Fishing son kills moms dog.

[REW]

I was listning to the radio last night, and a lady relayed a sad story. It seems that her son, who is an avid hunter and fisherman, and only likes purebred dogs, had a problem with his mothers cocker spanial - who was bothering his gopher traps. So, without asking her, he took it on himself, to shoot and kill his mothers dog.

Needless to say - I personally think that this act is inexcusable.

The question was raised by the talk show host -- What should be done about this situation, by the mother to her sons actions??

If you were in a similar situation, and either had someone in your family or a close friend do this to your dog - without either your knowledge or permission -- what would you do?

I know that as hunters and fisher folks - most of us love dogs and their companionship.

Just asking the question.

Take care
REW

[rickn]

i THINK THE KID HAS HEAD PROBLEMS, AND NEEDS SOME COUNSELING BEFORE HE SHOOTS something else or some one! Sorry about the caps, I bumped the key.

[ANXIOUS]

if the boy has a dad,dad should ##### slap the boy! if he does not have a dad,she should find someone else to do it!! then they should take his guns away!!

[Jimmy]

Sorry REW but Cocker Spaniels are terrible dogs, especially when it comes to kids. Not saying that this is the right thing to do, but to me there is more to this story!

[CanEye]

I agree........this kid has major problems. As much as I try and keep things in the familly I'd press criminal charges on this kid. He should not be carrying any firearms.

[moreyes]

It is a strange world!

good luck moreyes

[gpbrown]

On the surface I'd agree, that this act is inexcusable. But as I've learned over the years there are two sides to every story. The kid obviously has problems and my guess is that the whole family does too.

[Bad Finger]

If it were my neighbors, I guess I'd mind my own business. If it were my dog and the neighbor doing the shooting....well, that would be different story.

[fred]

i love hunting dogs and anybody that would shoot our hurt a dog we should not be talking about god will get him,or here

[fishandhunt1]

Hey Jimmy the guest user you say cockerspaniels are bad dogs how do youn figure??????? A dog is only as smart as its owner, are you trying to tell us something??? As for this son that shot his mothers dog he has to have major problems. I would say take one of his gopher traps put his YOU KNOW WHAT in it and let the trap go off. Leve him there for a couple of hours and see how he likes it!!!!!!!! That is what I would do BEFORE I got mad!!!!!!!! Press charges to the max would be the humane thing son or not. Just my opinion!!!!!!Larry

[BlackSilver]

did this happen during some activity related to walleye?

If not, why would we care to discuss it here?

SET the hook!!!

Hans/MN

[swede]

I'd like to hear the sons side of the story before making an opinion.

1st the son is obviously of age as he hunts and fishes. Possibly a humane and good person in general.
2- the dog might have been a mutt and untrainable to mind; kills chickens, cats and other bad traits. Maybe vicious,too, to children or him or others.

Can't make a decision or even an opinion on this story.

[Skeeter]

I agree with the guys saying it is inexcusable 100%. The guy should have to do community service at the dog pound all summer! His guns should be taken away. He for sure has a head problem.

[Heye5]

Sounds like that young man could use a good long time-out! I'd not do anything to stifle his creativity. (Just kidding)
HEYE5

[REW]

The reason that I brought this up - was this fellow was a walleye fisherman - who lived in his own house, and had his own dogs.
He was over at his mothers house one - day - and taking care of some gophers for his mother. Her dog, was bothering his traps - so without asking for permission - or telling any one - shot the dog.

The real question that I am asking - should the person be charged - and put in jail for doing this act?

I would hope that we don't have any other walleye fisherman who read this board, would ever consider such an act.

Thanks for listening.

REW

[Lund AnglerMJ]

Time out!!! This kid has issues;really big issues. Would anyone of you have done this to your family dog?My dad would have given me some time out;TIME OUT IN A SINKING BOAT.If this is a story that the boy did kill a dog,there's no excuse for that.Period.Send him to my house.I've got some time for the little Terrorist.

[TeaDrinker]

A dog that kills cats is an asset not a liablity!!!!!!

[Cat Owner]

TeaDrinker....You must be related to the kid who shot the dog with a comment like that.

[Ristorapper]

It is sad to say that people who hurt (or miss treat) animals also end up hurting people. We have all heard of this before and this kid needs help.

[WAeyes]

Thats quite a response Jimmy. I hope you are just kidding because that reply has absolutely no merit. Incredible anyone can think like this. Bad dogs or not...a gun shot was not warranted for that reason.

[Mahumba]

#1 This guy has no feelings for anyone or anything. He proved it by shooting the dog (no apparent reason from info in the post) or for his mother. (reaction she would have for her loss)

#2 Anyone can set a trap (Gopher). This does not mean that they are a hunter.

Every Cocker Spaniel I have ever seen chased down squirrels and gophers so the problem must have been really bad or the dog sick or old.

This guys should be fined/jailed. Or better yet 500 hours of community service as public pooper scooper guy.

Roger Mayer.

[freezegopher]

REW, i think it is a good idea to kill dogs that bother a mans gopher traps. john belushi would have said the same thing. kill the dog and ask for forgiveness later. just my thoughts.

[Duh....]

Yea, and just hope one of his school buddies doesn't piss him off. Or hope to heck a girl doesn't break his heart. If he goes off over a few rodents, who's to say what he wouldn't do?


Aghhh

[Wile E]

GOOD ANSWER, Wile E

[frosty]

You actually listen to talk shows???? Are you saying that you believe what you hear on a talk show???? Scumbags host talkshows and more scumbags are their so called guests. You are the one who has head problems.

[Thumper]

Its been a long winter people but fishings almost here. Hang in there. Did my early season work on the boat on the weekend. WOW what a pick me up. Did another coat of wax on the main outboard and mounted the new kicker. Had a beer with the neighbour and shared some stories. Lets move on.

[sportingdogsonly]

this is a great idea. no moe worthless dogs laying around doing nothin. if they aint working dogs, we shoot em. yup...

[Smartypants]

Yea, yea, thats it. And when all the worthless dogs are thinned out, we can start on worthless people.....you are first.

[Stump]

Is anybody actually reading this???The kid is not a kid...He is not in school anymore,he has his own house and his own dogs.He is just some degenerate who ventilated the dog for screwing with his traps.Dont get me wrong...I dont think it was the right thing to do by any means,but if this had been a wolf...coyote or coon messing with the traps...3/4 of you guys would have filled it full of lead and posted it to laugh about it over a beer.
Stump

[Rod Holder]

No matter if the dog was a cur, it belonged to the mother and why would anyone shoot an animal that belongs to someone else without conferring with the owner unless the owner was not keeping the dog at home? Was the guy trying to set up traps at the mother's property where the dog was at home? If so, he should have just told his mother there was no way he could trap the gophers with her dog messing with them and left her dog and the gophers to the mother to worry about. Time to fish, people. I think that if the mother took her dog to the son's property, she and her dog still deserve an invitation to leave. Under nearly all scenarios, this guy is still a few shot short of a full load. Sorry.

[Rod Holder]

Sounds like a great piolet for one of those cable tv sitcoms.

[JohnF]

Wow. This was probably one of the best polls I've seen here in awhile.

I always find it interesting how the uninformed masses react. You all might not like this, but it appeared to me that a few of you had a PETA moment...

I don't know the real story. I do know that for this to be a good subject for a talk radio show, it must be sensational. If it weren't, the phones wouldn't ring. I guess it got us to respond too!

Maybe through some twist, shooting the dog was the humane thing to do.

Good thing we have a court system. Some of you out there would hang that guy. Shame on you.

I wonder if the guy was tricked into confessing by some cop.

John

(OK, that last comment was just a little referential humor not really intended to invoke any heated debate. Check -> DNR and Son...)

[Walleye Wacker]

I find it interesting that this SON is allegedly an avid Hunter and Fisherman. It would probably be very enlighting to find out how he treats the rest of the outdoors. Im sure he has never poached a animal or taken more fish then his limit or shot anything by the light of a flashlight or fried up a Bass off of a spawning bed. Yes,Im sure that shooting his Mothers Dog is the first time he ever did anything that someone should kick the #### out of him for. The world takes all kinds its unfortunate that someone thinks this moron is a AVID HUNTER AND FISHERMAN.

[Eyecrosser]

I think someone should dig a hole for him!!

[eyedoktr]

I've been reading these posts and find them very interesting. I agree that with the facts that we have been presented,what the son did was not correct. I will add though that if I am out deer hunting and I see a dog chasing down a deer, I shoot the dog first, then the deer. I don't care who the dog belongs to.

[Miffed]

I like to go for a walk in the woods with my dogs. It is not uncommon for them to scare up a deer and take chase. I try to avoid the woods during hunting season, for my own protection if nothing else. However, my dogs don't know when hunting season begins and ends. I keep a close eye on them and don't let them run. However, if a dog sees a deer, he's going to chase it. There are property owners with well loved pets near woods all over this country.

I hope you are the only person who thinks like this. If it were up to me, you wouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

[Big Nick]

Hey eyedktr, you sound like somone straight out of the movie Deliverance, do you then go and make the dead dog squeel like a pig??

[stewart]

Hello Miffed,

Game wardens in Quebec will shoot dogs if they are seen chasing deer. In the winter a hard chase may kill a deer. It is up to dog owners to train their dog not to chase them.Take care.

[Miffed]

If the owner is running behind the dogs yelling at them, will they shoot the owner too?

I understand this problem and I understand not every dog owner is mature and responsible. I think game wardens can do this in cases of dogs running loose - especially in packs. Semi-wild dog packs can be a menace to farmers and ranchers too. However, I'm guessing the good folks in Quebec are not gunning down airdales and scotties wearing collars.

If so, I'll just consider that another reason not to go to Quebec.

[stewart]

>If the owner is running behind the dogs yelling at them, will they >shoot the owner too?

I doubt it ;).

>I understand this problem and I understand not every dog >owner is mature and responsible. I think game wardens can do >this in cases of dogs running loose - especially in packs. >Semi-wild dog packs can be a menace to farmers and >ranchers too. However, I'm guessing the good folks in Quebec >are not gunning down airdales and scotties wearing collars.

I understand your point of view, and I would be miffed too if someone shot my pet. No insult intended in any way on my part.

Yes semi-wild dogs are a problem, but dogs that are pets cause problems too. Collar or no collar a dog shouldn't be chasing deer. It isn't so much that they kill them outright, but that there can be significant delayed mortality caused by winter time chasing of any kind(inc. snowmobiles).

I understand your point that since your with them the chase won't be as long.

However,your original statement seemed to say that dogs are going to be dogs, so nothing can be done, but that simply isn't true. Train your dog and the problem ends. Check back issues of Outdoor Life for specific techniques to break them from this bad habit.

[Tom Moe]

I don't recall seeing the age of this perpetrator, which would be an important factor here, but this person appears to have some serious problems. He doesn't value life. He doesn't respect the fact that it wasn't his pet. He did not consider his mother's feelings. He did not consider the value of the animal. He did not, apparently, consider that killing the animal was permanent. He appears to be amoral, apathetic, indifferent, and immature. He doesn't belong in the presence of sportspeople who respect animals and life. Worse, yet, is the possibility that he has deeper issues hiding somewhere that may be a result of physical abuse, child sexual assault victimization, or abandonment issues. This person should get into some counseling pronto! Criminal prosecution should be considered as well as a lengthy period of supervision. I've been a state probation and parole agent for 11 years and, believe me, this is no laughing matter.

Tom Moe

[eyedoktr]

No, I'm not out of Deliverence. I have owned dogs and lived where deer are in my back yard. With a bit of work and patience, ANY dog can (and should) be trained not to chase deer. My last lab would pheasant hunt, duck hunt, and even chase squirrels, but would not chase deer. I trained him that when a deer was near, to sit and wait for my command. I encourage every dog owner to do the same. To say dogs will be dogs is a foolish statement. Oh yeah, no, if you're chasing your dog, I won't shoot you or the dog. It's the irresponsible owners who just let their dogs run without regard. I have talked to the DEC in NY and they said they would not press charges against someone who shoots a dog chasing down deer.

[Mike t]

get rid of this post enough is enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Miffed]

OK. I'm feeling a little better now after reading your post as well as eyedoktr's. I think we had two different images of a situation. I was picturing me WITH my dogs or a deer startling a dog and the dog giving chase for 50 yards, max - with eyedoktr in a tree stand thinking "here's my chance to take out a poodle."

All the dogs I'm immediately familiar with (friends and family pets) are trained to stay on the yard and do not take off over hill and valley to go after a deer.

Meanwhile, I think you (and eyedoktr, I hope) were picturing one of those semi-wild dog packs wearing out a deer, or an unwatched/untrained pet going on a lengthy deer chase.

Like I said, I'm familiar with the problems domestic pets and semi-wild domestic animals can cause for wildlife. Just ask your local bird population what they think of all the wild cats roaming the countryside.

[Garfield]

Hey....Time out mister.

[Eyecrosser]

Hey "Big Nick". It sounds like YOU are the guy who wants to squeel! Why don't you take that crap to the muskie board and leave the rest of us alone.