View Full Version : Projected Summer Gas Prices?
I don't want a debate, just some information...
Given the current unseasonably high gas prices, has anyone heard what we can expect this summer?
If I'm not wrong, I think I was paying around $1.49 last summer for regular unleaded.
Thanks, Turk!
Based on what I heard on a radio talk show, in which they had an oil company representative, they were predicting prices to easily reach the $2.00 mark. They said that there was going to be more demand and that there was a cut back in production.
I think that they will continue to lie to the public and gouge us with these rediculous prices.
They state that their is no colaberation between the gas stations, but it sure seems funny how within a half hour or so, all of the stations seem to raise their prices at basically the same time.
Ed
curt quesnell
03-26-2002, 01:59 PM
I remember last summer and fall when the chicken littles were
screaming that 5 and 6 dollar a gallon gas was on its way....get
ready for the end boys and girls cause shes a commin!!!!!(should we
check the archives for the names)
This (or any internet discussion board) isnt a good place to ask
this kind of question. As helpful as most folks try to be with
walleye stuff you will not be able to sift thru the clutter to
find one post that may have some value. My best shot at answering
your question is nobody knows but it probably wont be as bad as
you think it might be.
Try CNN, MSNBC, read a paper and make your own guess.
Curt Quesnell
I remember paying $75 to put 38 gallons in the Suburban in June.
How much depends on
1. Invade Iraq or Iran or any other country with oil.
2. How much did the companies contributed to your congressman.
3. Did a refinery break down.
4. How much do they think we will pay?
5. another 9/11 incident
Now you figure it out
I remember last summer. Gas prices here in the states went up and you know what it does to the prices of a liter in Canada. Gas goes up just in time for our fly-in trip and you pay through the nose then. The price always goes up for the weekend because they say it is the anticipated demand that raises the price. But, if there is a bad storm that keeps people in, the price still stays up. Its price gouging and we all know that. Prices stayed down during the 9-11 attack and demand does not get any more critical than that.
Fish_on
03-26-2002, 04:33 PM
Number 4 is the correct answer.
If this happens again, it will be the third year in a row that gas prices went up 80 cents per gallon in the summer months. What's sucks even more is that there isn't a thing we can do about it.
iamwalleye1
03-26-2002, 05:16 PM
$1.40 today and it is not summer yet! In the midwest they swicth to the cleaner burning fuel in the summer that always make it go up!
Hey fishon,
Are you going soft or what. What do you mean there is nothing we can do about it. With your passive attitude I might as well bend down. Didn't Al Gore wanted to get rid of the internal combustion engine all together and redevelpoe a new fuel efficient and environmentally safe engine. Who shot that down the rich oil men that sleep in bed with the OPEC nations. There is a lot of things we can do. Why not start a whole new political party in this country all together and throw out the 2 party system that we have now. I think it stinks in my book but you have to educate the american people first and that takes time. Hopefully the next generation will see it. Things will not get any better until the american people put their foot down and say we have had enough. There is one thing we can do now and it will work all it would take is about 2 weeks. Everybody stay out of the gas stations and call in sick to work for one week and I gaurentee you, You will send a strong message to washington that it is time for a real change in this country. Ray
Fish_on
03-26-2002, 06:08 PM
If I really thought that would work I'd be all for it. Getting people to stop driving for even one week would be a virtual impossibility and the entire economy would collapse if trucking and everything shut down.
Fishon,
We have to start someplace. The american people have gotten to soft.They have to send a message to washington now. I know you won't get 100% cooperation but you have to start someplace. It is time we all make a big sacrafice. the rich wants to suck the little man dry. I myself would rather get into the trenches now and hit them hard. Ray
Tom (mich)
03-26-2002, 06:38 PM
This morning I heard some gas/oil representative on the radio proclaiming that it costs more to refine gas in the summer than in the winter. Frankly, I'm tired of the annual rhetoric - burst pipeline in podunk, refinery fires, strong east winds (no wait, that's my Erie excuse). I'd actually be impressed to, just once, hear one of these oil execs say "we're raising prices simply because we can, and there isn't a ##### thing you can do about it."
Hey Bob, if we all did not buy gas for one week, wouldn't we buy twice as much the next week? Where's the message exactly?
You know -- it really doesn't matter does it??????
If you want to take a trip, if you want to go fishing, if you want to visit grandma - you are going to do it aren't you.
If the prices of gas are up - and if you really want to take a trip - you will simply cut back some where else - in order to make the trip.
Enjoy the oil bounty and cheap gas that we have had in past years - and accept the fact that gas prices are going to rise for ever in the future.
It is just a matter of when, how much, and if we can still do what we want with our internal compustion engines.
If we don't like the price of gas, we can pedel a bike, or sail a sail boat.
Enjoy the summer and go fish!!!!!
REW
The Guide
03-26-2002, 07:23 PM
If your going to be in SD i think your going to be paying $1.75 to $1.90 by the beginning of June.
As far as price fixing I heard the owner of one gas station tell his employee the guy down the street raied his prices today, we better go up.
Don't you think the oil giants do the same think!}> ><> ><>
REW, I don't think it could have been stated any better! AMEN! You said it. If you are gonna go fish, then go fish. Whether gas prices are 1.00 or 2.50, does it really matter? "Enjoy the summer!" -And not to get to philospohical but we need to live every day like it is our last! You never know what deck you've been dealt but I for one firmly believe that our books have all been written and we are just living them out. Everyone, don't get so worked up! Enjoy your summer and your time on the water!
It's times like this when I am even more happy that I now work from home. My commute is 20 feet from bed to office, my truck has 8k miles on it in the last 1.5 years (all of it hunting or fishing) and I rarely need to fill my tank more than once per month.
Even for people who drive more than me, the extra 30 cents per gallon doesn't really add up to much more... not that I want to pay it... unless you commute a loooong ways (I used to put on 100 miles a day) or drive for a living.
But I would like to see it stay put.
-Box
(the down side is I work basically 24 hours a day, because my office is always close at hand)
River_eye
03-26-2002, 07:43 PM
Gasoline is an inelastic good. Meaning we will buy the same amount at any price, or almost any price.
If, for some reason we were actually able to keep gas prices down indefinately by one of Ray's ideas or somthing, then it would just be worse later on.
The best thing to do would be to teach your kids that the internal combustion engine doesn't solve everything and maybe it's better to choose a different way. That way their quality of life won't be affected by gas prices.
I aggree with REW, ride a bike, get a sailboat or somthing to that extent, if we're going to be forced to anyways, might as well be one of the first ones so you're relaxing while everybody else is running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
River_eye
03-26-2002, 07:46 PM
I aggree too. If the quality of your life is heavily affected by gas prices, then you are living the wrong type of life.
More ramblings
03-26-2002, 08:27 PM
Ray,
Is Al Gore going to save us all with fuel cell cars? That is a laugh. This is a capitalistic society! Don't you think that if there was something out there better than the combustion engine that some company would have it manufactured and making Billions on it? Or do you think that the oil rich republicans would have the black helicopter guys take care of these companies before they could tell the world about their invention?? Come back down to earth here!
You know other countries make cars too. Can you blame it on the oil rich republicans that these other countries don't have anything better than the combustion engine?
The only people disappointed that Al Gore did not win the election is the Taliban and Al Queada!
Weyes1
03-26-2002, 08:41 PM
Latest I heard was that since the "Economy" is picking up, the gas prices are increasing as well. Prices are forecasted to be $1.80/gal. by Memorial day and may exceed $2.00/gal. Really glad I only have to deal with fuelling and commuting to and from work. Since I sold my boat one because I couldn't afford the property taxes and two I couldn't afford to put gas in the thing to fish, It's 70 miles to any good walleye fishing here in Kansas.
I say if the prices get out of line write your Congressman or Senator and Voice your disapproval. I know I will!
--
Weyes1
Kevin Clark
weyes1@wamego.net
You'll sure get the truth from CNN MSNBC and the like. They are all anti big car whackos.
Write your senator to lower the fuel taxes. In 1986 I paid 1.20 per gallon. I still have the receipt. Don't ask why. Taxes in Ohio back then were around a quarter per gallon. Today they are over 40 cents. 40 freaking cents. When gas was near a dollar a gallon, the government was getting a huge amount of the pie. Fuel raw costs haven't raised all that much, especially with the cost of living. But refining costs are increasing and are about to jump again. By 2004 and 2006 new standards will be in effect for producers by the EPA. These are costs of equipment and construction that DO NOT add profit or income. Who do you think will pay? You know who. I'm not an oil sympathizer, just someone who isn't wealthy enough to ignore the entire picture. I see who's getting the big cut at the pump....and it's pretty sad.
Silver/MI
03-26-2002, 09:29 PM
My prediction: 2.29 by memorial weekend. Not fact based, just a realitic pessimistic hunch.
I got my first car in the fall of '86, it had a V8 360 that got 11 mpg and gas was about 1.29/gal. It was $1.34 today. As much as we like to complain it is still an incredible bargain. State and local taxes on it are nearly .50/gallon. Last time I looked people were paying $.99 for 24.oz of bottled municiple water, while at the same time b%#tchin about 1.34 gas. I think it's fair to say that the price of a truck since 1986 has more than doubled, almost tripled. The price of college tuition was $45/credit hour when I started, and 95/credit hour when I left 6 years later.
As much as I like the low prices we've been lucky. I do agree that there are alot of shenanigans going on with the price raising. The seasonal raising has only been a trend the last few years. Lets hope the russians keep the supply up and foil the opec cuts.
Smartypants
03-26-2002, 09:34 PM
.......and Hollywood!
Late night rambling
03-26-2002, 10:56 PM
Hey Eric,
Isn't dang near everyone's quality of life impacted by the price of gas or fuel? Not just the expendable money we use to buy fuel for our outboards and tow vehicles. Sure...we could quit doing that if we had to and it meant life or death. But look at everything else, brought to you by fuel--transportation, manufactoring, household heating, clean drinking water, food production, national security, lights........
Heck...I can't point to one thing in this room I'm sitting in that's cost isn't directly tied to the cost of some type of fuel.
The world is a mess right now. When you get down to the nitty gritty of why things are the way they are...it's easy...fuel.
What's the alternative? Turn back the hands of time and live like cavemen? Sounds like a nice, simple, slow paced life. But I bet even the cavemen traded T-Rex burger for a little fire wood now and then...more fuel:)
I think I understand your point. I sometimes wish it were true. Unfortunately, I just don't think it's that simple anymore.
River_eye
03-26-2002, 11:36 PM
The problem is, too many people think their quality of life has to do with all those things sitting in their living room or garage. My quality of life depends on the kinds of friends and family I have, and free time spent doing somthing I like to do and learning about things I'm interested in.
You are right, if gas prices go up, the cost of everything will go up. But are we going to be less happy as people, I sure hope not, at least I won't.
We don't have to live in caves again, although we may have to be more conscious of all the energy that we waste for no good reason. There's no reason that we shouldn't have luxuries, but there are more energy efficient ways of having them.
eyedoktr
03-27-2002, 04:04 AM
I have to agree with Silver. Even if the price goes to $2.50 a gallon, it's a bargain compared to other things, ex. bottled water, Coke (Pepsi), cup of coffee, etc. Yeah, I don't like paying that much either but as long as I can get all the gas I want, whenever I want it, I'm willing to pay what they ask.
Mike2
03-27-2002, 05:14 AM
First - governments make lots more profit on gasoline than any oil company does.
Second - Have you ever purchased a liter of drinking water for a dollar when you stopped to fill up your truck and boat? Lets see, to make gasoline you pump oil out of the ground, pipe it to a ship, haul it to the US, ship it to a refinery, refine it into gasoline, and haul it to a gas station. To make bottled water you pump it out of the ground, run it through a filter, and put it into a bottle and ship it. If gasoline goes to $2.00 a gallon, isn't it still a much better deal that bottled water at $8.00 a gallon. Or Coca Cola, or Orange juice or ......
Mike
Wawajake
03-27-2002, 06:12 AM
The one rhetoric I hate !!! Is comparing gas to bottled water , its not the same !!!! Perhaps compare it to the price you pay for water out of your tap because both are bulk delivered and your not paying for a plastic container that can be recycled and the advertising on every container.
However the extreme environmentalists and other left wing causes like us to to use the bottled water analogy to force us into their mold of thinking. Please avoid using and expanding their language and cause.
(My apologies to those posted above I am sure it was innocent comparison)
Another example is the rhetoric that SUV's are the death nell to wasting gas etc. Now look back 20 years and see what gas mileage the regular car or station wagon got. The SUV's efficency is not that bad after all , and those that need because of our life style should not feel guilty.
jake
Big Fish Eddie
03-27-2002, 06:45 AM
Face it... we're going to get screwed again!
jigtugger
03-27-2002, 07:04 AM
Don't forget about inflation in your analysis. When factored, your 1986 gas actually was costing you more than today, and significantly more than prices through this last winter. No different than listening to my grandmother gripe about what kids are paying for houses these days, and how she paid $3500 for their estate in 1938.
Tom (mich)
03-27-2002, 07:27 AM
I re-read my owner's manual, and my new F-250 won't run on 39 gallons of bottled water. So the relevance of the comparison to gas is what exactly?
One only has to read the responses and it is obvious why we are getting screwed. For one reason or another, we cannot and never will, stick together. Some of us have been brainwashed to the point that we will accept anything thrown at us by out politicians.
Work in the political arena as I did for many years. It is very obvious when newly elected politicians become millionaires after just several years of being in office. Ive seen it first hand and know why and how it was accomplished. There is one thing all of you should consider: A majority of our politicians think that we, the American people, are gullible enough to swallow anything if it is presented with authority. They know that protests may occur, but after a short while, easily forgotten...
Greggb
03-27-2002, 10:03 AM
Funny, Turk posted this asking for information and not a debate. Heck it didnt even make it until the second post.
DarrenB
03-27-2002, 10:23 AM
Good point. If you don't want to pay $1.00 for a bottle of water, you don't have to. Go to a fountain or your kitchen tap for water. If you are that paranoid about drinking bad water you can even buy a water filtration thing that in the end will save you money over bottled water. What alternative do we have to put in our trucks? Unfortunatley not all of us have a home office or can bike to work.
We need our cars and they know that. I'm guessing $2.06 in Chicago by Memorial Day weekend.
Silver/MI
03-27-2002, 10:26 AM
Lets face it, its a loaded question that no one knows. Of course there's debate. As far as comparing to bottled water, the point is that people will pay a buck for a 20oz bottle of water that they can get for free from anywhere they go. It says to me that people don't value a buck too much. Also the point is that water is one of the most plentiful resources in the world, and is drinkable right out of the ground without processing. And oil is pumped, shipped around the world, re-stored in tanks, pumped again, shipped again, refined, shipped again, and it STILL CHEAPER THAN BOTTLED WATER! THATS THE POINT. If there a fountain spouting free gasoline in every town the line would be very long
DarrenB
03-27-2002, 10:40 AM
You seem to got the game down pretty good Joe, did you ever run for office yourself? I agree with what you say about the millionaire politicians not representing us as they have gotten themselves out of the average-joe loop, and on the gullibility of America. Unfortunately one man or one organization isn't strong enough to go up against the government to protest this nonsense. Where do we go? Who do we talk to? Since the politicians are part of the system and are fat cats living the high-life, it's unlikely they'd ever stick their necks out.
AquaMan
03-27-2002, 01:20 PM
Ain't dat da truth, REW! It will be what it will be. I am no longer concerned about it.
I found that all the hype and hording last year gained nothing. I still took the trips I needed to and still went to the lake when I wanted to.
Just part of the cost of living in a free country folks! If the price is too high get it else where. If you can't do that, don't drive. Like my Uncle always said, "If you don't like it, boy, leave, just quite your ##### complaining....." (He was not a great guy)
Other then that, know that you can go where you want, when you want and with whom you want cuz this is America! (Canada, too)
AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Crawfish. They aren't just for bait anymore!
Crawfish
03-27-2002, 01:39 PM
Whatever, dude.
ANXIOUS
03-27-2002, 03:55 PM
COLLABORATION FOR SURE. IN OUR TOWN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I SAW THE GAS PRICES JUMP. ONE DAY THEY WENT UP 20 CENTS. THE NEXT MORNING I SEE THAT AN S.A STATION CAME DOWN ONE CENT!!! I TOLD THE GAL BEHIND THE COUNTER,"I CAN JUST IMAGINE THE PAPER WORK GENERATED TO LOWER THE PRICE BY ONE CENT" AND SHE RESPONDED,"OH,WE DROPPED ONE CENT BECAUSE THE STATION DOWN THE STREET WAS THAT PRICE". RIGHT THERE ALL MY THEORIES CAME TRUE. WE ARE GETTING HOSED BIG TIME!! I DONT KNOW WHO IS TO BLAME BUT SOMEONE IS LINING THEIR POCKETS BIG TIME!!
gassed
03-27-2002, 06:01 PM
I agree there Jake. Another point is your not going to go and drink 15 or 20 gallons of water everytime you go out fishing.If someone wants to campare don't use water.
Just my 2cents
Atomic Eye
03-27-2002, 07:50 PM
Did you hear that night crawlers are going to be $10 / dozen this walleye fishing season and crankbaits will $40 each? If those were the primary & only baits you used to catch eyes, would it deter you from buying them? How much does your annual expenditure on bait compare to your ammortized boat purchase costs, annual boating insurance, new rods / reels / line, etc? Oh by the way, how much do you spend on gasoline compared to these expenditures? While gas may not be a big factor in most of our fishing budgets, the US has to get a handle on this problem!
Even if gasoline goes to $ 2- 3 / gallon, we've got a good thing going if we don't have to use our oil reserves and strategic petroleum reserves. We've only got a limited amount of oil in the ground available to us. The dinosaurs aren't making it for us in a timeframe where we can benefit.
Maybe we should use up the Saudi & Iraqui oil, and preserve ours? Sounds like an investment into future security to me. But, there are short term hurts to us.
This is a very complicated issue. It's one that this board can't resolve, but gives us an avenue to express our opinions.
Atomic Eye (New Mexico) -- "Gone Fission!" ~~~<}}}:>
John Wayne
03-28-2002, 03:38 AM
I work at a local Oil Refinery in West Virginia. We get our crude oil from Ohio, PA, NY, and WVa. When you refine crude oil you get gas. You can't make anything else from gas. So we sell it cuz there is nothing else we can do with it. We make virtually no profit from gas cuz its not our specialty. Maybe 0.05 cents or so is our profit. I know we a selling the stuff for 0.65 cents a gallon. So after use you have a 3rd party transportation fee, taxes, then the gas stations tac on what they want. So I think the refinerys should be the last to blame.
jimbo2
03-28-2002, 05:21 AM
Don't tell anyone you heard this from me, but gas just went DOWN to $1.29 yeterday in Duluth. I wonder why?
How can prices jump up and down like that? I wish I knew.
When gasoline and beer are the same price, thats when we have a dilemma!
Ristorapper
03-28-2002, 04:59 PM
I remember the fuel prices here topping off at $1.879 in ND. As the price of gas went up the road trips to the walleye waters got shorter.
I am anxiously awaiting other comments on REW's post as wind energy comes in to power our boats, cars ect. See his post elsewhere on the board.
BW(ND)
AquaMan
03-28-2002, 05:47 PM
Ahhhh, Yeah...OK! So you mean?
AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Crawfish...not just for bait anymore!
Crawfish
03-28-2002, 09:00 PM
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