed with ALOT of great engine choices out there. I am a big jap fan when it comes to motors. Hondas,suzukis and yamahas are ALL GREAT engines. I own 2 suzukis now as well as 2 hondas. My new boat has a BF 150 Honda and a 9.9 high thrust Honda kicker. Both awesome at what they do though not very old. They came on a lund factory rigged. I am not a big merc fan so if you want a motor made in Japan I would go with the honda as I feel there is really little difference in the big three (tohatsu I left out as I have had NO dealings with but they don't offer NEAR the hp options as the others)

[1625rebel]

Its a shame that so many people have been layed-off at Lund, when they could be selling many more boats if buyers had a choice in their motor. Someone at Lund needs to re-think this. If each Lund dealer nationwide just sold one more boat per year that didn't have a Merc on it, how much would their numbers go up? I bet a lot. That would mean more people working.

First off, I'm in agreement with you that their policy is pretty lame. I bought a Lund last summer and paid $250 to de-rig Merc controls and add Yamaha. Which wasn't too bad of a deal in my mind, certainly not a deal breaker. I'm wondering what the true cost was to make this change, because $250 sounds light to me.

But on the other hand if they sold one more Lund with some other motor, the net P/L is probably close to zero. So they gained a little profit from the Lund. They also potentially lost out on at least one hesitant buyer who did not want to pay to de-rig his boat. Even though his preference was a motor with hues of gray, silver, or white.

I'm sure their decision was purely based on the top line analysis. I don't know the margins of a Lund boat vs a Mercury Outboard, but I'm sure that makes a difference also. Their decision, but I would agree they ultimately sell fewer Lunds because of it.

[Suzuki]

Have fun with your jap crap motors. It's pretty obvious that you've never had the verado expirience! :)

It's pretty obvious you have never had the Suzuki or Yamaha experience.

[SkarMN75RBLS]

It's pretty obvious you have never had the Suzuki or Yamaha experience.

Very true. Since I made that comment, I have been in both. I can say I'm not as ignorant as before. They are pretty good motors. But I still love the Verado Experience!

[Johnnielund]

When I bought my Lund with an E-Tec, my dealer made the comment that "the biggest favor Lund ever did for Alumacraft was to make the Lund hull Mercury" Don't know how true that is, but for the guys on the fence between Lund and Alumacraft, it more than likely pushed some of them to Alumacraft.

[Excaliber]

When I bought my Lund with an E-Tec, my dealer made the comment that "the biggest favor Lund ever did for Alumacraft was to make the Lund hull Mercury" Don't know how true that is, but for the guys on the fence between Lund and Alumacraft, it more than likely pushed some of them to Alumacraft.


That's exactly what I'm considering doing right now. The Closest Lund dealers will only sell a Lund with a Merc and I don't want a Merc. I test drove a Lund with the Verado and it seemed like a great engine. The only thing is Merc's history and my experience with them in the past. Two Merc's and two engines I wish I never owned.

Everyone says the Verado is an awesone engine but many of us have been burned by Mercury in the past and it's pretty darn hard to give them another shot after learning how awesome Honda's and Yamaha's are.

There is one dealer (7 Hours away)who would order a Lund unrigged and hang a Yamaha on it for us. We really want a Honda but we'll see. He also said Merc has raised the pricing on the Verado's for 2010 so He's going to lose his pricing advantage. He said he's going to rig Yamaha's on more Lund's next year.

We might go with a local dealer who sells Alumacraft and Honda/ Yamaha's.
Another example of another person possibly leaving for an Alumacraft.

[Matt V]

That's exactly what I'm considering doing right now. The Closest Lund dealers will only sell a Lund with a Merc and I don't want a Merc. I test drove a Lund with the Verado and it seemed like a great engine. The only thing is Merc's history and my experience with them in the past. Two Merc's and two engines I wish I never owned.

Everyone says the Verado is an awesone engine but many of us have been burned by Mercury in the past and it's pretty darn hard to give them another shot after learning how awesome Honda's and Yamaha's are.

There is one dealer (7 Hours away)who would order a Lund unrigged and hang a Yamaha on it for us. We really want a Honda but we'll see. He also said Merc has raised the pricing on the Verado's for 2010 so He's going to lose his pricing advantage. He said he's going to rig Yamaha's on more Lund's next year.

We might go with a local dealer who sells Alumacraft and Honda/ Yamaha's.
Another example of another person possibly leaving for an Alumacraft.

Unless something has changed, last year when I bought my new Lund, you could order them from the factory rigged with Honda's on them. Those were the only 2 choice's from the factory, Honda or Mercury. The dealer would put any motor that I wanted, you would just have to pay for the re-rigging. I was originally going to order a Honda 150, but my dealer talked me into a 175 Verado on it. I am really glad that he did, it was an awesome motor!

[Excaliber]

Unless something has changed, last year when I bought my new Lund, you could order them from the factory rigged with Honda's on them. Those were the only 2 choice's from the factory, Honda or Mercury. The dealer would put any motor that I wanted, you would just have to pay for the re-rigging. I was originally going to order a Honda 150, but my dealer talked me into a 175 Verado on it. I am really glad that he did, it was an awesome motor!

It's true I could order a Lund with a Honda on it but the closest dealer is in Great Lakes area and I'm in Idaho.

[Hot Runr Guy]

It's true I could order a Lund with a Honda on it but the closest dealer is in Great Lakes area and I'm in Idaho.
Here's your new rig, with the 150 Honda already on it. If you leave now, you can pick it up, and meet us at Lake Winnie in MN for the WC get together. We'll properly christen it, maybe even finish the break-in before you leave.
http://www.aronsonboatworks.com/newboatsforsale.shtml

HRG

[Excaliber]

Only 1548 miles away. That's what we want. Maybe they'll deliver?

[Hot Runr Guy]

Only 1548 miles away. That's what we want. Maybe they'll deliver?
it ain't so bad. 3100 miles/15mpg = 206 gallons @ $2.50 = $516 fuel cost, 3 nights & meals, it's a $1000 investment to get the rig you want now. How does their advertised pricing compare with what you've seen so far?
HRG

[Excaliber]

It's a great deal. I'm going to give them call and see what's included.

[Tony Shirley]

That's exactly what I'm considering doing right now. The Closest Lund dealers will only sell a Lund with a Merc and I don't want a Merc. I test drove a Lund with the Verado and it seemed like a great engine. The only thing is Merc's history and my experience with them in the past. Two Merc's and two engines I wish I never owned.

Everyone says the Verado is an awesone engine but many of us have been burned by Mercury in the past and it's pretty darn hard to give them another shot after learning how awesome Honda's and Yamaha's are.

There is one dealer (7 Hours away)who would order a Lund unrigged and hang a Yamaha on it for us. We really want a Honda but we'll see. He also said Merc has raised the pricing on the Verado's for 2010 so He's going to lose his pricing advantage. He said he's going to rig Yamaha's on more Lund's next year.

We might go with a local dealer who sells Alumacraft and Honda/ Yamaha's.
Another example of another person possibly leaving for an Alumacraft.
Honda 225 blew up at last tourny in red lake,and burn a lot of gas which surprised me ,honda wide open burn a lot of fuel ask around.I luv my verados but my other choice would be a suzuki .Yamaha is reliable but are the same power as mercusry at 3/4 throttle

[Bandit]

[QUOTE=Flip Silverlake;1106856]Brunswick pulled the plug on them becasue they were selling more Lunds without Merc engines on them. I got that directly from the General Manager.[/QUOTE

Over the last few years Lund has pulled product from Dealers for many reasons Like Customer service ( Pride On CSI Ratings ), Dealers Not Meeting Minimum orders, Dealers Not Paying Bills & Warranty Fraud. We had one local dealer, loss Lund boats due to CSI performance & not paying his bills on time?

[A_Andy]

In 2004 we ordered a Lund Alaskan DC20 with Yamaha power from Jerry’s Sport Service in Beloit, WI. It is a small dealership and Beaver (Steve Edwards) will respond to an email.

Jerry's Sport Service Inc.
3100-B Riverside Drive (Hwy 51N)
Beloit, WI 53511
E-Mail: Sales@JerrysBoats.com

Phone: 608-365-4520

[1625rebel]

Honda 225 blew up at last tourny in red lake,and burn a lot of gas which surprised me ,honda wide open burn a lot of fuel ask around.I luv my verados but my other choice would be a suzuki .Yamaha is reliable but are the same power as mercusry at 3/4 throttle

Honda's with Vtec burn a lot of fuel at WOT because you are on high cam past the RPM changeover point. The good news is that on the low cam they are very miserly on gas. Vetc is some pretty cool technology for outboards.

For cars, it's less useful because how often are you over 5500-6000 rpm's? Well, okay for mine a fair amount actually :)

[bvs]

honda wide open burn a lot of fuel ask around

LOL. Find me an engine that won't burn a lot of fuel wide open. Honda burns the least of them. Look at the this test by Mercury itself. I like how the Honda 150 (with Vtec btw) mysteriously dissappears from the charts when the topic of fuel economy comes up.

http://www.mercurymarine.com/look_deeper/head_to_head.php?ID=57&SortBy=Title&Section=outboardChecks&fourCyl135200=3&sixCyl200300=4

I have never seen a head-to-head outboard test where Honda didn't come out ahead on fuel economy.

FYI, my 225HP burns 17gph at WOT. I average about 6-7gph on a typical day waterskiing and pulling the kids around on tubes at 20-30mph. This is on a 22' 5000lb boat (including passengers, fuel, etc).

[Excaliber]

I saw that too. Honda's are the most economical and reliable outboards ever made so far. It's funny how they were missing on the mileage comparison test. They aren't the fastest but comparing them to the Verado with a SC isn't a fair comparison either. 2.8 MPH isn't that big of a deal.

All engines burn gas at WOT. Honda just burn less.

LOL. Find me an engine that won't burn a lot of fuel wide open. Honda burns the least of them. Look at the this test by Mercury itself. I like how the Honda 150 (with Vtec btw) mysteriously dissappears from the charts when the topic of fuel economy comes up.

http://www.mercurymarine.com/look_deeper/head_to_head.php?ID=57&SortBy=Title&Section=outboardChecks&fourCyl135200=3&sixCyl200300=4

I have never seen a head-to-head outboard test where Honda didn't come out ahead on fuel economy.

FYI, my 225HP burns 17gph at WOT. I average about 6-7gph on a typical day waterskiing and pulling the kids around on tubes at 20-30mph. This is on a 22' 5000lb boat (including passengers, fuel, etc).

[Tony Shirley]

I saw that too. Honda's are the most economical and reliable outboards ever made so far. It's funny how they were missing on the mileage comparison test. They aren't the fastest but comparing them to the Verado with a SC isn't a fair comparison either. 2.8 MPH isn't that big of a deal.

All engines burn gas at WOT. Honda just burn less. Did u mean 28 miles an hour lol

[Excaliber]

At 3/4 throttle too right?:D

[Tony Shirley]

At 3/4 throttle too right?:D
1/2 throttle lol