View Full Version : Will Jesse be missed???
Fuzzy
06-19-2002, 02:13 PM
Are you Minnesotans pleased to displeased with Ventura as Govenor?
As an outsider it seemed like he was shaking things up a bit - for the better.
eyeamdaman
06-19-2002, 02:22 PM
He is ok. I think the younger people like him...but the older crowd (more conservative) tend to think he is a bit crazy. The one thing I like about him is his brutal honesty. He will definately speak his mind.
That's just my opinion..
mmillelacs
06-19-2002, 02:28 PM
i say good riddance. his appointment of Alan Garber as DNR commish was bad news for minnesota fishermen from day one. And his i don't care if it doesn't affect me attitude really chaps my hide. Hopefully our next gov. will care a little about things that are of concern to all minnesotans. I guess if you own a jet ski he was an ok govenor..just my opinion
curt quesnell
06-19-2002, 02:38 PM
I voted for Jesse and probably would again. I think he did somethings
very well and dropped the ball a bit on some other things.
I listened to his Friday show almost every week. I loved the fact
that the Governor had a chance to answer the critics each
week. He tended to go on for too long during his retorts, long after
the point was well made.
Mostly I realized you dont want to talk politics
unless you are ready to argue.
I wish Jesse well, and havent a clue about who our next Governor
should be.
Curt Quesnell
Gilligan
06-19-2002, 03:08 PM
We will GLADLY send you Hilary from Arkansas..er New York that is! Shucks, we will even throw Bill in!
Keith_MN
06-19-2002, 03:26 PM
I liked what Jesse stands for. He is fiscally conservative (less taxes) and morally liberal (less government interference in our lives). But Jesse is often his own worse enemy.
I think he was good for the state in that he proved that you don't have to be a life long politician to be governor. Hopefully others will learn from his experience and continue to give us viable alternatives to the party-line 'YES' men that we tend to get from the republicans and democrats.
Fishtail
06-19-2002, 03:36 PM
It seems that everytime I vote for a politician that wins they turn into a Buffoon! He was an imbarrassment to the state of Minnesota! Oh and you can keep Bill and Hillary, I think they are worse. Atlest Jessie hasn't sole the sliverware from the the Governors Mansion, yet! He just shut it down instead.
Fishtail
Jesse was good for the state because he proved you don't have to be a life long politician to be governor? What? How is that good for the state? Jesse has thinner skin than a walleye. He tries to dish it out but he certainly can't take it. Jesse says he answered his critics by making himself available every Friday on the radio. That is... until one day a caller took him to task and he got upset and a tv camera caught his antics. Then he decided not to take any more calls. Later, he decided to take calls but they were heavily screened. Anyone criticizing him was not allowed on with him. For those who voted for him, what did Jesse do for you? Rebates? That was thanks to Arne Carlson and the strong economy before Jesse was even elected. Lower property taxes? Yes, but he gave less to suburban cities than anyone else. Therefore each city had to raise taxes to compensate for the shortfall. License plate tabs? I'll give you that. Jesse saved me $100 a year on license plate tabs, but in the end it costs me more because of the property taxes. Seriously, what did Jesse do for you that makes your life better? I'd like to know.
Backwater Eddy
06-19-2002, 03:45 PM
A no BS guy and NOT a career politician, ya I will miss that for sure!
Now MN can get back to big money politics and listen to hours of what he said she said to try to figure out what the “Gov” said or meant to say but always keeping in mind the plausible denial factor.
Clear as mud policies, big buck lobbyist, ah...yes...government at it’s very best. Yes the good old days will soon return along with big bucks from private interests flowing like the Mississippi’s waters.
We need more people who are not career politician to step up to serve in state government, colorful or not, just Americans willing to serve.
Backwater Eddy.....><sUMo>
rock2me
06-19-2002, 04:12 PM
Fiscally conservative? He said he was but his actions say the opposite. Who proposed even more taxes than the democrats? Jesse. Who supported a billion dollar light rail line (with Ventura village), oh yeah, Jesse. Who did not give back even half the rebate that he promised, Jesse.......
Morally liberal (less government). What? An oxymoron. You cannot raise the cost of government like he did and say that you are a supporter of less government.
I will say that he was fresh blood but to say that he did not follow the democrat party line, is stretching it.
Who's next Moe? A socialist in every way. If he is elected I will pull an Alec Baldwin and leave the state. ;)
Pawlenty? Isn't he twelve? He is the better candidate but not by much.
Minnesota is so wacked - look at Dayton and Wellstone. Minnesota is so out of touch with personal responsibility - we as a state are only a few years away from being left of San Franciso,CA.
I'm sad now, so I'll shut up and go fish.
Good Luck
starcraftguy
06-19-2002, 05:04 PM
Jesse Missed?? good question...The man did some good things but I as a sportsman feel betrayed. No I never hunted man but his choice for The DNR Commishners job was a joke. The Conservation officers even have problems with him. Are you aware of his "forestry plans". And I won't even go into the Mille lacs situation.
Jesse did some good things. License tabs. tax reformss. But I will always remember him for how he set back fishing in this state by at least 4 years
Still_a_jesse_fan
06-19-2002, 05:23 PM
I will miss him! He has made a few mistakes but every politician does. The others just don't let it all hang out like Jesse. I get sick and tired of the press (especially KQRS) beating up on him.
rickn
06-19-2002, 05:27 PM
I think one thing good from jesse is that the life long career polititions maybe were sent a lesson in that the people DO control the power of voting, and that john q public needs to be heard, they can elect a "nobody", if they don't see anything better to vote for. I hope some good will come of it, I have enjoyed reading some of Jesse's quotes, NO-ONE can put their foot in their mouth like he could!
Hawg Tracker
06-19-2002, 07:14 PM
Y'know, I vote in every election. I have to admit that because of the gun control whackos' and the Peta/ Democrat connections encroaching on my fishing rights....I tend to vote along strict moral and financial conservative lines. I have discovered that some of the most righteous upstanding politicians are immediately corrupted by that power. We had a Republican governor in Illinois who was (in my humble opinion) the best leader I have ever known, Jim Edgar. He was fair, honest and very conservative. His Secretary of State George Ryan was as dirty as they come...he ran...I voted Democratic. I gloat in the fact that I was right in voting against him. I think the same thing happened to Jesse. He was (and is) a buffoon, but he was elected with that being very visible. He was a one-trick-pony....what you saw was what you got, a thin-skinned inept bufoon...no more no less. All he knew how to do was shoot off his big mouth and pretend to slam people to the mat. When he got into the ring with people who could hurt you...he ran. Just my out of state observation.
When Jesse takes his trip down the Mississippi I hope he keeps right on going and doesn't come back. Will not miss him. Glad he's gone!
water_wolf
06-20-2002, 03:43 AM
I'll second that Fred. Please anyone take Hillary....ANYONE!
Rich Ferguson
Gerry
06-20-2002, 05:54 AM
He is a spin off of the world mentality of Vince McMahon types. He's a lot of hype, then serve theyself. He was for less government by talk, but he wanted to pay his wife for all the things she had to do as Gov's wife. He might not have been a lifelong politician, but he used his position to make it other places, while in office. That s a gripe usually saved for a lifelong politician. He also tried to put buddies in offices. Jesse did the radio, did the XFL and all that other BS that most likely he'd never gotten to that extent, except he was a loudmouth governor. He's a lot of talk, little action and a whole lot of wind. Sianara oh chemically puffed one.
Robert J
06-20-2002, 06:21 AM
I live about a mile from Jesse's house. I voted for him and was very excited to have him win the election. Once he got in office though it became clear that he was more concerned with spending time lining his own pockets and running his personal public relations campaign than being the Governor of our state.
Jesse is very thin-skinned and would lash out at anyone who dare question his sometimes bizarre behavior or comments. He often made a fool out of himself by saying something stupid one day and then recanting it the next.
He did prove that a non-career polititian does have a chance. He dramatically lowered our auto license tab fees and refunded some tax money back to the tax payers.
Unfortunately he will be remembered more for his tirades with the media and his extrememly combative nature then anything that he did for the State of Minnesota.
Bye Jess...
WileyWalleye
06-20-2002, 06:29 AM
Gilligan and Water-Wolf,
AH FEEEEAAALL YOUUUUUUURRRRRR PAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYNNNNNNNN!
But, I live in Wisconsin. I don't want that pair of jackals anywhere near my state. Can we ship you some walleye fingerlings in exchange for keeping them both in New York?????
We will even throw in some Muskie fry, 100 pounds of Lakeland Cheese, and 100 cases of Miller beer. Ok, we are willing to double the cheese and beer and throw in a truckload of cranberries too. Come on, here, guys, give us a break.
AquaMan
06-20-2002, 07:09 AM
Curt, out of curiosity, name something Jesse accomplished by himself for the benefit of MN. All the tax relief and License tab reduction were a result of Arne Carlson's excellent handle on State finance/budget controls and were in the works before Jesse even thought about running. Very little, if anything, was accomplished during Jesse's term. In fact, he did more to mire the system in the mud as a result of his "big stick" tactics. Unable to get what he wanted ,some of which I DID agree with, he began a campaign to make everyone as miserable as possible.
No. Jesse will not be missed. Take your ball and go home. We need to get back to the business of getting the State back on budget and organize the Capital so that the people can get more of what they need. A more accurate Government. Not more, not bigger, not less efficient and certainly cheaper. The DNR is just one small area that needs to be cleaned up. How many of you watched as tobacco settlement money flew out of the General Fund for everything other then what it was intended? Heck, more of it went to the Light Rail project. Still no insurance funded smoking cessation program in place and it has been 2 years. blah, blah, blah....off the box.
AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just add water
Walleye One
06-20-2002, 08:19 AM
Starcraft Guy
How do you figure Jesse set back fishing in MN 4 years?
Please keep in mind that Minnesotans did not really "elect" him. He only got 37% of the vote. The problem was that the other two clowns were so bad that they got even fewer votes. But I believe that if either one of them (Coleman or Humphrey) would have run alone against Jesse, they would have won. I believe that many of the 37% that voted for Jesse just didn't like the mainstream candidates. I don't believe that Jesse thought that he had a chance of winning, or that he even wanted to win. He just ran for the publicity and seemed completely dumbfounded when the election ended in his favor.
As for his performance, I do not allow my kids to behave like him. I don't even expect my nine-year-old to be as childish as the Governor. In terms of getting things done, it didn't happen. Luckily the economy was good during most of his tenure in office. He won't be missed, at least by me.
But, I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind again and decided to run. And with the two existing candidates, he probably has another good chance of getting 37% of the vote.
Roy
AquaEye
06-20-2002, 10:28 AM
With the existing "two candidates" I would still contribute to Jesse's 37%. If for no other reason than to send the media,the lobbyists and the career politicians packing. The other two major parties have their fair share of buffoons vieing for Jesse's job. Many of them have used the past four years to campaign rather than do the job they were originally elected by us to do. I'm sick of it. I would have to say that I'll miss the "First Lady" the most.
rock2me
06-20-2002, 11:01 AM
Aquaman,
You didn't actually think the tobacco money was going to be used as they said, did you? It was all about the money. It had NOTHING to do with "caring" for smokers or to prevent new smokers. It was definitly a case of judicial activism at it's finest.
Look at all the states that have already sold their tobacco settlement for pennies on the dollar. What are they using the money for? General Fund spending increases. What will they do when that money is gone? Raise taxes.
All taxpayers should be happy every time someone lights up. Think of the taxes on that pack of smokes. Think how much that saves you in taxes. Smokers are paying a greater share of the taxes, than I am. I say, "Keep smokin', it saves me money" ;) (Although, I don't want my kids or family members to smoke.:+ )
These legistlators and judges need to come clean and outlaw tobacco if they really mean it. The evidence and testimony that was used to win the tobacco lawsuit could be used on many products right now.
Does Starbucks manipulate the addictive caffeine level in it's coffee? Sure they do.
Does Pepperidge Farm use a lot of fat in their pound cake? Sure they do. People crave fat and the more fat you eat the heavier you get. That extra weight causes you to do less and you end up with Heart disease.
How about all those Fat-Free products that were out a few years ago. They are now gone. Those manufacturers KNOW that they are better for you. They should have discontinued their high-fat high calorie products and only sold the Fat-Free ones. They are killing our kids. If it saved just one kid, it would be worth it........
Sorry to ramble...
Good Luck
bbakes
06-20-2002, 12:17 PM
Doesn't hunt?
Doesn't belong here!
Chris
06-20-2002, 03:45 PM
Huh? I don't hunt either,...I'm (proudly) a fisherman. If you want to hunt fine. It not for me.
Fishnfuul
06-20-2002, 04:53 PM
I'm afraid we're ALL gonna see Hillary again...as President! Now THAT is a scary thought!
Jim Tunney
06-20-2002, 05:17 PM
><<<<*> Looneytunes
It is a shame if he was right and the media ran him off. These people have no shame, all they do is dig up the bad, on him or his family. You have to give him credit, he said what he felt, but unfortunately all people want is lip service. I agree with Gillian and my next email is to Hilery Clinton, She would make a great Govenor, and tell you all you want to hear, and the good news is you get big Bill for free.
It goes to show you, take a noncareer politician and they can't make it, people can't stand the truth.
><<<<*> Looneytunes
><<<<*> Looneytunes
SWeed
06-20-2002, 05:42 PM
Will trade our Iowa Governor Vilsack for Jesse anyday....In fact Vilsack will be looking for a new job after the next election..(HOPEFULLY)
Tom P
06-20-2002, 08:20 PM
Jesse was just as shocked as the world was when he "shocked the world" and won. Jesse was there only for himself and to ruffle some feathers. I voted for the idiot ( what does that make me?) He was good for some feather ruffling and some media jabbing. THEY said he would wreck Minnesota. We found out that one man can not wreak a state in 4 years. ( thank God) Rock2me and Aquaman posts were on the money, couldn't say it any better. Hope MO doesn't win he could be the one man that could make use the highest taxed state. Colman was a liberal/moderate DFLer then became a GOP guy because he could not win in Minnesota as a DFLer because he was not a socialist like MOST of this states DFLers are. I don't care for the 2 guy we have in Washington now .Wellstone and Dayton. I think it is best to have a split there. One DFL and one GOP. We now have 2 far left socailist ,we need more balance so VOTE WELLSTONE OUT OF OFFICE!! Then we will have one far left socialist and one( Coleman) liberal GOP I can't wait to hear how far far right Coleman is going to be portrayed in the press, another Jesse Hellmes. When in turn he is nothing more then a liberal republican . Just like G W Bush Remember G W Bush is going to starve your kids at school, poison your water ( that was just in the news) cut every tree down , KILL ALL OF THE WALLEYES! (except in his lake on his ranch) drill for oil and spill it all over Alaska, defund schools ( what are we at now $30,000 dollars per student per year K-12 and we still are getting kids that spell like me and have bad grammer like me too! We are not funding our schools enough let's make it $40,000 a year per child ,no that is not enough! But it is for the kids. I have to go now the nurse is here with her medicine cart. ;)
Islander
06-20-2002, 10:33 PM
I wish he would run for Gov. in Wisconsin, Talk about taxes, We are
just about taxed to death being on of the worst states for taxation according to some of the magazines I've read. We have three buffoons
running for Gov. now, could just as well be four. To bad that you can't mark none of the above on your ballot. If anybody can come up with a reason to vote for any of these three, Please pass it along, So I can make a decision come November. It's not looking very good to me right now!!
EYESCHOOL
06-21-2002, 12:35 AM
Really, it doesn't matter anymore, does it? Jesse ran for office and we voted him in. Now he'll be out and someone else can screw things up! No matter who runs for office, they will never be good enough to satisfy everyones needs! There will always be something to complain about this person or that person. Jesse wasn't any better or any worse, than any other Governor that sat in the Minnesota high chair. I'll bet anyone a million we'll complain about the next crook, I mean Governor! :-)
You touched on a major problem I have and that is education spending. We spend Cadillac dollars on education and get YUGO results. Yet, every year, the Teachers, administratiors etc cry for more money. That's what you get with a monopoly. Piss poor results, high costs. Even if it's just in the public realm, it's time to open up the market with vouchers. We are spending more bucks per child than anyone. It's time the taxpayers got results.
Jesse "the joke" Ventura
06-21-2002, 06:45 AM
It's no wonder my elevator doesn't go to the top floor. You know how many times I've been body slammed, and had some fat guy jump on my head? Of course I've done and said some stupid things. What can you expect? I have almost no educashun, and I've managed to make Minnesota a laughing stock since they elected me. I'm off to buy a new Ranger since my new career is going to be fishing the RCL. I have two sponsors: rogain and viagra. Wish me luck.
Backwater Eddy
06-21-2002, 07:57 AM
Ya know, it's a felony to impersonate a government official?
Plus, darn stupid to pissoff a Navy Seal!
;)
Backwater Eddy.....><sUMo>
Chris
06-21-2002, 11:48 AM
You know after reading this, Jesse STILL sounds better than our politicians in Massachusetts. Thank you, (the rest of the nation) for funding the 20 billion in the Boston's "big dig" production. You've made many people very rich,and it ain't over yet. (we WILL have a nice road going to the airport though.....)
The Great Guide
06-21-2002, 12:07 PM
Now we will go from the Broken Wing to the Right Wing. Where is Bill Clinton when you need him?
TGG
STARCRAFTGUY
06-21-2002, 02:13 PM
please see Dennis Andersons column today inthe Star Tribune. it echos my sediments on why fishing was set back!!
guide7
06-21-2002, 05:00 PM
I just wish all the posts listed here that say it doesn't matter would be a little more open minded to what they really want and vote that way. It is funny how republicans are "Right Wingers" and democrats are not "Left Wingers". Look at lefty Wellstone and tell me there isn't something wrong there. There is a right and wrong side (and a goofy guy like Jesse). This is a sportsman's site and I don't know too many democrats that want you to keep all of your hunting and gathering rights intact. They thrive on more rules and tighter restrictions on our freedoms. Jesse thrived on Jesse and that's it. The guy thinks a light rail line would benefit "ALL" of Minnesotans. Given the choice, I know I would use a stadium before the train to nowhere. Please vote republican and not left wing. If we would rule you may see significant improvements in the state.
Good Luck 7 out
Paul H
06-21-2002, 05:08 PM
Who's Jesse ???
LOL
algore
06-21-2002, 07:22 PM
I don't know but he said Monica was all mine if I won the election....gosh dang Dubya anyway.
curt quesnell
06-22-2002, 04:34 AM
Aquaman,
Mostly I learned NOT to talk politics.........
Curt Quesnell
Everybody has a right to their opinion, but it really suprises me that any hunter or fisherperson would vote for Jesse again after the Garber era of the DNR. For what MN needed for natural resources, this was a waste of four years.
Jesse was a complete embarassment for the most part. He proved he had no right being our Governor. For a while there, it was a weekly thing to complete make an ##### out of himself.
He pretty much admitted on his radio show last Friday that he likes making people mad and if he did that, it was all worth it. With that attitude, it's no suprise, he didn't get many results.
It's really too bad it was all about him and making a point, because he had a chance to prove there could be a different way to lead the State.
steve dover
06-22-2002, 09:28 AM
as a gov he made a great wrestler.
Fish_on
06-22-2002, 09:47 AM
I think you might be overreacting a touch, Ed. If it was a felony to impersonate a goverment official, most comedians would be in prison. I thought the post was funny and not in poor taste. I don't care for the self-serving buffoon, but you are certainly free to disagree.