Shotgun For Defense

[mac]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/01/a-weeks-worth-of-self-defense.php

Buy a pistol, get a permit, practice at the range. When someone breaks in, nothing beats a shotgun

[rebs]

A S&W police issue riot gun, 12 gauge, short barrel, 9 shot loaded with 00 buckshot will do the job.

[Morton]

Just be sure they get into the house far enough so that they land inside ... or drag "em back in.

Fleeing is still the best option IMHO but plan "B" should be in place.

SD is one of the states that has a "castle" law on the books.

Morton

[Hawker]

Just be sure they get into the house far enough so that they land inside ... or drag "em back in.

Fleeing is still the best option IMHO but plan "B" should be in place.

SD is one of the states that has a "castle" law on the books.

Morton

I guess each state that have "Castle Laws" in effect differ somewhat in determining at what point you (the potential victim) are allowed to utilize "deadly force"! Oklahoma redefined the Castle / Make My Day Law this past Nov 21, 2011 to include business and employees of business!

"Effective today (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=12pl34jme/EXP=1327065107/**http%3A//www.newson6.com/story/15902549/businesses-protected-under-new-), (11/21/2011) business owners, managers and employees are covered to defend themselves and their workplace through deadly force if needed in the amended Make My Day law. The law originally provided such protection to people in their dwellings or vehicles or engaged in any lawful activity.
Lawmakers wanted to add businesses to the wording of the legislation, leaving no room for interpretation by law enforcement or others.

The law (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/SIG=1287oueo6/EXP=1327065107/**http%3A//www.oklegislature.gov/AdvancedSearchForm.aspx) states residents of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety in their homes or businesses. Anyone attempting to unlawfully enter a home or business, or who has already unlawfully entered, can be defended against by the use of physical or deadly force. It is presumed that a person or persons in such unlawful activity intend to use force or violence to obtain their objective upon unlawful entry."


Was talking just yesterday with one of my cousins who also happens to be the DA for the county I reside in about this very subject! The bad guy does not have to be "completely" inside the residence, vehicle or business at all! If they are "attempting" to unlawfully enter and you feel threatened to the point YOU fear for your life or safety, deadly force can be used!


While I have several handguns (yes,,,,,, loaded and ready for use in my home and vehicle), a loaded trusty 20 ga, short barrel pump shotgun is within quick easy reach of the bed 24/7 and #2 shot works extremely well at stopping would be intruders!

[Mike W1]

Gotta love the armchair experts! Might want to take a took at the pattern from a shotgun at short range sometime. It's not very large. And far as dragging someone back in the house - anyone that does that is opening a real can of worms. Castle Doctrine or not you'd better have a good reason to shoot another human or you could be in some deep shinola.

[Hawker]

Armchair expert or not, a quick Google of "Best Home Defense Weapon" might just surprise you with what the weapon of choice is by real experts! One example: (http://www.primermagazine.com/2008/learn/hero-training-the-best-weapons-for-home-defense)

I'll put the "pattern" of a short barrel shotgun at close range against that of a pistol any day. Couple that with the sheer knock down power, even of #9 shot at close range and there are few (if any) handguns that will come close!

Someone breaking in or attempting to break into MY home is all the reason I need here in OK!!

[REW]

All of these comments are fine.
But if the posters keep loaded guns around the house - are they ready to point the gun at another person and pull the trigger with the idea of removing their life.

If not, there should not be loaded guns in the house. Otherwise you just have a false sense of protection.

It is quite different from having a loaded gun and actually taking another persons life.

Remember, it is YOU, the person that pulled the trigger, the person that will live with its consequences for the rest of YOUR life.

Good luck and be safe
REW

[Rlcrouse]

It's easy to chamber a round in the dark, with a shotgun and if "whoever" stays in your house after hearing a shotgun being charged deserves to be shot since their intentions can't be good. It also gives "friendlies" a chance to call out.

[Badgerloader]

Smaller shot has the added advantage of limited penetration through walls. At close range, skeet/trap shot (7-1/2, 8 or 9) would create a devastating wound. There is no surgeon that is sufficiently skilled to turn hamburger back into a roast.

[Chode2235]

Gotta love the armchair experts! Might want to take a took at the pattern from a shotgun at short range sometime. It's not very large. And far as dragging someone back in the house - anyone that does that is opening a real can of worms. Castle Doctrine or not you'd better have a good reason to shoot another human or you could be in some deep shinola.

Yeah, its only 8x the size of the pin hole 9mm round.

The shotgun is much more effective, not really/only from a lethality standpoint, but also a psychological.

When someone loads a round into the chamber of a shotgun it is loud enough and distinct enough to instill a lot of fear. Also, if you fire the thing it is loud enough to ensure your neighbors hear it, and if you miss chances are that your intruder will not be around long enough for a second chance.

00 buck is certainly lethal, and a shotgun is much more effective as a home defense weapon than a handgun.

[jimmy4218]

All of these comments are fine.
But if the posters keep loaded guns around the house - are they ready to point the gun at another person and pull the trigger with the idea of removing their life.

If not, there should not be loaded guns in the house. Otherwise you just have a false sense of protection.

It is quite different from having a loaded gun and actually taking another persons life.

Remember, it is YOU, the person that pulled the trigger, the person that will live with its consequences for the rest of YOUR life.

Good luck and be safe
REW

I'd much rather deal with the death of an intruder breaking into my house, than the kidnapping/death(s) of my family members. I know in my mind that I'll be able to handle a robber's death on my conscience if I know that that person was intending harm. NO PROBLEM!

[Chode2235]

Smaller shot has the added advantage of limited penetration through walls. At close range, skeet/trap shot (7-1/2, 8 or 9) would create a devastating wound. There is no surgeon that is sufficiently skilled to turn hamburger back into a roast.


Man, it would not be good even at a longer range. I have visions of some burglar handcuffed to a table getting a couple hundred BBs out from under his skin. That would certainly teach him without killing em.

[Hawker]

Man, it would not be good even at a longer range. I have visions of some burglar handcuffed to a table getting a couple hundred BBs out from under his skin. That would certainly teach him without killing em.

At close range (within the limited confines of most homes) there won't be such thing as picking shotgun BB out from under the skin! There will be a one inch or larger hole getting larger the further the shot penetrates! Being hit with one round of 12ga, 00 buckshot would in essence be the same as being hit with 9 rounds from a 9mm.

[fetchwillie]

each and every state needs to add the "stand your ground" law. I know there are a few states that have done this and we need to get South Dakota to add this.

Don

[Mike W1]

Yeah, its only 8x the size of the pin hole 9mm round.

The shotgun is much more effective, not really/only from a lethality standpoint, but also a psychological.

When someone loads a round into the chamber of a shotgun it is loud enough and distinct enough to instill a lot of fear. Also, if you fire the thing it is loud enough to ensure your neighbors hear it, and if you miss chances are that your intruder will not be around long enough for a second chance.

00 buck is certainly lethal, and a shotgun is much more effective as a home defense weapon than a handgun.

The point is the shotgun is still a small pattern and has to be aimed. It is superior in lethal effect for sure and also much easier to have it taken away from you if you're roaming around looking for the intruder who's already used to the dark. And BTW ever turn on one of those night bright flashlights after you've been asleep? Doesn't do a lot for your vision for a bit either.

My main peeve with the post was the part about moving the injured/dead back into the house. You have then put yourself into hot water.

[MK cant log]

My main peeve with the post was the part about moving the injured/dead back into the house. You have then put yourself into hot water.

I think a good argument could be made that the shotgun blast knocked the criminal back out the door.

Luckily, in this state, you don't have to worry about the inside/outside BS. You're within your rights to shoot someone in your driveway stealing your car or truck.

[AllenW]

I think more important than what you use, is how you use it.

I somehow doubt that someone kicking in the back door and knows your home is going to give you time to get your weapon out of a safe, lock box, whatever, and then give you time to rack the slide, there by scaring the doo doo out of them..what I think would happen is you'd wake up to something not right, maybe a noise, yelling, some sort of disturbance and you have seconds to arm yourself, wake up enough to know who's coming your way and react.

In that case, for me anyway, a revolver is the better choice, less firepower, but still deadly.

Also should you have no other alternative than to shoot someone and they do fall out a window, door, whatever, leave them there.
That was told to me by every cop and/or gun class I've taken or talked to.

Lots of opinions on protecting your self and family, you have to find the one that works for you..IMHO

Always a good disscussion as long as it remains civil..:)

Al

[Noah Cantell]

The practical shooting distance inside a residence - room to room - or - down a hallway - is at most 30 feet. A 12 gauge shotgun with high brass #7's will produce a 8-10" spread at that distance - less at lesser distances. It too will go through walls. As with hunting, be mindful of what is beyond your target.

Unless you are awake during a break-in don't expect to have your wits and wide awake attitude about you. As a pre-warning, best thing is to get loud alarms, security lights/motion detectors, and a barking dog(s). Chances are perps won't go near your house if you have these. If they do come in, you'll be better prepared.

More good advice is to have your family trained on "Battle Stations" if an intruder is in the house. You don't want a family member dumb enough to wander through the house in the dark to see what's up, and then you accidentally shooting the wrong target.

[bobk]

Luckily, in this state, you don't have to worry about the inside/outside BS. You're within your rights to shoot someone in your driveway stealing your car or truck.[/quote]

What state are you in? Never heard of such a thing.
Bob

[Juls]

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2012/january/368844/82-year-old-Daytona-Beach-homeowner-kills-masked-man-trying-to-break-in

Police said an intruder was shot and killed after trying to break into a 82-year-old man's home early Thursday.
According to police, the homeowner, Charles Robbins, 82, awoke around 6 a.m. to find a man trying to enter his home, near Woodland Avenue and A1A (http://www.cfnews13.com/maps?from=A1A%20and%20Woodland%20Ave%20Daytona%20B each%20FL&to=A1A%20and%20Woodland%20Ave%20Daytona%20Beach%20 FL).
Robbins said the intruder was wearing a ski mask, and had a hammer and a screwdriver. So he grabbed his World War II Russian handgun and shot the man through his door, and then called 911.
When police arrived, they said they found the suspect, 24-year-old Tyler Orshoski, dead in the front yard.
Police said they believe Orshoski was behind several recent burglaries in the same neighborhood.
"The homeowner did something the criminal justice system couldn't do with this guy," said Daytona Beach police Chief Mike Chitwood. "We're familiar with the burglar. He put him out of business."
Chitwood said the homeowner was within his rights to shoot the intruder, because he believed his life was in danger.
Robbins says he would do it again if he had to.
"Oh yeah, in a nano second," he said. "Better nobody try to break into my house or they'll get the same thing he did.”
Robbins says his neighbors should arm themselves as well and shoot anyone who tries to break into their homes.
Neighbors in the Beachside neighborhood said it was not the first time a fellow homeowner was forced to defend himself.
Just last year a suspect tried breaking into a home down the street from Robbins.
In that case, the suspect was shot and crawled to neighbor Dave Hill's home.
"Twenty four years old, he died in my arms, and that was the first one. Then, there's one about four blocks down and this the third one now," described Hill.
Homeowners living directly across from Robbins said they were not armed yet, but were thinking of buying a firearm after what happened.

[Suzuki]

Everyone has to make their own decision however I am not willing to give up the advantage of suprise by loudly racking in a shell while the perp quite possibly is already pointing his loaded weapon at me. There are other ways to determine if its a friendly while pointing your loaded weapon at them.

[3M TA3]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/01/a-weeks-worth-of-self-defense.php

Buy a pistol, get a permit, practice at the range. When someone breaks in, nothing beats a shotgun

I think the Taurus Judge comes close when loaded with .410 00 buck shot and 45 cal. every other round.

[3M TA3]

All of these comments are fine.
But if the posters keep loaded guns around the house - are they ready to point the gun at another person and pull the trigger with the idea of removing their life.

If not, there should not be loaded guns in the house. Otherwise you just have a false sense of protection.

It is quite different from having a loaded gun and actually taking another persons life.

Remember, it is YOU, the person that pulled the trigger, the person that will live with its consequences for the rest of YOUR life.

Good luck and be safe
REW

The US Government has done a fine job however, training many to shoot with deadly force. I'm betting millions of us.

[Big Tyee]

I think the Taurus Judge comes close when loaded with .410 00 buck shot and 45 cal. every other round.
I think S&W came out with the Governor. 410 45 6 round cylinder. I believe the Judge is 5 rounds is that right?