Genatron

[Eye Hunter]

anyone use a Genatron and what are they worth $ ? any info would help


thank you

[LWinches]

Here is a link that might give you some info.

http://www.walleyecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151251&highlight=genetron

They are great units, perhaps the best for finding fish especially in water 50' or less.

What are they worth? I guess it depends on how important it is to you to find fish. Is Humminbird sideimaging worth what it costs or Lowrance HDS worth what it costs? If they are then the Genetron will be worth what it costs!!!

Try searching this site for Genetron. You'll find plenty of reading

[VernH]

has anyone used a genatron I just sold my lund to buy a 620 with 113's and a genatron I have never used one and would like any info that would help

thank's
Jeff

From a post of yours back in Jan 2009, it appears that you got one when you bought your boat.

Are you looking for a price to sell it or buy another one?

[iopner]

Don't Waste Your Time!

[Eye Hunter]

looking to sell

[LWinches]

From a post of yours back in Jan 2009, it appears that you got one when you bought your boat.

Are you looking for a price to sell it or buy another one?

Actually neither. Mine seems to work well but I don't have any use for two. Of course with all the new stuff hitting the market it's possible that some could show up on ebay or Craigs at a bargain. I have several brands and use 4 or more at a time. In the spring when our walleye go back shallow for 3-4 months I'll put it back on the boat. I do want to replace the Genetron with something more compact but I've not found anything that will perform as well.

There should be something out there that would equal or surpass it but I've just not found it. The specification for its wide cone is 38 degrees. The 83Khz 60 degree cone on Hbird is not equal to the Genetron. I've tested that sufficiently. The wide cone on Eagle and Lowrance I've used do not equal it either. The HDS 83 Khz is advertized at 120 degrees but my use of it confirmed it was a wide cone but I never did a head to head test between it and the Genetron as the HDS malfunctioned before I could make a fair comparison. My subjective opinion is that the Genetron does a better job. This next year I also want to add sideimaging. I had high hopes for the HDS particularly since they offer structure scan. I anticipated that HDS would provide me with the replacement of the Genetron and also the added functionality of sideimaging in one unit. It is a real challenge to find somewhere to situate all the electronics and transducers.

I understand the skepticism of folks reading this thinking that it's a buildup of something that then gets offered for sale. That's not the situation. It is my objective to replace the Genetron. I do not like the bulky obtrusive size of the unit and I prefer a color sonar. I'm sure I will replace it but when I do depends on me finding something that outperforms it or the one I have dies. I cannot recommend to anyone that they run out a buy a Genetron from me or anyone else. It may be next to impossible to get one repaired. This is another motivation for me to find a replacement. In the meantime there are all kinds of units out there that perform well and will help you catch fish. Vexilar, Hbird and Lowrance all have products deserving of consideration. Any of them are capabable of making a unit that would outperform the Genetron. All it would take would be a wide enough cone on the transducer and improved sensitivity. I do not think they have done it yet. If someone has, please tell me. That's want I want and most likely that is what the person wants who started this column.


I've experimented with the Airmar 200Khz P48W and customized it to work with my Hbird 777c2. It is rated at 38 degrees -3db. This spring I'll compare it head to head with the Genetron. Having used it I feel like I already know the outcome. I predict it will not match the Gtron. I wish it would. It would be a cheap alternative.

[Catch'nRelease]

Why did they stop making and selling the Genetron if it was such a superior performer, especially compared to other units back then?

[VernH]

Actually neither. Mine seems to work well but I don't have any use for two. Of course with all the new stuff hitting the market it's possible that some could show up on ebay or Craigs at a bargain. I have several brands and use 4 or more at a time. In the spring when our walleye go back shallow for 3-4 months I'll put it back on the boat. I do want to replace the Genetron with something more compact but I've not found anything that will perform as well.
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I've experimented with the Airmar 200Khz P48W and customized it to work with my Hbird 777c2. It is rated at 38 degrees -3db. This spring I'll compare it head to head with the Genetron. Having used it I feel like I already know the outcome. I predict it will not match the Gtron. I wish it would. It would be a cheap alternative.


LWinches...I didn't think it was you who was getting rid of your Genetron. Your post ended up before mine in the sequence and maybe you thought I was asking you the question.

I was responding to (and included) a post that Eye Hunter posted back in January that the boat he'd just purchased had a Genetron on it and at that time he was looking for user info.

Since he was now asking for price info and it appeared that he already had a unit I thought maybe he was now interested in selling. The price for selling and buying (bid..ask) are often different. Knowing which info he is interested in can help those who are willing to provide price info.

Sorry for the confusion.

Leonard, are you still fishing? We're getting a dusting of snow today. Highs are in the low 20's so hard water is effectively here. Time to fire up the auger.

Vern

[Btfrk]

looking to sell
I am selling my spare on the swap board and a sale is pending. Sandi is looking for one to replace her husbands, you may want to PM her or call her if you are selling. Just trying to help out a potential seller and purchaser.

[LWinches]

Why did they stop making and selling the Genetron if it was such a superior performer, especially compared to other units back then?

I do not know the answer to this question but I'll be presumptious based on my experience. Bang for the buck. Humminbird offers a lot of fish finder capability for very little money. A $200 565 200/83Khz unit is very functional. Color units abound from Hbird and Eagle under $600.00. Again very functional and productive units. When you get into the $2,500 cost range you can buy Hbird sideimaging or Lowrance HDS structure scan, increased functionality, with GPS, both coming with a warranty and even after warranty repair for years.

From what I understand a Genetron used on a regular basis would ordinarily have to be returned every year or so to be "retuned". Combining these, bang for the buck, how good inexpensive units perform, on-going costs of operation mean you have to pay a lot for the difference and you wouldn't have GPS or sideimaging.

I didn't buy the one I have because of the superior performance I have seen from it, which I attribute to the wide angle of the transducer cone along with a technical superiority in the electronics of the sensitivity implementation. I bought it because so many talked about using it to see fish that were flat on the bottom. My tests did not confirm that claim. I did not find that the Genetron was any better than any other unit for seeing bottom hugging fish. In fact the Vexilar was better, not so much because it was a Vexilar but because of the 10 degree cone. I would expect a Lowrance with an 8 degree cone to do better than that, but I didn't test one.

Just my 2 cents worth. Your 2 cents may be worth more than mine.

[LWinches]

No problem. The confusion was mine. Yes, I'm still fishing about 5 days a week. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I've already passed 250 trips for the year. It has been an unusual year. The walleye now are in about 80 feet of water. Last year it was 100 and the year before 150. I don't know why except that they follow the shad. Anyway that's great for me as I most enjoy fishing from 75-85 feet deep.

[Catch'nRelease]

I do not know the answer to this question but I'll be presumptious based on my experience. Bang for the buck. Humminbird offers a lot of fish finder capability for very little money. A $200 565 200/83Khz unit is very functional. Color units abound from Hbird and Eagle under $600.00. Again very functional and productive units. When you get into the $2,500 cost range you can buy Hbird sideimaging or Lowrance HDS structure scan, increased functionality, with GPS, both coming with a warranty and even after warranty repair for years.

From what I understand a Genetron used on a regular basis would ordinarily have to be returned every year or so to be "retuned". Combining these, bang for the buck, how good inexpensive units perform, on-going costs of operation mean you have to pay a lot for the difference and you wouldn't have GPS or sideimaging.

I didn't buy the one I have because of the superior performance I have seen from it, which I attribute to the wide angle of the transducer cone along with a technical superiority in the electronics of the sensitivity implementation. I bought it because so many talked about using it to see fish that were flat on the bottom. My tests did not confirm that claim. I did not find that the Genetron was any better than any other unit for seeing bottom hugging fish. In fact the Vexilar was better, not so much because it was a Vexilar but because of the 10 degree cone. I would expect a Lowrance with an 8 degree cone to do better than that, but I didn't test one.

Just my 2 cents worth. Your 2 cents may be worth more than mine.

If it really cost around 2500 bucks without any GPS capability, then that explains it right there. For the very limited market, able and willing to pay that much for sonar only, the Genatron would have to be head and shoulders above the competition.